idablue, Haters are going to hate. If it's not the bombastic, over
the top style of Chris B or the tongue in cheek of Mildred/Ernest you must
prefer the blowhard pontification of duckyg. All the same from my
viewpoint, just keep scrolling.
No, Proud Ute, with Mildred and Ernest (same person?) and a host of other
trolls, it is the same old schtick over, and over, and over again. It really has
lost its humor. I don't know, there is something about obsessive hate that
loses its luster after awhile.....
AltaHawkFanSandy, UT What's the matter, is their
tongue in check commentary hitting a little too close to home? Somebody
either needs a life or sense of humor and it's not either Mildred or
re: Fillmore in Milford with an ernest bass at 10:54pmI love how you
just can't move on from BYU despite your declarations otherwise. Keep it
up and you'll soon be awarded obsessed stalker status. Congrats.Maybe you should be more concerned with the pathetic play of your own team.
It's very unlikely that they'll win enough games to be bowl eligible
again this year.
@AZguy"I would guess he (Bronco) is not one to deflect criticism
and is the first one to say that the offensive woes were ultimatley his
responsibility."- - - -I have seen no evidence of this. In fact
my observation has been that when he does make mistakes or bad decisions, he
will NOT own them. And I would agree that Doman's failure as OC is mostly
on Bronco.I really like Doman. He really is a good guy. Is there
anyone with any information as to what will become of him, or where he is now?
timpClimberProvo, UTOne of Bronco's good attributes is his
ability to quickly learn from mistakes. ---------I've seen ZERO
evidence of this...StgeorgebyuSt. Georg, UTI hope this
works out. It is true Anae had trouble with players and other coaches. It is
also true that the leader Bronco should bear some more responsibility for the
offensive troubles, he is the one who is doing the hiring. -----Amen.AZguyPhoenix, AZBronco should be under fire
for the offense last year. He made the call to hire Doman. If BYU goes 6-6 for
the next three years, he will be gone. I would guess he is not one to deflect
criticism and is the first one to say that the offensive woes were ultimatley
his responsibility.-------"Saying" you are responsible
isn't the same thing as making good decisions. Playing Riley was a bad
decision.GDSyracuse, UTI don't think Dick Motta
played high school ball. He won a state championship with a small school in
Idaho.------And an NBA Championship with Washington.Rick
Majerus was a lousy player, and a great coach.
WiscougarfanRiver Falls, WIDuckhunter can't leave Utah
out of the discussion because Utah is all he thinks about.
RE: DuckhunterI love your comparison of hitting coaches. Now if you
could just leave Utah out of the discussion you'd have a really good point
to make. Go Cougs!
So my son has a hitting coach he takes instruction from for baseball. This guy
was never more than a high school baseball player although he has been a coach
for quite a long time. One of the other kids this coach works with is the son of
a former major league baseball player. I asked this guy, the former major
leaguer, why he didn't just teach his kid himself and he says because he
has no idea how to teach a kid to hit, he knows how to hit but teaching it is an
entirely different thing so he has this other guy teaching his kid how to
hit.None of us has a clue if Ty Detmer can teach qb's. We do
know brian johnson isn't very good at it. Just being a former great player,
like Detmer, or a former ok player, like johnson, does not mean you can be a
good teacher/coach. Being a good coach or teacher is a skill set all its own and
is not necessarily related to the kind of player a guy was.
I don't think Dick Motta played high school ball. He won a state
championship with a small school in Idaho. He then put Weber State on the map
with some great athletes. Finally he was a very good coach in the pros. Is
experience necessary I would say not entirely. To say Jason has no experience
would eliminate his high school playing days. Some people have a natural
instinct to be a good coach. Studying the game, learning from coaching clinics,
learning from mistakes all enter in. I hope Jason does well and I have
confidence that he does. What John Beck said about him would indicate that.Gary
I think Jason Beck will do a great job for BYU. Fantastic hire.In
fact, it brings a tear to my eye too John.
Interesting article. Of course, you always hope for a home run in these
hirings. It sure sounds good now and Jason Beck sounds like an up-can-coming
coach, but Brandon Doman was as well. Only time will tell. First,
you don't have to be a great player to be a great coach. Plenty of history
along those lines. Just becuase Jason did not start over John Beck, he should
not be written off. But not having been in the heat of battle regularly as a
Division I QB could cause issues of understanding with his QB's. There
again, only time will tell. Bronco should be under fire for the
offense last year. He made the call to hire Doman. If BYU goes 6-6 for the next
three years, he will be gone. I would guess he is not one to deflect criticism
and is the first one to say that the offensive woes were ultimatley his
All I know is Harline is still open!
Great article and great perspective by Jo Beck. I think Ja Beck will be a solid
hire. A lot of BYU fans need to get over the fact that BYU did not get Ty
Detmor. Jason Beck does not have the celebrity factor that Ty did but I think he
will be a good coach and he is a proven commodity. I think Doman was a good
QB's coach too but Anae should be able to hire his own guys. I honestly
don't think how the QB's coach performs is going to make it a good or
bad season anyways, how Anae performs as an OC will though.
Great insight. So, John Beck "loves" the hire of Jason Beck. And that
insight is based on what? John has never been coached by Jason, so, basically,
he's going over the same thing that anyone else could go on-- stats of what
he may have done elsewhere. Honestly, we Cougs fans can certainly "hope"
that this, as well as all the others, will be a good hire. Bottom line, no one
knows how Jason Beck will do ..... including John. John Beck's insight
means nothing to me. Any why would John know Jason was in "high demand"
rather than the sporters writer perhaps digging deeper on his end. And
"if" a head coaching "opportunity" was at College of the
Canyons, we're supposed to be more excited Jason Beck was offered a job to
coach a Junior College team?
@duckhunterthats not actually true about BJ. He was not immediately
hired, but nice try... Also, who says he failed as a QB coach? He took a
terrible John Hays and turned him into a serviceable QB. I for one choose to
trust those that actually know a thing or two about football (the coaches),
rather than trusting some guy who calls himself duckhunter that has as much
actual knowledge about the situation as my dead grandmother.
Awesome hire! It was aweseom when Anea had to leave and Doman was awesome and
now it's awesome Anea is back and Beck is awesome. Great leadership
Ducky is right on target. Nuff said on the topic!!!
Well said BYUAlum.
@54iqHow many offensive coordinators has utah had the last 6
years?Let's examine the Beck hiring in comparison to the bj
hiring.Beck - graduate assistant at top 25 program, offensive
assistant at top 5 program, passing game coordinator at 1-aa school, qb coach at
1aa school, offensive coordinator at D2 school. Basicly a pretty standard
coaching trajectory, advances in repsonsibilities and positions over a steady
period of time. Now hired as a QB coach at a perenial top 25 program, not as
offensive coordinator, qb coach.bj - immediately hired as a qb coach
straight out of school, no time as a grad assistant, no time as an offensive
assistant, no time as anything gaining any experience. qb's under his
tutelage actually got worse. Promoted to offensive coordinator of a pac12 school
despite being in diapers and being a failed qb coach. Immediately leads offense
to a 109th ranking. Gets demoted after 1 season although is allowed to retain
the weird title of "co". Hmmmmm......if I was you I would
maybe concern myself with the offensive, and I mean that in every sense of the
word, staff at the worst program in the pac12.
I hope this works out. It is true Anae had trouble with players and other
coaches. It is also true that the leader Bronco should bear some more
responsibility for the offensive troubles, he is the one who is doing the
hiring. Now is Jason a good coach? Does playing time mean he isn't?
His resume says he has potential. Playing time means nothing. Many great coaches
are better teachers then they are players. As also there are many examples of
great players being terrible coaches. There is a big difference between doing
and knowing what to do. That said I would have loved to have Detmer, but
he is living a happy life so I say, have at it. We have to get a better
o-line and have a more stable running game along with a consistent passing game.
I hope we will gain an identity with our offense. Our defense is known for
stopping the run and being able to go after them when we have broken them down.
One of Bronco's good attributes is his ability to quickly learn from
mistakes. His new coaches are all blue chippers and we will see improvement in
the overall play of BYU. When the coaches learn to work together the
improvement will be significant.
I hadn't kept track of Jason Beck after he left BYU. Thanks for a great
article and interviewing John Beck for his insight. It sounded like Jason
"held out" for BYU. That's good. We want someone who is hungry for
the opportunity to be the QB coach at the Y. I also wonder what will happen to
Max Hall and Brandon Domen, for that matter.I just hope the
chemistry of the Offensive coaches is united and up to the tough schedule for
2013. We won't know for sure until the Cougars hit the field in the first
game.It is so exciting to see what the men's BYU volleyball
team is doing. Too bad we don't get all the games when they coincide with
basketball. They are #2 in the nation right now and have knocked down some
pretty incredible teams. Watch Friday and Saturday night on BYUtv.Enough of bashing by bloggers on a BYU site. You read your articles and make
comments, and let us have our opinions without the constant back and forth. It
is so stale and old, and I don't care anymore!Go Cougars!
RE:Henry DrummondSan Jose, CAMax Hall has to finish his degree
before he can coach at BYU. From what I see I think is is finishing his degree
then he can be a GA.
Nice perspective from John Beck.
The hiring of a BYU player who started in just one game and never got any
meaningful playing time at quarterback is highly questionable. What practical
experience does he bring to your team other than holding a clipboard for the
years he was at BYU? At least Doman played and had two good years at BYU.This hiring of the "other Beck" is curious, as is the the
re-hire of Anae, the OC whom BYU couldn't get rid of fast enough two years
All I know is someone cried.
It would actually be nice if John Beck came back to coach, but even being a back
up in the NFL is pretty good money. I hope he finds his way onto another roster.
Is John Beck looking like he will ink a deal with any team soon?
Translation - Doman screams at the quarterbacks when they make a mistake and
doesn't have enough experience to be a solid coach.
@54-10--Utes can't win half their games in either football, or basketball.
54-IQWhittingham has had 5 different Offensive Coordinators in the
last 5 years.Utah fans would do well to refrain from throwing stones
at other programs until the Utes start holding Kyle's feet to the fire for
his bungled offensive hirings.
@54-10Aren't you a team up north (tun) follower? Not much good to
talk about these days eh?
So who's responsible for the Brandon Doman and offensice assitants hirings?
It appears that Bronco has gone unscathed in all of this and that BYU
"fan" is back in line.Wishful thinking. The fish "stinks
from the head to the tail" as they say, yet Bronco (the head) is praised
rather than challenged for his decisions. Let me know when Dick writes an
article questioning Bronco and how the offense went so wrong in the first
place.Anae did a good job the first time and Bronco allowed the
environment around the offensive coaches to be so bad that Anae left on his own
(so we are told). If that is true, and no one who knows for sure says that it
isn't, wasn't bronco the one ultimately responsible for the
I'll tell you why I am not thrilled or confident in these hires:Bronco's had years to put together the correct staff. He had a learning
curves himself. He spends much time on self-help books, yet not sure how much
time learning about offenses. We have yet to have the
"right" staff apparently. Now--going back to Anae, who walked out on
the program, had player/relations problems,and we are all supposed to be
tippy-toes and sparkly-nose about it. These hires are unproven.
Maybe that is all BYU can get. The fiasco last year (Bronco called out by Doman
on the radio) the decision to play Riley Nelson was Bronco's not
Doman's. The way Doman was hung out to dry, after being set up to fail--the
flailing of Dupaix and Cahoon...I have little confidence in the choices or
handling now or in the future of this program under Bronco. Yes, his defense is
amazing. That is not the program. He dislikes and created an abyss
with the fans. Bronco needs to repair the damage. There is much distress in
Provo these days.
I thought Max Hall had a lock on this job. Anybody know if he is still down in
Interesting article. Enjoyed the information about Ja. Beck having received
offers to coach at other schools. It'll be great if it works out, the
schedule next season is rough, I don't know how much time the offensive
coaching staff will have to go through the growing pains.Time will
tell, time will tell.
That is quite an endorsement. I am more encouraged by Jason Beck's hire
than by Anae's hire.