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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 13 2013 6:20 p.m. MST

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So. Cal Reader
San Diego, CA

@ Esquire "They just haven't been able to pull it together. I'm convinced it is a mental thing. Too many who haven't transitioned from their missions?"

Esquire, I don't think it's been too many not transitioning from their missions, because that really only pertains to Haws. Davies is almost a non-presence in his senior leadership. He's the team captain, but I just don't see him as a leader at all. Zylstra has been a huge drop off from the spark he provided last season. Although he's done decent in conf play, Carlino still has not been the consistent player the team needs and plays out of control too often. And with Austin and Sharp, I've seen pop sickle sticks bigger. Other than Haws, all the others were on the non-Jimmer team last year who went to the NCAA Tourney and won in their play-in game against Iona. Look at the senior leadership Hartsock provided last season. That's definitely missing, and is Haws fitting in well with the personnel around him? That's not Haws' fault. He simply looks like a fish out of water out there.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

ogmson

"Right now the odds of Kyle coming back to play ball is Provo is about 10%."

You missed a zero there; the odds are more like 100%.

"Until the coaches figure out how to handle the loss of Rice, and get their Coaching up to par, our recruiting class of both recruits and returning missionaries is going to look a whole lot different than what we think."

It's obvious that it's a whole lot different than what you think. ESPN ranks BYU's 2013 recruiting class #15 in the country, including TWO ESPN Top 100 recruits. Rice is a good coach, but he's only 5-5 in the MWC this year, having lost games at New Mexico, Colorado St., Boise St., and Fresno St. And, he lost at home last night to good, but not great, Air Force.

"I for one won't pay the extortion for tickets that I did this year."

What extortion? BYU season ticket prices are quite reasonable. We had season tickets a mid-court, and didn't pay an arm-and-a-leg for them.

cal cougar
camarillo, CA

Wow, someone finally bringing up our core problems on the team. Lack of physical play leading to over usage of the 3 pointer. Curious why Dave still does not play Kaufusi. I have mentioned this on every one of my posts. I could swear this guy has been reading my posts. Second, is to quit whining and get even. How do you combat the bully. Get meaner and tougher and do not whine. Read "Flashback". He explains how to get back without the whining.

rafinsure
Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00

I said this in another post, but I'm going to say it again. Bay area and LA ball are very different than Mountain West ball. It's more aggressive and players like to see what the referees' limits are as well. Sacramento area high school teams get clobbered by Bay area teams specifically for the latter reason. Coach Rose is going to have to adjust his players to this style of play or recruit differently. Second, losing Rogers and Collinsworth was huge. Davies is the only big man with any skill on the team, but he's inconsistent and not very patient. Third, people are blaming the refs, but it's not the refs. The Cougs need to get used to this style of play. Third, Coach Rose did not do a very good job at mining the junior colleges to find players to take Collinsworth and Rogers' places. None of them had proven themselves at the JC level. Their JC stats weren't very impressive. Finally, the Cougs this year outside of Haws are not very good. they can't shoot from the perimeter very well. The WCC is a perimeter/3-point shooting conference.

Goooo Cougars
Spokane, WA

While the class of next year looks good, most of them will be leaving on a mission and will not even play for a few years. So next year looks even worse than this year. Unless they get some amazing transfer or jc players it could be an ugly season next year, especially if carlino continues his erratic play.

So. Cal Reader
San Diego, CA

@ rafinsure: "losing Rogers and Collinsworth was huge."

Seriously? Both were absolutely non-contributors last year, and the team more than did fine. Any contributions they made to the team were 2 & 3 years ago at best, and I wouldn't put their ocntributions as huge.

rafinsure
Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00

@ Duckhunter

Losing Collinsworth and Rogers were huge loses for this year's team because it left the Cougars depleted of big men who can rebound and provide muscle under the basket. Regarding last year's team, the Cougars weren't very good. They barely received an at-large invitation to March Madness, barely made it out of the prelims, and got knocked out in the first round. Last year's saving grace was Noah Hartsock and he obviously graduated last year. One needs to see the big picture, and see the holes that Collinsworth and Rogers' absences left for the team. The Cougs do not have enough big men to withstand the pounding against other teams.

So. Cal Reader
San Diego, CA

@ rafinsure "One needs to see the big picture, and see the holes that Collinsworth and Rogers' absences left for the team."

Gotcha. You're on a fishing expedition and trying to cath me with your bait. Nope. Don't like fishing! :o)

rafinsure
Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00

I meant So. Cal Reader.

Losing Collinsworth and Rogers were huge loses for this year's team because it left the Cougars depleted of big men who can rebound and provide muscle under the basket. Regarding last year's team, the Cougars weren't very good. They barely received an at-large invitation to March Madness, barely made it out of the prelims, and got knocked out in the first round. Last year's saving grace was Noah Hartsock and he obviously graduated last year. One needs to see the big picture, and see the holes that Collinsworth and Rogers' absences left for the team. The Cougs do not have enough big men to withstand the pounding against other teams.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

So. Cal Reader

What rafinsure seems to be saying is if Collinsworth and Rogers had both been healthy and able to contribute that would have been huge for this year's team. That's what Rose was counting on when he recruited this team. Not having them, left a gaping hole. Rose recognized that, which is why he brought in Bronson to try to fill that void.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

No doubt the forwards are too small no matter how hard they play and they have not done very well on scoring. Maybe Kaufusi can score it should be tried. Austin and Davies are good workers, but seem to have trouble making layups. Maybe next year.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

I think Dick is spot on on his analysis here. The reality of this conference is physical play and 3-point shooting. BYU has neither.

I tend to agree with So Cal Reader. I don't think collinsworth and Rogers were major contributors. Collinsworth was a pretty big body that could rebound OK, but he was never really healthy enough to see what he could do. Rogers was an average 3 point shooter (which is probably better than anyone we have now) but he wasn't a physical player.

I wold say that the JC recruits to replace them have disappointing to say the least.

Those calling for BYU to come groveling back to the MWC have lost their minds. I do miss playing those teams in basketball but in football, I say good riddance. What a bunch of whiners, especially the commissioner.

Runner
Chandler, AZ

I would just like to see Kaufusi go D-lineman on Delavadova (sp?) next time they play.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Lately it seems like Carlino, Haws and Davies are starving for the ball. If they give up the ball in a possession, they're afraid they won't see it again. Without knowing for sure, I don't think the big three are playing for each other....

Serenity Now
Highland, UT

As far as next year's recruits, I don't think the outside shooting has many prospects.

We get Kyle Collinsworth back from a mission, but even assuming he returns to shape as quickly as Haws, KC is a utility player who can play point, wing, and rebound, but he wasn't a great outside shooter before he left--maybe that'll change. With Nick Emery leaving on a mission this year and only the big guys coming for their freshman year (Mika, Hartsock, Worthington), it looks like BYU's only hope is for one of the current players to step up and become a three-point specialist.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

Thank you contributors! I have really enjoyed reading the various posts from all of you. It was a pure delight not to have biting critism from Ute bloggers. If DN was responsible for that, my sincere thank you! We should be able to have a spirited discussion about our team without putdowns and mean-spirited sarcasm. Thank you again!

Go Cougars!

moderateinmagna
MAGNA, UT

Basketball is supposed to be a non contact sport and the way some of these teams have been mugging Haws should never be allowed ,i refereed high school and junior college games for almost 12 years and if anybody was pushing and shoving like these guys seem to do to Haws would have fouled out by half time if the refs were doing the job they are hired to do this is not football or wrestling and the referees should not let it be going on their job is to keep control of the game and not let players run roughshod on other players,no player should never be getting cuts over the eye if they do it was most likely caused by aggressive play by the defense player and fouls should be called keep the rough play in the NBA and not college.

parrothead
orem, ut

Nothing better than college BB-especially tough players & teams. Coug's seem to be pretty soft & complacent- Ogmson is right, they miss Dave Rice. Suck it up Coug's!

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

I agree with moderateinmagna. Referees are supposed to call the game according to the rules in the rule book, not according their own set of rules.

It's not about sucking it up, it's not about being tough, it's about being fair. How games are called should be standard, just like the rules. They shouldn't change from game to game of from conference to conference.

ParkerCoug12
Parker, CO

I like Tyler Haws, but I believe he is pressing too hard. He seems low on energy the past few games, and is forcing it too much, getting his shot blocked, etc. I would like to see a little more passing when is guarded so closely.

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