Kyle must really be desperate to get a mentor for Brian Johnson to hire someone
with the baggage Dennis Erickson brings.
National Championship coach wanted to come to Utah!I love my BCS
membership. Great hire K Whit!
Kyle must be really clever to get a mentor for Brian Johnson with the amount of
experience that Dennis Erickson brings!
I wonder if such a wanted coach would have jumped at the chance to join a
"non-AQ"?I'm guessing no.
We hired one of the architects of the spread for our future QBs.(Wilson, Cox,
and Hansen)It's nice to know that we will be running an offense
tailored to the skill set of these kids, can't say the same for Anae and T.
Hill though...inb4 R. Nielsen v 2.0Heres to 4 in a row
"Erickson will begin his duties at Utah on Feb. 19, sharing coordinator
duties with the 25-year-old Johnson." That's a good one. I wonder
who'll take the lead on this "co-OC" set-up. My money is not on
"co-offensive coordinator"? Move BJ to the sideline where he can send in
signals and use those jumbo cartoon cards and extreme hand gestures. Let someone
else call the plays please!
What a joke. Erickson peaked at OSU and has been going downhill ever since.
Hopefully, this hire will free up Kyle to spend more time with the defense as
they really slipped last year. And with numerous key positions on the defensive
line and corner-backs needing to be filled, Utah will have to work hard to get
back to defensive excellence.Regardless of what "baggage"
Dennis Erickson brings, he can only help. Some of the "baggage" Erickson
had was undisciplined players at ASU. But since Erickson is not the head coach,
that shouldn't be an issue.This makes sense. Good hire.
Whittingham is taking a huge gamble in hiring someone with as much baggage as
Dennis Erickson.Erickson brings a disturbing history with him. His
Miami teams were constantly in trouble with police. No fewer than a dozen
scholarship players were arrested in 1994, his final season there. Eleven months
into Erickson's tenure with the Seattle Seahawks, the NCAA levied severe
sanctions against Miami's football program, stripping 34 scholarships,
placing the university on probation for three years, and banning the team from
appearing in a bowl game.If this blows up in Whittingham's
face, he has only himself to blame.
Is this a Ute article or a BYU article? Come on guys, are you so insecure that
TDS is still the measuring stick by which you judge your program!
Whit's an absolute genious to bring in a volunteer High school coach to
mentor BJ. I see a Championship coming up this year. No need to delay it any
Utes Fan"Regardless of what "baggage" Dennis Erickson
brings, he can only help."Undisciplined players are only the tip
of iceberg as far as the off-the-field issues that plagued Erickson's six
seasons in Miami. Gun play, unmentionable escapades, police raids, arrests, drug
abuse, drinking, a federal grand jury probe, and cash bonuses to players who
made the best hits in games served as the notorious backdrop to Miami's
success on the field.Erickson has a disturbing past that should be a
red flag to any coach who runs a clean program.
Co-coordinator? Wow, this has bad news all over it for my Utes. And what is
the comment about bringing someone in with National Championship experience...I
seem to remember Mr. Chow working there too, that certainly helped out.
I'm afraid we're headed for a dismal time and within 5 years Whitt
will be out.
SoUtBoy25"Is this a Ute article or a BYU article?"Talk about paranoid. Except for resident BYU hater Chris B,
you're the only bloggers who's even mentioned anything associated with
BYU.----------As for Erickson, HUGE gamble on
please remind me how the last OC with a national championship worked out for
And how would a co-offensive coordinator trigger any of that stuff?
I really like the idea of Erickson being given co-OC duties with BJ. At 66-yrs
of age, it's unlikely he'll remain with the Utes for an extended
period of time, and he hadn't really shown a lot of "tenured"
positions at many universities anyway. Mentoring BJ should provide some
fluidity for our offense if/when Erickson decides to retire, or take another
head coaching job somewhere else (like Chow).As for all his
baggage...I'm not too worried about it. For starters, Whittingham is the
head coach; not Erickson. Secondly, even within just the Offensive side of the
ball, BJ is still there, and he doesn't bring ANY "behavioral
baggage" with HIM. Erickson would be able to mentor the longterm OC for the
Utes, and provide an extra recruiting punch in the offseason.Great
hire Whit. GO UTES!!!
First off, as a UTE fan I'm getting sick and tired of other UTE fans who
continue to judge us against BYU. We have a completely new standard to live up
to now and in case anyone has noticed we are failing to achieve that standard.
Leave BYU where they belong in the rearview mirror. I like the hire. Anytime you
can get a guy with this wealth of experience it has to be a plus. I'm not
to concerned about the baggage because he apparently didn't have any issues
at ASU. Also not concerned about the win loss record at ASU because the Offense
was never the problem. They always had explosive offenses in his time there.
LOL!Not at erickson's capabilities, I'm sure he is
capable, but at the "co-offensive coordinator" title. Seriously?
whittingham looks foolish anywy from the bj promotion does he really think
anyone is fooled by leaving him as the "co"?Good grief this
is funny stuff. LOL!
Hopefully Coach Erickson will recruit some of the same athletes that he had at
ASU. The receivers they had were big, fast and athletic.They ran us
off the field these last 2 years.
@christina"I wonder if such a wanted coach would have jumped at
the chance to join a "non-AQ"?I sometimes wonder if you are
really a BYU fan who is a genious at making utah "fans" look like
absolute idiots? LOL!If erickson was "such a wanted" coach
how come exactly no one else was trying to hire him?LOL!
A home run hire.Erickson will add a ton of experience and recruiting
connections. If he were running the show, I would worry about discipline, but
Kyle is the man in charge, so I don't foresee a lot of problems with
that.Hopefully Erickson can accelerate BJ's learning curve, and
hopefully the O line and QB situation solidify themselves. GO UTES!
I like it!Erickson's hire should help. I hope to see Utah in
the top half nationally on offense, but I wouldn't bet real money on it.
The good news is we can't get much worse on offense than last
year, so things will definately get better. Go Utes!
Welcome Dennis. Hopefully the fans on both sides will represent themselves
according to their respective institutions ideals, norms, and values. Those who
do not, Dennis, are the small minority. Go Luck and thank you for
Dear Chris B:I know you are excited, but don't give the Y fans
that do not represent their school in a manner which they know they should.
Just be happy and excited and leave BYU alone. There is no reason to stir up
controversy when these two programs are heading in different directions. I did
not say up or down, just different and leave it at that. Go UTES!!
@Ducky,Any insights as to why Heisman Detmer didn't want to
even touch your beloved BYU?P.S.Big 12 call yet?
This is fantastic news! Loving it from here in Montana. Go UTES!
So It's APRIL 1ST! Where did the winter go. Come on whyt, you have got to
Great hire Whitt! It's great to see Whitt paving the path for BJ to be
successful. I would have been much more concerned if Whitt was willing to kick
him to the curb and give up on him like other programs have with their young
OCs. It is also great to have the PAC-12 money to be able to make such a
hire.UteJunky70: Great post my friend!! I couldn't have said
it any better myself.Love the jealous trollers!!
Bryan Johnson has always been likable. And I will never forget how he did in the
Sugar Bowl in 2008. But two years as an assistant does not make a coordinator
in the Pac 12. He needs mentoring and offensive direction. Erickson should
give him just that.Kyle could not sit on his heals. Our offensense
needs to be more productive. And yes, the defense slipped last
year. More experience may be need in the coaching rankson that side of
the ball as well. It will also help if the defense is not on the field so much.Go Utes!
Amen Wookie - to both of your posts!!
A lot of jealous cougars on this thread already. Also a lot of cougs pretending
to be Utes which is even more pathetic.Bottom line, Erickson's
"baggage" is from long long ago. And what coach of Miami has ever left
there unscathed. If we're all honest we can say that it's more about
the dynamic surrounding that university then anything. But regardless, that was
long ago and Erickson's track record since has been great.Great
get by Utah. I don't even care how long he stays or doesn't stay, his
influence on the offensive side of the ball will be welcomed.
So it begs this question, how many people does it take to run utha's 109th
ranked offense?They now have 2 offensive coordinators and a
"passing game coordinator". Yes that is right, roderick is retaining the
"passing game coordinator" title and repsonsibilities, whatever those
are. Good grief this is funny stuff. LOL!
This is last gasp for Whit. Three O coordinators in two years...he'd better
hope Erickson has something in the tank. Let's get some honesty
out of u-ville...co-O coordinators? Whatever, Johnson has been pushed aside.The other PAC teams have got to be excited...after all they forced
Erickson into retirement.
I love the utah "fans" all jumping to proclaim this as a "great
hire" or a "home run". Very funny stuff.Now they
definately had to do something as the weird johnson hire was an obvious failure
and making roderick some invented title of "passing game coordinator"
was also a bit of a joke. Now that utah has 3 guys "coordinating" the
offense maybe they can raise above 109th? I guess at utah it takes 3 guys to do
the job that 1 guy does at every other school in the entire nation.
christy"Any insights as to why Heisman Detmer didn't want
to even touch your beloved BYU?"Yes, Detmer said he's not
interested in coaching at BYU, or any other university, for now. He's
living a comfortable life with his family and owns a nearby hunting ranch where
he can spend his days doing what he enjoys most, hunting, fishing, and spending
time with his family.btw, any insights on why a coach that is in
such "high demand" has spent the last year, since being fired from ASU,
helping his son coach a high school team in Oregon? And when he finally does
land another coaching position, it's to mentor a young kid who's been
such a miserable failure that he's put his bosses' job in jeopardy.
Wasn't it the PAC teams that forced Erickson to retire? I'm pretty
sure they aren't too concerned with this hire. .First view the
name sounds exciting but Coach E. was done a long time ago. I believe this is
more of an investment in Johnson than anything else. Whit has really
rolled the dice with this one.
Ducky,Let me help you out ... Erickson and Johnson will work
together on the offense. That's what "Co" typically means.
Keep it coming Cougar "fan".Love it.
3 posts from Duckhunter in under an hour.Now that is an
@ Vegas / Junky - U are right. There are so many Utes who say they have moved
on, but continue to comment on Ute articles about the Cougs and BYU articles
sometimes more than Cougar fans. I occasionally pull up the Denver Post and I
have yet to see a single Ute fan talking smack about the Buffs.So
who is your rival? Personally, I hope the rivalry gets going again
after the hiatus, even though we're not in the same conference. Colorado
and Nebraska have decided to renew their rivalry. Even though Utah may think
Colorado is their new rival, Colorado fans will always consider Nebraska as
their rival, not Utah.And I'm happy to acknowledge your 3 of
the last 4 wins, but I'm not willing to use the word dominance. Three of
the last four games were not settled until the final play of the game. Even
though you get the wins, U have to admit the programs are pretty equal.Hiring Erickson is a real shot at Johnson's perceived competence.
Erickson is a brilliant mind. The success of the decision will be in how
Johnson responds to losing part of his authority.
Hope they have a car service for him.He likes the fire water.
Good hire for the Utes. Just what the offense needed to improve and to help BJ
grow into his role.@Ducks,The Utes are LOLing all the way to a major
conferance schedule and Rose Bowl possibilities every year.The Cougs can
LOL as they struggle to be relevant. Go Utes.
motorbike"A lot of jealous cougars on this thread
already."Jealous? Of what?Most college programs
wouldn't touch Erickson with a 10-foot pole, and that goes double for
BYU.Whittingham is gambling his coaching future at Utah because
he's too proud to admit that he made a mistake with Brian Johnson.---------DuckhunterToo funny! What's next,
third-down offensive coordinator, shadow-of-your-own-goal-posts offensive
coordinator? As experts often say, when you have two starting
quarterbacks, you have no starting quarterbacks. It's very
likely that nobody has ever tried having tri-offensive coordinators before, so
Kyle is mapping unchartered territory here, which usually ends with a sinking
Wow, this hire really has Ducky worked up. That says it all, I love it!And Ducky ... "good grief"??? Really? Who else has used those two
words together in the past 30 years besides Charlie Brown?Actually
this makes sense ... now we have a more clear picture as to why you are the way
you are ... you were that kid that continued to try to kick the ball only to
have it pulled away from you ... time, after time, after time. Yep, it's
all coming together. "LOL!"
@motortrike"Erickson and Johnson will work together on the
offense. That's what "Co" typically means."Plus
roderick running the "passing game". LOL!This is pretty much
like when a team has 2 qb's, what it means is they really don't even
have 1 qb. One of the things I find so amusing about utah
"fans" is that whittingham can litterally do any wierd thing he wants to
do and you guys immediately proclaim it a "genius" move. Like the
johnson hire last year, or the chow hire the year before, or the
roderick/schramm co thing that worked out so well. It really is
funny stuff, to bad you guys can't see all the humor in it.LOL!
Ducky and other obsessed trollers are in fine form this morning. So
entertaining!!It is great to be a Ute!!Where is Fangupo?
Amen UteJunky70-totally agreeI'm a BYU fan but I think this
gives the Ute Program a good opportunity to get back on its feet this season.
Who are people to judge Erickson because of his past. All the negativity about
his situation is ridiculous. He is just what the Ute program needs.Great hire
Motorbike - Don't even try! Logic and facts don't mean much to the
@CarnakFunny, it's about how much Chris B and 54-10 post on BYU
@Duckhunter, "whittingham looks foolish anywy from the bj
promotion does he really think anyone is fooled by leaving him as the
"co"?Good grief this is funny stuff. "-----------Really? Having a CO-coordinator is funny? All that matters is an improved offense and more wins. That's it.I am 100% sure Whittingham, who has defeated Bronco 3 in a row recently,
could care less about two letters ("CO") in front of a coach's
name.If this is funny to you, then you seriously need to upgrade
your sense of humor. You might start with Cougar fans once again ripping on Ute
fans when the Cougars haven't had a convincing victory over Utah since
1996. Now that is funny. LOL!
54-IQThe angst this is causing in Uteville is hilarious.Whittingham trying to hide his mistake with Johnson by hiring a Chow with
baggage to mentor his failing project in order to save his job.It's going to be interesting to see who Utah fans blame next season when
this doesn't work out. The offensive coordinator circus on the hill just
keeps getting more and more bizarre.
What a Politically Correct thing to do... Fire the minority OC Johnson without
actually firing him. I wonder if BJ is quick enough to understand that?
Glad the Duck isn't in Tulsa today.Dude is hilarious (in a
pathetic sort of way).BTW, 3 in a row and 8 of 11 has the natives
It is definately fun getting utah "fans" all worked up and responding.
lolHey wookie, where were your calls for utah "fan" civility
on the articles about BYU re-hiring Anae? Oh that's right, you only call
for it one direction.
A two time national champion and a three time Pac12 coach of the year? Why would
you want someone with this kind of experience mentoring a young offensive
coordinator and helping with recruiting? Makes no sense! Bad decision Utes. We
aren't jealous at all GO COUGARS!
Great hire Utes! Hopefully Erikson fills his role and we can move on and up
from a dismal season last year. Excited to see what we have to work with at
@utes "fan"Try to keep up. yes having "co"
coordinators is funny, especially when what utah really has is "tri"
coordinators. But even that funny stuff isn't as funny as the weak attempt
to try and make it apepar that johnson wasn't a mistake who is now being
replaced, ditto for roederick. And utah "fans", who were all proclaiming
johnson the 2nd coming of something great now falling all over themselves to
proclaim this latest bandage something great are hilarious.Yes it is
funny, very funny. p.s. that doesn't mean that it might not be
a good move, when you have finsished the previous 2 season ranked below 100 in
total offense something needs to be done, I'll give you that.
Good grief guys! We aren't worked up about this hire at all. Good grief!
Miami had problems before and long after Erickson was there. They are being
investigated now.BYU should fans should focus on the upcoming
season. Oh and figure out a way to beat Utah. NOT!
What are we? In the 50's? Seriously?
Great hire! Great mentor for BJ and great for recruiting.Not
concerned at all with with the "baggage" Erickson brings since the head
coach is still KW.Go UTES!!
I certainly hope this works out. Seems odd to have a co-offensive coordinator;
but I have a lot of faith in Whittingham. GO UTES! Fellow Ute fans; if you
ignore the fly on the thread, it usually flies away.
@54-10 - "BTW, 3 in a row and 8 of 11 has the natives restless."No, I think it's sitting home in December that has the Utes getting
restless. One more year of no bowling will have Whit on a hot seat. One more
year of sub .500 will have Krysto on the hot seat. If anyone cared about
baseball and W basketball, those aren't working out very well either.Just curious, how's life in the PAC? All well, at
least U've won three in a row against the Cougs (two of them on the final
play). So life must be good, because beating the Cougs is all that counts to
Ute fans. Which has been my point all along.
"On February 8, 2006, the University of Idaho announced the re-hiring of
Erickson as its head football coach.When asked at his introductory
press conference if Idaho was indeed a long-term arrangement, Erickson
responded, "You want to look at the age on my driver's license?...This,
hopefully, is going to be my last job."After just ten months
back at Idaho, Erickson left again for the opportunity to lead his fourth BCS
program. Arizona State athletic director Lisa Love hired him on December 9th to
replace recently-fired Dirk Koetter.""Soooooo... Why is Kyle
dragging this guy to Utah? He recruits thugs, has no loyalty, and will pass
along his bad habits to BJ, and the program. Kyle is desperate to
make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear. This is embarassing...
CougFaninTX:"I occasionally pull up the Denver Post and I have
yet to see a single Ute fan talking smack about the Buffs."The
Denver Post doesn't print as many articles about the Utes as does the DNews
or the SLTrib, so most Ute fans are smart enough to check the "Utah"
publications for Utah articles than "Colorado" pubs. Cougar
fans...not so much.Plus, CU fans are a lot classier than our
bubble-dwelling neighbors to the south, so we respect them more."There are so many Utes who say they have moved on, but continue to
comment on Ute articles about the Cougs and BYU articles sometimes more than
Cougar fans."And I'm sure that you comment more on Utah
articles than some Ute fans. Does that mean you're obsessed with the Utes?
No. What means your obsessed with the Utes is the fact that as a cougar fan in
Texas, you nevertheless insist on seeking out Denver Post articles to see if Ute
fans are jawing with the Buffs.
CougFaninTX:"Three of the last four games were not settled until
the final play of the game. Even though you get the wins, U have to admit the
programs are pretty equal."Winning 8 of the last 11 equates to a
72.7% winning percentage. That's dominance. And the last game was not
settled on the final play. Had that 51-yd FG attempt been true, the game would
NOT have ended. It would have went into OT. And besides, that game wasn't
even won in the 4th Qtr. Utah iced that game with a 39-yd TD pass late in the
This has nothing to do w/ BYU, so to all you BYU fans trying to negate
everything the Utes do, find something else to do. Erickson will not be in
charge of recruiting or accepting players, it's still Coach Whits team. He
will offer both Johnson and Roderick a wealth of knowledge and experience. If
you don't this this is a big deal just Google "Utah hires Erickson"
and note the 157,000 results. As a point of comparison you could Google
"BYU hires Anae" and note the 17,500 results.Guess that
about says it all.
I find it funny how after anything Utah does it is automatically labeled as a
"bad decision," by the TDS. Well all these "bad decisions" have
beat you the past 3 years, so it seems like you have some catching up to do on
our "bad decisions." If this guy was headed south it would be a
"quest for perfection," but for us its just another "bad
I want to congratulate Coach Whittingham on a really good hire. Coach Erickson
brings a lot of needed experience on the Ute's offensive side and a great
mentor for Coach Johnson. I'm guessing that was Coach Whittingham's
intention in trying to hire Coach Anae. Coach Johnson and the Ute offense will
benefit a great deal from Coach Erickson's knowledge of the spread offense.
Maybe Coach Erickson will be able to work his magic and make the Utes bowl
eligible this coming season (if not the next). I can see Coach Erickson staying
around for no more than three seasons. Career wise, he liked to move around a
Carnak said:"3 posts from Duckhunter in under an hour.Now
that is an obsession. Sad really."Not sure but Chris B, may have
just beat his record. Regardless, I suspect that duckhunter and
chris b are really cousins. There comments are just a ploy to see who can
create the most excitement be it for a Utah or BYU story.Sadly, both
bring disrespect to the schools they claim as their own.
@CougFaninTXJust curious, how's life in the PAC? -----------Pretty difficult, but you should know since your team
hasn't done diddly:BCS teams:Utah 9-11BYU
3-5vs non-BCS teams:Utah 4-1BYU 14-2
Naval - your retort about our CU rivals .... Classic!!
Until the Utes can remember to recruit a quarterback it doesn't matter who
you hire as OC or Co-OC. No Quarterback = No Offense.
Naval,Obesessed much?Have you ever posted anything
anywhere that was pro-Utah, and not just anti-BYU?
CougFaninTX: Life in the Pac-12 is a thrilling ride, it's too bad that byu
fans like yourself will just have to take our word for it. I think it's
safe to say that Coach Whitt didn't bring Erickson to Utah so the Utes can
beat byu. Whitt has demonstrated that he can do that on his own with several
starters on the sideline. Erickson is joining Utah to elevate the program in
our elite conference. Is the Pac-12 a challenge? You bet. That's how we
get better. There is no point in playing byu every week.
It's funny that you BYU fans keep bringing up the fact we didn't go to
a bowl game this year. Before this year we have 9 straight appearances, you are
currently at 8. You're last season with no bowl appearance was 2004, the
first of two seasons we wen't undefeated and won a BCS Bowl and finished
top 5.See we can all bring up useless factoids, I guess its been a
very long time so you feel the need to keep repeating it, keep ignoring the fact
that we beat you this year and that if you had the schedule you have next year.
You wouldn't of been bowling either.GL next year Cougar fans,
its going to be a huge WAKE UP CALL.
@ Naval Vet (I would type something else except I have too much respect for our
veterans, if in fact you are one). I enjoy reading your psuedo intelligent
posts. You may fool some with your big words and twisted logic, but it really
just ends up exposing you. Caase in point, the BYU-UofU game
actually was decided on the last play. As you pointed out, if the kick were
good, it would have gone in to O.T. Since it was not good, the game was over.
Therefore the last play of the game "determined" whether the game ended
or continued. I believe that in fact is the definition of a
"determining" play. I know you will try to twist it to say it
didn't determine the winner, because if the kick was good, there
wouldn't have been a winner and the game continues. However, because of the
miss, the winner was determined. Congrats to Utah.It doesn't
however determine whether this is a good hire or not, or if others should be
allowed an opinion. Your arrogance seems to lead you to believe you are the only
one entitled to an opinion. Good Day.
So Utah fans, you really think this one guy can drag an entire program down as a
'co' offensive coordinator? I think not. I realize most if not all
of you have ever coached college football. We're spectators. That's
it. Obviously there was something that stood out to Coach Whittingham. He sees
something in this guy, let's give him a chance. You never know what will
happen til the games are played. That's why they play em.
Ducky seems to have all the answers, so maybe he can explain this one. Bronco Mendenhall and BYU throw O/C Brandon Doman under the bus and hire
Robert Anae while Whittingham and Utah bring a nationally recognized former head
coach with 2 national championships to mentor Johnson and Roderick.Is that the way BYU football develops young men, at a higher level and with
honor. I don't think Brandon Doman would agree.
Getting a successful HEAD COACH who has NFL experience... as a CO-OFFENSIVE
COORDINATOR is a a good deal. Throw in the fact that the Utes really need some
experience in their offensive coaching and the deal is even sweeter. He may
have baggage but he's worth a gamble... what's the worst that could
happen?, he doesn't add much to the team and they get rid of him (ONE of
two offensive coordinators) at the end of the season? Kudos to Whit for signing
This is a perfect hire for a loser college.
@CedarCityUteIt isn't a matter of this one guy dragging the
entire program down - the program is already there (how was that bowl game
anyway?). The question is whether or not this "one guy" can help fix
things. I have no doubt that his experience and connections can help make things
"better". The question is at what cost (lost confidence of "co"
coaches, integrity of the program, view and opinion of fans and ncaa regulators,
etc.).That all remains to be seen. Let's see where you are at
this time next year. I hope that things are as clean on the hill as they have
appeared to be (congrats to coach Whit), because I think that you just painted a
huge target on your backs with the NCAA regulators. I think that anyone who
hires these coaches with a checkered past, does open their programs up to more
This move smacks of desperation.The idea that a washed-up
66-year-old and a still wet-behind-the-ears 25-year-old could work together
seamlessly as CO-offensive coordinators is ridiculous.The truth is
Erickson is Utah's new OC and BJ will be his apprentice. If it works,
Whittingham will take all of the credit. If it fails, Whittingham will try to
make Erickson the scapegoat.
@ VERITAS"Naval,Obsessed?Have you ever
posted anything anywhere that was pro-Utah, and not just anti-BYU?"Hahaha yeah you have to search really hard to find it though. Maybe try the
first page of THIS THREAD (which is about Utah, btw) before desperate coug
"fans" jumped on it in attempt to somehow twist this into being a bad
hire. Everything since has been a response. Looks like someone else
is obsessed. Thanks for keeping up with all the news on our team though!Haha! :)
"Good grief guys! We aren't worked up about this hire at all. Good
grief!"Who's we; got a mouse in your pocket?BYU
fans are laughing; Utah fans are defensive and trying to pretend that
they're excited; what's to be worked up about?
Veritas Aequitas"Naval,...Obesessed much?"Nope.
If I was obsessed, I'd be logging into the Denver Post to count how many
cougar fans were jawing with the Buffs.
IRS Agent (if you are in fact an IRS Agent):"As you pointed out,
if the kick were good, it would have gone in to O.T. Since it was not good, the
game was over."Uh...no. By your logic ALL games are decided on
the last play. Back in 2011, with :01 remaining on the clock, and 44-pt lead
over our Indy-WACey little brother......the game wasn't over,
and we hadn't won. Ergo, the game ended on the final play.Nevertheless, as I had mentioned, Utah iced that game with a 39-yd TD late in
the 3rd Qtr. The game ended there. The remaining 15+ minutes was just a
Wow USU get it's once every 20 years victory over Utah and suddenly Utah is
a "loser college". BTW - Utah is a University made up of many colleges.
But I guess that differentiation is not well understood unless you actually
graduated "college."Dennis Erickson: 2 National
championships, 2 time National coach of the year, 3 time PAC-10 Coach of the
year, 3 time Big East Coach of the year, 6 years head coaching experience in the
NFL, multiple conference championships in the Big Sky, Pac-10 and Big East.
@ JoCo UteI guess it depends on what level of excellence you expect
from your team and your program. If you aren't getting the job done at
work, what do they do? Do they let you go and hire someone who can and has done
the jobe successfully before, or do they hire an old, retired former employee to
come in and do the job with you (co-employees). They can just call it a
"mentoring" program. Or better yet, they can hire your replacement, and
have you help "train" him until they reassign you to the mailroom. There are different ways to handle the situation. I can tell you the way
most successful businesses handle it. Would you rather your employer be honest
with you about what their intentions are, or string you along thinking that you
are in a better situation than you really are? I don't know what the right
answer is, but I do know how most successful organizations handle it.
navel vetBronco is 3-5 versus Kyle and has more Top 25
finishes(5-3), more Top 15 finishes(3-1), more 10+ win seasons(5-3), more
conference championships(2-1), and more bowl game appearances(8-7) than Kyle.Kyle does have a dominating lead in losses to 10-loss teams(0-2).5 of the last 7 head-to-head games have been decided by a touchdown or
less in the closing minutes or in overtime.Clearly, the
"dominance" our little brothers talk about is nothing more than a
figment of your over-active imaginations.
MyPerspective"Life in the Pac-12 is a thrilling ride,..."Really? Call us when you've spent a few more years in
the PAC 10.2 basement with losing seasons and no bowls. We'll talk about
how thrilled you are then.It's going to be fun to see how
hysterical Utah fans become when this turns out to be just the latest in a long
string of offensive blunders by the coach on the hill who can do know wrong.
I love how people are "predicting" what will happen. Stop waving over
your crystal ball and realize buddy, that's a snow globe.
IRS Agent"Naval Vet (I would type something else except I have
too much respect for our veterans..."I wouldn't stress too
much about monikers.As you've probably noticed, Naval's
modus operandi is childish name-calling. He relies on twisting "facts"
and nitpicking technicalities, while being completely unable to accept
alternative points of view that diverge from his own biased opinions.Whittingham is rolling the dice on Erickson, hoping that Dennis can save
Kyle's young OC protege, and turn him from a sows ear into a silk purse. If
it works, Kyle will look like a genius. If it fails, Kyle could be signing his
own execution papers as far as his coaching career at Utah.
I'm excited about this hire. Erickson should bring a boost to
recruiting and hopefully will be able to mentor BJ.
JoCo Ute"Ducky seems to have all the answers..."Duckhunter is the I-ching; the sum of all college sports wisdom.U
would do well to heed his advice.---------The way to run
a successful football program is to be willing to admit when mistakes have been
made and learn from them, not to gloss over them and pretend that they never
All of the anti BYU and Utah stuff is pretty comical. Both sides make
ridiculous arguments. My take: I don't mind Erickson as a hire, he can
only help. Not sure I agree with the co-offensive coordinator though, seems
like it would lead to problems. Having said that, its clear Johnson needs some
kind of mentor and Erickson gives them that.For all of the hate back and
forth: Come on man, really. For all those cougar fans commenting on the lack of
a post-season, you can't argue with the past 10 years - you have been
beaten by the Utes more often than not. For those Ute fans who somehow think
its an award to play in the PAC-12- think again. Being the conference whipping
boy is going to get old fast. Unless something miraculous happens, you wil
always be playing second fiddle to USC, Oregon and Stanford.
Uteologyre: Just curious, how's life in the PAC?"Nice try, but you failed miserably to answer the question which was
specifically about the PAC 10.2.In the PAC 10.2, Utah is
7-11(38.8%).In the same time period, BYU is 2-3(40%) versus PAC 10.2
Just a thought, but is there any chance BJ realized he was in over his head and
is on-board with the hire? Maybe this is a way for both Whit and BJ to save
some face, give BJ a little more time to grow and get someone to help handle the
immediate needs of the program. Everyone seems to think BJ is (deep inside)
upset about the hire, but is he?
Teams need six wins to be bowl worthy. Utah, and Colorado were brought in to
provide an extra two wins for the others. It's just that simple.
SwoopSalt Lake City, UTThis move smacks of desperation.The idea that a washed-up 66-year-old and a still wet-behind-the-ears
25-year-old could work together seamlessly as CO-offensive coordinators is
ridiculous.The truth is Erickson is Utah's new OC and BJ will
be his apprentice. If it works, Whittingham will take all of the credit. If it
fails, Whittingham will try to make Erickson the scapegoat.__________Until BYU figures out a combination of coaches to beat
Utah and other teams, start thinking about those supposed games on ESPN where a
sub par audience will watch you lose again next season.That's
cedarcityuteThere's a reason successful teams don't stray
too far outside established norms. Hiring another OC to tutor the youngest OC in
the entire country, while you've also got a passing coordinator is
definitely way outside established norms and deserves critique and
speculation.The Utes will have almost as many offensive coordinators
as they have offensive position coaches.You know what they say about
having too many cooks in the kitchen or having two starting quarterbacks.There's truth in those sayings that Utah fans are ignoring because
of their blind faith in Whittingham.Don't be too surprised if
this turns into a complete disaster for the Utes.
I find the comments about the "Baggage" Erickson brings very strange. I
don't think he's suddenly going to turn Utah into a Party School.
Anyone that understands football knows that:1. This hire is for the
short term as Brian learns new plays, play calling, etc.2. Erickson will
not be the recruiter.3. The field is about to fill up with speedy little
receivers.4. Travis Wilson will be running the ball a lot more.5.
The offense will improve. Erickson has had many top 10 offenses during his
college days. I was a little surprised with the name but knowing who
is in charge makes me feel better about having Erickson on the team.
I'm a big BYU fan and I think this is a great hire for the Utes. It's
a bummer we won't get to watch Anae and Erickson and their offensive teams
get after each other after this season.
@CougFaninTX"So life must be good, because beating the Cougs is all
that counts to Ute fans."It's not all that counts, but it
is nice. I don't think you're in a good position to criticize though
since you did just go on criticizing multiple Utah sports teams. By the way,
it's February, it's gymnastics season and 14k people saw the Utes
easily handle Cal but you somehow forgot that team. "Even though
you get the wins, U have to admit the programs are pretty equal."I agree with that. If one looks at the average final Sagarin ranking for the
two teams over the past 10 years we get (from current->past)BYU: 26 34
45 15 32 17 13 55 41 68 (avg: 34.6)Utah: 61 39 26 24 5 34 46 51 4 25 (avg:
31.5). If I left it at 9 years it'd be 30.9-32.2 BYU ahead so
it's rather steady that the two are basically the same. One could say Utah
is trending the wrong way, but I think Utah would've done better with Hays
instead of Wilson, and choosing developing their freshman QB can pay off later.
@DuckhunterIf erickson was "such a wanted" coach how come
exactly no one else was trying to hire him?LOL!-----------Why are you laughing, that's also true for Bronco
and staff. When is Domain going to start collecting unemployment?
@Naval VetAccording to your logic, to use your term - fail.Yes, all games are not over until the final play. However, the outcome of all
games is not decided on the final play. In 2011, the outcome was not
"decided" on the last play. However, last year the outcome was
"determined" on the last play. I expected more rational thinking.Slow down and don't let the emotion of the situation cloud true
Wow, it's amazing all of the byu "fans" that come out of the
woodwork to try to disparage this important, excellent hire for Utah. For one
thing, Erickson brings championship experience (2 titles at Miami). And his
offenses have always been potent. Since Coach Whit is the head coach, all of
the byu "fans" comments questioning Erickson's character is
hypocritical. But what else would you expect from a fan base whose team never
loses any games in their eyes? It's always the refs' fault, or their
own team decided not to try, etc., etc. @ducky7
comments on a Ute article. Really?
Maybe now that Dennis Erickson is heading to the U, Ty Detmer will reconsider
coming to BYU. He sure likes it when Erickson comes to Provo.... I can almost
hear the lyrics to another song.
Haha hes no Roger Anea thats for sure.
nuh uhh Carnak, gullhunter is in no way obsessed or angry. Not at all.
Two years ago Anae was thrown under the bus while Doman was going to be the
savior of the program.Two weeks ago Anae was being touted as the savior of
the program while Doman was thrown under the bus. Meanwhile bronco says Utah
begged Anae to come to SLC, while reality says something else. Great stability.
Now the Utes hire a REAL National Championship winning coach and
gullhunter is saying it's a bad idea. Hmmmm. Someone's obsessed
feeling's have been hurt.
I guess there are just some people who were just so embarrassed by the Dons and
the Toreros that they have to try to bring big brother down. Pure joy and
entertainment!Keep on trying, though - we are amused!Go
I think this is a short term hire--one or two years at most. The reason they are
co-coordinators, in my opinion, is that Whittingham expects Johnson to be the
coordinator for the long run. As talented as Johnson is, he is still very
inexperienced and this allows him to get some help while Johnson grows.As for Erickson's part legal and ethical issues, he is not the head coach
and I don't think Whittingham will tolerate such things at Utah. Neither
will the school.For Erickson, I am sure he is making more money than
he did last year coaching high school.
Dear Duckhunter, I did in fact ask that both sides, including Chris B quit the
childish antics of stirring up contention. I would ask you to do the same. See
page 2 of the comments.Take care my friend.WookieGO UTES!!
Did Kyle just hire his 66 Year Old replacement?
The reported truth of the matter is that both Bronco and Kyle went after Anae
recently, after he's been mentored by 2 of the best offensive minded
coaches in college football today... while in Arizona.That's been
verified in the paper twice in the past few days. And none of the Ute coaches or
their AD have denied it. None.So, that being the fact, Kyle got only his
second choice (if not 3rd) that no other program was after. Anae had his choice
from 3 schools and chose BYU. It's not hard to figure out why. Though BYU
lost 3 close games by a total of 7 points last season, the two programs seem to
be going in opposite directions... and Kyle seems pretty nervous about it.
I do find it interesting that most people with the negative comments and
revelation of doom and gloom for the Utes are TDS fans. I will never understand
why they care so much. I mean, sure the Utes are awesome and everything...but
still. It's interesting Coach Whitt hired a co OC, BUT we all know why.
Brian Johnson definitely knows why. They need more experience on the offense
and that's what they're doing. BJ is going to be great, but for now
he and coach Whitt has seen he still needs a little direction. None of us truly
know where the Utes are going to go with this. The best we can do is give them
support and wish the best of luck for this move.
Co-offensive coordinators!! how did that co-manager thing work out with Michael
Scott and Jim Halpert?? i see the same result here...
Here are a few comments from someone in AZ1) No one misses Coach
Erickson here in the Phoenix area. 2) He has and can be a winning
coach3) He has discipline issues and lacks respect from many players4) He is like an oportunist and looks to exploit to get gain. (Just look at
the 1 and 2 year stints he took over to move on to bigger and "better"
things) Did do a great job with others players. 5) Has a great offensive
mind and can get things going. 6) Not loved by most places he has come and
gone either by his choice or others. 7) Could be a great benefit for Utah
or could be a Bust.8) Do not see him staying at Utah too long. I hope he does a great job at Utah. I am not conviced yet that he will. I
hope he proves me wrong. So all of you that are bickering as to if this is good
or bad be patient. I think only time will tell. The rest of you are just
blowing hot air. (Both Utah and BYU fans)
Are you kidding me Miami is still in trouble. I think they hired him to coach
the offense not to be the head coach. So stop crying This is a great hire
can't wait to see Utah in action. Worry about your own team.
I'm not sure I've ever heard of a co-Coordinator position before.
We'll see how it works out.Basically, you are bringing in a
coach to coach the coach. Why not just fire the ineffective coach? Who or what
is trying to be protected here?
Bu ha ha ha ha! We got rid of that...guy and Utah gets him and thinks he's
the greatest in the world! Arizona State is going to crush you this year. LOL
Then again, ASU has beat you every year. Utah has brought the level of play in
the PAC-10 down. Hopefully we can un-invite you!
WACPaddled"Until BYU figures out a combination of coaches to
beat Utah..."As always, the standard for success on the hill is
beating BYU.Little brother syndrome indeed.U really
couldn't care less about being competitive in the PAC 10.2 as long as U
beat the Y.Losing records, no bowl games, no national rankings, not
being able to beat a single PAC 10.2 team with winning record, finishing near
the bottom of the PAC 10.2 in recruiting, all inconsequential as long as U beat
the Y.The Y, by contrast, can still have a successful season, even
with a loss to the U.
Only in Utah would people bring up baggage from 20 years ago. I thought Mormons
believed in repentance. His teams at ASU were clean. His teams at Oregon were
clean. The important factor is whether or not he can still coach. He's got
more national championships than anyone other coach in Utah.Erikson
brings credibility to the offensive coordinator job that Johnson lacks.
Hopefully Johnson sees it as an opportunity. Coach Whit hired a personal mentor
for him. I hope he'll soak up all he can in the next year or two.
hmmm, BYU is 2-0 against Dennis Erickson coached teams. The last time BYU played
an Erickson team, the Cougars shocked the #1-ranked, defending national champion
Miami Hurricane 28-21 in a game that wasn't even that close.Regardless of how you slice it, Erickson is Utah's new OC. Brian is
simply along for the ride. Dennis will have the final word on all important
decisions - play calling, QB decisions, offensive scheme, everything. Brian will
be co-offensive coordinator in name only - a well-payed graduate assistant
signaling in plays from the sidelines, while Erickson is up in the booth calling
gored"Wow, it's amazing all of the [BYU] "fans"
that come out of the woodwork to try to disparage this important, excellent hire
for Utah."Coming out of the woodwork? LOL!There's no need to "TRY" to disparage this hire; the fire that
Whittingham is playing with in trying to juggle THREE offensive coordinators is
readily apparent to everybody except for the kids living under that crimson
bubble on the hill.If having TWO starting QBs, means not having a
starting QB, what does having THREE offensive coordinators mean to U?
Here we go. Go with what? The good, the bad, and the ugly. Here come the
comments, the praise, the critique, the criticism, the assessment, the
projections, the assumptions, the takeover, the mentor factor, the hire, and the
fire.I Don't know how this plays out. Go Utes.
I gave duckhunter a thumbs up. Wow! Yeah the co offensive coordinator title is
understandable and lame at the same time. I would love for Utah to find the
right offensive coordinator. Chow was good but a short term hire. I believe
Erickson will be the same. He could help the Utes. I hope he does. But at some
point, somebody needs to takeover and do a good job. Who? Brian Johnson? Aaron
Roderick? Beaver Clever?
Where is the hand off coordinator hire?
@gdogIt is a comment board isn't it?
@gdogInteresting that you are the only utah fan on this entire thing
that actually gets what I was saying. All the others claim I was bagging on the
hiring of erickson when I never have. I bagged on the weird tri coordinator
setup and the ridiculessness of not just giving the job to one guy and
dispensing with the false titles. It is hard for most utah fans to
actually comprehend what I write, it is mostly just knee jerk opposition to
anything I say. It is fun for me though.LOL!
@phoenixNice try, but you failed miserably to answer the question
which was specifically about the PAC 10.2.In the PAC 10.2, Utah is
7-11(38.8%).In the same time period, BYU is 2-3(40%) versus PAC 10.2
teams.----------What exactly are you proud of? Please
do tell. Because unlike BYU we have actually beat a PAC 12 team with 4+ wins
over the same period:Wins: @OSU (3-9) and WSU (3-9)Lose:
Utah (5-7)Spankings: Utah (8-5) 54-10, OSU (9-4) 42-24
Y's little brother:"Clearly, the 'dominance' our
little brothers talk about is nothing more than a figment of your over-active
imaginations."Nope. I did not imagine that the Utes busted the
BCS twice and won both bowl games, whereas our little brother had not. I did
not imagine that the Utes busted the cougars in 8 of the last 11 games. I did
not imagine that the 72.7% winning percentage the U has enjoyed over our little
brother is in fact "domination". I did not imagine that Utah was the
winningest team vs. BCS schools from among all non-AQs, whereas our Indy-WACey
southern neighbors were not. I did not imagine that the Utes own the highest
postseason winning percentage of all FBS programs with at least 10 bowl games
played, nor had I imagined that the Y has a losing record in them. I did not
imagine that CougFaninTX was trying make believe that the Y somehow measures as
"pretty equal" to their big brother on the Hill when fact, they are not.
phoenix:"In the PAC 10.2, Utah is 7-11(38.8%)...In the same time
period, BYU is 2-3(40%) versus PAC 10.2 teams."And in that same
time frame, name ONE Pac-12 team that the cougars beat that the Utes didn't
ALSO beat? You can't, can you?In fact, in those
common opponents, Utah beat their Pac-12 opponent by more points in EVERY game
than the cougars did, and lost to their same Pac-12 opponent by fewer points.
The Dennis Erickson hire has really kicked the ant hill in cougarville. I
haven't seen so much of an uproar since the last time the Utes kicked their
football team to the curb. Why should they even care?
Quick message to Tom and Bronco....it is possible to hire a big name OC without
firing half of your staff. Nice to see loyalty and class from up on
the hill, two character traits that seem to be falling apart in Provo.
There sure seems to be an awful lot of hand wringing from our little brothers
down in the bubble about Utah getting an experienced, 2-time national champion,
former head coach to direct and improve an offense that little brother not been
able to stop, even when it was bad. It must have something to do with the fact
that THEIR new OC is a less experienced former position coach at a school with a
.400 average vs. THEIR big brother in the BCS era.And I've been
reading a lot of frantic and emotional silliness about Utah having 3 OCs.
Roderick hadn't been Utah's OC since being replaced by Chow after the
2010 season. There's really only 2. And even YOU guys know that BJ needs
a little more mentoring, and Erickson won't be in SLC for long. As a 66-yr
old former head coach, he'll either retire as Utah's OC, or take
another head coaching job. At which point, BJ should have a little more
seasoning at the job, and provide a more seamless transition. I
smell the fear on you skittish little kittens. Tough break cougs.
Reading the comments, for and against, it is kinda like 54 - 10 all over again.
This has train wreck written all over it.I can't wait to see
the first media event with Whit and the happy threesome answering questions.
Keep it coming Cougar "fan". Loving every minute of it.
UteologyWho BYU beat in the PAC 10.2 is less important than who BYU
didn't lose to - 10-loss Colorado.Of course, BYU did beat
Washington(7-6) in 2010, the year before Utah joined the PAC 10.2.When was the last time U beat Washington?Oh, that's right,
the U is 0-2 against Washington in the PAC 10.2, in fact, the U is 0-8 lifetime
versus the Huskies, while BYU is 4-4 versus Washington.And, while
OSU did beat both BYU and Utah last season, and BYU and Utah both beat OSU the
year before, you're forgetting that BYU DESTROYED then #16 OSU in the 2009
Las Vegas Bowl so badly that it knocked the Beavers completely out of the Top
25.Our little brothers have been in steady decline since 2008, which
is why Whittingham took a flyer on Erickson, desperately hoping someone could
salvage his failing offense. Johnson was obviously in way over his head.Naval VetARod is Utah's Passing Coordinator, by
definition, an Offensive Coordinator. How else would you define ARod's role
on Utah's staff? Think about it.
navel vet"There sure seems to be an awful lot of hand wringing
from our [big] brothers..."Not really. Your big
brothers are simply concerned about the panic attack that seems to be occurring
on the hill and are offering some sound words of wisdom concerning the prudence
of such a rash move.As an SI commentator mentioned today:Dennis Erickson(65) sharing OC duties with Brian Johnson(26) = SITCOM WAITING
airlinerYeah, Whittingham has shown real class in the way he hires,
fires, shuffles and demotes his offensive staff. It's amazing that ARod has
been such a glutton for punishment with the way he's been hired, demoted,
re-assigned, lied to, and stepped over by Whittingham. ARod must be making some
real sweet money to willingly subject himself to such abuse.
I admire coach Ericson a lot. However, did Kyle hire a new co O.C. or his
replacement? Just wondering.
What are the national experts (except for Ducky) saying about Erickson?"Erickson brings an impeccable resume with him to Utah. Erickson was twice
named national coach of the year, won two national championships, a three time
Pac-12 coach of the year. .. andErickson's hiring is a major
coup for Whittingham. Erickson has long been credited as an offensive innovator,
and has developed a reputation for implementing high-powered offenses at each of
his stops... andNational titles in 1989 and 1991 as the coach at
Miami (Fla.), the 2000 Sporting News National Coach of the Year while at Oregon
State. three-time Pac-12 Coach of the Year, most recently with ASU in 2007, when
he led the Sun Devils to a share of the Pac-10 title in his first season. He is
the only coach to win Pac-10 Coach of the Year at three schools—sharing
the honor in 1988 at Washington State, and winning it outright in 2000 at OSU
and in 2007 at ASU, and was a three-time Big East Coach of the Year at Miami.The world is wrong and BYU fans are right. . .sure.
JoCo UteChow came with similar credentials - offensive play-caller
for BYU's 1984 National Championship team, offensive coordinator for
USC's 2003 Associated Press National Championship and 2004 BCS National
Championship (since vacated); and quarterbacks coach for Heisman Trophy winner
Ty Detmer.Chow was supposed to turn Utah's offense into a
scoring machine, yet Chow had very little impact on Utah's offense during
his one year stay with the Utes.Erickson has only had one winning
season (his first season at ASU) during his last six years of college coaching
at Idaho and Arizona State. He was fired by the Sun Devils after losing 6 of his
final 7 games at ASU, including at 27-37 loss to Washington State.Don't be too surprised if Erickson doesn't turn out to be quite the
offensive miracle worker some Utah fans are desperately hoping for.
I think is a good hire for Utah. Our coaching staff can use a seasoned coach
with a successful track record. Brian is a smart guy and doesn't have a
big ego so I'm sure he will take full advantage and learn everything he can
from coach Erickson.As far as the so called baggage surrounding him,
it is a total non-issue because he is coming in as a coordinator not a head
coach. The guy has seen success at all levels and we all know that the Utes
offense can use all the help it can get.I look forward to seeing
what improvements coach Erickson can bring to our offense as well as what kind
of impact he can have on recruiting. I'm sure he will be able to widen
Utah's reach in the recruiting process and perhaps get us in a few doors
that we wouldn't normally get into.Got to love how many
comments this article has generated. Maybe the D news will start writing more
articles about the Utes.Go Utes!
I'm just happy that little Community college didn't go after another
former BYU Cougar great to help get them out of mediocrity. Oh wait, they did. I
know of no other program in the country that the majority of their coaches are
alumni of their direct rival. Too funny!
sammyg:"This has train wreck written all over it."No, this had cougar club trepidation written all over it. The "train
wreck" was roscoe's latest "WAC-worthy" recruiting class. Had
the Y EVER signed so many 2-star recruits? And just as you forayed out of the
WAC no less. This is starting to look like "54-10" all over again.Like I said...this has "train wreck" written all over it.Swoop:"And, while OSU did beat both BYU and Utah last
season, and BYU and Utah both beat OSU the year before, you're forgetting
that BYU DESTROYED then #16 OSU in the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl so badly that it
knocked the Beavers completely out of the Top 25."And Utah
absolutely DESTROYED Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl, but I'm not sure what
either of those cherry-picked games have anything to do with Utah OR the cougs
since we joined the Pac-12. The only relevant "destruction" I can think
of is "54-10". And if I'm not mistaken, you all came out on the
"10" side of that nationally broadcast game. Haha!"
Swoop:"...Utah's Passing Coordinator, by definition, an
Offensive Coordinator. How else would you define ARod's role on
Utah's staff. Think about."I would define it as the
"Passing Game Coordinator", which by definition, is one who coordinates
the "Passing Game". The "O.C." coordinates the ENTIRE
Offense...which includes the "Running Game". 2 O.C.s; not 3.
Fail.Whittingham wants BJ to control Utah's Offense, but he
just isn't as experienced/ready as an available career Offensive guru like
the 2-time national champion/3-time Pac-10 Coach of the Year Dennis Erickson.
And now that Erickson IS on staff, what makes you think he needs ARod to do
anything more than coordinate Utah's passing game. Think about it.
A coordinator is a coordinator, two coordinators are half a coordinator and
three coordinators are no coordinators at all. Too many cooks in this kitchen!
Naval VetIsn't passing an integral part of the offense, and if
so, doesn't that make the Passing Game Coordinator, by definition, an
Offensive Coordinator? If ARod is the Passing Game Coordinator, does
that make Brian or Dennis the defacto Running Game Coordinator?If
during spring practice or fall camp it turns out that another QB is clearly a
better passer than Travis Wilson, who makes the call on which QB to start?Think about it, spinmeister!------"Whittingham wants BJ to control Utah's Offense, but he just
isn't as experienced/ready as..."In other words, BJ is
clearly in over his head and Kyle recognized that he made a terrible mistake in
promoting a 25-yo kid with virtually no coaching experience to OC, but in order
to save face and not embarrass himself and BJ, Kyle names Dennis and BJ
CO-offensive coordinators even though Dennis is really the OC and BJ is really
just a well-paid grad assistant with a title.Anybody who believes
that BJ will actually be "controlling" anything other than signaling in
plays is only fooling themselves.
This thread is turning into a marathon....wow.
@joco ute and any other utah "fan"Please show us one post
where "ducky" has said erickson was a bad or poor hire?The
funnest thing about beating up utah "fans" on here is that they lack all
reading comprehension and it makes it very easy to mock them. LOL!
@duckGive it a rest.
@cedarcityute"This thread is turning into a
marathon....wow."And one of the funner ones recently. I love
threads like these :)
Here's how it will work:Andy will toss the coin, Brian will
call it in the air, and winner will choose whether to make the decision, or
defer to Dennis.
@ Guam_Bomb;He was at Oregon State, not Oregon, and no, the Oregon
State teams under Erickson were FAR from clean.-One who was there.
Whittingham would be crazy to allow Erickson to get involved in recruiting. Maybe Dennis could provide some of his recruiting contacts and possibly
greet recruits when they visit Utah's campus, but otherwise, Kyle would be
wise not to even give Dennis an opportunity to do something shady with recruits.
Bluesmack:"I know of no other program in the country that the
majority of their coaches are alumni of their direct rival. Too funny!"With the addition of Dennis Erickson to Utah's staff, there are now
15 Football coaches on the Hill; 3 of whom are Y grads. I know of know other
school in the country that thinks 20% of a control group amounts to a
"majority". Too funny!P.S.: For the record, the plurality
of coaches at the U (33.3%) are Utah alumni. Epic fail!
scott:"Isn't passing an integral part of the offense, and
if so, doesn't that make the Passing Game Coordinator, by definition, an
Offensive Coordinator?"Yes, passing is an integral part of the
offense, but then again, so is running. So NO, a Passing Game Coordinator is
NOT, by definition, an O.C."If during spring practice or fall
camp it turns out that another QB is clearly a better passer than Travis Wislon,
who makes the call on which QB to start?"That would be either
Whittingham or Erickson, but I'm sure the QBs coach would have some
significant impact on that decision. And the QB coach is co-O.C. Brian
Johnson's role. It's starting to become clear to me that
cougar fans don't know what a Passing Game Coordinator does. That
coordinator is responsible for diagramming passing plays. Just passing plays.
ARod was selected for that role because he coaches the WRs, and they are
integral in the passing game. The running plays will be most likely be a
coordinated effort with Erickson/BJ and the RBs coach.
Riddles in the DarkOlympus Cove, Utah.........and that is how
they will call the plays that defeat the mighty Cougars. I could call the plays
and beat the mighty Cougars.
Snack WAC:"Dennis Erickson(65) sharing OC duties with Brian
Johnson(26) = SITCOM WAITING TO HAPPEN"I'm sure the
"SITCOM WAITING TO HAPPEN" will be when the Indy-WACers take the field
vs. a relevant team, while trotting out their army of 2-star recruits.
Didn't that "54-10" laugher win an Emmy for "Best Comedy of the
Year" back in 2011? Per Rivals, the cougars' twenty 2-star
recruits for their 2013 class was more than Utah signed COMBINED since 2009.
And since 2009, the cougars inked 47. THAT's the caliber of team
that'll be marching out of the tunnel this fall. Good luck with that
After seeing 165 comments on this, with half of them being from byu fans about
utah and the other half from utah fans to byu fans (although this is about
Utah's OC) it might be good for all of us to have a two year break from
each other (although that's just on the field, who knows what will happen
Bluesmack said:"I'm just happy that little Community
college didn't go after another former BYU Cougar great to help get them
out of mediocrity. Oh wait, they did. I know of no other program in the country
that the majority of their coaches are alumni of their direct rival. Too
funny!"Former BYU Cougar great? If they are great why
aren't they coaching at BYU or anywhere else? Former = sitting at
home waiting for the call while watching the Price is Right.Mediocrity =
Lame ESPN TV ratings, awful record against ranked teams the past several years,
More TV exposure = losing on national TV, depends on Idaho & New Mexico St.
to fill up its schedule, schools backing out of agreements to play BYU, riding
the coat tails of Notre DameThere are other schools out there with loaded
with rival alumni coaching staff. Unfortunately you did not take the time to
look into that. Too Funny!
@naval"It's starting to become clear to me that cougar fans
don't know what a Passing Game Coordinator does."That's because no one knows what a "passing game coordinator"
does. There is exactly one of those in the entire country and he is one of the
weird "tri coordinator" trainwreck going on in salt lake. How would you expect a BYU fan to "know" what a "passing game
coordinator" does when you don't even know and know one else knows
either?LOL!p.s. made up "coordinators"
aren't really coordinators at all naval, as you've been trying to
argue for the last several pages. They are wr coaches who were given titles of
non existant positions to make them feel important.
Naval VetSo Erickson and BJ won't have any input into the
passing plays ARod is drawing up? Dennis will simply assume that
ARod's plays fit within Erickson's offensive scheme and Johnson will
simply instruct his QBs to throw to the appropriate spots at the appropriate
times without regard to what the running backs and tight ends are doing? And, of course, all of the coordinators on the offensive side of the
ball, whatever you call them, will all be so in tune with each other that there
will never be any disagreements or confusion???hmmmmmThat light at the end of Utah's offensive tunnel, could easily be a train
wreck waiting to happen.btw, that "comedy series" has had
more success during its first two seasons as an Independent, than that PAC 10.2
bottom dweller on the hill.2011 BYU(10-3) #25/#26/#34 >
Utah(8-5) unranked/#392012 BYU(8-5) #26 bowl winner > Utah(5-7) #61
bowl no showSagarin's rankings, which consider SOS as well as
wins/losses, say it all.BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012, and
beat one; Utah only played TWO, and lost to both.
I wonder if Erickson has a clause in his contract that guarantees he'll
stay on after Chris Hill cleans house following a 3rd consecutive year of PAC
bottom-third dwelling???After Kyle's first two years of
bumbling with musical chair OCs and musical chair QBs his leash is surely
tightening fast. Even the bandwagoners who mussed (er rushed) the field 3 times
during the September bowl game are getting restless being last place at
everything in the PAC except for gymnastics.Go ahead and say, for
the umpteenth time, "We dominate BYU". That'll make you feel
better about your current predicament.
upinthenightLots of bogus hyperbole so lacking in substance it
doesn't even merit more than a one-word response:Delusional!---------Naval VetCan't wait to see the
weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by the kids on the hill when all of
those 4- and 5-star recruits at the U get beat by BYU's 2-star recruits.
There's no sense in denying it, U know it's coming.---------54-IQI hope you enjoy the circus, because
that's what Utah's offense is going to look like next season - a
3-ringed circus; for results, see above.
Whatsnu:"...that 'comedy series' has had more success
during its first two seasons as an Independent, than that PAC 10.2 bottom
dweller on the hill."That's a myth. If you want to compare
our two programs, look at our common opponents:In 2011, the Y went
1-1 vs. Utah and Oregon St. The Utes went 2-0 (Edge: Utah). The head-to-head
decision vs the cougars' big brother resulted in a 44-pt beat down (Edge:
Utah), and their 10-pt victory over OSU was less impressive than Utah's
19-pt win.2011 Edge: Utah. Decisively.In 2012, Y went
2-2 vs. Utah, Oregon St, Washington St, and Utah St. Similarly, the U went 2-2
vs. OSU, WSU, USU, and the Y (Edge: n/a). However, once again, the
head-to-decision went to your big brother on the Hill (Edge: Utah).
Additionally, your "point margin" performances vs. Utah (-3), OSU (-18),
WSU (+24), and USU (+3) netted to +6. Conversely, Utah's "point
margin" performance vs. OSU (-14), WSU (+43), USU (-7), and the Y (+3)
netted to +25. Another clear edge to Utah.2012 Edge: Utah.In 2012
Christine B. HedgefogIt's doubtful Erickson intends to stick
around more than a year or two - he's already 0-2 versus BYU and after next
season, it'll be 0-3.
Whatsnu:As for your "steller performance(s)" vs. a
decisively weaker SOS...they are of no consequence. Since Utah did not also
play them, they can't be counted. You can't point to your big win
over NMSU and compare it to our loss vs. UCLA. The fact remains that
head-to-head, you are 0-2 vs. Utah. Ergo, Utah > BYU. The fact remains
that your losses to common opponents are by a greater margin, and your wins are
by a slimmer margin. In every game but one - our OT loss to USU - you had been
outperformed. Your collective 2-yr record vs. measurable schools was 3-3,
whereas Utah's was 4-2. Edge: Utah.So "more
Whatsnu:"So Erickson and BJ won't have any input into the
passing plays ARod is drawing up?"ARod can draw up any plays he
wants, but without Erickson's/BJ's final approval, they don't get
played. And do you know why?It's because ARod is subordinate
to DE and BJ. ARod will only design the passing plays, and coach them to his
WRs. Don't make it out to be anything more than that just because
he's a cougar alum. ARod was once the OC, but lost it to Chow. And once
Chow left SLC, BJ - not ARod - was deemed the most fit to lead the Offense. And
now with a new OC onboard, BJ - not ARod - STILL retains the OC title.
WAC man:"Can't wait to see the weeping and wailing and
gnashing of teeth by the kids on the hill when all of those 4- and 5-star
recruits at the U get beat by BYU's 2-star recruits."Sure
you can. You bubble folk have been saying that - and waiting for it - for 4-yrs
now, and you're 0-3 on that prediction. So you're USED to waiting by
now. 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11. Don't stay up too late waiting for
Just a point of emphasis for all you haters out there. While Utah's PAC 12
record hasn't been impressive (7-11 over two years), the Utes still have a
better record than Arizona (6-12), Cal (6-12), Wash St. (3-15) and Colorado
(3-15). So, is Utah in the bottom third? Nope! Are they cellar dwellers. Nope!
Naval VetAs usual, lots of selective spin.Sagarin has
already done all of the comparing of all of the opponents for the ENTIRE season
for BYU and Utah.Bottom line:2011 BYU #34 > Utah
#392012 BYU #26 > Utah #61BYU was not only better, but
DECISIVELY better, in 2012.The only "myth" here is you
thinking that your biased opinions and spin trump reality.
navel vet"As for your "steller performance(s)" vs. a
decisively weaker SOS...""Decisively weaker" SOS,
according to whom?Sagarin SOS ratings for 2012:BYU
#63Utah #41a difference of 22 places.Compare that
to the DECISIVE difference in overall ratings:BYU #26Utah
#61a difference of 35 places.Obviously, you need a
refresher on the definition of "decisive".BYU was DECISIVELY
better overall than Utah in 2012; it's not even debatable.
86&90UTESo the Utes are 8th instead of only 9th in their first
two years in the PAC 10.2?Congratulations, you're in the middle
of the bottom half, instead of being at the top of the bottom third.Impressive!Call us when U beat your first conference opponent with
a winning record.
Solomon LeviIf the were "DECISEVELY" better, than why did
they lose to the Utes? If getting romped out of your home field 54-10 is
"DECISEVELY" better, than I have some ocean front property here in
Spokane that you might be interested in! Only a BYU Homer could spin a 54-10
thrashing! How sad, yet typical!
naval vet"Don't make it out to be anything more than that
just because he's a [Cougar] alum."What makes you think BYU
fans care that ARod is a BYU alum?"...once Chow left SLC, BJ -
not ARod - was deemed the most fit to lead the Offense."Obviously, BYU alum Kyle Whittingham made a huge mistake, which is why
he's bringing in Erickson to clean up the mess."And now
with a new OC onboard, BJ - not ARod - STILL retains the OC title."OC in name only; everyone knows that Erickson is the new sheriff in town, and
BJ will be nothing more than an overpaid graduate assistant with a different
title.btw, if ARod doesn't design any passing plays that
Erickson wants to run, does that mean that Utah will be a strictly running team
next season?This could get really interesting, at least for Utah
@naval lint"ARod can draw up any plays he wants, but without
Erickson's/BJ's final approval, they don't get played. And do you
know why?"So that is what a "passing game coordinator"
does? He sits around drawing up plays that probably won't get used?It's starting to become clear to me that naval lints don't
know what a Passing Game Coordinator does. of course that doesn't make you
the only one, no one knows what they do, or even what they are.LOL!
Naval VetDid you really think that with all of that convoluted
drivel, we'd ignore the fact that the ONLY team of any significance that
Utah beat last season was BYU?And the ONLY reason Utah's win
over BYU could be considered significant, was because BYU was overall
significantly BETTER than U?
Solomon Levi:I'm not the one spinning. The "spinners"
are those who point to their record vs. all the teams in Idaho not-named Boise
St, and tries to compare them to Utah's record vs. all the teams in SoCal,
and suggest that confirms they were the better team -- never mind the
head-to-head domination their chief rival has had over them over the past 2
decades. Sagarin's ratings are based mainly on W/L record. SOS gets
factored in, but it is a very minor metric. The bottom line is Utah beats the
Y, and performs better vs. common opponents. Utah loses more games because we
play more elite teams. 2011 Utah (54) > BYU (10)2012 Utah
(24) > BYU (21)
I love all the bickering back and forth. Like any of you really know. Bottom line - He has been a great coach and not such a great coach. How will he do at Utah is the question. Let’s revisit this debate
again in a couple of years. Half of you will be right and the other half will
be wrong. But I guarantee you that none of you know for sure right now. Nor do
I. Nor do I pretend to really know. Give credit to Coach
Wittingham for trying something big and out of the ordinary. Not sure I would
want such a renowned and or controversial coach on my staff. Not to mention
that he is older and has been there and done. I think it would be hard not to
tell Coach Wittingham how to do his job. Then again maybe he really just wants
to keep busy. Again see you in a couple of years. I will then give you my
opinion if he will do a good or bad job. In the mean time many of you please
get off your high horses.
Only problem with Erickson is, that he's had nearly every school he's
head coached at get put on NCAA probation for recruiting/paying
player/infractions of every kind. He bugs out before the punishments. Great
catch for Utah (see the sarcasm drip).
solomon leviYou post "BYU was not only better, but DECISIVELY
better, in 2012."Really? This is downright humorous. You do
realize, don't you, that Utah BEAT byu? You accuse Naval Vet of
"selective spin", then you use stats that rely on byu's 5 victories
over teams that ESPN ranked in the bottom 10 in all of college football in order
to support your case.byu fans, as painful as this may seem to you,
you DID lose to Utah last year. (And the year before, and the year before, and
the last 8 out of 11 times, and overall 56-34-4.)
Very strange hire. Is Erickson doing this to get some sunshine on an otherwise
dismal end to his career... figuring if he does well someone may hire him...
making Utah jilted at the alter? A quick stop like Urban... OrIs Whittingham bringing him in to do a Chow so DJ can learn how
it's done?Or trying to take the focus off of himself so if
things don't go well Erickson is the scapegoat?This just
doesn't smell right for a program of self-confidence. But perhaps it is a
reflection of the weakness of the program and a desperate attempt.
@ FlashbackKearns, UTLove the smack but if I were BYU
"fan" I would be careful on the NCAA probation smack.Mr.
Holmoe got Cal on probation for his years at Cal and I don't hear BYU
"fan" complaining about him.Hypocracy?
GoRedWEST VALLEY CITY, UTThose wins by Utah over BYU
aren't relevant because we beat ourselves in those games. I remember Jake
Heaps driving us down the field three years ago only to have the offensive
coordinator call for 3 straight running plays (way too conservative), only to
get a field goal blocked. Oh wait, that's the offensive
coorinator we just re hired.Nevermind.
It would be nice to be able to get on a BYU post or a U of U post and actually
talk to the respective fans about the Article! But almost with out fail some
troll jumps on and ruins it for the REAL fans.Anyway I think this is
a great thing for the U! Good luck Utes!Except 1 game next year :-)
@54iqWhat's "hypocracy"? Do you mean
'hypocrisy'?That said I don't care how many
dui's erickson has, how many of his teams went on probabtion as he skipped
town, or any of that stuff. I'm far more interested in how utah is going to
manage 3 "coordinators" on its offense? To me that has been the weird
thing from the moment they announced this.Last year when whittingham
promoted the woefully illprepared johnson it was obvious he had little
confidence in him then as he made roderick the strangely titled "passing
game coordinator" telling us that johnson was not capable of running the
offense on his own. He then switched roderick and johnson's game day
stations halfway through and put roderick in the booth where he was obviously
calling the plays instead of johnson who was banished to the sideline.Now he has 3 guys, one supposedly coordinating the "passing game", one
supposedly being a "co" and one supposedly actually running the offense.
Why would there be a guy "coordinating the passing game" that isn't
the offensive coordinator? Yes the entire thing is ill conceived and extremely
Was Sid Gillman busy?
As usual, Cougar fans are making a mountain out of a molehill of issues such as
how Whit will manage numerous offensive coordinators. They think that ending
their post with LOL! somehow makes it an intelligent post that will trounce the
logic of Utes fans. Cougar fans do this to avoid discussing more important
things such as Utah winning the last 3, 54-10, 8 out of the last 11, etc.But, to address the non-issue, here it is:Erickson will have
the "final say" on the offense. That essentially makes him the "de
facto" offensive coordinator. There. Problem solved.
@lpsupporterNo equal condemnation for your fellow athletic supporter
from highland?Currently on track to post 10, 12 ,15... comments on
the same article about UTAH Football...which BTW fit perfectly into your
indictment..."...a sad life or a miserable existence to continue
to take shots at UTAH with every posting you make with nothing else going on in
your life...".Except trips to Tulsa, of course.
SUNNY ALL DAYSaint George, UTSparrowhunter only goes to Tulsa
when his team is taking a beating, admitting later that he was at the game when
he wants to provide his game analysis.
Wow one fan base is incredibly obsessed.
goredYou do realize, don't U, - that one game does
not a season make- that FIVE Top 25 opponents is MUCH better than TWO Top
25 opponents- that one win against a Top 25 team is MUCH better than 0 Top
25 wins- that a winning record and a bowl win is MUCH better than a losing
record and no bowlThen, U shouldn't any problem accepting that at a #26 final ranking is DECISIVELY better than a #61 ranking.
@SwoopSo what?In 2010 BYU also got pounded 36-16 by a 8
loss WAC team: #114 2010 4-8 Utah State (#68 SOS)#107
2011 3-10 Colorado (#21 SOS) Bottom line, can't wait to see how
BYU does with Anae playing a "real" schedule compared to Erickson
playing a similar schedule.
Haha over 200 comments! This is awesome. Special thanks to my fellow byu fans
for proving that getting beat by Utah 3 years in a row isn't bothering us
at all!And 8 out of the last 11 especially isn't bothering us!
The score on the field doesn't matter when you know deep down that the real
winner is whoever beats the most teams from Idaho!GO COUGARS!
I don't get what all the fuss is about here. Brian Johnson needs some
additional experience and this is a good way for him to get it. The Utes offense
should improve next season.
At least Y fans don't quit when behind.
GO_CARTSSorry, but no matter how hard you try, you'll never be
a BYU Cougar!---------UteologyNice try, but
8 losses isn't 10 losses, is it?Do know how hard it is to
actually lose to a TEN-loss team?BYU has only lost to THREE 10-loss
teams in their entire history.Kyle has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in
the last six seasons.In 2007, Utah LOST to 10-loss UNLV(2-10). The ONLY other team UNLV beat in 2007 was 10-loss Utah State.That's just about as pathetic as you can possibly get, considering UNLV
SHUT OUT Utah 0-27.In 2011, Utah lost to 10-loss Colorado, a team
that hadn't won a road game in four years.The Buffaloes are so
pathetic that they've only won FOUR games in the last two years COMBINED,
and one of those games was at Utah.
@ SambonethegreatThe problem is that Utah got better with this hire,
and that has caused the vast majority of the BYU fans who comment here to have a
complete meltdown. I've honestly never seen anything like it.
Wow. Utah's new hire has Cougar fans all worked up in to a lather. I
think Duckhunter has posted 27 times on this story alone. Are you guys obsessed
fans or obsessed haters? Either way, you are obsessed.
U 90Talk about being obsessed; Utah fans are just as worked up, and
the majority of their comments have been more about BYU, than about Utah.
@u90Just having fun with it, obviously we are having more fun
mocking utah "fans" than utah "fans" are having with the new
hire. The thing I find the most interesting is the utah
"fans" inability to take it, they are only capable of dishing it. Just
go back a few weeks and read the comments on the articles about BYU hiring Anae.
Perhaps when you "fans" realize that is what makes this so
fun for us then you might be able to keep some of it from happening. But as long
as utah "fans" are going to get on BYU articles to make mocking
comments, then whine like babies when BYU fans do the same on utah articles,
then BYU fans are going to keep it up.And it is obvious BYU fans are
much more capable of handling it as we aren't whining about the utah
"fans", we're just mocking you back. Quit whining, I'm
embarrassed for all of you.
DuckhunterWell put!It is pretty interesting how
thin-skinned the kids on the hill are when it comes to having to endure even the
slightest amount of criticism. They love to dish it, but they sure can't
take it without a lot of whining.Erickson could be great or he could
be a bust. Nobody no for sure. Either way, the offense will be just as unsettled
as before when he leaves in a year or two, because nobody knows whether BJ will
ready to fly on his own when Dennis leaves.
2fer"The problem is that Utah got better with this hire, and
that has caused the vast majority of the BYU fans who comment here to have a
complete meltdown."The truth is, you don't, nor does anyone
else, know how this is going to ultimately going to turn out. It could be a huge
success. It could be a complete fiasco. Or, it could be somewhere in the
middle.Chow wasn't nearly as successful as many Utah fans were
predicting he was going to be.Whittingham is sailing uncharted
waters here, with a young kid sharing co-offensive coordinator responsibilities
with a fading senior coach, and that often ends with a sinking ship.
@2ferThat was a "frantic and emotional" post on your part
but I'll tell you what I think of the hire.It could be good,
I've actually already said that multiple times in this thread but utah
"fans" stuggle to actually comprehend any of my posts, erickson is a
proven offensive mind. There is no doubt whittingham had to do something as his
offense has been terrible the last two years and pretty mediocre since ludwig
bailed on him. But I'm not sure all of the problems have been
because of the o-coordinators, I think whittingham has been a big part of the
problem. I think his indecisiveness on who he wants running the offense, and his
micromanaging of those guys, is as much to blame as anything else. He needs to
let someone run the offense without his meddling. There were enough
stories about how he even tried to micro manage chow to just dismiss them as
nothing. erickson knows how to run an offense, now we'll see if whittingham
will actually let him do it and that includes recruiting the guys he feels he
needs to run his offense. I have my doubts.
@ DuckhunterI don't disagree with anything you said and I know
that you have acknowledged that this has the potential to be a pretty good hire
for Utah. I hope DE gives the offense an identity, and mentors BJ so he is
ready the next time he gets handed the reins. Once the offense has an
established identity I think it will much better in terms of point
production.The points you made, especially in your last post, are
all valid and I think should be discussed. I don't understand why you
detract from those by using such a condescending tone and finishing every line
with "LOL". It ruins any chance of having a quality discussion about
CFB and just a ignites flame war. If we all tried to be more civil
in our posts (and ignored Chris B) this would be one of the best places to talk
about BYU/Utah on the internet.
PAC man, consider your screen name and tell us who is obsessed.Duckhunter, you have an unusually high interest in a Utah football program
that is irrelevant. Congratulations you now own the DNews record for the most
posts ever on a Utah article
Dear Duckhunter:We are friends so I can say this. You need to relax
and quit attacking people with contention. We can't stop the Chris
B's, and I apologize for that. What we can do as U and Y fans is set an
example on how to represent our instituion's ideals, morals, and values.
Let it go my friend and celebrate the enjoyment of college sports. In the end,
it is a game that will be meaningless, whereas our acts or ommisions are
meaningful for our overall journey. Godspeed my friend.GO UTES!!
@u90I've never said utah was irrelevent to me. I enjoy
following them, much more than I used to actually as I used to not care about
them at all. But utah "fans" on here got me interested with their
comments on BYU articles. I've told you guys before that up until a couple
of years ago I had never even read an article about ute sports let alone
commented on one. But naval lint, hedghog, christina, howie, and a bunch of your
other allustrous "fans" really peked my interest in the utah sports
program and now I am a kind of a follower, well I read the articles anyway I
still don't watch much of it. But the thing I get that you
don't seem to get is that I HAVE FUN with this stuff. At 1st the comments
of guys like chris b frustrated me that is why I started to comment on utah
articles, but now it is nothing but fun. And the interesting thing about it is
that I really don't care what utah "fans" have to say about BYU
anymore, I just like giving them some of their own.
Wookie my friend thanks for the input, but you see I'm not "attacking
people with contention" at all. I'm having a good time, no contention
whatsoever in me or my comments. Now certainly I am mocking people like naval
and christina, yes I enjoy getting them bent out of shape and melting down, but
you see that is just because they are reaping what the sow. Myself
on the otherhand, well, I'm having a good time. The guys like
yourself, or 2fer, that are generally good guys seem to take this stuff pretty
hard so let me give you a little advice, we are friends afterall. Don't get
so bent about it would be the 1st thing because it really doesn't matter.
The 2nd thing is you need to be consistent because you may not realize this but
you aren't. You like to call me out but you virtually ignore naval,
christina, howie, etc. If you want me to take you seriously and be buddies with
me then you need to show me that you are just as outraged by what they write
about BYU as you are with me. Remember this is fun.
Duckhunter:"Now certainly I am mocking people like naval and
christina, yes I enjoy getting them bent out of shape and melting
down..."Whatever Duck. You ARE totally bent out of shape and
well past the meltdown stage. You can't mock Utah for owning 72.7% winning
percentage against you, and neither can you mock us for joining not only a
relevant/elite conference, but joining the very conference you and your fanbase
had been fantasizing about joining since the 1970s. You also can't mock
the nation's top postseason team, nor our two BCS bowl trophies. You
can't mock our 2 "National Coach(es) of the Year" on our staff, nor
our greater success at getting our players into the NFL.But you can
Congrats on having one of the Most Commented articles.
"WookieOmaha, NEDear Duckhunter:We are
friends so I can say this. You need to relax and quit attacking people with
contention. We can't stop the Chris B's, and I apologize for that.
What we can do as U and Y fans is set an example on how to represent our
instituion's ideals, morals, and values. Let it go my friend and celebrate
the enjoyment of college sports. In the end, it is a game that will be
meaningless, whereas our acts or ommisions are meaningful for our overall
journey. Godspeed my friend.GO UTES!!"While I
believe your attempt to be sincere, you speak for a small minority. Take a look
at the No. of Likes on Chris B's comments - There are as many as 15,
FACT-CHECK TIME: The last time I attended a South Albany High School football
game, the school was located in Albany, Oregon, south of Salem. I believe the
only high school with a football team in Woodburn, Oregon (north of Salem), is
Woodburn High School.
Naval VetYou mock yourself by pretending that BYU is irrelevant,
while everything U do SCREAMS that BYU is the gold standard by which Utah fans
measure the success or failure of their program.It's a given,
that even during the two year hiatus, there will be 100 times more comments
directed toward BYU fans from Utah fans than there will be comments directed
toward fans from all of the teams in the PAC 12 combined.Utah
wasn't invited to the PAC because of Utah's athletic programs.Utah was invited because they were a good fit culturally and
academically. It's laughable that Utah fans continue to
misrepresent that the real reason Utah was invited to join the PAC had nothing
to do with athletic prowess, despite what Scott may have said to make the Utes
and the rest of the PAC feel good about Utah's invitation. Expansion is all about television markets, PERIOD - see Rutgers and
Maryland.Utah's overall athletic success, especially in the
most important sport, football, wasn't even a factor.
Hello My Friend Duckhunter:I agree, there are many Utah fans that
are ignorant and ridiculous, but for every Utah fan that acts that way there are
as many Y fans that do the same. Can we control them? Nope, as a matter of
fact they have the agency to act accordingly. Having said that I wanted to give
you one definition of contention. It reads, "The act or an instance of
striving in controversy or debate." I ask you, is this not what you do with
the Chris B's? I only ask you my friend, to end the badgering, strife and
contention (getting someone to bite fits squarely within the definition of
contention). You points are always solid when you don't seek to cause a
controversy or debate. Keep it at a level wherein you represent our Faith and
your school. Go UTES!!
SportsFan:"Utah wasn't invited to the PAC because of
Utah's athletic programs...Utah was invited because they were a good fit
culturally and academically...It's laughable that Utah fans continue to
misrepresent that the real reason Utah was invited to join the PAC had nothing
to do with athletic prowess, despite what Scott may have said..."Wrong. Utah was invited because we were a fit in all THREE of their
requirements: Academically, Athletically, and Culturally. It's laughable
that cougar fans continue to misrepresent the real reason why the Y was NOT
invited to join an elite conference. So too is it laughable that cougar fans --
who were never present in a single Pac-10 expansion meeting -- think they know
what Scott was really thinking, despite his public appearances to the
contrary.If Utah weren't a research institution, Utah
doesn't get invited to the Pac-10.If Utah weren't a 2-time
BCS bowl winner, Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10.If Utah
were a boastful, self important, delusional school making all kinds of
unreasonable demands on elite conferences for the privilege of our association,
Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10.
To all of you whom are getting a bit heated,Whether BYU or Utah
fans, we all have one thing in common: we absolutely love football and we all
love our teams, no matter who it is. Let's not personally attack each
others intelligence or anything of that nature. This is a place to give
friendly remarks. I probably sound like a mom here, but it sounds like someone
needs to say something instead of fueling the fire. BE NICE.
Naval VetSorry, but you're wrong again, as usual. Let's debunk your "research institution" argument once and for
all.BEFORE Utah was invited to join the PAC 10, the PAC 10 was
prepared to merge with the Big 12 South, which included Texas, Texas A&M,
Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor.According to the
Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education, there are two main
classifications for "research" universities; Research University Very
High (RU/VH) and Research University High (RU/H)Let's see where
BYU's research compares to the original PAC 10/Big 12 South merger:Texas (RU/VH)Texas Tech (RU/H)Texas A&M (RU/VH)Baylor (RU/H)Oklahoma (RU/VH)Okla St (RU/H)BYU
(RU/H)As you can see, BYU has the exact same "research"
classification as Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, whom the PAC 10 was ready to
welcome with open arms, and Baylor, whom the PAC 10 excluded because Baylor,
like BYU, is a private religious school.You're only fooling
yourself if you think the PAC 10 actually thought Utah's two
flash-in-the-pan BCS bowl wins even come close to matching BYU's four
decades of football excellence.
Naval Vet"If Utah weren't a research institution, Utah
doesn't get invited to the Pac-10."False!As
Solomon Levi already documented, being a Very High Research University was more
of a nice to have, than a requirement."If Utah weren't a
2-time BCS bowl winner, Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10."False!Colorado was destroyed in their only BCS bowl
appearance in 2002 and the Buffaloes haven't had a winning season since
2005, yet Colorado was invited BEFORE the PAC 10/Big 12 South merger fell apart.
Utah was nothing more than a warm body to fill the 12th spot on the roster so
PAC 12 could play a championship game."If Utah were a boastful,
self important, delusional school making all kinds of unreasonable
demands...blah, blah, blah"False characterization, let me help
you out.If Utah were a private, religiously-based school like Baylor
or BYU, Utah wouldn't be a member of the PAC 12, regardless of your
research, academics, or recent football success.
Solomon Levi:"BYU has the exact same "research"
classification as Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, whom the PAC 10 was ready to
welcome with open arms, and Baylor, whom the PAC 10 excluded because Baylor,
like BYU, is a private religious school."You seem to be under
the mistaken assumption that the Pac-10 wanted to invite Tx. Tech and Okla. St.
But they DIDN'T. The Pac-10 wanted to invite Texas and Oklahoma. TT and
OSU was just the baggage that was needed in order for the Texas and Oklahoma
legislatures to approve of the conference change. The same issue occurred with
the BigTen's courtship of Texas. There, the BigTen talked about the
"Tech problem".Seriously ask yourself: Without Texas, does
TT get invited to the Pac-10?Nope.Without Oklahoma,
does OSU get invited to the Pac-10?Nope.
Just the FAX:"As Solomon Levi already documented, being a Very
High Research University was more of a nice to have, than a requirement."Very High Research IS a requirement for the Pac-12. It's just that
in the case of TT and OSU, the "Very High Research" classification was
assigned to Texas and Oklahoma...and even at that, it was Texas who the
conference REALLY wanted. Oklahoma was desired as a "rivalry" component
for Texas; especially since A&M wasn't interested. TT and OSU was just
the baggage that needed carrying in order to make it happen.As I had
told Solomon Levi, without Texas, Tech doesn't get an invitation. And
without Oklahoma, OSU doesn't get an invitation. But, in 2011, it played
out that without Texas....Oklahoma doesn't get an invitation. After Texas
"saved" the Big 12, A&M abandoned it. Texas started flirting with
"independence", and Oklahoma (and OSU) opted to reapply to the Pac-12.
But they were denied.
Solomon Levi and Just the FAX:"If Utah were a private,
religiously-based school like Baylor or BYU, Utah wouldn't be a member of
the PAC 12..."Easy to say when one doesn't have to prove
it. Ergo, you have no point. The Big 12 expanded...and added a
religiously-based school, but they chose TCU; not the cougars. And that was
DESPITE not adding any television viewers. Dallas/Ft. Worth is a Texas/Tx. Tech
enclave, with a high volume of Oklahoma and Baylor fans as well. Baylor
didn't want TCU in, and Texas wasn't too excited about it either. In
fact, at one point, the Big 12 said they weren't interested in adding a
school within their own footprint....but as the weeks passed, it was the 2-time
"BCS bowl busting" Frogs who were added.You can't say
you weren't invited to an expanding elite (Pac-10) conference because of
religion when another expanding elite (Big 12) conference -- who DOES have (2)
religiously-based institutions in its membership -- didn't want you EITHER!
Naval VetLaughing out loud at your spin. If being a Very
High Research University was a REQUIREMENT for membership in the PAC, then it
would apply to EVERY member. It's laughable to even suggest that the PAC
wouldn't have accepted Texas and Oklahoma if they'd only been High
Research Universities.But, thanks for FINALLY being willing to admit
that being a Very High Research University was NEVER a PAC REQUIREMENT. At least
you're making grudging progress towards reality.
"The Big 12 expanded...and added a religiously-based school, but they chose
TCU."The Big 12 isn't the PAC 12 is it? So what
relevance does TCU's invitation to the Big 12 have to do with Utah not
being invited to the PAC 12 if Utah had been a private religiously based school?
In fact, the Big 12 already had a private, religiously based
university, Baylor, which the PAC 12 conveniently shut out of the of the PAC
10/Big 12 South merger equation by hastily inviting Colorado to replace
Baylor.Unlike the PAC 12, the Big 12 doesn't have a problem
associating with private religious schools.Why the Big 12 chose TCU,
instead of BYU, is pure speculation - better geographical fit, BYU's no
Sunday play policy, historical ties, a combination of all three - nobody can say
for sure, certainly not you.
Uteanymous:"But, thanks for FINALLY being willing to admit that
being a Very High Research University was NEVER a PAC REQUIREMENT"I admitted no such thing. That was just you trying to put words in my mouth.
"Very High Research" IS a requirement for the Pac-12. And Texas and
Oklahoma met that standard. The Pac-10 wasn't going to admit Texas'
and Oklahoma's Science/Engineering Dept. ONLY. They were taking the entire
school. So why were TT and OSU considered? Well...I already told you. Because
the Pac-10 wanted TEXAS! With TEXAS, the Pac-10 gets their Very High Research
addition. Without Texas, they don't. So if the Pac-10 wanted Texas, and
the "Very High Research" classification that comes with it......and Texas only comes if the Pac-12 allows TT to come with it......then the Pac-10 adds both Texas and TT, and gets their "Very High
Research" institution. I can't understand why that's so difficult
for you to understand.Texas' coattails are long enough to drag
TT in. Ditto for Oklahoma with OSU. Unfortunately for you, Utah's were
NOT long enough to drag in OUR little brother, so it was just us.
Uteanymous:The Big 12's snub of the Indy-WACers is relevant
because the Big 12 -- like the Pac-12 -- is an elite conference that was seeking
new membership. Nowhere in the Pac-10/12 bylaws is there a requirement that a
member cannot be associated with private funding or religion. Just because you
didn't get in, that does not insinutate religion was the reason. There are
currently no Black colleges in the Pac-12 (nor any OTHER elite FBS conference),
but those schools' association with African-American education has nothing
to do with their absence of membership."Unlike the PAC 12, the
Big 12 doesn't have a problem associating with private religious
schools."But it DOES have a problem with inviting the cougars.
So if a confederation of schools -- with a lower academic/research admission
requirement than the Pac-12 (as well as BigTen and ACC) no less -- didn't
want the Y, why would one who has more rigorous membership requirements? You
didn't get in because you weren't wanted.Utah met all
three requirements, and that's why we are in. The Y met none, and
that's why they are not.
Naval Vet"Very High Research" IS a requirement for the
Pac-12."NO it is NOT!Even you admitted that Texas
Tech and Oklahoma State would have been admitted to the PAC despite NOT being
Very High Research Universities.Texas would have been admitted even
if the Longhorns were NOT a Very High Research University.Oklahoma would
have been admitted even if the Sooners were NOT a Very High Research
University.------Try, for once, to stick to the subject.
Your entire diatribe about BYU and the Big 12 is nothing but your
typical BYU-hating spin.It's completely irrelevant to the topic
of Utah NOT being a member of the PAC 12 if the Utes were a private religious
Naval Vet"Nowhere in the Pac-10/12 bylaws is there a requirement
that a member cannot be associated with private funding or religion."Don't be silly! The PAC 12 isn't so stupid that
they would open themselves up to a Federal lawsuit by codifying something so
blatantly discriminatory in their bylaws. That doesn't, however, prevent
one or more schools from voting, or threatening to vote, against admitting any
private religiously-based school.----Re: "research
universities": Boston College, Clemson, and Wake Forrest are already members
and Syracuse will soon be joining the ACC; Rutgers (Rutgers-Newark is where the
football program is located) will soon be joining the Big Ten.All
are High Research Universities (same category as BYU). Your
"research university" arguments are so full of holes they resemble Swiss
re: Naval Vet's make believe world of conference realignmentUtah is only in the PAC because they were the best available fit culturally,
academically and geographically at the time. Having decent athletic
programs was nice, but the only real requirement was having a Div 1-A football
program so the PAC could host a football championship game.Bottom
line:Utah's invitation to the PAC had absolutely nothing to do
with any on field accomplishments of Utah's football program.Thanks for playing.
Just the FAX:"Even you admitted that Texas Tech and Oklahoma
State would have been admitted to the PAC despite NOT being Very High Research
Universities."Again...what I said was TEXAS (and Oklahoma) had
the "Very High Research" classification. The Pac-10 wanted TEXAS.
Enough to let their (and Oklahoma's) little brother tag along. Now do the
math. Which scenerio might look better to the Pac-10? (a) 10
"Very High Research" schools(b) 12 "Very High Research"
schools(c) 14 "Very High Research" schoolsAnswer: 14
> 12 > 10...and without Texas (and Oklahoma), there IS no
14. The Pac-12 had the option of inviting 0, 2, or 6. Notice that 4 was not an
option. So it IS a requirement. It's just that in Tech's and
State's case, that requirement was met by UT and OU. You're just sour
that with or without Texas, the 2-time BCS bowl busting Utes still joins the the
Pac-12/16, whereas the Y must leave no stone unturned in seeking out which of
the worst teams in the WAC have an open date in November.
Naval VetGive it a rest.You've already admitted
that the PAC wanted Texas so badly, that they were willing to make any
concession necessary to get the Longhorns, including waving the
"requirement" to have a particular research classification. If Texas
hadn't been a RU/VH, the PAC would have caved on that "requirement"
for Texas, just like they were willing to do for Texas Tech and Oklahoma
State.Regardless of your frantic and emotional spin, the so-called
research "requirement" for admittance to the PAC was not a
"requirement" at all; it was never anything more than a research
"nice to have".
@navel vet"It's just that in Tech's and State's
case, that requirement was met by UT and OU."Really, that's
the feeble argument you're sticking with to help you sleep at night?LOL!
Perhaps it would be easier for the bywhiners to understand it another way. Who
desperately wants to be asked but is known to be high maintenance, a poor fit in
the academic world and in the end, all things measured, bring more requirements
than benefits to the table? That would be the tds.
Talk about a poor fit, the Utes have been an absolute embarrassment as a PAC
10.2 "competitor".What benefits have U brought to the table
except for being a good punching bag for the big boys of the conference?All talk, but not walk... the would be U.
@ Y's little brotherUtah football is 6-1 (including the Sun
Bowl) against non-conference teams. That raises the conference profile.