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Lawmaker says just carrying a gun shouldn't be a threat

Published: Sunday, Feb. 17 2013 6:40 p.m. MST

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Joshua Steimle
Draper, UT

This question is an invention of government, and the proper solution is to remove government from the equation. If all transportation were private, there would be no issue. The owners of any transportation service could institute whatever rules they wanted to for those choosing to use those transportation services. Get rid of public transportation and you get rid of this question, not to mention a money-losing boondoggle of a "service".

bblackmoor
Troy, VA

“You would have to take steps to put somebody’s safety at risk,” he explained. “Merely open carrying a weapon doesn’t even come close to the level of disorderly conduct.”

Well, duh. It's sad that anyone needs to be told this.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

@FT "Currently, we treat the right to own a gun too casually."

Imagine someone saying, "Currently, we treat the right to free speech too casually," and calling for tougher regulations. This is how anti-gun stuff comes across to some of us. These are basic rights we're talking about.

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

I understand reasons why people want to close carry weapons, and I support that right, but I don't understand why people want to open carry. When I was a kid, I carried my 22 through town and across runways at the local airport to get to my dad's farm to hunt jack rabbits. Nobody was fearful when they saw me. But it's different today. People today are fearful when they see guns carried by non-police and non-military.

I think laws must be interpreted in the context of today not yesterday. Some people do and will feel uneasy when they see guns in public places. Those feelings are to be expected and must be considered when we establish laws for the 21st century. The thing I think is reasonable is to have open carry in our homes and vehicles but closed carry in public places.

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

If I see someone on a bus with a gun, I'm going to call the police no matter what.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

Glad they aren't bringing up big knives. Cause I carry one of them all the time.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Does a street preacher have a right to preach on the sidewalk adjacent to Temple Square if what he is sayin is objectionable to others? It is called the Constitution.

one old man
Ogden, UT

So Nate, if I come down to Pleasant Grove and set up a big screen on the public sidewalk in front of your home and start showing porn movies for you and all your neighbors to enjoy, you'll have no objection because I'm simply exercising my First Amendment rights?

one old man
Ogden, UT

But Dwyane, when a cop gets on a bus I can be pretty sure he has been thoroughly screened and well trained.

Can I assume that when you get on a bus with your manhood displayed in an open holster?

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

I'm just wondering. Does Utah law require training for open carry like it does for closed carry? Background checks?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Allen, the answer to both your questions is NO.

But don't be afraid.

If he decides to start shooting, you probably won't suffer more than in instant of intense pain before everything goes black and you will have no more problems -- ever.

Just think of it as a fast track to the Celestial Kingdom.

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

Easy question. Get off the bus.

Wanderer
West Jordan, UT

Such persons may think they have the "right" to blatantly flaunt their so-called gun rights, but they will never be able to allay the public's heightened concerns, suspicions and worries as to the intentions of the gun-toting fool.

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

@oldman because those psyche evals and training cops take are infallible like that psycho in California and those NY cops who shot 8 innocent bystanders showed, right?

Harley Rider
Small Town, CT

Gun Safety needs to be taught in our schools - educate the kids on gun safety . People who conceal carry have saved thousands and thousands of peoples lives thru-out America. Of course this fact is never brought into the National Media for the Sheep to see.

How to stop almost All of the School Shootings -
1) Return all schools to be run totally at the local level - get the Feds OUT!
2) Make sure that when a school is locked - No one Can Enter without an Armed -Teacher , School Administrator, or School Employee present - preferably at least 2 being present.
3) Bring back the gun safety classes starting in elementary and continue thru high school - The Swiss do this the Israeli's do this - with great success
4) Encourage and Reward school employees who wish to be trained in gun safety & carry.
5) Get the kids off of these horrible Psychotropic Meds - the use of these drugs is totally out of control and has been proven to be the main reason behind All of the school shootings
6) Secure the schools with high security locks , doors and windows that don't break

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Nate says: "These are basic rights we're talking about."

--- Hypocrisy at it's finest. Didn't you conservatives vote away some "basic rights" of people you don't care for? Don't cry when your own rights are infringed when you're willing to infringe upon the rights of others.

Additionally, what about the "basic right" of a mother to feel safe when she's out with her children? I promise you, some nut carrying a gun on a bus or train I was on would certainly NOT make me feel safe; quite the opposite in fact.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Nate
The are restrictions to "free speech". You can't yell fire in a movie theater. You can't scream profanities in a public setting. We can put restrictions on free speech just as we can put restrictions of gun ownership. It's easier to get a gun than it is a driver's license. That's stupid. We can be a safer, more civilized society by putting restrictions on guns. Let's start by deciding what citizens should be able to own guns and punish those who are careless or harmful with their use. I have no problem with a responsible person owning an assault weapon. But if that weapon is used in a crime, the owner should be jailed for manslaughter. Why do we accept that accidents happen when it comes to guns? I believe that the constitution enables an American to own a gun and I also believe society has the right to severly punish you if you are irresponsible by excercising that right. Zero tolerance with severe penalities will decrease casual ownership.

Clinton
Draper, UT

@Nate You do have the right not to be made nervous. That's what the exit door on the bus is for. You have every right in the world to not feel nervous. What you don't have the right to do is force somebody else, who is acting within their rights, to accommodate your sensitivities.

Clinton
Draper, UT

@FT Does your suggestion honestly seem reasonable to you? If your car is involved in an accident and somebody dies, should you spend a mandatory 10 years in prison and lose your ability to ever get a license or own a car again?

@JoeBlow Yes, you should get used to it. Guns are not "bad" and there is no need to fear them. Respect them, yes. Fear them, no. What you should fear is the brainwashing by those who wish to take your guns from you in the name of "safety." Look how well that worked out for the Jews in and around Germany.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Guns are not "bad" and there is no need to fear them. "

You are absolutely correct Clinton.

I have no fear of guns. It is those who are untrained, careless or mentally unequipped to carry them that scare me.

Here is a blurb from just last month
"Accidental shootings at gun shows in North Carolina, Indiana and Ohio left five people injured Saturday"

3 separate instances of accidental shootings at GUN shows no less.

And you think that I should not be concerned on a moving bus or train?

Too many people do not take the ownership and handling of firearms seriously enough.
THAT is why I dont want to be around people I dont know carrying guns.

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