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  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 26, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    "The BCS is a flash in the pan like say the USFL for example. Quick Chris B, who won the last USFL football championship??"

    How is the BCS a flash in the pan? Please take a look at which conferences still have automatic access to the high dollar "former" BCS bowl games. Please also take a look at the revenue distribution for the new format. There is absolutely no difference here with the old system.

    BYU may be able to stay competitive for the term of the ESPN contract but, the disparity will be too much to stay relevant longer term.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 26, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    "Chris B

    Salt Lake City, UT

    According to 247Sports, of the top 7 2014 recruits from Utah, 1 has picked Michigan, 3 have picked Utah, and 0 have picked byu.

    I wonder if it has something to do with the fact Bronco hasn't RECRUITED and gotten even one player drafted."

    Looks like one less player Whittingham will have drafted, bro

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    The BCS is a flash in the pan like say the USFL for example. Quick Chris B, who won the last USFL football championship??

    Haha...that's what I thought. That's already happened to the "storied" Utes too...long forgotten.

    Now quick, who won the NCAA national football championship in 1984? You know that one Don't yahoo? Haha

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    Chris B

    Glad to hear your vast "knowledge" on what it takes to be a BCS bowl "champion". I'm sure everyone here is very impressed (not). It's like a little bro beating big bro 1 out of 50 games at driveway basketball and then gloating about it for years. Everybody has to have something to hang on to I guess. When Utah wins a national football championship let us know. Til then your "how to win a BCS bowl game" rant is a bit weak. Utah has had its 15 minutes of fame. Hang on tight brother!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 25, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Byufanforlife:

    "I love how Chris b keeps talking about the BCS and bragging about utah going to BCS bowl games doesn't he realize that the BCS will be gone in 2014"

    The "BCS" will be gone in 2014, but the Rose, Sugar, and Orange Bowls will NOT! So the BOWLS will still be there.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 25, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    "I love how Chris b keeps talking about the BCS and bragging about utah going to BCS bowl games doesn't he realize that the BCS will be gone in 2014"

    He's a frustrated BYU fan taking it out on other BYU fans. The Big 12 not coming to fruition (at least yet) is driving him nuts.

    Also, the BCS is not gone. There are five conferences with automatic inclusion and a selection committee tasked with ensuring no team from outside of those five get into the playoff.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    to sammyg

    "What's a Ute fan to do when he knows his team will NEVER out recruit the likes of USC, Oregon, Stanford and others in their conference."

    The Utes don't need to out-recruit just need to recruit as well as the aforementioned. Stanford is its way back to mediocrity IMO.

    They have put a scare into the Trojans the past 2 yrs w/ inferior talent. I'm more worried about Smiths running out of Coke than I am about Utah Utes football.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 24, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    ObsessiveCompulsiveCoug:

    It's funny that you actually take the time to count the "number" of comments. How very "Rainman" of you. I guess you didn't notice that most of my comments are in response to others. Ergo, the more you guys respond to me, the more I respond back. I comment a lot on your articles because your fans are obsessed with my opinion. I don't know what my U article to Y article comment ration is, but then neither do you. You're just being all frantic and emotional.

    "Perhaps their [sic] secret admirers of the Y."

    That sort of "reverse psychology" only works on the unintelligent, impressionable types. Fail.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    Sounds like a complete athlete to me. One of the greatest things about College Football is the anticipation. Outside of the SEC winning the National Championship nearly every year, you never know whats going to happen.

    It is funny that I see more comments from Naval and ChrisB on Y articles than U articles. Perhaps their secret admirers of the Y.

    Oh and Chris B. Whit and his staff do the recruiting, coaching and the players do the playing. Because your a fan doesn't justify the frequent usage of "we" to describe a fans favorite teams accomplishment. I didn't know fans were guaranteed membership in conferences as well.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    @NavalVet

    In what way is that empirical evidence that BYU as an organization is envious of Utah? It looks to me like Holmoe is trying to mitigate the feelings of BYU fans, but in no way there did he say "Gosh, I wish we were in Utah's position", or "Wow, Utah is in the PAC 12, I wish we were them".

    In fact, if anything, with the "We can't worry about them" line, Holmoe's basically saying "I could care less about Utah and what's going on with that school."

    I won't argue that there are BYU FANS who are envious of Utah's position (I can honestly say that I am not one, I really like BYU as an independent) but BYU as an organization? They could care less.

    BYU's fine. They will continue to be relevant, and will continue to be the dominant sports program in the state.

    I know that stings, but the truth hurts sometimes.

    Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:21 p.m.

    Marked it Down:

    "Why does Bronco have more Top 25 finishes (5), than Kyle (3)?"

    Because the pollsters put a lot more weight in W/L records than SOS, and the cougars win more games on account of their weaker SOS. It's the propensity of schools like the Indy-WACers to schedule down and subsequently back into the final polls that led Michigan St. A.D. Mark Hollis to call for changes once the BCS system concludes after the 2013 season. He said...

    "It would be my desire to have strength of schedule play a much more significant role than it does now, which is there's no role for strength of schedule...It's how many wins you get, not who you play."

    Kyle > roscoe

    U > Y

    Pac-12 > Indy-WACey irrelevance

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    "Please provide any empirical evidence that U may have that shows that BYU as an institution is envious of these schools. If U can't, then that must mean U are being 'frantic and emotional', which we all know U would never be."

    I'm not sure if the pro-cougar moderators here will permit it, but here are a couple of quotes from Tom Holmoe that had been printed right here in the DNews...

    "We can't say, 'woe is me'...I understand how disappointed people were that they [Utah] got in the Pac-12 and we're not. We still have to be as good as we can. We can't worry about them..."

    -- and --

    "Utah is always the school they talk about [in the Pac-10]. It would always frustrate BYU fans. We were just kind of looking at where do we go from here?"

    And that's not to mention all the desperate, frantic emotional spewing from your fanbase about Utah's promotion to an elite level, while you're still WACish and mid-majorey.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Feb. 23, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    Please don't be mad to each other. There is so much hate in the world. Let's be friends and not add to it. Thanks!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    @AZUTE1 "2-Stars just simply don't cut it when it comes to building-up the requisite depth for such an endeavor."

    Apparently 4-star recruits don't cut it either, since with the increase in those "amazing" 4-star recruits Utah has garnered over the last three years, Utah's record has steadily gone down.

    Not a good trend, nor is it looking good for U this year. No John White IV, no Star, D-line has to get replaced, horrible LB's...and trailer-park football facilities.

    Yikes. That's gotta be rough.

    On the bright side, at least U have been able to enjoy a stellar basketball season...4 more wins than last season, woohoo! Coach K just needs to keep scheduling Cal Poly Technical High School and U will be set!

    :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "The BIG difference was that Lavell never played a rigorous Pac-12 schedule either, so your argument was weak."

    Lots of whiny excuses.

    Your argument is even weaker because Kyle has never beaten a single PAC 12 team with a winning record and he LOST to a team that LOST 10 games.

    If Utah was even a tenth as good as Utah fans like to pretend they are,

    Why hasn't Utah finished in the AP Top 25 more than 5 times in their entire history?

    Why does Bronco have more Top 25 finishes (5), than Kyle (3)?

    Why does Bronco have more Top 15 finishes (3), than Kyle (1)?

    Why does Bronco have more undefeated conference championships (2), than Kyle (1)?

    Kyle has had only ONE really good year, and little else.

    Utah has sunk to the bottom of the PAC 12, right where many BYU fans predicted they'd end up in their new big boy conference, and now the only thing Utah fans can do is whine about how tough their schedule is.

    Were Colorado(3-10) or that WAC team that the mighty weak PAC 12 Utes lost to really that "tough"?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    Another 2-Star recruit for byu? Didn't they just set a record for the most 2-Stars in a single recruiting class? It's no wonder Bronco never has a player drafted.

    This season will be the absolute closest byu will come to playing week in, week out grind of a schedule like UTAH has the past 2 seasons....2-Stars just simply don't cut it when it comes to building-up the requisite depth for such an endeavor.

    Losses mounted this last season, but nothing like they will this upcoming season....Having predominately 2-Star recruits just simply won't cut it....Bronco s/b polishing his surfboard right now, as his days are obviously numbered, unfortunately....Because he's money for guaranteeing a UTAH victory, annually.

    BTW, Van Noy lost everybody around him from this last season....Bronco thinks replacing them w/a bunch of 2-Stars is the proper course of action?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    Suffer the poor Utesies. What's a Ute fan to do when he knows his team will NEVER out recruit the likes of USC, Oregon, Stanford and others in their conference.

    Coming on to these BYU recruiting articles and claiming some recruiting superiority over BYU speaks volumes of the dismal outlook for the kids on the hill.

    The only game the Utes care about is still BYU when it's pretty obvious that they will never get past .500 in their own conference.

    Is it still hurting having stayed home for the holidays and being beat by a WAC team???

    I agree with Ted H., I get a lot of joy seeing you guys suffer so much.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Utah signed 4-star WR Andre Lewis in 2013. In 2011, our 1st year of Pac-12 recruiting, we signed two 4-star recruits, and in 2012, we signed five. So that's 10 4-star recruits over the past 3 recruiting seasons"

    First off, if U signed one 4-star last year, 2 in 2011, and five in 2012, that's 8 total 4-stars in the past 3 recruiting seasons, not 10 (classic Ute math). Second, that first year after your then best recruiting class ever, U went 8-5. Last year, after your official "best" recruiting class ever, U went 5-7.

    Glad to see all of those 4-stars are helping U. They'd better step it up this year, since U have lost 90% of your offense in John White IV and 3/4 of your D-line, which was the strength of your D last season.

    Not looking good for U. Add that to the trailer-park football facilities and it's no wonder that we keep seeing U on BYU boards in full meltdown mode.

    Poor guy.

    Go Cougars!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    @ JmThms

    "Their birkenstock bigotry excluded BYU, a better fit than U of U in every way except secular bigotry."

    Wrong. Hard to argue with a graduate emphasis that includes a medical school and cancer research. not to mention 2 BCS bowls. You are not always the victim. Sometimes somebody else just happens to be a better fit for a certain position.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 22, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    bballjunkie:

    "Also how many 4 and 5 star guys knocked down the door at the U in this years class...0,"

    Wrong. Utah signed 4-star WR Andre Lewis in 2013. In 2011, our 1st year of Pac-12 recruiting, we signed two 4-star recruits, and in 2012, we signed five. So that's 10 4-star recruits over the past 3 recruiting seasons...or 150% MORE than what our little brothers in WACistan had been able to do over that same period of time. And for what it's worth, as of now, Utah had already received a "solid verbal" from 4-star OT Jackson Barton (Brighton H.S.) for our 2014 class.

    Conversely, your WACish recruiting garnered had garnered you one 4-star in 2011, two in 2012, and one in 2013, for a grand total of.....4. How mid-majorey.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Uh...no! You envy Utah for our BCS bowls and Pac-12 membership, you envy TCU for their BCS bowls and their Big 12 membership, and you envy Boise St. for their BCS bowls and their MWC membership. Haha!"

    Please provide any empirical evidence that U may have that shows that BYU as an institution is envious of these schools. If U can't, then that must mean U are being 'frantic and emotional', which we all know U would never be.

    I don't speak for BYU, but as a BYU fan, I can say I most certainly am not envious of any of those teams, and especially not of Utah, their losing season, no bowl game, and their trailer-park football facilities.

    That's about as little-brotherish and WAC-ish as it gets.

    Well, that, and the fact that U constantly come on to BYU boards, stomping your feet and citing subjective recruiting rankings to make us think that U are now relevant.

    Lol, poor guy. The whole losing season and no bowl game seems to have U in full meltdown mode.

    But cheer up, there's always Runnin' Ute basketball to...oh, wait a sec.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    @GO_COUGARS "'Your BCS wins are moot! But we have Outland trophies! Jealous much?!'
    Yeah this is a good example of why people have so much respect for us coug fans."

    Yes, since heaven forbid that a BYU fan actually defends their school and responds to obnoxious BYU haters like yourself in a similar fashion (roll my eyes).

    U all can dish it out, but can't take it, eh? So sad.

    Go Cougars!

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    Naval,
    Look at the latest history of "star" recruits and success in the pac 12, really impressed with all the 4 and 5 star guys. Also how many 4 and 5 star guys knocked down the door at the U in this years class...0, pac 12 is doing great things for the U. Oh by the way hows that basketball team doing?

  • JmThms Henderson, NV
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Chris B

    Yea, I also have to comment about your "Its just not the approach Nick Saban, Les Miles, Mack Brown, Chris Peterson, Kyle Whittingham, and other coaches with BCS bowl wins take."

    That of course is hilarious. You try really, really hard to find a separation between Utah and BYU that is positive for Utah. The PAC did it for you by default. Their birkenstock bigotry excluded BYU, a better fit than U of U in every way except secular bigotry.The one point I might concur with is that those coaches can, and do, take athletes that BYU wouldn't touch. For academic and moral reasons. Good luck to you all going forward. You had a good run a few years back but it appears that sustaining excellence through the years is something that Utah will have difficulty with, unlike programs with better bones, such as BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 21, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "LaVell NEVER went from Top 5 to bowl no show in such a short period of time, and unlike Whittingham's 5-7 LOSING season, 6-6 is not a losing season."

    There's not much separation between a 5-7 and 6-6 team. The BIG difference was that Lavell never played a rigorous Pac-12 schedule either, so your argument was weak.

    Also weak was your position that Lavell never went from a Top 5 bowl to no show, since Lavell never went to a Top 5 bowl. Furthermore, the top bowl Lavell DID play in was the Cotton Bowl following the '96 season, and he followed THAT season up with a '97 loss to their big brother on the Hill...

    ...and NO BOWL!

    Bluto:

    "BYU envies nobody."

    Uh...no! You envy Utah for our BCS bowls and Pac-12 membership, you envy TCU for their BCS bowls and their Big 12 membership, and you envy Boise St. for their BCS bowls and their...

    ...MWC membership. Haha!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    LaVell never played a schedule even remotely comparable to the ones Utah has played the past two seasons. Who knows if his W/L record would have dropped like Utah's did, but I think there would be some decrease in wins per season.

    @ Worf

    Utah St. went 2-1 against in-state teams as well.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    Another absolutely domination player for us to dominate with. This class is shaping up to be so great.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 21, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    chrissy - I forget how many NC has the PACxx won in the BCS era? I forget where did Utah's football, M basketball, W basketball and baseball finsh? Hint the football team didn't get to bowl, but they were the best of the four.

    I love watching BYU's volleyball team who is one of the top in the nation, rugby also one of the top in the nation, W soccer gave North Carolina all they could handle in the Great Eight. M basketball has been dancing for six straight years, the football team has gone bowling eight years in a row. I love cheering for winners.

    navy - Will U still be a whit fan when U are sitting home in December again next year?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 21, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    @Naval, I am not typical anything other than a fan cheering for his OWN TEAM. Why have you made 5 posts on a BYU article?

    I like most Navy vets btw. Just think you have better things to do with your time. Like cheer for your own team.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    Navel, EastCoast said he comments and reads because he attended BYU. I see no hypocrisy there. Only reading troubles for some.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    navel vet

    It's laughable that a BYU-obsessed hater who's commented on every BYU recruiting article for several years should be calling out a BYU fan for commenting on a BYU recruiting article.

    You literally spend more time trying to minimize EVERY BYU recruit than you do commenting on Utah recruits.

    Frantically and emotionally jealous much!

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    "Your BCS wins are moot! But we have Outland trophies! Jealous much?!"

    Yeah this is a good example of why people have so much respect for us coug fans.

    GO COUGARS!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 21, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    Not even twenty five percent of five star high school players ever make it four years in college.

    At sixteen years old, you can't predict what an athlete will do.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Whittingham has been locked in continuous downward spiral since 2008, LaVell NEVER went from Top 5 to bowl no show in such a short period of time, and unlike Whittingham's 5-7 LOSING season, 6-6 is not a losing season.

    As for BCS bowls:

    As soon as the playoffs start, BCS bowls will become nothing more than the NIT of football; a consolation prize for teams that weren't good enough to get into the Big Dance - discussions about expanding the playoffs to 8 teams are already happening and the first playoff is still 2 years out.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    Navel and ChrisB, you seem agitated. I just wanted to let you know how happy it makes me that BYU bothers you. I love knowing that your hatred for BYU consumes much of your days. Everytime I hear anything about BYU, or see BYU on tv, I know that enrages you. And that makes me smile. Your sadness and obsession regarding all things byu brings me indescribable joy. Thanks for being upset. It brightens my day knowing how much byu sports is able to impact your emotional well being. Thanks friends.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    @Frantic and Emotional Naval Lint

    1....6-6 is not a losing record. Booyah!

    2....BYU envies nobody. That's your thing.

    3....The two starting QB's in the Super Bowl were from those Elite-Football-Factories, Deleware and Nevada. Ouch...that one must really sting. Poor Alex.

    Utah still has never had a starting QB in a Superbowl.

    And yes Naval the BCS is obsolete. There goes Utah's only achievements.
    2 BCS games the history books will ignore.

    Heismans and Outlands live on, see if your commuter school can get one of those.
    Booyah!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug:

    "You live in PA and you actually take the time to read AND comment on BYU recruiting articles."

    ...said the Indy-WACer living in CT taking the time to read AND comment on the very same recruiting article. Typical hypocritical coug.

    Neither the Philadelphia Inquirer, nor the Daily Metro cover football in Utah, so yes, I read the SLTrib and DNews for Sports.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    @Naval Vet,

    Just tell me:
    1- What being in a BCS conference has done for Utah the last 2 years
    2- Why do you care so much about what BYU does?

    I'm just amazed that an article of this sort seems to arouse the rage of the Utes, given that they are now in a higher level and everything.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    @Naval Vet,

    Really?? You live in PA and you actually take the time to read AND comment on BYU recruiting articles. Not once but many times. Isn't there anything else to do in good ole' PA? I can understand Chris B, who lives with his parents in Salt Lake, but we have so many sports teams on the East Coast to keep us occupied. I follow BYU because it's my Alma Mater. Why do you follow them?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 21, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    Wow. Poor Utes. They just always think that everything about BYU is about Utah too. They talk about getting to another level and being in an exclusive class, but they make half (or more) of the posts on many BYU stories. Apparently the ute fans haven't caught on that when you move up to "1st class" you don't have to worry about the people in the back.

    Must be insecurity or an inferiority complex...

    I've never so many (repeat) posts by another group of fans in an article about a recruit. Sheesh!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 21, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Bluto:

    "also....BCS wins have been rendered moot."

    Actually, the BCS is STILL the apex of college football. The BCS doesn't die until AFTER 2013. And even THEN, those schools outside of the Big East who were listed among the 2013 BCS, will STILL be listed among the elite of college football with the inside track to the playoffs, whereas the Big East and the rest of the mid-majors will be on the outside looking in. And since the cougars aren't in a conference, the Y will actually be envying THEM.

    So essentially, it's been the Y who had been rendered moot.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 21, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Bluto:

    "Your Coach of the Year just posted a losing season, trending downward, how many do that? Lavell didn't."

    Lavell posted a 6-6 record his final season in WACistan. So yeah, Lavell did. And so did Mack Brown...back in 2010. He went 5-7 that year.

    "So, your point is....?"

    MY point? What was YOURS? Are you suggesting that 2-star athletes have a better track record of playing at the highest levels in both college and the pros than 3-, 4-, and 5-star athletes? If so, take the 50 highest paid pros in the NFL and compare them to their high school recruitment rating and see what percentage of them were 2-stars. I hadn't done the research on that, but I'm willing to bet that the 2-star recruits would represent the smallest group.

    The smallest group. THAT would be MY point. So what was YOURS?

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    Joke of the day is a coach that is so disorganized that he's got THREE Offensive Coordinators on his staff.

    Waiting with baited breath for the final two Offensive Coordinators to be announced.

    - Official Offensive Coordinator - hired to clean up the mess
    - Demoted Offensive Coodinator apprentice - 109th in the nation
    - Passing Game Offensive Coordinator - 100th in the nation
    - Rushing Game Offensive Coordinator (TBD) - 93rd in the nation
    - Scoring Game Offensive Coordinator (TBD) - 75th in the nation

  • Utes-Best Lil Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    Looks like the Utah trolls are once again trying convince themselves that losing another recruit to BYU is a good thing.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    crispy

    Of Nick Saban, Les Miles, Mack Brown, Chris Peterson, and Kyle Whittingham, which one finished with a losing record and has seen his program steadily decline for the last 5 seasons?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    No doubt about it.

    BYU will continue being the state champions of Utah. The only Utah football team with an in-state record of over 500, and the most wins in basketball.

    Everything else is just talk.

  • Byufanforlife Pacific Grove, CA
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    I love how Chris b keeps talking about the BCS and bragging about utah going to BCS bowl games doesn't he realize that the BCS will be gone in 2014

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Bluto,

    Whittinham has recruited players that were drafted
    Spurrier has recruited players that were drafted
    Saban has recruited players that were drafted
    Peterson has recruited players that were drafted
    Miles has recruited players that were drafted
    Mack Brown has recruited players that were drafted
    Babo Sweeney has recruited players that were drafted
    Bob Stoops has recruited players that were drafted
    Dennis Ericson has recruited players that were drafted

    Bronco has NOT recruited players that were drafted.

    See a difference?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    Out of the woodwork crawl the Utah trolls every time a new recruit commits to BYU.

    crispy and navel must buy Dramamine by the truckload to recover from all of their jealous spinning.

    ------

    Zac is going to be a stud; looking forward to seeing him and his brother playing for BYU.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Your Coach of the Year just posted a losing season, trending downward, how many do that? Lavell didn't.

    And Whitt is headed for more just like it, as far as eyes can see.

    Pitta just won a Super Bowl Ring and scored a touchdown to boot.
    He was a walk-on.

    and

    Eric Weddle (Mormon convert) has a 50 million dollar NFL contract, he's another one of your despised 2-star athletes..

    So, your point is....?

    @Chrissy B

    Since Bronco arrived at BYU....
    BYU has had 26 players sign NFL contracts.
    His guys, which he coached and mentored.

    also....
    BCS wins have been rendered moot.

    What is not moot, are Heisman and Outland trophies, among BYU's 23 National Award winners in Football.

    Where is your Hardware, Ute fan?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    @Down Under,

    You do know we beat you in recruiting. Again. Right?

    Go ahead and tell yourselves ratings dont matter. Saban, Miles, Spurrier would disagree with you.

    Again. We beat you.

    And yes, its due to our wondering BCS Conference of Championshp membership partly.

    That, and the fact that Whittingham has recruited and had 20 guys drafted. Whereas Bronco has 0.

  • Aunt Becca Afton, WY
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Gentlemen -
    I think we need more kids coming out of high school who go with their gut, (i.e. how they felt), instead of whoever wined and dined them the most! Utah is lucky to have several great schools that not only offer a great education to their students, but also great sports programs for us all to enjoy! I graduated from the University of Utah, but I'll be cheering on Zac, or any kid for that matter, who dares to do what he "feels" is right! Zac is not only a great athlete, he's an awesome young man, with huge possibilities that go way beyond college football.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    BYU will be just fine in the recruiting wars. Utah was supposed to had a solid recruiting year last year given that they were now in the mighty PAC10.2. DIdn't pan out then and will not pan out next year either. Who cares how you recruit when you can't compete. Utah b it off more than they could chew. BYU coaches know how to get the most out of their recruits even if they are not 4 star.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    It's only a matter of time now before Dawe gets that coveted "2-star" designation from Rivals, so he could finally fall into the cougars' mold of unheralded mediocrity.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    Tom in CA:

    "Joke of the day: Include Whittingham in the same company as Nick Saban, Les Miles, Mack Brown, Chris Peterson."

    I don't get the joke. Between Saban, Miles, Brown, and Peterson, which of the 4 hadn't yet joined Whittingham as a "National Coach of the Year" award recipient? And hadn't all of those coaches coached in a BCS bowl?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    I doubt BYU will miss Parker too much given the pipeline of players coming in, and most likely he (assuming he is that good) will be "one and done" anyway at Duke - going on to the NBA after a year, maybe two.

    As it turns out - Manti Teo may have caused some "LDS controversy" if he had played for the Y - with the phantom girl friend fiasco. No love lost there, either.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    @soonerute

    Now days it seems that anytime any kid commits to go anywhere it is "news". If he'd committed to utah it would have been "news" as well. They all get reported because recruting has evolved to the point that people are interested in it and follow it. Frankly as a utah "fan" you should know this as utah "fans" live and die by that stuff. Their entire self worth is tied up into what committments utah gets and how many "stars" they have.

    I have seen this kid play and he looks like a pretty good player but then I am not a D1 coach so I don't claim to really know on that level, I leave that youtube analysis for your fellow utah "fans" to engage in and enlighten all the rest of us as to who is good and who isn't. My guess is that if he keeps his committment to BYU it won't matter how many stars he is assigned he will still be a low level recruit, but if he decommitts and decides to go to utah he will then be a great recruit regardless of how many stars is assigned.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    RE: SoonerUte

    "LDS athlete decides to go to BYU. How is this news? Isn't that a gimme?
    I mean, unless you are on the level of Jabari Parker and Manti T'eo..."

    I agree that it is not unusual for good (and sometime great) LDS athletes to choose BYU. However, while it is rare for BYU to snatch someone at the level of Parker and Te'o, it does occasionally happen. Olsen, Heaps, Emery, and Mika are all top tier recruits that have signed with BYU in the last few years.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    LDS athlete decides to go to BYU. How is this news? Isn't that a gimme?
    I mean, unless you are on the level of Jabari Parker and Manti T'eo...

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Ken, I guess time will tell, but just looking at the past year, BYU went to a Bowl game while u sat on the couch and sulked. Just keep telling yourself that being in a conference and finishing at the bottom of the pile is better than going bowling. Better yet, try telling that to all those recruits you are after. What a joke. There are many things that a young man looks at in selecting a school to play for and sitting at home tends to depress most everyone. Plus looking at all the awards a school has in their trophy case brings thoughts of really playing for a special school, but when your school just doesn't have a trophy case....then I guess you could show them around campus and keep changing the subject about where the school is headed.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    Ken

    What "party" are you talking about?

    The 4-team playoff will quickly expand to 8-teams, so any team with a decent schedule that finishes in the Top 8 will be invited to the only "party" that matters - the national championship playoff.

    Since BYU has a 35-year history of being a perennial Top 25 team (EIGHTEEN Top 25 finishes), it's much more likely that BYU will be invited to the party than a team that's only cracked the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history.

    As an Independent, BYU is already 1 for 2 in cracking the Top 25.
    As a "big boy", Utah still hasn't cracked the Top 25

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    Tom, it will take time for Utah to move from bottom to top of the pile. How do you think byu will get to the tip of the pile when you weren't even invited to come to the party?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 21, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Chris B -

    Keep up your mindless drivel as your little teams up north continue to wallow on the bottom of the pile.

    Joke of the day:

    Include Whittingham in the same company as Nick Saban, Les Miles, Mack Brown, Chris Peterson.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    According to 247Sports, of the top 7 2014 recruits from Utah, 1 has picked Michigan, 3 have picked Utah, and 0 have picked byu.

    I wonder if it has something to do with the fact Bronco hasn't RECRUITED and gotten even one player drafted.

    A couple of Crowton recruits were drafted. But bronco, 8 years later, still sitting on that big ZERO.

    I wonder if recruits know this?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    “It’s mostly about the spirit I felt every time I’m down there. Other schools just don’t have that same feeling for me"

    Sounds like you made the right decision.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting that feel good and warm and fuzzy experience.

    Its just not the approach Nick Saban, Les Miles, Mack Brown, Chris Peterson, Kyle Whittingham, and other coaches with BCS bowl wins take.

    Again, nothing wrong. Just different.

    To each their own. I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for at byu.

    Good luck.