'U 90Corona, CA@ RAW "Ummm BYU's defense
was ranked 3rd overall in 2012"Consider the competition'BYU played five ranked teams (Boise, ND, Oregon St., SJSU, and USU) and
beat one. Utah played only two (Oregon St. and USU), and lost to both.
@UteJunkyTotally agree with R.A.W. BYU's D held Utah's O
to 17 points (and that was with the 3 TO's the Utes "forced").
BYU's O scored 21 points. BYU's D held BSU's O to 0 points (and
that was with the 5 TO's that BSU forced). BYU's O scored 6 points in
that game.Both of those games are wins if our inept offense
doesn't spot the opposing team a TD. Heck, even the Notre Dame game would
have been a win if Riley could've thrown the ball within a yard of a wide
open Cody Hoffman.I agree that BYU's defensive numbers were
inflated to a degree from the competition that we played. However, as has been
pointed out, BYU also played some great teams and the only one that got out of
hand was the OSU game, and even that game was close until a couple of fluke
bounces went the Beavers way.BYU's D and punting last year was
stellar. Nothing else was, but don't take that away from us, we need to
take comfort in something! :)Go Cougars!
@utejunky70 3:36PM"...Just wanted to comment on an interview I
heard with Doman on DJ and PK. What an outstanding man Brandon Doman is. He
handled himself so well in the interview. He may have been in over his
head a little bit as OC but at the end of day isn't that just as much the
head coaches fault as it is Domans?...".Interesting question.
Another question, asked by others, is why should Brandon, Ben and Joe lose their
jobs, yet the person responsible for the man-crush on Riley not be held
I really enjoy exchanging dialogue with cougar fans who are rational and make
good points. We all know that there is a ton of irrational fans on both
UtejunkYou lose. In fairness, when an outstanding
defense, such as the one that beat 'Bama, plays on an outstanding team, the
need to single out how good the defense was is dissipated. We had a great
defense. And great punting down the stretch. No need for a Ute to try to
negate what little we had. Those who attempt are wrong. Igdog3finallyWest Jordan, UtahFair enough. Honest analysis
from a Ute fan trying to be objective, but who doesn't care enough about
BYU to want to try to understand it from the ground up, I can live with that.
But don't be surprised if BYU fans continue to try to micro
dissect, and continue to do so till the team actually performs ABOVE
expectations (ours) instead of below. And to whoever it was that
hoped Anae "learned something," Anae's offenses were GOOD. The
problem was, and may still be, that they were predictable. What we hope for is
Boise State style of unpredictably good. That's all.
Utejunk70 Notre Dame #4Utah State #16Boise State #18Oregon St. #20San Jose St. #21And I will agree your defense
dominated our inept offense, but saying your defense, and Boise St. Defense
outplayed BYU's is stupid. If Riley Nelson hadn't blotched a snap your
defense returned for a TD or thrown a pick six against Boise, we win both those
games with great defensive efforts. Because the offense was unable to move the
ball, the defense was constantly stuck defending a short field. The numbers
don't lie.BYU #3 in total defense against 5 top 25 teamsUtah
#36 in total defense against 2 top 25 teams
@R.A.W. I never said your defense wasn't legit I just said it wasn't
as good as the Defenses of the teams you lost to. Also I don't believe in
giveaways I believe in takeaways. For ex. if a center snaps the ball between
your QBs legs in a shotgun its because he's getting his but kicked by the
DT and he's scared. Also who were the 5 ranked teams BYU played?@Sky2K1. Our offense was worse then yours so if we didn't win that game
on defense then what did we win it on? Also it was your vaunted defense that
gave up a 48yd TD pass to 1 of the worst offenses in college football. Again I
never said your defense wasn't good. I just said they weren't
legendary. My Utes have had 5 or 6 defenses in the past 10 years that were
better. You guys just aren't used to good defenses so your over reaching.
I thought Ben Cahoon was very good as the receivers coach the last two years. I
think not bringing him back has everything to do with recruiting. BYU thinks
that Guy Holliday can help recruit; Texas, non LDS athletes, and african
american athletes better than they have over the past 8 years. That will be a
lot of pressure on him when it comes to recruiting season but I hope he
succeeds. BYU obviously needs help recruiting those areas.As far as
no bringing Brandon Doman back as the QB’s coach, it makes sense to not
want to bring back the OC who replaced you (for coach Anae). It sounds like all
of the QB’s under Jason Beck have done very well. I’m sure he will
be a very good coach.
Guys, here's what I am saying. Forget speculation (agreeing with me or not)
on who wanted Riley as the QB (Bronco, Doman, or both of them) and just look at
who has the job title to make final decisions on personel. The HEAD COACH (is
who). Now, I am not trying to focus on all the reasons why Bronco
allowed Riley to stay at the healm (if he thought Riley was a leader, loved the
guy, thought he gave the team the best chance to win, or whatever else). I am
just saying he was allowed to stay the pilot. If Doman wanted that as well, or
independently, it shouldn't take accountability away from Bronco. Doman may
have wanted that, I just don't think he did. Either way, Bronco should have
saved him from himself there. If Doman wanted Lark on the other
hand, or someone else in there, then he got fired for Bronco's call. That
is not known to me. I just feel bad for Doman (even as a Ute fan who almost came
to blows with Brandon's brother in 1995) because there were no plays that
could work for the offense as constructed.
Two things BYU will not do: (1) Let someone go when they still have a contract
- it is the principle of honoring a contract, and (2) Pay off a coach (their
lost salary for the year or years left on their contract). If Bronco goes, it
will be after this year (this is the last year of his contract) or after the
next contract is completed. We will know if a HC change will be made after this
year - or perhaps before this year is over, if his contract is extended.
Let's be patiant and wait until the end of this season. I do not think any
coach can do more with a defense than Bronco has done with BYU's defense.
Yes, he is a great defensive coach and the defense is the heart of a team. With
the hire of Anae, I feel the offense is in good hands. BYU is in for a great
year this year. I think we're all going to be pleasantly surprised.
If Chris B. is bringing up someone who hasn't won a championship since the
80's, can I start pulling out our championship from the 80's? I mean
it's only fair right?@UteJunky70 - I'll agree our defense
was overrated to a degree, but the defensive TD's you brought up from your
game and the BSU game wasn't because those defenses were so much better
than ours. We just had a horrible offense. At least BSU had to have skill to
get their turnover for a score. A bad, early, and low snap doesn't prove
anything about your defensive ability. It just proves how pathetic we were on
offense last year. So I'll meet you halfway -- BYU's d was overrated,
but BSU and the U's defenses did not dominate BYU in those games, and were
not better than BYU's d overall.
@ RAW "Ummm BYU's defense was ranked 3rd overall in 2012"Consider the competition
To: The Cucamongan, Rancho Cucamonga, CA - the systems was broken on the
offensive side of the ball. It started with the Head Coach and continued through
the Offensive Coordinator. If BYU was really serious about their football
program, both of these individuals would be gone. It was poor decisions one
after another by the Head Coach and OC that resulted in key losses all year. The
BYU AD promised changes and all I see is window dressing. If this is "big
business" then make the hard moves and let's get going in a different
direction. Anything else is alot of talk.
Won't know how these hires pan out until the Cougars are well into the
season.Riley Nelson and the Coug offense made a lot of defenses look
good. So if we're comparing defenses and the type of talent they were up
against, those teams whose defense "supposedly" outplayed the Y's
defense were definitely playing against inferior offensive talent when playing
the Y. BYU's defense was the sole reason they even went to and won a bowl
" .... Some national programs hire national title coaches as assistants ...
"And some hire 25 year old rookie OC's like Brian Johnson.
Utejunk 70Ummm BYU's defense was ranked 3rd overall in 2012.
And that was with 5 top 25 opponents on the schedule. Not one of the teams you
mentioned played as many. Pretty sure the defense was legit. And your
logic is extremely flawed. Utah, Oregon St., and Boise were all handed Turnovers
and TD's, compliments of Riley Nelson. BYU's defense was consistently
playing with their backs to the wall due to poor offensive production. And we
lost 3 of the games you mentioned by a total of 7pts. And against Oregon st.
The score was 24-28 with 5 minutes left in the game before Riley threw a pick
six. Bottom line, the defense was the bright spot of a disappointing 2012
campaign. And was the only reason BYU had a winning season.
Look like two solid hires. Admittedly I know very little about assistant
coaches anywhere so I don't know how these two stack up. However, I
don't understand why other posters are bagging on BYU for hiring coaches
from Simon Fraser and UTEP (who also coached at Mississippi State and LSU).
After all one of the best coaches in college football first coached at Bowling
Green and Utah before he finally made it big. If a coach can be successful
after Utah, one certainly can be successful after UTEP.
I'm beginning to get a little bit weary of all the talk about how dominant
BYU's defense was last year. In the only 4 games that mattered last year
BYU's defense was outplayed by the oppositions defense. They
were outplayed by my UTE defense. We generated 3 TO's and our defensive TD
was the difference in the game.They were outplayed by Boise States
defense. The Boise defense generated 5 TO's in that game and there
defensive TD was the difference in that game.Guess how many
TO's the vaunted BYU defense generated in those 2 games combined? Zero,
Nix, Nada.Notre Dames defense outplayed BYU's in a close low
scoring game and again created more TO's then the Cougs.And
that great Cougar D allowed OSU to put up 42 points on them. The same OSU
offense that my UTES held to 21 pts. and 227 total yards.BYU's
defensive stats are misleading based on some of the terrible offenses they
faced. Don't get me wrong the Cougs had a very good defense last year but
its not like they were the 85 Chicago Bears. A little perspective please.
Just wanted to comment on an interview I heard with Doman on DJ and PK. What an
outstanding man Brandon Doman is. He handled himself so well in the interview.
He may have been in over his head a little bit as OC but at the end of day
isn't that just as much the head coaches fault as it is Domans. The
parallels between Domans situation and Brian Johnsons are striking. And I have
been highly critical of coach Whitt for giving Johnson too much too soon. But at
least you can believe coach Whitt when he speaks of Johnsons potential and
promise as a coach. All of Broncos praise that he heaped on Doman seems like lip
service now . I never understood the lack of forthrightness and honesty that
seems to permeate Broncos program. They like to spin things down there. Which is
just another thing our two programs have in common.Good luck in your
future endeavors Mr. Brandon Doman.
Re: CahoonI'm a big fan of his (watched him for years as a
player since I'm in Canada and watch the CFL), but please do NOT confuse
playing ability with the ability to coach. They are not likely strongly
correlated from a statistical perspective. Same with Ty Detmer. As much as some
of us/you like someone as a player, it does not mean they are the right fit as a
coach.Conversely, just because Jason Beck was not a star
quarterback, does not mean he has not developed into an excellent coach
(I'm a Simon Fraser University graduate - located just outside Vancouver,
BC - the only Canadian university to be part of a U.S. football program)
"Underwhelmed. I heard there was due diligence on Ty Detmer. Would some
D-News reporter care to tell us why he wasn't hired??"Ty
Detmer wasn't hired because he enjoys living in Texas and doesn't want
to leave. Reading between the lines, I think it's pretty obvious he
doesn't want to coach college football. If he did, he would already have a
job somewhere.Those expecting "bigger names" for position
coaches: really? If they were bigger names, they wouldn't be coming to
BYU, or really any university, just to be a position coach. Big names go
somewhere to be an O or D coordinator, or even a head coach. Everybody has to
Really? Coaches from Simon Fraser and UTEP?? I always warn fellow fans when they
start calling for coach's heads that it could be worse. I hope I'm
Quick, wihtout googling one of you experts tell me the names of the qb coaches
at Alabama, Oregon, Notre Dame, and Florida St.Next tell me the
names of the wr coaches at Standford, Texas, West Virginia, and Miami.Can't do it huh? Not even one of them huh?Yea "big
names" are position coaches all over the place other than BYU.
Sounds like Holliday has a pretty decent résumé. Beck, not so much.
But turning a small school's offense from last to first in one year shows 2
things: 1--having a coach who knows what he is doing can make a huge impact on a
team, despite the level of talent among the players, and 2--Beck seems to have
an aptitude as an OC.As I have said before, I was not happy about
the re-hire of Anae, but I am hopeful that he is now more educated and
experienced, and with this staff, will bring this offense up several notches.
With the right coach and barring injury, I am very convinced Taysom
Hill can be one of the great QB's of BYU.
These guys have deeper resumes than did Doman and Cahoon.They hopefully
will not be as green as the former guys.
What we all know is our WRs were not being used well at all. There was for sure
a problem offensively, we all know that. Change is usually needed when things
are consistently poor. Look at how the defense changed when Bronco got rid of
Hill and took over the defense. Not sure about Beck, but I'm so glad we
have an experience WR coach now. The other coach was a great WR, but possibly
just didn't have the coaching experience needed. Now BYU has that, so I
expect our VERY talented WRs to make a huge impact and hopefully BYU will be the
passing offense Anae had them before, and in BYU's amazing passing history.
Words to describe Anae's Offensive Coaching Staff: experienced, tough,
physical, poised passionate, fast, and hard.I'm looking forward
to seeing an offense to match last season's BYU defense emerging under the
tutelage of Anae and his staff.
Some national programs hire national title coaches as assistantsOther WAC regional programs hire from Simon Frazier and utep. Just
gdogHe shouldn't have even been calling plays for an injured
Riley. A fully capable lark sat on the sidelines drinking Gatorade while Nelson
tossed around his signature duck balls with a broken back scoring points for the
other team. The most important thing a coach can have is good judgment. Doman
was a casualty of his own decisions.
Nice... On the offensive side to the ball BYU will face its toughest
schedule ever with 3 coaches who have never coached a down of D1 football... one
of those how has never coached ever.What would possibly go wrong
It's no mistake that Van Noy and Hoffman are returning. I'm sure they
were assured that there would be a better offense this year. Imagine how this
will be with a great defense and a great offense, with each group urging the
other, up and up, and up!I feel we can keep the other team's
scores down and be in every game this year. Then, with a few more
touchdowns...it's going to be exciting!
might be good hires but so was cahoon. let's see how long this lasts.
cont.what evidence do we have to support the problematic line play?
Besides the results, the deterioration of Reynolds draftability, lack of others
recieving any recognition at all, etc.So it may be splitting hairs,
but Brandon did the best he could, playing 6 on 11.
gdog3finallyWest Jordan, UtahI have grown to appreciate your
respectful and balanced view points from "the loyal opposition." I
believe your assesment is off. I think our assesments and opinions, if not
smack talk, need to stand up to examination from several perspectives. For
example:I beleive Bronco to be a man of honor, wanting success for
his team. Others who think he surrounds himself with inferior talent to look
better are crazy. I think we can agree on that. The theory that he allowed a
"man crush" on Riley to cloud his judgement is at least possible, but
equally unlikely.So I, at least, start with the propostition that
somehow, Bronco honestly beleived Riley was the best chance to win.How can that be? I think only if and because the line play had deteriorated so
gdog3finally; I like Doman too and Riley as well, but Doman created the problem
with Riley. I know a lot of people thought it was Bronco's love affair with
Riley but Doman pushed Bronco to those decisions. So if Doman had no plays to
call he had only himself to blame, oh and a poorly coached o-line.
I went to high school with Cahoon so maybe I am biased. Besides being a great
guy, the dude was born to play receiver. Look at his wiki page, he has been
nothing but extraordinary at receiver since high school. Have you seen his
career stats?! The guy was arguably the best receiver to ever play in the CFL
and Bronco lets him go and lets Anae hire this new guy know one has ever heard
of??? There is no way that anyone knows more about the receiver position and
getting the most out of your abilities than Cahoon-which at BYU is huge as we
seem to be the Kings of signing the two star athlete. I'm seriously
wondering if Bronco knows what he is doing. We bring back Robert Anae??
It's laughable. They are going the wrong direction. The only solace I can
take is how horrible the Yewts are in all their sports.
If Beck's coaching ability is a great as his character, we are in for a
treat. It was impressive that when he was a senior back-up to John Beck, he
volunteered to step down so that Max Hall could be the backup and gain more
experience. No ego here.
Underwhelmed. I heard there was due diligence on Ty Detmer. Would some D-News
reporter care to tell us why he wasn't hired??
Let's not forget. The system was broken on the offensive side of the ball,
especially the O-line. Change was needed, no matter how painful it is. BYU
football is big business, just like any business. It is results driven.
Hopefully, Doman, Cahoon, and Dupaix land on their feet somewhere. The bottom
line - they did not get the job done. I really like the hire of Guy Holliday.
Not sure about Jason Beck. All of us need to remember that some of the greatest
coaches ever were never outstanding players on the field, they were students of
the game on the bench.
GoodGuyGaryHouston, TXWhere is Brandon Doman?Start looking under the buses around happy valley. Regardless of how you
felt about the job he did, that was just a poor way to treat a legacy besides
being just plain weird. Good luck to the new guys. Given the fickle
history of tds, I'm sure they'll soon be looking over their shoulders
It's too early to make an assessment but I'm still nervous about the
future. Not exactly the kind of marquee names that would make a recruit excited
to jump at the chance to come play at BYU but we'll see. I'm dying
for this program to start winning and do it on a consistent basis, especially
against top competition. I'm tired of the incessant ridicule and abuse
from those who loathe and hate everything BYU. I know, I know. Nothing
probably will make them stop but at least winning will render their vile and
venomous rantings moot and meaningless.In regard to Doman, why the
silence on his whereabouts, Bronco? You spoke so highly of the man before and
now he's been discarded with nada a word? Hope he's not bitter. I
also wish him well wherever his future leads him. I feel bad for him and all
the other guys that were let go. I'm sorry things didn't work out
because they were all fine men who tried their best. I wish them all the best!
According to Doman on the local sports talk radio he wanted to stay ay BYU but
bronco announced on dining day it was a mutual decision to leave. Didn't
sound that way from Doman
I'll miss Doman, Cahoon, and DuPaix, but I believe that Anae has assembled
an excellent offensive staff and BYU's offense will be vastly improved next
season.Good luck in the coming season Cougars!
If they are as good coaching as their stats as reported in this article
indicate, it looks very good. I wish them and team well this coming year.
Hopefully, injuries will not plague the team this year. If the team escapes
spring practice without losing players to injuries, BYU should perform very
well. Good luck, guys. Looking forward to a great year.
It seems these new assistants are not the quality of Cahoon or Dupaix but what
is important is how they work with and for Anae. For the latter (Anae) is the
main hire and addition to the coaching staff replacing Doman. The
move to Anae should be exciting for the same Cougar fans that wished him gone a
few years back. But I still feel bad for Doman though nonetheless. I mean the
offense was awful under him but what plays was he supposed to call for Riley
Nelson? The limitations at the QB position was a huge disadvantage for an OC. I
am not trying to bag on Nelson, I like the kid and thought there was a place for
him on the field, just NOT at QB.
It is interesting that nobody ever gave an official announcement about Doman.
Did he resign? Was he let go? Will he stay at BYU in some other capacity?
Harmon reported that he cleaned out his office and then there was silence.Like the others, I don't know much about either coach. Earlier in
the day, another media outlet reported that it would be Beck and Clark.
Oops.As one of many fans who knew we needed change on the O side of
the ball, I guess we got our wish. Hopefully we will be happy with the results
in 2013. I'm not expecting 50 points a game next year, but I am hoping for
4 more points against Utah and Notre Dame and 2 more points against Boise State.
Both sound like great hires. Hopefully they come to Provo hungry and driven to
take this program to the next level. Big name coaches are great, but every big
name coach has to start somewhere. If this coaching staff can develop some
consistency and chemistry along with an effective and efficient offensive system
to compliment the strong defense. The BYU brand could go from good to great.
Either way, I am excited to see what the staff puts on the field August 31st.
Where is Brandon Doman?
Simon Fraser University? Um. Where is it located at? I trust/hope these are good
hires. Only time will tell, but at least the background of both doesn't
illicit a great deal of excitement from me. These are the two best candidates
who applied for the positions? Hmmm.
I'm Glad those positions were filled. Still a little upset that Cahoon had
to leave BYU, but I know Bronco and Robert have the best interests of BYU
football moving forward
Sounds good...hope it is good.