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Published: Friday, Feb. 15 2013 12:35 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Places sounds more achaic than utah

Mukkake
Salt Lake City, UT

[Methods under consideration include blocking access to pornographic website addresses and making it illegal to use Icelandic credit cards to access pay-per-view pornography.]

VPN, torrents, and Paypal. That's why this idea won't work.

I'm sure many Icelanders already use these services, so it won't be a stretch for them to get around this nonsense. They're all really easy to use.

This won't stop or prevent anything, except to make Iceland less competitive.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

Good for Iceland and all it's people. I sincerely hope other democracies follow suit before long. There are no valid arguments against the claim that pornography hurts our society. It's been proven in study after study that people can and do get addicted to it. It's been statistically shown that porn plays a significant factor in many divorces, thereby hurting not just the participants, but their marriages, families and children. I've heard of people getting fired from their jobs for watching porn on company time and computers.
The argument that allowing porn is a right of free speech is extremely weak. Pornography essentially didn't exist when the 1st Amendment was created. Common sense dictates that no one has the right to hurt other individuals or societies. And porn does exactly that. To any objective person, there should be no if's, and's, or but's. No question at all. Too many prominent studies have verified the facts to claim otherwise.
Kudos to Iceland's leaders and it's people. You are truly an advancing society. Hopefully, other industrialized countries will take note of the benefits you'll soon enjoy, and follow in your footsteps.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

To Chris B.

If you truly dislike Utah so much (this isn't your first comment criticizing it, without ever offering any objective suggestions to make positive changes), then why don't you move away to to someplace more to your liking? There is no law keeping you here. I would even be willing to come and help you pack.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Every country that cares about the safety of its women and children must follow Iceland's lead immediately. Indeed, every study ever published has shown that the vast and overwhelming majority of sex offenders began their descent into deviancy by viewing pornography.

What is more important: allowing deviants the few moments of pleasure they get from viewing pornography or the protection of women and children? Obviously, safety is the only thing of importance here.

Iceland has simply decided that it doesn't want sexual violence, broken homes, disease, and the other insidious side effects of pornography. Other nations should follow this courageous lead.

GQ Monkee
Cottonwood Heights, UT

While people can and will always find ways to skirt laws, especially where internet blocks are concerned, I see this having a powerful effect on curbing children's access to pornography. Free speech vs. Censorship is a bigger issue for me than the ability one has to block something once it has been banned. Let those who will seek it out find their virtual back alleys. Let their economy be "less competitive." I'd love to live in a world where people can't get away with putting this into the lives of my children.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

@Chris. So you think it's archaic to want your children to grow up in a porn free society?

SammyB
Provo, UT

A lot of people are afraid to stand up against problems like pornography because we are trained in our college psych classes that Freud insisted that people who fight against pornography secretly desire to view it and have bad sex lives.

When I argued against this in my psych class, citing how disturbing my small children found some of the magazines displayed while we waited in grocery lines, my professor railed against me. We spent most of the class going back and forth and finally, when she didn't have a leg to stand on, she said, "Fine. Maybe you personally don't have this problem, but what Freud would say is that you are simply in denial."

Many people don't realize they are being manipulated and corralled into group think through these measures. The studies are decisive; pornography hurts people.

Mukkake
Salt Lake City, UT

Tators:
[Pornography essentially didn't exist when the 1st Amendment was created.]

You're not really familiar with art history, are you? People just had to paint and carve their porn. As such, they tended to "overemphasize" certain things.

[then why don't you move away to to someplace more to your liking?]

That's like saying Martin Luther King, Jr. should have moved out of The South. Its our responsibility as citizens to identify problems in and improve our communities, isn't it?

GQ Monkee:
[I see this having a powerful effect on curbing children's access to pornography. Free speech vs. Censorship is a bigger issue for me than the ability one has to block something once it has been banned. Let those who will seek it out find their virtual back alleys.]

It isn't that hard to skirt these laws and the techniques used are by no means "virtual back alleys". More so, its most often children and teens who have the knowledge/skills to easily use these methods.

So essentially Iceland is trying to outlaw internet pornography for older generations, and keep it available for the younger generations.

Sjense90
SANDY, UT

I agree with discouraging porn and admire the goodwill efforts of legislators who are attempting to tackle this issue. But from a purely lds perspective, to a certain degree isn't this acting upon people? Legislation may be able to try and play big brother by Internet filters etc. but for how long? Where would the bans end? Who decides what is and isn't worthy of banning? If people want to view these things they'll find a way to do it. Government could theoretically take the porn away from people but it fails to tackle the lusty roots of the real issue. We're looking to take people out of the slums here. Take the slums out of people and they will take themselves out of the slums.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

I at first applauded government efforts to ban smoking. But then, with a little research I found out that those efforts had more to do with politics than health. I still hate the smell of smoke, but wonder at the cost of freedom.

There have been and are now many laws being pushed that are touted by politicians and a compliant media as "common sense". Does common sense need to be legislated? Since when? Why?

Shouldn't it be my right to wear a seat belt, smoke, ride a bicycle, use a barbeque, light off fireworks, hike along an unmarked trail, eat cookies, roller skate, start a business, etc.? From the moment we're born, there are everyday choices and associated risks we face. And our falling, getting hurt, and making mistakes are all lessons we learn from.

On face value, I fully support governmental actions to make porn illegal. But what gets defined as porn and who makes that call? There is a lot of art work that contains nudity. Is that porn? I believe that any visual depiction of sexual activity is porn. But even this newspaper advertises that.

Be careful on this one.

merich39
Salt Lake City, UT

Sounds like Iceland doesn't have a 1st Amendment.

El Chango Supremo
Rexburg, ID

What does porn have to do with the 1st amendment. It's not speech!

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Muk,

So folks arguing for pornography are like civil rights marchers?

Pornography improves communities?

I feel as if I have walked through the looking glass.

MapleDon,

As to whether it is your right to decide to wear a seat belt, smoke, ride a bicycle (presumably without a helmet), light off fireworks, hike along an unmarked trail, etc., etc.

Sure it is.

As long as should any of you ever hurt doing these things, you will NEVER seek help from the rest of us (via insurance premiums, charity or taxes) to help pay for medical care, medicine, or to provide for your family in any way (assuming your inability to do so in any way relates to the injury sustained). Further, that should you or they be offered help, you will all refuse it.

If you and yours will sign an unbreakable permanent contract to that effect, then no problem.

The reason we have such laws is because society is tired of taking care of those whose reckless behavior causes them to need our help. Sure, they SAY it won’t happen but it always does. They need an operation, medicine, help for the kids, food, whatever.

Austin Coug
Pflugerville, TX

Pornography has not redeeming value and destroys families. Good for iceland.

happylife
OREM, UT

I want to move to Iceland

Monsieur le prof
Sandy, UT

It's refreshing to see that the people of Iceland have family values and the moral courage to stand up to the evils of today's society. The world would be a better place without pornography and its inherent problems. Unfortunately, American society has slipped into the morass of political correctness and false definitions of freedom of expression. I don't think any of our founding fathers could have possible fathomed the depths of vulgarity and exploitive filth that are now expressed freely on the internet and elsewhere.

junkgeek
Agua Dulce, TX

If they can block pornography, then they can block religion and political views.

Be careful what you wish for in the name of saving society from itself.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The argument that allowing porn is a right of free speech is extremely weak. Pornography essentially didn't exist when the 1st Amendment was created"

I find it ironic the lengths people will go to justify what they want the govt to do.

Pornography didn't exist? Really? Maybe not in full color magazines or TV or internet, but be certain that it existed. It always has.

Those that use this logic are blind to the same arguments when talking about guns.

Nayajja
Ephraim, UT

Aggielove said:
"People that use porn are truly bad people. Sorry, but they are. Good people don't have drive to watch that stuff. Don't make excuses for the folks that do this."

If only it were true that only "bad" people used porn.

The little children that get caught in this at age 9 and 10 are not bad people. But they do mold their developing brains and develop a physical addiction of the same type and as real as if they were using meth.

If we as a society cannot defend our children against drug dealers and their virtual counterparts--porn dealers--we will pay a terrible price. We in fact are paying it right now.

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