Comments about ‘Dick Harmon: BYU retires jerseys of two storied basketball players, Minnie and Hutch’

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Published: Saturday, Feb. 16 2013 11:10 p.m. MST

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Bluto
Sandy, UT

Mel Hutchins sister Colleen, is Kiki Vandeweghe's Mother and she was Miss America-1952.
She died in 2010.
Quite a family.

And yes indeed, BYU took way too long to honor these men.
Let's hope Lavell Edwards' statue is dedicated while he still lives.
And let's also hope that it is as awesome as the Merlin Olsen Statue in Logan.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Obviously way overdue. It is amazing tome I hadn't heard of

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Accidentally hit the send button. Sorry.

Obviously overdue. It is amazing to to me that I had never heard of these guys, especially when one of them is from my home town, and from the same high school I went to!

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

Oh Dick!

"At the time, the NIT and the NCAA had almost equal status"

Actually in 1951 the NCAA tournament was more prestigious than the NIT. If you look at the two tournament brackets. You'll notice the NCAA bracket had the premier basketball programs in their tournament. The NIT was second rate to the NCAA!

"BYU’s 1951 NIT title was the first national championship ever for the Cougar athletic program".

Actually BYU was only the 1951 NIT Champions not National Champions. Kentucky won the National Championship that year beating Kansas State in the NCAA National Championship Game.

Let's also not forget BYU played in the NCAA tournament that year and lost in the second round by a wide margin to Kansas State (NCAA Runner up). After losing in the second round BYU went on to play in the NIT against second rate teams and won it.

Balan
South Jordan, Utah

Why doesn't it surprise me that an insecure Utah fan is posting on an article that has absolutely nothing to do with the University of Utah? Some things will never change . . .

Kudos to BYU for retiring the jerseys of Mel Hutchins and Roland Minson. They are a couple of decades before my time but I used to hear about them from my father. BYU truly has a rich tradition in basketball that dates back many decades.

Barney Google
Beaver, UT

@ Dick Harmon
"At the time, the NIT and the NCAA had almost equal status"

"almost"

Its not a matter of semantics.

Oswald "almost" missed JFK

Amelia Earhart "almost" made it around the world.

Christopher Columbus "almost" made it to India.

Wile E. Coyote "almost" got the Road Runner.

Pres. Obama "almost" got us out of the recession.

"Almost" although ambiguous can be miles apart..

Bluto
Sandy, UT

You poor insecure ute fans.

The NIT Championship in 1951 was indeed considered a National Championship.
In 1966 when BYU won another NIT Championhip that was not the case.

Even in 1966 when Utah played in the final 4, only 22 teams participated in the NCAA tournament at that time.

In fact, Utah's 1947 NIT Championship was considered much more pretigious than was their 1944 NCAA Championship in Baskletball.

The NCAA in 1944 and 1951, was not what it is today. That took time to develop.
In 1951 only 16 teams participated in the NCAA tournament, while 12 played in the NIT.
For many years, schools played in both tournaments.

Another example of Ute fans not understanding history and it's context and feeling compelled to undermine every single BYU achievement..

BYU's and Utah's programs are both storied.
Both have had Hall of Fame Coaches.
Both have produced All-Americans.
BYU has had 2 NPOY while Utah has had one.

BYU is a winning program today while Utah is not.

BYU DUDE
Provo, UT

Bleed Crimson ,

Well at least Utah invented Cold Fusion !!!

Barney Google
Beaver, UT

@BYU DUDE

"Well at least Utah invented Cold Fusion !!!"

In an article about a 1951 basketball game?

Ouch below the belt DUDE.

But lets look this over. In the Scientific Method you perform the following; Construct a Hypothesis. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

If your Testing fails you go back to reconstructing your Hypothesis and Test again.
What the researches thought they had in Cold Fusion didn’t retest with other researchers.
Is that a failure? I don’t know ask Thomas Edison while inventing the light bulb.

The beauty of this, is that it happened at a Research Institution.

One reason the U of U was invited to join the PAC 12 was because they are a research institution with many accomplishments.

Besides stretching the “almost equal” to claim a national title in 1951, what is it that BYU personifies to show Nation Status in academia.

And don’t bring up Football titles, I’m talking relevant accomplishments in life i.e. Cancer Research.

DaveWY
Afton, WY

Thanks BYU for remembering two legends of the game.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

Bleed Crimson,

First, lets examine your claims from a historical perspective, courtesy of the "Utah Utes Basketball" section of wikipedia, surely written by a Utah homer (who else would bother):

"Peterson would guide Utah to 6 conference and state championships and reached the ultimate prize in 1944, when the Utes won the national championship. Oddly enough, Utah had turned down a bid to the NCAA Tournament because they wanted to play in the NIT. Back then, the NIT was a far more prestigious tournament and typically drew the big time college basketball programs. However, after being bounced in the first round by [tournament nemesis] Kentucky, Utah was given a second chance to play in the NCAA Tournament after an accident injured the University of Arkansas team."

So,
A) The Utes lost in the "other" tournament first (the NIT)
B) The other tournament was "far most prestigious"

Bluto's perspective is more balanced:

BYU's and Utah's programs are both storied.
Both have had Hall of Fame Coaches.
Both have produced All-Americans.
[Both have] had NPOY

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