If we are goint to have a line for people to come to this country we can't
reward people that bypass the line. We do need to treat them as people.
Much of Alabama anti-illegal immigration law has been upheld by the federal
trial and appellate courts. Alabama's law is much like Arizona's law,
if not tougher. So, it is clear that the State of Utah will surely win and
prevail on appeal should the federal trial court rule against Utah's law.
The penalty for employers of illegal aliens should be mandatory sentences of
$15,000 fines per illegal worker and 2 years in jail without parole per illegal
worker. That and deportation of the illegal workers would put an immediate end
to the problem.That is all the reform we need.
Tears, that good, it shows how heartless we are in having law and order and
rules of procedure and inalienable rights to stop these criminals in their
tracks. Of course it helps criminals when you have news media, law enforcement
departments, and mayors endorsing their crimes with liberal funding and welfare
endorsing criminal lives to occupy and oppose sovereign rights against the
Untied States.No where in any law has shier ocuupy8ing and imaginary
rights been grantee under the Constitution of the United States, its people
(citizens), or legislation.Cry all they want, they are criminals and
its time to revoke any citizenship of the US to any of their children in
perpetuity or heritage. We demand respect from illegal aliens as they think they
deserve from the amreican people. Rights? They do not have any and should be
transferred to military confinement for deprotation.Then there is
the fact that "illegal" immigrant does not exist in fact or fiction.
There is only one kind of immigration, documented, medically examined to request
entry. Breaching borders by force is not immigration by any definition, that act
is invasion and criminal and if caught you become a POW.
Okay, feds, you will not let Utah enforce our law which applies only within the
borders of Utah to deal with problems that are the direct result of the federal
government failing, or more accurately, REFUSING to enforce existing, valid,
Constitutional federal laws.Are we a country of laws or not? If so,
then federal executive branch officials are incompetent, or negligently, or
deliberately failing to perform their duties. That should be grounds for
firing, impeachment, or prosecution for treason. This cannot be tolerated!If we are not a country of laws, and flouting of federal laws and
failure to perform legal duties is perfectly okay, then all of us citizen are
under no obligation to bother with all that paperwork and check writing on April
15th.Bravo to the brave Utah legislators, and the Governor, for
attempting to implement a very practical and appropriate solution to a very real
and increasingly detrimental problem.
One of the pillars of American "exceptionalism" is that we are a nation
of law and order. We say "no" to practices that help us in the
short-run, but damage our system through their corrosiveness over time. So we
say "no" to bribery, and "no" to bleeding heart arguments that
encourage lawless behavior, and we should say "no" to those who broke
the law by coming here and staying illegally. If we want to change the system,
great. But do not give illegals a leg up over those who want to be here just as
much but have not come and stayed because they could not do so legally.
Allowing folks to do an end-run on the law, and then be rewarded for that
behavior ahead of those who went the legal route, is not consistent with our
values. We honor and sustain the law of the land. We don't undermine it
to advance the cause of one group of people and in the process, undermine
another group who just happen to have a quieter voice.
@Utah_1:"If we are goint to have a line for people to come to this
country we can't reward people that bypass the line. We do need to treat
them as people."We need to tread them as law breakers... which
is what they are. They need to get in line behind others who've done it
right and are patiently waiting their turn.And we need to assure
that we are getting a mix of immigrants from around the world. As it now stands
were are getting an over abundance of people from south of our border which is
adversely affecting our political process.
She said the law is tearing families apart. I would submit that it is the
illegal who is doing it to their own family. They know (or should) know the
laws and realize that if they are caught the responsibility for thier actions
rests on them and them alone and has nothing to do with the laws that are passed
to protect society from criminals.
The way I look at it, i don't see why we have to close the borders at all
(I am a staunch conservative in most sense mind you). If you have ever been to
the poor part of town of some of these countries (I have) it absolutely breaks
your heart. It seems very heartless to me to say others can share in the beauty
and wealth that we have, especially as we type on our nice computers in our
If I am pulled over for a traffic violation (e.g. speeding), I am required to
show proof of insurance and a valid drivers license. It is not a racist request
by the officer, merely a request to see if I am following the law by being
properly licensed and insured.If you are here illegally, and have
forged documents, do not have a valid form of government issued identification,
and are pulled over or arrested for committing a crime/violation of the law, it
is NOT racist to ask for valid ID. It is simply doing the job that the official
is being paid to do. And if the person is here illegally, it is NOT racist,
mean or unkind to deport this individual back to their country. It is the law.
And respect for law and order is one of the characteristics of this country that
make it great.
@brichaThe compassion argument you put forth does not hold water
because:1) We issue one million green cards a year, even in a
recession.2) Over 60% of those green cards go to relatives of people
already here, in complete disregard of the future immigrants clamoring to come
here based on the skills they can offer our nation.3) Given the poverty
around the world immigration can in no way solve the problem; it would only
destroy our ability to help. See Roy Beck's Gumballs presentation.4)
Our social safety net is open to immigrants, even at a time when we don't
have enough for our own.
@bricha:"If you have ever been to the poor part of town of some of
these countries (I have) it absolutely breaks your heart."The
world is full of poor and indigent... we can't take them all in. So we
must be fair and give those who do it the right way first chance. Illegals
aren't doing it the right way."It seems very heartless to
me to say others can share in the beauty and wealth that we have, especially as
we type on our nice computers in our mansions."What's
heartless is illegals taking Americans' jobs while our people sit home
sucking up unemployment benefits by the billions which we don't have... for
as much as 99 months. Besides, illegals work for what they can get which has
the net effect of depressing American wages and puts American workers who do
have jobs, way below the poverty line.I would be in favor of
abolishing certain laws. There's alotta cash in the local bank that I
could use. What we need is to abolish laws that make robbing banks a crime.
It's only fair. Then, perhaps illegals could rob banks as well.
@carman: "it is NOT racist to ask for valid ID."Carman, you
don't understand. Any time you confront a minority in any way such as
asking for ID, it's harassment and racist.@Say No to BO:
"See Roy Beck's Gumballs presentation."Glad you brought
'Immigration Gumballs' up, BO. It can be found on YouTube. It's
a well presented and shocking presentation of what WILL happen if we don't
clamp down on immigration (illegal or otherwise) and soon, it may already be too
late.We also issue millions of visas, which is a contributing factor
to our immigration problem. One that our law makers refuse to analyze. About
43% of visa holders come but overstay. This has to change. We need to limit
visas to people other than those from countries to our South to make it fair to
others around the world who would like to come here to work or go to school.
Let's start having compassion for Americans.
If they are here illegally, they have no rights
Alfred,Believe me, I do understand. When a police officer pulls me
over for breaking the law, and asks for identification, it is almost certainly
NOT racism (unless the officer is biased against those of northern European
heritage). Similarly, if someone who is NOT of northern European heritage is
pulled over for breaking the law, it is NOT racism. It is the officer doing
his/her job just like they were with me. The officer will ask me and everyone
else, regardless of race, for identification.Now if the officer is
profiling, or asking for I.D. from someone who is not breaking the law, this
"could" be racism. But when someone is clearly breaking the law, and is
asked to present valid I.D., regardless of the heritage, this most certainly is
NOT racism.Those who want to paint ANY form of request for ID as
racism have an agenda. Maybe they sympathize with the plight of someone who has
chosen to be here illegally, or with the child/children that they brought here
illegally. I get that. But simply asking for ID from someone who has broken
the law is called due process, not racism.
But what about all the cantaloupes and strawberries in the fields of central
California? How about the skilled scaffold-builders and insulators earning 28
to 42 dollars an hour in our nations oil refineries? Those illegally here just
aren't picking fruit. They are integrated into our economy, our welfare
system, our tax system, and our election process.Indeed a web of
deceit of folks coming illegally, employers hiring them, and a bureaucracy
protecting them through inaction.
Utah is very family friendly and this law proves it. It will protect good law
abiding families (American citizens and LEGAL residents) from the 3rd world
lawlessness of the illegal alien invaders. People who don't respect
our immigration laws and borders don't respect our country and people.
Those people don't deserve any part of the American Dream and neither do
their children. Yes, immigrants built our country and made it great because they
loved and respected our country and people. Illegal aliens are not immigrants.
They are trespassers at best and invaders in many cases. They don't have
that love and respect. That is what has brought about the destruction the very
fiber of our country... the fiber that made us great. We need laws like this to
stop it.Come here legally and we'll embrace you. Disrespect us by
coming here illegally and we'll make you pay.