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Published: Friday, Feb. 15 2013 6:25 p.m. MST

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

If we are goint to have a line for people to come to this country we can't reward people that bypass the line. We do need to treat them as people.

hubbardesquire
Alabaster, Alabama

Much of Alabama anti-illegal immigration law has been upheld by the federal trial and appellate courts. Alabama's law is much like Arizona's law, if not tougher. So, it is clear that the State of Utah will surely win and prevail on appeal should the federal trial court rule against Utah's law.

wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

The penalty for employers of illegal aliens should be mandatory sentences of $15,000 fines per illegal worker and 2 years in jail without parole per illegal worker. That and deportation of the illegal workers would put an immediate end to the problem.

That is all the reform we need.

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

Tears, that good, it shows how heartless we are in having law and order and rules of procedure and inalienable rights to stop these criminals in their tracks. Of course it helps criminals when you have news media, law enforcement departments, and mayors endorsing their crimes with liberal funding and welfare endorsing criminal lives to occupy and oppose sovereign rights against the Untied States.

No where in any law has shier ocuupy8ing and imaginary rights been grantee under the Constitution of the United States, its people (citizens), or legislation.

Cry all they want, they are criminals and its time to revoke any citizenship of the US to any of their children in perpetuity or heritage. We demand respect from illegal aliens as they think they deserve from the amreican people. Rights? They do not have any and should be transferred to military confinement for deprotation.

Then there is the fact that "illegal" immigrant does not exist in fact or fiction. There is only one kind of immigration, documented, medically examined to request entry. Breaching borders by force is not immigration by any definition, that act is invasion and criminal and if caught you become a POW.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Okay, feds, you will not let Utah enforce our law which applies only within the borders of Utah to deal with problems that are the direct result of the federal government failing, or more accurately, REFUSING to enforce existing, valid, Constitutional federal laws.

Are we a country of laws or not? If so, then federal executive branch officials are incompetent, or negligently, or deliberately failing to perform their duties. That should be grounds for firing, impeachment, or prosecution for treason. This cannot be tolerated!

If we are not a country of laws, and flouting of federal laws and failure to perform legal duties is perfectly okay, then all of us citizen are under no obligation to bother with all that paperwork and check writing on April 15th.

Bravo to the brave Utah legislators, and the Governor, for attempting to implement a very practical and appropriate solution to a very real and increasingly detrimental problem.

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

One of the pillars of American "exceptionalism" is that we are a nation of law and order. We say "no" to practices that help us in the short-run, but damage our system through their corrosiveness over time. So we say "no" to bribery, and "no" to bleeding heart arguments that encourage lawless behavior, and we should say "no" to those who broke the law by coming here and staying illegally. If we want to change the system, great. But do not give illegals a leg up over those who want to be here just as much but have not come and stayed because they could not do so legally. Allowing folks to do an end-run on the law, and then be rewarded for that behavior ahead of those who went the legal route, is not consistent with our values. We honor and sustain the law of the land. We don't undermine it to advance the cause of one group of people and in the process, undermine another group who just happen to have a quieter voice.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@Utah_1:
"If we are goint to have a line for people to come to this country we can't reward people that bypass the line. We do need to treat them as people."

We need to tread them as law breakers... which is what they are. They need to get in line behind others who've done it right and are patiently waiting their turn.

And we need to assure that we are getting a mix of immigrants from around the world. As it now stands were are getting an over abundance of people from south of our border which is adversely affecting our political process.

IJ
Hyrum, Ut

She said the law is tearing families apart. I would submit that it is the illegal who is doing it to their own family. They know (or should) know the laws and realize that if they are caught the responsibility for thier actions rests on them and them alone and has nothing to do with the laws that are passed to protect society from criminals.

bricha
lehi, ut

The way I look at it, i don't see why we have to close the borders at all (I am a staunch conservative in most sense mind you). If you have ever been to the poor part of town of some of these countries (I have) it absolutely breaks your heart. It seems very heartless to me to say others can share in the beauty and wealth that we have, especially as we type on our nice computers in our mansions.

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

If I am pulled over for a traffic violation (e.g. speeding), I am required to show proof of insurance and a valid drivers license. It is not a racist request by the officer, merely a request to see if I am following the law by being properly licensed and insured.

If you are here illegally, and have forged documents, do not have a valid form of government issued identification, and are pulled over or arrested for committing a crime/violation of the law, it is NOT racist to ask for valid ID. It is simply doing the job that the official is being paid to do. And if the person is here illegally, it is NOT racist, mean or unkind to deport this individual back to their country. It is the law. And respect for law and order is one of the characteristics of this country that make it great.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@bricha
The compassion argument you put forth does not hold water because:
1) We issue one million green cards a year, even in a recession.
2) Over 60% of those green cards go to relatives of people already here, in complete disregard of the future immigrants clamoring to come here based on the skills they can offer our nation.
3) Given the poverty around the world immigration can in no way solve the problem; it would only destroy our ability to help. See Roy Beck's Gumballs presentation.
4) Our social safety net is open to immigrants, even at a time when we don't have enough for our own.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@bricha:
"If you have ever been to the poor part of town of some of these countries (I have) it absolutely breaks your heart."

The world is full of poor and indigent... we can't take them all in. So we must be fair and give those who do it the right way first chance. Illegals aren't doing it the right way.

"It seems very heartless to me to say others can share in the beauty and wealth that we have, especially as we type on our nice computers in our mansions."

What's heartless is illegals taking Americans' jobs while our people sit home sucking up unemployment benefits by the billions which we don't have... for as much as 99 months. Besides, illegals work for what they can get which has the net effect of depressing American wages and puts American workers who do have jobs, way below the poverty line.

I would be in favor of abolishing certain laws. There's alotta cash in the local bank that I could use. What we need is to abolish laws that make robbing banks a crime. It's only fair. Then, perhaps illegals could rob banks as well.

Alfred
Ogden, UT

@carman: "it is NOT racist to ask for valid ID."

Carman, you don't understand. Any time you confront a minority in any way such as asking for ID, it's harassment and racist.

@Say No to BO: "See Roy Beck's Gumballs presentation."

Glad you brought 'Immigration Gumballs' up, BO. It can be found on YouTube. It's a well presented and shocking presentation of what WILL happen if we don't clamp down on immigration (illegal or otherwise) and soon, it may already be too late.

We also issue millions of visas, which is a contributing factor to our immigration problem. One that our law makers refuse to analyze. About 43% of visa holders come but overstay. This has to change. We need to limit visas to people other than those from countries to our South to make it fair to others around the world who would like to come here to work or go to school.

SLars
Provo, UT

Let's start having compassion for Americans.

snowman
Provo, UT

If they are here illegally, they have no rights

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

Alfred,

Believe me, I do understand. When a police officer pulls me over for breaking the law, and asks for identification, it is almost certainly NOT racism (unless the officer is biased against those of northern European heritage). Similarly, if someone who is NOT of northern European heritage is pulled over for breaking the law, it is NOT racism. It is the officer doing his/her job just like they were with me. The officer will ask me and everyone else, regardless of race, for identification.

Now if the officer is profiling, or asking for I.D. from someone who is not breaking the law, this "could" be racism. But when someone is clearly breaking the law, and is asked to present valid I.D., regardless of the heritage, this most certainly is NOT racism.

Those who want to paint ANY form of request for ID as racism have an agenda. Maybe they sympathize with the plight of someone who has chosen to be here illegally, or with the child/children that they brought here illegally. I get that. But simply asking for ID from someone who has broken the law is called due process, not racism.

SpanishImmersed
Mesa, AZ

But what about all the cantaloupes and strawberries in the fields of central California? How about the skilled scaffold-builders and insulators earning 28 to 42 dollars an hour in our nations oil refineries? Those illegally here just aren't picking fruit. They are integrated into our economy, our welfare system, our tax system, and our election process.

Indeed a web of deceit of folks coming illegally, employers hiring them, and a bureaucracy protecting them through inaction.

AmericanPride
Phoenix, Arizona

Utah is very family friendly and this law proves it. It will protect good law abiding families (American citizens and LEGAL residents) from the 3rd world lawlessness of the illegal alien invaders.
People who don't respect our immigration laws and borders don't respect our country and people. Those people don't deserve any part of the American Dream and neither do their children. Yes, immigrants built our country and made it great because they loved and respected our country and people. Illegal aliens are not immigrants. They are trespassers at best and invaders in many cases. They don't have that love and respect. That is what has brought about the destruction the very fiber of our country... the fiber that made us great. We need laws like this to stop it.
Come here legally and we'll embrace you. Disrespect us by coming here illegally and we'll make you pay.

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