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Published: Thursday, Feb. 21 2013 10:30 a.m. MST

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Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Y Grad / Y Dad

Well said. I think we can all agree that as of right now, both Utah and BYU, have reached a place where a very special season is possible if either of them manage to win 10 or 11 games in the regular season.

Springville, UT

WAC (USU) paddled my Utes

BYU playing in any bowl > couch potato bowl and potato chips

It still hurts.

Salt Lake City, Utah


"We all know the Y is extremely well funded."

BYU's athletic programs are funded entirely by donations from boosters and revenue generated by ticket sales, television rights, etc.

There are plenty of schools receiving big boy conference money who have been mired at the bottom of big boy conferences for decades with only brief flashes of brilliance - Duke, Northwestern, Iowa St, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Washington St. in football are just a few examples.

Don't assume that big boy money will ever buy U a successful sports program in any sport.

Utah's "national championships" are a joke as far as the men are concerned; they've never won one.

10 of them are in the coed sport of Skiing, where Denver and Colorado are virtually the only competition the Utes ever face.

10 came in Women's Gymnastics.

1 wasn't even a national championship; it was an NCAA tournament championship won when the NCAA tourney was the little brother of the NIT and the rest of the country was busy fighting a world war and the few teams still playing basketball were composed of freshmen and sophomores.

Salt Lake City, Utah

Since when is an NCAA tournament a requirement for winning a National Championship?

Park City, UT


Despite your delusional spin, BYU has dominated U in men's national championships, and in across the board conference championships and national rankings.

The Directors' Cup is an award given annually by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics to the colleges and universities in the United States with the most success in collegiate athletics.

Of the 154 schools ranked in the Director's Cup Standings for the just completed Fall 2012 sports:

BYU finished #13.

8 of the 9 WCC schools were ranked.

11 of the 12 PAC-12 schools were ranked.

Utah was UNRANKED because the Utes didn't earn a single point in any sport - NOT atypical.

The Utes are all talk, but no walk when it comes to overall athletic success.

In your first two years in the PAC 12, you've finished dead last or next to last in almost every men's sport you've competed in. The Red Rocks are the only team on campus that's even competitive in the PAC 12, let alone nationally.

Park City, UT


Even when they're not winning championships, BYU still shows they're very competitive in numerous sports every year.

Evidence of BYU's continued across the board athletic success from the headlines in today's D-News:

- BYU swimming: men's 200 free relay team sets new meet and school record on day 2

- BYU swimming: men in first and women in third after day 3 at MPSF meet

- BYU track: Weirich wins pole vault at MPSF Championships

- BYU volleyball: No. 2 BYU sweeps No. 14 Pacific at home

- BYU golf: Blair and Keiley lead Cougars to third place finish at the John Burns Intercollegiate

- BYU baseball: No. 2 LSU was on the ropes twice Thursday night against BYU’s baseball team, but escaped with a 6-5 victory

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Two For Flinching

Here's a suggestion:

Instead of beating your chest about simply being in the PAC 12, why don't U wait until you've actually accomplished something in the PAC 12?

As much as Utah fan's like to minimize BYU's accomplishments, at least the Cougars managed to crack the Top 25 and win two bowl games in their first two years of Independence.

That dwarfs what the Utes have accomplished in their first two years in the PAC 12.

Anybody who tries to spin that finishing unranked or with a losing season is BETTER, is just blowing smoke.

Salt Lake City, UT

It's too bad the Utes don't have a men's volleyball team; that would be a fun sport for the Utes to compete against the Cougars.

scenic view
Baltimore, MD

If Kyle hadn't wasted so much money hiring three offensive coordinators, maybe the Utes could have afforded adding men's volleyball.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Just the FAX

All I have said in regards to PAC-12 membership is that it has given Utah a chance to improve all of its athletic teams. And that conf. affiliation that comes with a tv deal like the PAC has is a better choice than not having those luxuries. Do you disagree with any of that?

If you want to pat yourself on the back for tearing apart Idaho and Idaho St. every season, so be it. But deep down you know that winning with a harder schedule is far more fulfilling. Utah is struggling right now, but if/when the Utes have a break through season it will be very special.

Orem, UT

Two For Flinching

Gotta love the SOS hyperbole smack that U throw out knowing full well that BYU's schedule in 2013 is every bit as hard as Utah's.

Utah fans keep bragging about their schedule, when the reality is, schedule strength doesn't mean diddly IF U DON'T WIN!

The Utes haven't beaten a PAC 12 team with a winning record in two years in the conference, and against Top 25 teams last season, BYU did better than U:

BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams and finished 1-4(20%) with three of BYU's losses coming on the road by a total of TEN points.

Utah played TWO Top 25 teams and finished 0-2(0%) by a total of TWENTY points.

Average score vs Top 25 Teams

BYU - 13-18 minus 5 points
Utah - 13-24 minus 11 points

With more "advantages" Utah has been less successful.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ BlueCoug

If you read the last sentence in my previous post you'll notice that I agree with you that Utah needs to win more conference games.

The PAC-12 has provided Utah with many great advantages, but it's still too early in the process to see those manifested on the field. Most of the recruits are not getting significant reps yet and Utah is still not getting a full share of the money. It is a process and it will take time.

Provo, UT

@WACPaddingOurSchedule "Right! Who would want to be in the situation of Kansas, Duke or Indiana? You know, the elite of college basketball with multiple NCAA basketball championships. The other schools you mentioned have won titles in other sports as well."

So has BYU, and that's without BCS conference membership (which doesn't apply to NCAA basketball anyway).

My point was, BYU has won national titles in most all sports without having had to be in a BCS conference. BYU's basketball program is fantastic, obviously not up to par with Kansas, Duke, or Indiana, but definitely better than Iowa, Texas Tech, Maryland, etc...all members of the major conferences.

BYU is fine where it's at. The Cougars don't need to be in a "big" conference to be relevant on a national scale. Even in a down year, BYU's basketball team has 20 wins and postseason possibilities to its name.

It's a great time to be a Cougar. Competitive in all sports without needing big-time conference affiliation to be relevant.

So no, I'm not envious of any other school and their "big-conference" affiliation. I love my Cougars and where they're at.

Go Cougars!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ truecoug1

41- Iowa
55- Maryland
63- BYU

And Tx. Tech is ranked 50 spots below Utah, so i'm not sure why they were included in your list. Anyway, the point is BYU would be middle of the road at best in any of the major conferences. BYU basketball may not be as fantastic as you think.

"BYU has won national titles in most all sports"

That is incorrect as well. BYU sponsors 21 varsity sports and has national titles in 6 of them.

I agree with you that BYU has been very successful despite not being included in a BCS conf. BYU still has many advantages of BCS teams, like a nationwide fan base and, most importantly, money.

Provo, UT


I wasn't referring to Iowa, Maryland, or Texas Tech of this year. I've already mentioned that BYU is in a down year in basketball this season. My point was that on average, BYU's basketball program since Dave Rose took over has been very competitive, more competitive than a lot of teams from the "big name" conferences.

Just like BYU's football team isn't in the same class as Alabama, LSU, or other perennial powerhouse football teams, but they're more competitive and relevant than a vast majority of members of the BCS conferences.

My overall point was, and still is, that BYU isn't envious of any school like Utah, Maryland, Iowa, Colorado, Washington St. etc, since BYU is doing just fine without being in a "major" conference. I personally love independence for BYU and I hope it continues down the line.

Go Cougars!


"Well said. I think we can all agree that as of right now, both Utah and BYU, have reached a place where a very special season is possible if either of them manage to win 10 or 11 games in the regular season."

BYU can go 12-0 and they're playing in the Poinsettia Bowl. This new playoff is simply lipstick on a pig. The Big 10, Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC champion will play in it even if that champion is 7-5...


The end is definitely near. Chris B. made a positive comment regarding BYU and you can now purchase beer on Sunday in Orem.

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