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Published: Thursday, Feb. 21 2013 10:30 a.m. MST

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eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Enough talking. BYU needs FIRST to win one or two (better) BCS bowl games. Then and only then should they start clamoring for and courting a BCS conference. This is waaaaaayyyyyy overdue. It's so much easier to get into the top tier when you've earned the right. We have a much more national following and a longer football legacy than Utah or Boise St., just lacking that notch in our belts.

As for Utah and what the BCS membership has done for them...name ONE thing, please. I keep hearing about how great it is but all I see is Utah is in the bottom of the conference both years (after expecting to be Rose Bowl contenders).

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

LEDSFW sad:

"Really Chris? Then why did ESPN offer BYU a contract and why were BYU's ratings extremely good. Why is ESPN so pleased with its relationship with BYU. One of the most immature things I read is when some fan writes Nobody or everybody. Well, perhaps the fan is just thinking a little larger about their importance than the actual body of followers and networks that are happy to have BYU."

Care to back up your claim about the ESPN ratings? Its not what you think or hope for. And yes ESPN is going to say they are pleased with the BYU contract. It's their money on the line. Practically any company in the same boat will say that to save face. ESPN paid for a 7-5 record, nothing else. Is that a good investment?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@LEDSFW
Also UTAH could NEVER have gone Independent, something BYU could and did do.

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Why not? New Mexico State and Idaho State did.

But then again TCU and Utah were invited to a real conference while BYU continues the 40+ year of "discussions".

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

toosmartforyou said:

"Last years Bowl Games:

Utah was OUT;
BYU was IN.

Rumors are that Utah went bowling at Orchard Lanes."

Rumors are that USU had a higher bowl rating than BYU. Wait that is true!

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Chrissy B.

You already said that they did..
quote:
"I actually believe byu did have a tentative offer..

You'll never understand why BYU can't give on the Sunday play issue.
And I don't think they (BYU) have a desire to ever go backwards on exposure and what having their own Network avails to them.
Anyone seen TCU lately?

BYU and Utah were lost in the abyss for nearly a decade regarding exposure. Utah and BYU could not even show a replay of their own games, for one year, under the Thompson/CBS regime. CBS owns the Mountain West until 2020, with each team only receiving abt. 2 million per year. BYU can make that much with 2 ESPN games or a neutral site game.

BYU also likes the WCC for their other sports, like minded institutions and the travel is ideal. And their(WCC)top B-ball program is ranked 3rd in the Nation this week.

Now don't you fret one more moment about what BYU is doing, just see if your Utes can ever compete for a Conference Championship, in any sport.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

upinthenight

"Care to back up your claim about the ESPN ratings? Its not what you think or hope for. And yes ESPN is going to say they are pleased with the BYU contract."

So we're supposed to believe a BYU-hating troll more than ESPN executives and reporters about ESPN's "true feelings" about ESPN's partnership with BYU?

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Joe Schad, ESPN's national college football reporter:

"I think BYU is certainly a national brand, in the same ilk as Notre Dame," said Schad, who provided color commentary on ESPN radio during the Cougars' recent appearance in the Poinsettia Bowl. "They have a national recruiting base and a national following. Obviously, I'm not a TV executive, but from what I have been told, ESPN is pleased with its relationship with BYU and the scheduling opportunities that it has presented for the network. BYU is a VERY ATTRACTIVE BRAND from a television perspective. My company desired BYU as a broadcast partner. BYU is attractive to our television audience and to our executives."

Gotta laugh at the arrogance of our little brothers on the hill who think they know more than anybody else.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

@ Night Owl

No problem with USU's success. Congratulations to them.

Read betweent the lines, or even read the lines, and you'll see:
Big problem with Utah's PAC12 snobbery by one of their fans who always posts first on BYU articles and bashes them while the team he supports continually disappoints their fans.

(Do you think Utah will win 10 total PAC12 conference games in 3 years, or will it take them 4 seasons?)

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Why does Chris B get away with calling Tom Holmoe a liar and the DesNews allows his post? What gives here, anyway?

Obama10
SYRACUSE, UT

@twoforflinching Using Utah State, Idaho, and New Mexico State as examples of Universities going independent is a poor example. Utah State is still digging out of the hole going independent caused them. They had a great year last year after many horrible years. Idaho and New Mexico State are going independent because their conference has vanished and been morphed into the MWC. ONLY Notre Dame would ever CHOOSE to go independent. Even BYU was trying to make the best out of a bad situation, which after some growing pains, have accomplished. If it was so easy, all of the big schools i.e. Texas, Alabama, USC would do it. Finally on the BIG 12, at their conference meetings last week they announced they were happy with 10 teams because they didn't have to share the pot of money with as many teams. It will be hard for BYU to join strictly on money concerns alone.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

These posts are fun to read. Some BYU fans are content with independence but the premise of this article pertains to BYU being called up to the big leagues. That doesn't sound like peace, joy, and contentment with independence to me. The article also conveys the notion that Holmoe doesn't have a strategy. Here's what Holmoe said last August...

"I understand how disappointed people were the they [Utah] got in the Pac-12 and we're not."

That doesn't sound like contentment either. Further, it's interesting that Holmoe uses Utah as BYU's measuring stick rather than simply saying...we're disappointed that BYU is not in a BCS conference.

So, in reference to a post above, who is the head and who is the tail of the ant?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

The BIG 12 never was an option for the Y and I suspect never will be. TCU got the invite to BIG12 simply because they won a BCS bowl game and found themselves in the top 10 a bunch of times in the past few years. Utah followed the same pattern into the PAC12. BYU has never been to a BCS bowl and most likely never will. I really think the Y is off the radar for any big conferences especially with the terrible record the Y has had in football the past 2 years. BYU seems to be settling into a new lower lever and that seems to be just fine for Holmoe and most fans.

Ironhide
Salt Lake City, UT

.twoforflinching

interesting how you know utah could go independent better than Dr. Hill, who by the way said exactly the opposite after BYU went independent. He said there is no way utah could go independent. But continue speaking for the athletic director at your school, it does wonders for your credibility.

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV

"Rumors are that USU had a higher bowl rating than BYU. Wait that is true!"

USU also played on a weekend. Whereas BYU's bowl was played on a Thursday night. Yeah, weekend bowl got higher ratings. Duh.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Obama10

Florida St., Syracuse, Rutgers, VT, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati, and many others were all independent from the late 70's, to the early 90's. The reason they chose to join a conf, and the reason 97% of FBS college football teams choose to stay in a conference is because the benefits of that membership far outweigh those of going independent.

I know BYU is a unique case, and being independent is probably a better choice than the MWC. But I think the Big XII is a far better option than staying independent. IMO, BYU should be fighting tooth and nail to get in. It would be a huge step forward for the entire athletic department, and CFB in general in this state.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV
"Rumors are that USU had a higher bowl rating than BYU. Wait that is true!"

USU also played on a weekend. Whereas BYU's bowl was played on a Thursday night. Yeah, weekend bowl got higher ratings. Duh.

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Right it was on a weekend, and BYU got stuck with its bowl.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah
upinthenight

So we're supposed to believe a BYU-hating troll more than ESPN executives and reporters about ESPN's "true feelings" about ESPN's partnership with BYU?

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Joe Schad, ESPN's national college football reporter:

"I think BYU is certainly a national brand, in the same ilk as Notre Dame," said Schad, who provided color commentary on ESPN radio during the Cougars' recent appearance in the Poinsettia Bowl. "They have a national recruiting base and a national following. Obviously, I'm not a TV executive, but from what I have been told, ESPN is pleased with its relationship with BYU and the scheduling opportunities that it has presented for the network. BYU is a VERY ATTRACTIVE BRAND from a television perspective. My company desired BYU as a broadcast partner. BYU is attractive to our television audience and to our executives."

Gotta laugh at the arrogance of our little brothers on the hill who think they know more than anybody else.

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Yeah! You would think a power conference would make an official invite to BYU with their national brand. Especially after 40+ years LOL!

Gotta laugh at the wishful thinkers in BYU land.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Ironhide

Please tell me you're kidding. Idaho is going independent. Why wouldn't Utah be able to? Utah's endowment is three times larger than Idaho's. Utah has vastly superior athletic facilities across the board, as well as superior athletic teams. Utah is also in a much bigger market. Oh, and Utah also has a tv and radio station on campus. You keep telling yourself Utah couldn't do it though....

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

BYU's never had a chance, but really really never had a chance after the Big 12 brought in West Virginia. The Big 12 doesn't want to expand, but if they did they'd find a partner/rival for WVU. They will look east, not west.

moderateinmagna
MAGNA, UT

dear 2fer youn ad has said that utah could never go independent ,so you need to confront him and not other posters,it came straight from c hills mouth 2 years ago when BYU went independent

Bluto
Sandy, UT

Idaho is going Independent and they still won't have a TV deal.

We're talking about teams which can go Independent and then cut exclusive ESPN-BYU type contracts with a Major Network.

Having an on campus TV studio does not equate with having your own Television Network with distribution in 70 million homes on basic tier and millions more Internationally.

Utah coud never equal BYU's situation.
They're content riding others coat-tails and living in obscurity.

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