Bill would make it a crime to share concealed weapons permit data with feds


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  • mcdugall Layton, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    This should be considered public information, just like marriage, divorce, and criminal record information.

  • travelrus murray, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    Practically every day we hear about a shooting whether an accident, suicide, murder, murder/suicide, road rage, a gun used in a crime, or the tragedy when a child gets a hold of a supposedly responsible gun owner’s gun. More guns in our communities means more people will die from a gun shot.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Re: Adamgale,

    Read Article IV. It's called the supremacy clause. Perhaps before admonishing others to read something, you should do it yourself. It would have helped prevent the good folk in La Verkin from the paranoia that called them to pass a meaningless resolution that withdrew them from the UN. (Hint: the city can't withdraw from something they never signed into).

  • Wanderer West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Correction: My comment was directed at HB 317.

  • Wanderer West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Re the suggestion to do away with the Electoral College: It may be archaic, but it protects the small states, like Utah. If popular vote only, then elections will be decided only by large population states, such as California, New York, Ohio. The rest of us won't have a vote worth mentioning.

    As for this LaPierre gun law, a bunch of nonsense. Kind of like a chicken trying to strut how important he thinks he is, but no one else cares.

  • hnoel Layton, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    Or they could use the information to fight crime and bring felons to justice.

  • Harley Rider Small Town, CT
    Feb. 18, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    HB317, sponsored by Rep. Jacob Anderegg is a Awesome piece of Legislation. This is a rare politician that understands what's really going on in this country

    Due to the media and our agenda-fied Politicians the sheep believe that Gun control is needed to save us. When in fact the total opposite approach is needed. More Guns in the hands of well trained citizens. Bring back Gun Safety Classes to our schools, starting in kindergarden thru High School, like Switzerland does

    End the ineffective Gun Safety Zones - do these left legislators really believe that an out of control crazed individual is going to see a Gun Safe Zone sign and say OOPs I can't go in here and shoot up the place. Unfortunately this has been proven to have cost many lives, because a well trained individual had to leave their gun locked in the trunk of their car.

    Chicago got rid of all the guns - Murder rate sky rocketed - Violet Crime Sky rocketed

    Guns can & do save lives and if States started to offer wide spread gun education with graduation into conceal carry - watch crime go way way down

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    Unfortunately its come to this. It would be ideal
    if states and the federal government could
    cooperate. But with the federal government
    wanting to confiscate guns from law abiding
    citizens against their own constitution, sharing
    gun data isn't an option.

    I hope this bill passes and our governor doesn't
    veto it.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    It's pretty simple, if Utah issues CCP across state lines (and it does) doesn't that make it the Feds business?

  • adamgale La Verkin, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 12:54 a.m.

    To the gentleman that stated federal law trumps state law. This is patently false. Have you perhaps read the Constitution? The federal government only has a set of laws it can enforce, you see the 10th amendment protects the states from Feds overreaching. Please pick up a Constitution near you and actually read it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    Elcapitan -- if he was trained in Utah, he probably never had any instruction in safe handling. To obtain a CCP in Utah, one need not ever even touch a gun in class.

    And your comment about the NRA is complete and utter nonsense.

  • mightyhunterhaha Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Oh my word can we get these zealots out of office. They are wasting tax payer dollars. Let's focus on what is really important. The gun issue is a non issue. STOP IT!

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 5:50 a.m.

    The person in the picture is untrained in safe pistol handling. His finger is already on the trigger and that is dangerous gun handling in the case of any kind of weopen. He was not likely trained by an NRA certified insturctor.

    Yes, pass the law. Require the state to abide and prevent the anti second amendment people from further "infringing" on the right of law abiding citizens the keep and bear arms. It has always been othe mission of the NRA and Mr. La Pierre to defend this right and teach all citizens how to enjoy the safe use of firearms. It is the NRA who stands between careless and criminal use of firearms and the citizens of this country. That is their job and the reason the organization exists. Be thankful they have that mission to perform, even you anti gun people.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    This is a good bill and I hope it becomes law. Given that the federal government is trying to deny us our 2nd Ammendment rights, its reasonable that our state government try to protect us.

    I also want to add that there is a movement we give up the electoral college and elect presidents by popular vote. Small states are more likely to elect people who will support the Second Ammendment. Given this, we ought to oppose getting rid of the electoral college.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 16, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    Federal law trumps state law, period! Doesn't matter what you pass!

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    Feb. 16, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    Once again, paranoia dictates the Utah Legislature's priorities.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Probably, sorry did not catch the auto correct.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Sorry Jacob but if it looks like and smells like a conspiracy theory it propagate is, but lets go ahead and waist the people's time and money on another unenforceable law.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    Can the incredible STUPIDITY of our legislators become any more stupid?

    I'm afraid the answer is probably YES.

    Some of them are at least as insane as Wayne LaPierre.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Pass the bill now. It's the right thing to do and any thing that sticks a finger in Obama's and his bunch eye works for me.

    I love my Country Its the Government that scares me.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Feb. 16, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Before voting on things like this perhaps the Utah Legislature should first give Notice to the Federal Government that the State will no longer accept Federal Money for any reason? Be consistent, boys.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 4:39 a.m.

    I hope this resolve is with merit and conviction of belief in civil rights to defend this right with their lives and convictions. It time to put the pressure on public officials to stand by their nation and duty to country and freedoms as representation with honest merit. Just as soldiers defend this country from invasion abroad, it is up to the militia and civilians to defend this country at home from everything else.

    There is only one recourse to avoid this and that is make concealed carry permits not required in Utah and burn the current list and records under the supervision of oversight watchdogs.

    Unless you are public servants as police, military, or federal employees or spy agency affiliated, register public workers and weapons, not the free citizens. Citizens were emancipated in 1865 by president Lincoln and Constitutional amendment and registering people by race or affiliation became illegal.

    The Constitution allows the registration of public employees armed or not by contract required as public information and duty of service.

  • Cougar on The Hill Midvale, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 8:07 p.m.

    I certainly hope this bill passes. There's no need to expose those with concealed carry permits, they're not the problem. Lets keep the concealed permit holder's information concealed.