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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 12 2013 9:25 a.m. MST

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Guns keep us safe...

Guns keep us safe...

Sarcasm, off.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

We don't need back-ground checks...
Good guys with guns, Bad guys with guns...
If everyone just had an assault rifle and high capacity magazine clip this never would have happened...

Why do the pro-gun ultra-conservatives support and defend these guys?

Isn't that indirectly being an accomplice?

Back-Ground Checks....100%....do it now.....

Wyomex
Burlington, WY

@Pagan

Guns, knives, fists, cars, bombs and so on are merely "branches" on the "tree" of violent, criminal or antisocial behavior. The branch is not the tree.

Climb down off the "gun branch" and seek to understand the "root" causes of violence, criminal or antisocial behavior. Once understood and solved, to the extent they can be, the branches will be far different - one might even say 'pruned.'

In this instance, there is an underlying root issue that probably has nothing to do with guns. It is, however, unfortunate that a gun was the tool of choice in the ultimate violent action.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Back Ground Checks anyone?
Why can't pro-gun people support something as common sense and simple as Back-ground Checks?

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@Pagan
Criminals will have guns. They don't care about laws and FOID cards and gun safety and serial numbers and clip capacity.
Chicago has tough laws.
This perp has been before a judge and done time for breaking weapons laws. Do you think the judge didn't warn him about guns? Do you think he wasn't told that repeat arrests for gun violations would lead to more serious time in prison?
Pass all the laws you want. Only the law-abiding will be impacted by them. Perps gotta be perps.

David King
Layton, UT

The first two comments illustrate perfectly why we may never accomplish very much in the way of reducing violent deaths. It seems that these commenters see the issue as either more guns/less guns, without any alternatives. Part of the tragedy is that we have become so accustomed to news of violent deaths that the first thought of many is "what witty comment can I make on this article to advance my political agenda?"

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@xscribe, Are you serious?

Of course I dont think barack should tell the secret service to not carry guns while protecting his family.

However, NO, this is not comparing apples and oranges. I'm making a very simple point that barack has decided the best way to protect his family is for people to CARRY GUNS.

He has a choice to either have them carry or not carry.

Barack's choice for his family?

Carry.

And don't tell me only barack's family is in danger.

Are you telling me the parents of Sandy Hook victims didn't need to worty about anything because their family was never in danger?

Give me a break.

Criminals have and will always use guns.

What has barack decided to do about this?

Have people protecting HIS family carry.

I'll do the same.

And encourgae others to do as barack is doing.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

@Pagan
Criminals will have guns. - Say No to BO

Correction.

They DO have guns.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Talk about denialism --

3 people shot and killed, 1 person shot and hospitalized --

and here we have the all gun people telling us it's not an issue related to Guns....

And drowning isn't about water,
and lung cancer isn't about cigarettes,

Mountain Bird
West Jordan, UT

Gun control laws won't stop these kinds of shootings any more than anti-drug laws stopped these people from operating a "known narcotics house."

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'I wonder if barack will ask those protecting his family to stop carrying weapons.' - Chris B

Why is it my comment about the clam of gun safety is removed in a story about a gun shooting...

but Chris B. can lie, factually lie about what 'Obama says' on this news paper day, after day?

I guess the standards of 'civility' are different at the Deseret news?

FYI?

Obama didn't say that.

Allowing someone to lie about what another person 'says'...

is far from civility.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Guns, knives, fists, cars, bombs and so on are merely "branches" on the "tree" of violent, criminal or antisocial behavior. The branch is not the tree. - Wyomex

Ah, the 'everything kills too' argument. In defense of guns.

Ok.

1) x3 people were killed today due to guns. Not fists.

2) In the month of December, all x2 months ago, 20 children were killed in Sandy hook due to lax gun legislation.

i.e. all guns in the Sandy hook shooting were legally purchased.

In China, a man attacked a school with a knife.

Knife attack in China? All victims survive.

Gun shooting in America? All victims die.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Boy, it sure didn't take long for posters to politicize what others might actually feel sad about. The lesson I take away is - don't cross some of these folks on a bad day, no matter what you're carrying. Note to Chris B: Your little attempt to belittle the president by calling him "barack" says much more about you than him.

AzPete
Mesa, AZ

Re: Open Minded #1:
The guy is a multiple-convicted felon. By possessing a firearm, he is committing another crime. A background check would not have stopped him because he wouldn't have gone through one in the first place. Laws mean nothing to him. He will get his gun or other weapon regardless.

Re: Open Minded #2:
Are you proposing that we ban water? Can I have 10 inches in my tub, or am I limited to 7?
I know people with lung cancer that never smoked a cigarette. I also know people who have smoked all their life and don't have lung cancer. What's your point?
Do you also blame Roseanne's fork for making her fat? Are you blaming the gun for making the perp commit the crime? If he couldn't get a gun, he would have used a knife. If he couldn't get a knife, he would have used a bat. If he couldn't get a bat ..... The problem is not the tool, it's the person using it.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Wyomex
Burlington, WY
@Pagan

Guns, knives, fists, cars, bombs and so on are merely "branches" on the "tree" of violent, criminal or antisocial behavior. The branch is not the tree.

In this instance, there is an underlying root issue that probably has nothing to do with guns. It is, however, unfortunate that a gun was the tool of choice in the ultimate violent action.

10:35 a.m. Feb. 12, 2013

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U-huh...ya.
I'm sure the killer would not have managed to get away with killing 3, possibly 4 people by smothering each of them with a fluffly down pillow in his fit of rage.

"... has nothing to do with guns."
Why do you all insist on defending this?

Try starting with this; Back-ground checks.
This guy had a rap sheet on him a mile long.
He never should have be able to get his hands on a weapon.

But - $300 cash at a gunshow, and guys like this can get away with murder.
Stop Defending them.
Stop enabling them.

Explain to me where the intent of the Founding Fathers, he Consitution, and the 2nd amendment should be guarnateed to people like this?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

AZPete

Can you name one law that prevents Anything? Dui laws dont stop people who drink and drive.

But, don't you think that they help? Dont you think that some are more likely to get a designated driver?

The same argument can be made with fully automatic weapons. Most would feel that banning them has saved lives.

Isn't a 3 day waiting period reasonable? Should someone be able to walk into Walmart in a rage and purchase a gun?

It is a matter of balance. We all have a line, but they are different for everyone.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Chris B. Apples and oranges!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@xscribe,

Are only barack's kids in danger? You're not answering the question?

Were the Sandy Hook children not in danger?

You go ahead and tell the Sandy Hook parents their kids were never in danger

I'll follow barack's example of how he wants to protect his kids.

Carry.

Always.

Missourian
Fulton, MO

The most unfortunate part of this crime is the person of interest if guilty demonstrates a failed judicial system where we allow a person with this kind of background loose on society.
No law can stop this, but the exisiting laws provided for him to be incarcerated for a much longer period of time. Why isn't he at the point of the mountain where he belongs?

rlsintx
Plano, TX

If it's a "known" drug house, why hadn't it been shutdown and the participants incarcerated ?

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