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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 3:18 a.m.

    @ Y's little brother

    Utah football is 6-1 (including the Sun Bowl) against non-conference teams. That raises the conference profile.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    Talk about a poor fit, the Utes have been an absolute embarrassment as a PAC 10.2 "competitor".

    What benefits have U brought to the table except for being a good punching bag for the big boys of the conference?

    All talk, but not walk... the would be U.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Perhaps it would be easier for the bywhiners to understand it another way. Who desperately wants to be asked but is known to be high maintenance, a poor fit in the academic world and in the end, all things measured, bring more requirements than benefits to the table?

    That would be the tds.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    @navel vet

    "It's just that in Tech's and State's case, that requirement was met by UT and OU."

    Really, that's the feeble argument you're sticking with to help you sleep at night?

    LOL!

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Give it a rest.

    You've already admitted that the PAC wanted Texas so badly, that they were willing to make any concession necessary to get the Longhorns, including waving the "requirement" to have a particular research classification. If Texas hadn't been a RU/VH, the PAC would have caved on that "requirement" for Texas, just like they were willing to do for Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.

    Regardless of your frantic and emotional spin, the so-called research "requirement" for admittance to the PAC was not a "requirement" at all; it was never anything more than a research "nice to have".

  • FB Fan #2 Grantsville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    GO AGGIES!!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Just the FAX:

    "Even you admitted that Texas Tech and Oklahoma State would have been admitted to the PAC despite NOT being Very High Research Universities."

    Again...what I said was TEXAS (and Oklahoma) had the "Very High Research" classification. The Pac-10 wanted TEXAS. Enough to let their (and Oklahoma's) little brother tag along. Now do the math. Which scenerio might look better to the Pac-10?

    (a) 10 "Very High Research" schools
    (b) 12 "Very High Research" schools
    (c) 14 "Very High Research" schools

    Answer: 14 > 12 > 10

    ...and without Texas (and Oklahoma), there IS no 14. The Pac-12 had the option of inviting 0, 2, or 6. Notice that 4 was not an option. So it IS a requirement. It's just that in Tech's and State's case, that requirement was met by UT and OU. You're just sour that with or without Texas, the 2-time BCS bowl busting Utes still joins the the Pac-12/16, whereas the Y must leave no stone unturned in seeking out which of the worst teams in the WAC have an open date in November.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    re: Naval Vet's make believe world of conference realignment

    Utah is only in the PAC because they were the best available fit culturally, academically and geographically at the time.

    Having decent athletic programs was nice, but the only real requirement was having a Div 1-A football program so the PAC could host a football championship game.

    Bottom line:

    Utah's invitation to the PAC had absolutely nothing to do with any on field accomplishments of Utah's football program.

    Thanks for playing.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Nowhere in the Pac-10/12 bylaws is there a requirement that a member cannot be associated with private funding or religion."

    Don't be silly!

    The PAC 12 isn't so stupid that they would open themselves up to a Federal lawsuit by codifying something so blatantly discriminatory in their bylaws. That doesn't, however, prevent one or more schools from voting, or threatening to vote, against admitting any private religiously-based school.

    ----

    Re: "research universities": Boston College, Clemson, and Wake Forrest are already members and Syracuse will soon be joining the ACC; Rutgers (Rutgers-Newark is where the football program is located) will soon be joining the Big Ten.

    All are High Research Universities (same category as BYU).

    Your "research university" arguments are so full of holes they resemble Swiss Cheese.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Very High Research" IS a requirement for the Pac-12."

    NO it is NOT!

    Even you admitted that Texas Tech and Oklahoma State would have been admitted to the PAC despite NOT being Very High Research Universities.

    Texas would have been admitted even if the Longhorns were NOT a Very High Research University.
    Oklahoma would have been admitted even if the Sooners were NOT a Very High Research University.

    ------

    Try, for once, to stick to the subject.

    Your entire diatribe about BYU and the Big 12 is nothing but your typical BYU-hating spin.

    It's completely irrelevant to the topic of Utah NOT being a member of the PAC 12 if the Utes were a private religious school.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Uteanymous:

    The Big 12's snub of the Indy-WACers is relevant because the Big 12 -- like the Pac-12 -- is an elite conference that was seeking new membership. Nowhere in the Pac-10/12 bylaws is there a requirement that a member cannot be associated with private funding or religion. Just because you didn't get in, that does not insinutate religion was the reason. There are currently no Black colleges in the Pac-12 (nor any OTHER elite FBS conference), but those schools' association with African-American education has nothing to do with their absence of membership.

    "Unlike the PAC 12, the Big 12 doesn't have a problem associating with private religious schools."

    But it DOES have a problem with inviting the cougars. So if a confederation of schools -- with a lower academic/research admission requirement than the Pac-12 (as well as BigTen and ACC) no less -- didn't want the Y, why would one who has more rigorous membership requirements? You didn't get in because you weren't wanted.

    Utah met all three requirements, and that's why we are in. The Y met none, and that's why they are not.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Uteanymous:

    "But, thanks for FINALLY being willing to admit that being a Very High Research University was NEVER a PAC REQUIREMENT"

    I admitted no such thing. That was just you trying to put words in my mouth. "Very High Research" IS a requirement for the Pac-12. And Texas and Oklahoma met that standard. The Pac-10 wasn't going to admit Texas' and Oklahoma's Science/Engineering Dept. ONLY. They were taking the entire school. So why were TT and OSU considered? Well...I already told you. Because the Pac-10 wanted TEXAS! With TEXAS, the Pac-10 gets their Very High Research addition. Without Texas, they don't. So if the Pac-10 wanted Texas, and the "Very High Research" classification that comes with it...

    ...and Texas only comes if the Pac-12 allows TT to come with it...

    ...then the Pac-10 adds both Texas and TT, and gets their "Very High Research" institution. I can't understand why that's so difficult for you to understand.

    Texas' coattails are long enough to drag TT in. Ditto for Oklahoma with OSU. Unfortunately for you, Utah's were NOT long enough to drag in OUR little brother, so it was just us.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    "The Big 12 expanded...and added a religiously-based school, but they chose TCU."

    The Big 12 isn't the PAC 12 is it?

    So what relevance does TCU's invitation to the Big 12 have to do with Utah not being invited to the PAC 12 if Utah had been a private religiously based school?

    In fact, the Big 12 already had a private, religiously based university, Baylor, which the PAC 12 conveniently shut out of the of the PAC 10/Big 12 South merger equation by hastily inviting Colorado to replace Baylor.

    Unlike the PAC 12, the Big 12 doesn't have a problem associating with private religious schools.

    Why the Big 12 chose TCU, instead of BYU, is pure speculation - better geographical fit, BYU's no Sunday play policy, historical ties, a combination of all three - nobody can say for sure, certainly not you.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    Laughing out loud at your spin.

    If being a Very High Research University was a REQUIREMENT for membership in the PAC, then it would apply to EVERY member. It's laughable to even suggest that the PAC wouldn't have accepted Texas and Oklahoma if they'd only been High Research Universities.

    But, thanks for FINALLY being willing to admit that being a Very High Research University was NEVER a PAC REQUIREMENT. At least you're making grudging progress towards reality.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    Solomon Levi and Just the FAX:

    "If Utah were a private, religiously-based school like Baylor or BYU, Utah wouldn't be a member of the PAC 12..."

    Easy to say when one doesn't have to prove it. Ergo, you have no point. The Big 12 expanded...and added a religiously-based school, but they chose TCU; not the cougars. And that was DESPITE not adding any television viewers. Dallas/Ft. Worth is a Texas/Tx. Tech enclave, with a high volume of Oklahoma and Baylor fans as well. Baylor didn't want TCU in, and Texas wasn't too excited about it either. In fact, at one point, the Big 12 said they weren't interested in adding a school within their own footprint....but as the weeks passed, it was the 2-time "BCS bowl busting" Frogs who were added.

    You can't say you weren't invited to an expanding elite (Pac-10) conference because of religion when another expanding elite (Big 12) conference -- who DOES have (2) religiously-based institutions in its membership -- didn't want you EITHER!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    Just the FAX:

    "As Solomon Levi already documented, being a Very High Research University was more of a nice to have, than a requirement."

    Very High Research IS a requirement for the Pac-12. It's just that in the case of TT and OSU, the "Very High Research" classification was assigned to Texas and Oklahoma...and even at that, it was Texas who the conference REALLY wanted. Oklahoma was desired as a "rivalry" component for Texas; especially since A&M wasn't interested. TT and OSU was just the baggage that needed carrying in order to make it happen.

    As I had told Solomon Levi, without Texas, Tech doesn't get an invitation. And without Oklahoma, OSU doesn't get an invitation. But, in 2011, it played out that without Texas....Oklahoma doesn't get an invitation. After Texas "saved" the Big 12, A&M abandoned it. Texas started flirting with "independence", and Oklahoma (and OSU) opted to reapply to the Pac-12. But they were denied.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    Solomon Levi:

    "BYU has the exact same "research" classification as Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, whom the PAC 10 was ready to welcome with open arms, and Baylor, whom the PAC 10 excluded because Baylor, like BYU, is a private religious school."

    You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that the Pac-10 wanted to invite Tx. Tech and Okla. St. But they DIDN'T. The Pac-10 wanted to invite Texas and Oklahoma. TT and OSU was just the baggage that was needed in order for the Texas and Oklahoma legislatures to approve of the conference change. The same issue occurred with the BigTen's courtship of Texas. There, the BigTen talked about the "Tech problem".

    Seriously ask yourself: Without Texas, does TT get invited to the Pac-10?

    Nope.

    Without Oklahoma, does OSU get invited to the Pac-10?

    Nope.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "If Utah weren't a research institution, Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10."

    False!

    As Solomon Levi already documented, being a Very High Research University was more of a nice to have, than a requirement.

    "If Utah weren't a 2-time BCS bowl winner, Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10."

    False!

    Colorado was destroyed in their only BCS bowl appearance in 2002 and the Buffaloes haven't had a winning season since 2005, yet Colorado was invited BEFORE the PAC 10/Big 12 South merger fell apart. Utah was nothing more than a warm body to fill the 12th spot on the roster so PAC 12 could play a championship game.

    "If Utah were a boastful, self important, delusional school making all kinds of unreasonable demands...blah, blah, blah"

    False characterization, let me help you out.

    If Utah were a private, religiously-based school like Baylor or BYU, Utah wouldn't be a member of the PAC 12, regardless of your research, academics, or recent football success.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Sorry, but you're wrong again, as usual.

    Let's debunk your "research institution" argument once and for all.

    BEFORE Utah was invited to join the PAC 10, the PAC 10 was prepared to merge with the Big 12 South, which included Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor.

    According to the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education, there are two main classifications for "research" universities; Research University Very High (RU/VH) and Research University High (RU/H)

    Let's see where BYU's research compares to the original PAC 10/Big 12 South merger:

    Texas (RU/VH)
    Texas Tech (RU/H)
    Texas A&M (RU/VH)
    Baylor (RU/H)
    Oklahoma (RU/VH)
    Okla St (RU/H)

    BYU (RU/H)

    As you can see, BYU has the exact same "research" classification as Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, whom the PAC 10 was ready to welcome with open arms, and Baylor, whom the PAC 10 excluded because Baylor, like BYU, is a private religious school.

    You're only fooling yourself if you think the PAC 10 actually thought Utah's two flash-in-the-pan BCS bowl wins even come close to matching BYU's four decades of football excellence.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    To all of you whom are getting a bit heated,

    Whether BYU or Utah fans, we all have one thing in common: we absolutely love football and we all love our teams, no matter who it is. Let's not personally attack each others intelligence or anything of that nature. This is a place to give friendly remarks. I probably sound like a mom here, but it sounds like someone needs to say something instead of fueling the fire. BE NICE.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    "Utah wasn't invited to the PAC because of Utah's athletic programs...Utah was invited because they were a good fit culturally and academically...It's laughable that Utah fans continue to misrepresent that the real reason Utah was invited to join the PAC had nothing to do with athletic prowess, despite what Scott may have said..."

    Wrong. Utah was invited because we were a fit in all THREE of their requirements: Academically, Athletically, and Culturally. It's laughable that cougar fans continue to misrepresent the real reason why the Y was NOT invited to join an elite conference. So too is it laughable that cougar fans -- who were never present in a single Pac-10 expansion meeting -- think they know what Scott was really thinking, despite his public appearances to the contrary.

    If Utah weren't a research institution, Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10.

    If Utah weren't a 2-time BCS bowl winner, Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10.

    If Utah were a boastful, self important, delusional school making all kinds of unreasonable demands on elite conferences for the privilege of our association, Utah doesn't get invited to the Pac-10.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    Hello My Friend Duckhunter:

    I agree, there are many Utah fans that are ignorant and ridiculous, but for every Utah fan that acts that way there are as many Y fans that do the same. Can we control them? Nope, as a matter of fact they have the agency to act accordingly. Having said that I wanted to give you one definition of contention. It reads, "The act or an instance of striving in controversy or debate." I ask you, is this not what you do with the Chris B's? I only ask you my friend, to end the badgering, strife and contention (getting someone to bite fits squarely within the definition of contention). You points are always solid when you don't seek to cause a controversy or debate. Keep it at a level wherein you represent our Faith and your school.

    Go UTES!!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    You mock yourself by pretending that BYU is irrelevant, while everything U do SCREAMS that BYU is the gold standard by which Utah fans measure the success or failure of their program.

    It's a given, that even during the two year hiatus, there will be 100 times more comments directed toward BYU fans from Utah fans than there will be comments directed toward fans from all of the teams in the PAC 12 combined.

    Utah wasn't invited to the PAC because of Utah's athletic programs.

    Utah was invited because they were a good fit culturally and academically.

    It's laughable that Utah fans continue to misrepresent that the real reason Utah was invited to join the PAC had nothing to do with athletic prowess, despite what Scott may have said to make the Utes and the rest of the PAC feel good about Utah's invitation.

    Expansion is all about television markets, PERIOD - see Rutgers and Maryland.

    Utah's overall athletic success, especially in the most important sport, football, wasn't even a factor.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    FACT-CHECK TIME: The last time I attended a South Albany High School football game, the school was located in Albany, Oregon, south of Salem. I believe the only high school with a football team in Woodburn, Oregon (north of Salem), is Woodburn High School.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    "Wookie

    Omaha, NE

    Dear Duckhunter:

    We are friends so I can say this. You need to relax and quit attacking people with contention. We can't stop the Chris B's, and I apologize for that. What we can do as U and Y fans is set an example on how to represent our instituion's ideals, morals, and values. Let it go my friend and celebrate the enjoyment of college sports. In the end, it is a game that will be meaningless, whereas our acts or ommisions are meaningful for our overall journey. Godspeed my friend.

    GO UTES!!"

    While I believe your attempt to be sincere, you speak for a small minority. Take a look at the No. of Likes on Chris B's comments - There are as many as 15, sometimes more...

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Congrats on having one of the Most Commented articles.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "Now certainly I am mocking people like naval and christina, yes I enjoy getting them bent out of shape and melting down..."

    Whatever Duck. You ARE totally bent out of shape and well past the meltdown stage. You can't mock Utah for owning 72.7% winning percentage against you, and neither can you mock us for joining not only a relevant/elite conference, but joining the very conference you and your fanbase had been fantasizing about joining since the 1970s. You also can't mock the nation's top postseason team, nor our two BCS bowl trophies. You can't mock our 2 "National Coach(es) of the Year" on our staff, nor our greater success at getting our players into the NFL.

    But you can pretend to.

    "LOL"

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    Wookie my friend thanks for the input, but you see I'm not "attacking people with contention" at all. I'm having a good time, no contention whatsoever in me or my comments. Now certainly I am mocking people like naval and christina, yes I enjoy getting them bent out of shape and melting down, but you see that is just because they are reaping what the sow.

    Myself on the otherhand, well, I'm having a good time.

    The guys like yourself, or 2fer, that are generally good guys seem to take this stuff pretty hard so let me give you a little advice, we are friends afterall. Don't get so bent about it would be the 1st thing because it really doesn't matter. The 2nd thing is you need to be consistent because you may not realize this but you aren't. You like to call me out but you virtually ignore naval, christina, howie, etc. If you want me to take you seriously and be buddies with me then you need to show me that you are just as outraged by what they write about BYU as you are with me.

    Remember this is fun.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    @u90

    I've never said utah was irrelevent to me. I enjoy following them, much more than I used to actually as I used to not care about them at all. But utah "fans" on here got me interested with their comments on BYU articles. I've told you guys before that up until a couple of years ago I had never even read an article about ute sports let alone commented on one. But naval lint, hedghog, christina, howie, and a bunch of your other allustrous "fans" really peked my interest in the utah sports program and now I am a kind of a follower, well I read the articles anyway I still don't watch much of it.

    But the thing I get that you don't seem to get is that I HAVE FUN with this stuff. At 1st the comments of guys like chris b frustrated me that is why I started to comment on utah articles, but now it is nothing but fun. And the interesting thing about it is that I really don't care what utah "fans" have to say about BYU anymore, I just like giving them some of their own.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Feb. 13, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    Dear Duckhunter:

    We are friends so I can say this. You need to relax and quit attacking people with contention. We can't stop the Chris B's, and I apologize for that. What we can do as U and Y fans is set an example on how to represent our instituion's ideals, morals, and values. Let it go my friend and celebrate the enjoyment of college sports. In the end, it is a game that will be meaningless, whereas our acts or ommisions are meaningful for our overall journey. Godspeed my friend.

    GO UTES!!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Feb. 13, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    PAC man, consider your screen name and tell us who is obsessed.

    Duckhunter, you have an unusually high interest in a Utah football program that is irrelevant. Congratulations you now own the DNews record for the most posts ever on a Utah article

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    I don't disagree with anything you said and I know that you have acknowledged that this has the potential to be a pretty good hire for Utah. I hope DE gives the offense an identity, and mentors BJ so he is ready the next time he gets handed the reins. Once the offense has an established identity I think it will much better in terms of point production.

    The points you made, especially in your last post, are all valid and I think should be discussed. I don't understand why you detract from those by using such a condescending tone and finishing every line with "LOL". It ruins any chance of having a quality discussion about CFB and just a ignites flame war.

    If we all tried to be more civil in our posts (and ignored Chris B) this would be one of the best places to talk about BYU/Utah on the internet.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    @2fer

    That was a "frantic and emotional" post on your part but I'll tell you what I think of the hire.

    It could be good, I've actually already said that multiple times in this thread but utah "fans" stuggle to actually comprehend any of my posts, erickson is a proven offensive mind. There is no doubt whittingham had to do something as his offense has been terrible the last two years and pretty mediocre since ludwig bailed on him.

    But I'm not sure all of the problems have been because of the o-coordinators, I think whittingham has been a big part of the problem. I think his indecisiveness on who he wants running the offense, and his micromanaging of those guys, is as much to blame as anything else. He needs to let someone run the offense without his meddling.

    There were enough stories about how he even tried to micro manage chow to just dismiss them as nothing. erickson knows how to run an offense, now we'll see if whittingham will actually let him do it and that includes recruiting the guys he feels he needs to run his offense. I have my doubts.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    2fer

    "The problem is that Utah got better with this hire, and that has caused the vast majority of the BYU fans who comment here to have a complete meltdown."

    The truth is, you don't, nor does anyone else, know how this is going to ultimately going to turn out. It could be a huge success. It could be a complete fiasco. Or, it could be somewhere in the middle.

    Chow wasn't nearly as successful as many Utah fans were predicting he was going to be.

    Whittingham is sailing uncharted waters here, with a young kid sharing co-offensive coordinator responsibilities with a fading senior coach, and that often ends with a sinking ship.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    Well put!

    It is pretty interesting how thin-skinned the kids on the hill are when it comes to having to endure even the slightest amount of criticism. They love to dish it, but they sure can't take it without a lot of whining.

    Erickson could be great or he could be a bust. Nobody no for sure. Either way, the offense will be just as unsettled as before when he leaves in a year or two, because nobody knows whether BJ will ready to fly on his own when Dennis leaves.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    @u90

    Just having fun with it, obviously we are having more fun mocking utah "fans" than utah "fans" are having with the new hire.

    The thing I find the most interesting is the utah "fans" inability to take it, they are only capable of dishing it. Just go back a few weeks and read the comments on the articles about BYU hiring Anae.

    Perhaps when you "fans" realize that is what makes this so fun for us then you might be able to keep some of it from happening. But as long as utah "fans" are going to get on BYU articles to make mocking comments, then whine like babies when BYU fans do the same on utah articles, then BYU fans are going to keep it up.

    And it is obvious BYU fans are much more capable of handling it as we aren't whining about the utah "fans", we're just mocking you back. Quit whining, I'm embarrassed for all of you.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 13, 2013 12:46 a.m.

    U 90

    Talk about being obsessed; Utah fans are just as worked up, and the majority of their comments have been more about BYU, than about Utah.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    Wow. Utah's new hire has Cougar fans all worked up in to a lather. I think Duckhunter has posted 27 times on this story alone. Are you guys obsessed fans or obsessed haters? Either way, you are obsessed.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:37 p.m.

    @ Sambonethegreat

    The problem is that Utah got better with this hire, and that has caused the vast majority of the BYU fans who comment here to have a complete meltdown. I've honestly never seen anything like it.

  • Utes-Best Lil Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 12, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    GO_CARTS

    Sorry, but no matter how hard you try, you'll never be a BYU Cougar!

    ---------

    Uteology

    Nice try, but 8 losses isn't 10 losses, is it?

    Do know how hard it is to actually lose to a TEN-loss team?

    BYU has only lost to THREE 10-loss teams in their entire history.

    Kyle has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last six seasons.

    In 2007, Utah LOST to 10-loss UNLV(2-10).

    The ONLY other team UNLV beat in 2007 was 10-loss Utah State.

    That's just about as pathetic as you can possibly get, considering UNLV SHUT OUT Utah 0-27.

    In 2011, Utah lost to 10-loss Colorado, a team that hadn't won a road game in four years.

    The Buffaloes are so pathetic that they've only won FOUR games in the last two years COMBINED, and one of those games was at Utah.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    At least Y fans don't quit when behind.

  • Sambonethegreat Logan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    I don't get what all the fuss is about here. Brian Johnson needs some additional experience and this is a good way for him to get it. The Utes offense should improve next season.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    Haha over 200 comments! This is awesome. Special thanks to my fellow byu fans for proving that getting beat by Utah 3 years in a row isn't bothering us at all!

    And 8 out of the last 11 especially isn't bothering us! The score on the field doesn't matter when you know deep down that the real winner is whoever beats the most teams from Idaho!

    GO COUGARS!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    @Swoop

    So what?

    In 2010 BYU also got pounded 36-16 by a 8 loss WAC team:

    #114 2010 4-8 Utah State (#68 SOS)

    #107 2011 3-10 Colorado (#21 SOS)

    Bottom line, can't wait to see how BYU does with Anae playing a "real" schedule compared to Erickson playing a similar schedule.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2013 7:05 p.m.

    gored

    You do realize, don't U,

    - that one game does not a season make
    - that FIVE Top 25 opponents is MUCH better than TWO Top 25 opponents
    - that one win against a Top 25 team is MUCH better than 0 Top 25 wins
    - that a winning record and a bowl win is MUCH better than a losing record and no bowl

    Then, U shouldn't any problem accepting

    that at a #26 final ranking is DECISIVELY better than a #61 ranking.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    Wow one fan base is incredibly obsessed.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    SUNNY ALL DAY
    Saint George, UT

    Sparrowhunter only goes to Tulsa when his team is taking a beating, admitting later that he was at the game when he wants to provide his game analysis.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    @lpsupporter

    No equal condemnation for your fellow athletic supporter from highland?

    Currently on track to post 10, 12 ,15... comments on the same article about UTAH Football...which BTW fit perfectly into your indictment...

    "...a sad life or a miserable existence to continue to take shots at UTAH with every posting you make with nothing else going on in your life...".

    Except trips to Tulsa, of course.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    As usual, Cougar fans are making a mountain out of a molehill of issues such as how Whit will manage numerous offensive coordinators. They think that ending their post with LOL! somehow makes it an intelligent post that will trounce the logic of Utes fans. Cougar fans do this to avoid discussing more important things such as Utah winning the last 3, 54-10, 8 out of the last 11, etc.

    But, to address the non-issue, here it is:

    Erickson will have the "final say" on the offense. That essentially makes him the "de facto" offensive coordinator.

    There. Problem solved.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 12, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    Was Sid Gillman busy?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    @54iq

    What's "hypocracy"? Do you mean 'hypocrisy'?

    That said I don't care how many dui's erickson has, how many of his teams went on probabtion as he skipped town, or any of that stuff. I'm far more interested in how utah is going to manage 3 "coordinators" on its offense? To me that has been the weird thing from the moment they announced this.

    Last year when whittingham promoted the woefully illprepared johnson it was obvious he had little confidence in him then as he made roderick the strangely titled "passing game coordinator" telling us that johnson was not capable of running the offense on his own. He then switched roderick and johnson's game day stations halfway through and put roderick in the booth where he was obviously calling the plays instead of johnson who was banished to the sideline.

    Now he has 3 guys, one supposedly coordinating the "passing game", one supposedly being a "co" and one supposedly actually running the offense. Why would there be a guy "coordinating the passing game" that isn't the offensive coordinator? Yes the entire thing is ill conceived and extremely weird.

  • aggfan77 Shire, 00
    Feb. 12, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    It would be nice to be able to get on a BYU post or a U of U post and actually talk to the respective fans about the Article! But almost with out fail some troll jumps on and ruins it for the REAL fans.

    Anyway I think this is a great thing for the U! Good luck Utes!

    Except 1 game next year :-)

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    GoRed
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

    Those wins by Utah over BYU aren't relevant because we beat ourselves in those games. I remember Jake Heaps driving us down the field three years ago only to have the offensive coordinator call for 3 straight running plays (way too conservative), only to get a field goal blocked.

    Oh wait, that's the offensive coorinator we just re hired.

    Nevermind.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    @ Flashback
    Kearns, UT

    Love the smack but if I were BYU "fan" I would be careful on the NCAA probation smack.

    Mr. Holmoe got Cal on probation for his years at Cal and I don't hear BYU "fan" complaining about him.

    Hypocracy?

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Very strange hire. Is Erickson doing this to get some sunshine on an otherwise dismal end to his career... figuring if he does well someone may hire him... making Utah jilted at the alter? A quick stop like Urban...

    Or

    Is Whittingham bringing him in to do a Chow so DJ can learn how it's done?

    Or trying to take the focus off of himself so if things don't go well Erickson is the scapegoat?

    This just doesn't smell right for a program of self-confidence. But perhaps it is a reflection of the weakness of the program and a desperate attempt.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    solomon levi

    You post "BYU was not only better, but DECISIVELY better, in 2012."

    Really? This is downright humorous. You do realize, don't you, that Utah BEAT byu? You accuse Naval Vet of "selective spin", then you use stats that rely on byu's 5 victories over teams that ESPN ranked in the bottom 10 in all of college football in order to support your case.

    byu fans, as painful as this may seem to you, you DID lose to Utah last year. (And the year before, and the year before, and the last 8 out of 11 times, and overall 56-34-4.)

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    Only problem with Erickson is, that he's had nearly every school he's head coached at get put on NCAA probation for recruiting/paying player/infractions of every kind. He bugs out before the punishments. Great catch for Utah (see the sarcasm drip).

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    I love all the bickering back and forth. Like any of you really know.

    Bottom line - He has been a great coach and not such a great coach.

    How will he do at Utah is the question. Let’s revisit this debate again in a couple of years. Half of you will be right and the other half will be wrong. But I guarantee you that none of you know for sure right now. Nor do I. Nor do I pretend to really know.

    Give credit to Coach Wittingham for trying something big and out of the ordinary. Not sure I would want such a renowned and or controversial coach on my staff. Not to mention that he is older and has been there and done. I think it would be hard not to tell Coach Wittingham how to do his job. Then again maybe he really just wants to keep busy. Again see you in a couple of years. I will then give you my opinion if he will do a good or bad job. In the mean time many of you please get off your high horses.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Solomon Levi:

    I'm not the one spinning. The "spinners" are those who point to their record vs. all the teams in Idaho not-named Boise St, and tries to compare them to Utah's record vs. all the teams in SoCal, and suggest that confirms they were the better team -- never mind the head-to-head domination their chief rival has had over them over the past 2 decades. Sagarin's ratings are based mainly on W/L record. SOS gets factored in, but it is a very minor metric. The bottom line is Utah beats the Y, and performs better vs. common opponents. Utah loses more games because we play more elite teams.

    2011 Utah (54) > BYU (10)
    2012 Utah (24) > BYU (21)

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Did you really think that with all of that convoluted drivel, we'd ignore the fact that the ONLY team of any significance that Utah beat last season was BYU?

    And the ONLY reason Utah's win over BYU could be considered significant, was because BYU was overall significantly BETTER than U?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    @naval lint

    "ARod can draw up any plays he wants, but without Erickson's/BJ's final approval, they don't get played. And do you know why?"

    So that is what a "passing game coordinator" does? He sits around drawing up plays that probably won't get used?

    It's starting to become clear to me that naval lints don't know what a Passing Game Coordinator does. of course that doesn't make you the only one, no one knows what they do, or even what they are.

    LOL!

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    naval vet

    "Don't make it out to be anything more than that just because he's a [Cougar] alum."

    What makes you think BYU fans care that ARod is a BYU alum?

    "...once Chow left SLC, BJ - not ARod - was deemed the most fit to lead the Offense."

    Obviously, BYU alum Kyle Whittingham made a huge mistake, which is why he's bringing in Erickson to clean up the mess.

    "And now with a new OC onboard, BJ - not ARod - STILL retains the OC title."

    OC in name only; everyone knows that Erickson is the new sheriff in town, and BJ will be nothing more than an overpaid graduate assistant with a different title.

    btw, if ARod doesn't design any passing plays that Erickson wants to run, does that mean that Utah will be a strictly running team next season?

    This could get really interesting, at least for Utah opponents.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    Solomon Levi

    If the were "DECISEVELY" better, than why did they lose to the Utes? If getting romped out of your home field 54-10 is "DECISEVELY" better, than I have some ocean front property here in Spokane that you might be interested in! Only a BYU Homer could spin a 54-10 thrashing! How sad, yet typical!

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    86&90UTE

    So the Utes are 8th instead of only 9th in their first two years in the PAC 10.2?

    Congratulations, you're in the middle of the bottom half, instead of being at the top of the bottom third.

    Impressive!

    Call us when U beat your first conference opponent with a winning record.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    navel vet

    "As for your "steller performance(s)" vs. a decisively weaker SOS..."

    "Decisively weaker" SOS, according to whom?

    Sagarin SOS ratings for 2012:

    BYU #63
    Utah #41

    a difference of 22 places.

    Compare that to the DECISIVE difference in overall ratings:

    BYU #26
    Utah #61

    a difference of 35 places.

    Obviously, you need a refresher on the definition of "decisive".

    BYU was DECISIVELY better overall than Utah in 2012; it's not even debatable.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    As usual, lots of selective spin.

    Sagarin has already done all of the comparing of all of the opponents for the ENTIRE season for BYU and Utah.

    Bottom line:

    2011 BYU #34 > Utah #39
    2012 BYU #26 > Utah #61

    BYU was not only better, but DECISIVELY better, in 2012.

    The only "myth" here is you thinking that your biased opinions and spin trump reality.

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Just a point of emphasis for all you haters out there. While Utah's PAC 12 record hasn't been impressive (7-11 over two years), the Utes still have a better record than Arizona (6-12), Cal (6-12), Wash St. (3-15) and Colorado (3-15). So, is Utah in the bottom third? Nope! Are they cellar dwellers. Nope!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    WAC man:

    "Can't wait to see the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by the kids on the hill when all of those 4- and 5-star recruits at the U get beat by BYU's 2-star recruits."

    Sure you can. You bubble folk have been saying that - and waiting for it - for 4-yrs now, and you're 0-3 on that prediction. So you're USED to waiting by now. 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11. Don't stay up too late waiting for it!

    Haha!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    "So Erickson and BJ won't have any input into the passing plays ARod is drawing up?"

    ARod can draw up any plays he wants, but without Erickson's/BJ's final approval, they don't get played. And do you know why?

    It's because ARod is subordinate to DE and BJ. ARod will only design the passing plays, and coach them to his WRs. Don't make it out to be anything more than that just because he's a cougar alum. ARod was once the OC, but lost it to Chow. And once Chow left SLC, BJ - not ARod - was deemed the most fit to lead the Offense. And now with a new OC onboard, BJ - not ARod - STILL retains the OC title.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    As for your "steller performance(s)" vs. a decisively weaker SOS...they are of no consequence. Since Utah did not also play them, they can't be counted. You can't point to your big win over NMSU and compare it to our loss vs. UCLA. The fact remains that head-to-head, you are 0-2 vs. Utah. Ergo, Utah > BYU. The fact remains that your losses to common opponents are by a greater margin, and your wins are by a slimmer margin. In every game but one - our OT loss to USU - you had been outperformed. Your collective 2-yr record vs. measurable schools was 3-3, whereas Utah's was 4-2.

    Edge: Utah.

    So "more success"?

    Nope.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Christine B. Hedgefog

    It's doubtful Erickson intends to stick around more than a year or two - he's already 0-2 versus BYU and after next season, it'll be 0-3.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    "...that 'comedy series' has had more success during its first two seasons as an Independent, than that PAC 10.2 bottom dweller on the hill."

    That's a myth. If you want to compare our two programs, look at our common opponents:

    In 2011, the Y went 1-1 vs. Utah and Oregon St. The Utes went 2-0 (Edge: Utah). The head-to-head decision vs the cougars' big brother resulted in a 44-pt beat down (Edge: Utah), and their 10-pt victory over OSU was less impressive than Utah's 19-pt win.

    2011 Edge: Utah. Decisively.

    In 2012, Y went 2-2 vs. Utah, Oregon St, Washington St, and Utah St. Similarly, the U went 2-2 vs. OSU, WSU, USU, and the Y (Edge: n/a). However, once again, the head-to-decision went to your big brother on the Hill (Edge: Utah). Additionally, your "point margin" performances vs. Utah (-3), OSU (-18), WSU (+24), and USU (+3) netted to +6. Conversely, Utah's "point margin" performance vs. OSU (-14), WSU (+43), USU (-7), and the Y (+3) netted to +25. Another clear edge to Utah.

    2012 Edge: Utah.

    In 2012

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    upinthenight

    Lots of bogus hyperbole so lacking in substance it doesn't even merit more than a one-word response:

    Delusional!

    ---------

    Naval Vet

    Can't wait to see the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by the kids on the hill when all of those 4- and 5-star recruits at the U get beat by BYU's 2-star recruits. There's no sense in denying it, U know it's coming.

    ---------

    54-IQ

    I hope you enjoy the circus, because that's what Utah's offense is going to look like next season - a 3-ringed circus; for results, see above.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Meridian, ID
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    I wonder if Erickson has a clause in his contract that guarantees he'll stay on after Chris Hill cleans house following a 3rd consecutive year of PAC bottom-third dwelling???

    After Kyle's first two years of bumbling with musical chair OCs and musical chair QBs his leash is surely tightening fast. Even the bandwagoners who mussed (er rushed) the field 3 times during the September bowl game are getting restless being last place at everything in the PAC except for gymnastics.

    Go ahead and say, for the umpteenth time, "We dominate BYU". That'll make you feel better about your current predicament.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    So Erickson and BJ won't have any input into the passing plays ARod is drawing up?

    Dennis will simply assume that ARod's plays fit within Erickson's offensive scheme and Johnson will simply instruct his QBs to throw to the appropriate spots at the appropriate times without regard to what the running backs and tight ends are doing?

    And, of course, all of the coordinators on the offensive side of the ball, whatever you call them, will all be so in tune with each other that there will never be any disagreements or confusion???

    hmmmmm

    That light at the end of Utah's offensive tunnel, could easily be a train wreck waiting to happen.

    btw, that "comedy series" has had more success during its first two seasons as an Independent, than that PAC 10.2 bottom dweller on the hill.

    2011 BYU(10-3) #25/#26/#34 > Utah(8-5) unranked/#39
    2012 BYU(8-5) #26 bowl winner > Utah(5-7) #61 bowl no show

    Sagarin's rankings, which consider SOS as well as wins/losses, say it all.

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012, and beat one; Utah only played TWO, and lost to both.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    @naval

    "It's starting to become clear to me that cougar fans don't know what a Passing Game Coordinator does."

    That's because no one knows what a "passing game coordinator" does. There is exactly one of those in the entire country and he is one of the weird "tri coordinator" trainwreck going on in salt lake.

    How would you expect a BYU fan to "know" what a "passing game coordinator" does when you don't even know and know one else knows either?

    LOL!

    p.s. made up "coordinators" aren't really coordinators at all naval, as you've been trying to argue for the last several pages. They are wr coaches who were given titles of non existant positions to make them feel important.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Feb. 12, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    Bluesmack said:

    "I'm just happy that little Community college didn't go after another former BYU Cougar great to help get them out of mediocrity. Oh wait, they did. I know of no other program in the country that the majority of their coaches are alumni of their direct rival. Too funny!"

    Former BYU Cougar great? If they are great why aren't they coaching at BYU or anywhere else?
    Former = sitting at home waiting for the call while watching the Price is Right.
    Mediocrity = Lame ESPN TV ratings, awful record against ranked teams the past several years, More TV exposure = losing on national TV, depends on Idaho & New Mexico St. to fill up its schedule, schools backing out of agreements to play BYU, riding the coat tails of Notre Dame
    There are other schools out there with loaded with rival alumni coaching staff. Unfortunately you did not take the time to look into that. Too Funny!

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    After seeing 165 comments on this, with half of them being from byu fans about utah and the other half from utah fans to byu fans (although this is about Utah's OC) it might be good for all of us to have a two year break from each other (although that's just on the field, who knows what will happen OFF!)

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "Dennis Erickson(65) sharing OC duties with Brian Johnson(26) = SITCOM WAITING TO HAPPEN"

    I'm sure the "SITCOM WAITING TO HAPPEN" will be when the Indy-WACers take the field vs. a relevant team, while trotting out their army of 2-star recruits. Didn't that "54-10" laugher win an Emmy for "Best Comedy of the Year" back in 2011?

    Per Rivals, the cougars' twenty 2-star recruits for their 2013 class was more than Utah signed COMBINED since 2009. And since 2009, the cougars inked 47. THAT's the caliber of team that'll be marching out of the tunnel this fall. Good luck with that comedy series.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Riddles in the Dark
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    .........and that is how they will call the plays that defeat the mighty Cougars. I could call the plays and beat the mighty Cougars.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    scott:

    "Isn't passing an integral part of the offense, and if so, doesn't that make the Passing Game Coordinator, by definition, an Offensive Coordinator?"

    Yes, passing is an integral part of the offense, but then again, so is running. So NO, a Passing Game Coordinator is NOT, by definition, an O.C.

    "If during spring practice or fall camp it turns out that another QB is clearly a better passer than Travis Wislon, who makes the call on which QB to start?"

    That would be either Whittingham or Erickson, but I'm sure the QBs coach would have some significant impact on that decision. And the QB coach is co-O.C. Brian Johnson's role.

    It's starting to become clear to me that cougar fans don't know what a Passing Game Coordinator does. That coordinator is responsible for diagramming passing plays. Just passing plays. ARod was selected for that role because he coaches the WRs, and they are integral in the passing game. The running plays will be most likely be a coordinated effort with Erickson/BJ and the RBs coach.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Bluesmack:

    "I know of no other program in the country that the majority of their coaches are alumni of their direct rival. Too funny!"

    With the addition of Dennis Erickson to Utah's staff, there are now 15 Football coaches on the Hill; 3 of whom are Y grads. I know of know other school in the country that thinks 20% of a control group amounts to a "majority". Too funny!

    P.S.: For the record, the plurality of coaches at the U (33.3%) are Utah alumni. Epic fail!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Whittingham would be crazy to allow Erickson to get involved in recruiting.

    Maybe Dennis could provide some of his recruiting contacts and possibly greet recruits when they visit Utah's campus, but otherwise, Kyle would be wise not to even give Dennis an opportunity to do something shady with recruits.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    @ Guam_Bomb;

    He was at Oregon State, not Oregon, and no, the Oregon State teams under Erickson were FAR from clean.

    -One who was there.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Here's how it will work:

    Andy will toss the coin, Brian will call it in the air, and winner will choose whether to make the decision, or defer to Dennis.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    @cedarcityute

    "This thread is turning into a marathon....wow."

    And one of the funner ones recently. I love threads like these :)

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    @duck

    Give it a rest.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    @joco ute and any other utah "fan"

    Please show us one post where "ducky" has said erickson was a bad or poor hire?

    The funnest thing about beating up utah "fans" on here is that they lack all reading comprehension and it makes it very easy to mock them.

    LOL!

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    This thread is turning into a marathon....wow.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    Isn't passing an integral part of the offense, and if so, doesn't that make the Passing Game Coordinator, by definition, an Offensive Coordinator?

    If ARod is the Passing Game Coordinator, does that make Brian or Dennis the defacto Running Game Coordinator?

    If during spring practice or fall camp it turns out that another QB is clearly a better passer than Travis Wilson, who makes the call on which QB to start?

    Think about it, spinmeister!

    ------

    "Whittingham wants BJ to control Utah's Offense, but he just isn't as experienced/ready as..."

    In other words, BJ is clearly in over his head and Kyle recognized that he made a terrible mistake in promoting a 25-yo kid with virtually no coaching experience to OC, but in order to save face and not embarrass himself and BJ, Kyle names Dennis and BJ CO-offensive coordinators even though Dennis is really the OC and BJ is really just a well-paid grad assistant with a title.

    Anybody who believes that BJ will actually be "controlling" anything other than signaling in plays is only fooling themselves.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 12, 2013 6:37 a.m.

    A coordinator is a coordinator, two coordinators are half a coordinator and three coordinators are no coordinators at all. Too many cooks in this kitchen!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 6:21 a.m.

    Swoop:

    "...Utah's Passing Coordinator, by definition, an Offensive Coordinator. How else would you define ARod's role on Utah's staff. Think about."

    I would define it as the "Passing Game Coordinator", which by definition, is one who coordinates the "Passing Game". The "O.C." coordinates the ENTIRE Offense...which includes the "Running Game".

    2 O.C.s; not 3. Fail.

    Whittingham wants BJ to control Utah's Offense, but he just isn't as experienced/ready as an available career Offensive guru like the 2-time national champion/3-time Pac-10 Coach of the Year Dennis Erickson. And now that Erickson IS on staff, what makes you think he needs ARod to do anything more than coordinate Utah's passing game. Think about it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 12, 2013 3:51 a.m.

    sammyg:

    "This has train wreck written all over it."

    No, this had cougar club trepidation written all over it. The "train wreck" was roscoe's latest "WAC-worthy" recruiting class. Had the Y EVER signed so many 2-star recruits? And just as you forayed out of the WAC no less. This is starting to look like "54-10" all over again.

    Like I said...this has "train wreck" written all over it.

    Swoop:

    "And, while OSU did beat both BYU and Utah last season, and BYU and Utah both beat OSU the year before, you're forgetting that BYU DESTROYED then #16 OSU in the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl so badly that it knocked the Beavers completely out of the Top 25."

    And Utah absolutely DESTROYED Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl, but I'm not sure what either of those cherry-picked games have anything to do with Utah OR the cougs since we joined the Pac-12. The only relevant "destruction" I can think of is "54-10". And if I'm not mistaken, you all came out on the "10" side of that nationally broadcast game. Haha!
    "

  • Bluesmack south jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 1:58 a.m.

    I'm just happy that little Community college didn't go after another former BYU Cougar great to help get them out of mediocrity. Oh wait, they did. I know of no other program in the country that the majority of their coaches are alumni of their direct rival. Too funny!

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    I think is a good hire for Utah. Our coaching staff can use a seasoned coach with a successful track record. Brian is a smart guy and doesn't have a big ego so I'm sure he will take full advantage and learn everything he can from coach Erickson.

    As far as the so called baggage surrounding him, it is a total non-issue because he is coming in as a coordinator not a head coach. The guy has seen success at all levels and we all know that the Utes offense can use all the help it can get.

    I look forward to seeing what improvements coach Erickson can bring to our offense as well as what kind of impact he can have on recruiting. I'm sure he will be able to widen Utah's reach in the recruiting process and perhaps get us in a few doors that we wouldn't normally get into.

    Got to love how many comments this article has generated. Maybe the D news will start writing more articles about the Utes.

    Go Utes!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    JoCo Ute

    Chow came with similar credentials - offensive play-caller for BYU's 1984 National Championship team, offensive coordinator for USC's 2003 Associated Press National Championship and 2004 BCS National Championship (since vacated); and quarterbacks coach for Heisman Trophy winner Ty Detmer.

    Chow was supposed to turn Utah's offense into a scoring machine, yet Chow had very little impact on Utah's offense during his one year stay with the Utes.

    Erickson has only had one winning season (his first season at ASU) during his last six years of college coaching at Idaho and Arizona State. He was fired by the Sun Devils after losing 6 of his final 7 games at ASU, including at 27-37 loss to Washington State.

    Don't be too surprised if Erickson doesn't turn out to be quite the offensive miracle worker some Utah fans are desperately hoping for.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:05 p.m.

    What are the national experts (except for Ducky) saying about Erickson?

    "Erickson brings an impeccable resume with him to Utah. Erickson was twice named national coach of the year, won two national championships, a three time Pac-12 coach of the year. .. and

    Erickson's hiring is a major coup for Whittingham. Erickson has long been credited as an offensive innovator, and has developed a reputation for implementing high-powered offenses at each of his stops... and

    National titles in 1989 and 1991 as the coach at Miami (Fla.), the 2000 Sporting News National Coach of the Year while at Oregon State. three-time Pac-12 Coach of the Year, most recently with ASU in 2007, when he led the Sun Devils to a share of the Pac-10 title in his first season. He is the only coach to win Pac-10 Coach of the Year at three schools—sharing the honor in 1988 at Washington State, and winning it outright in 2000 at OSU and in 2007 at ASU, and was a three-time Big East Coach of the Year at Miami.

    The world is wrong and BYU fans are right. . .sure.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:50 p.m.

    I admire coach Ericson a lot. However, did Kyle hire a new co O.C. or his replacement? Just wondering.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    airliner

    Yeah, Whittingham has shown real class in the way he hires, fires, shuffles and demotes his offensive staff. It's amazing that ARod has been such a glutton for punishment with the way he's been hired, demoted, re-assigned, lied to, and stepped over by Whittingham. ARod must be making some real sweet money to willingly subject himself to such abuse.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    navel vet

    "There sure seems to be an awful lot of hand wringing from our [big] brothers..."

    Not really.

    Your big brothers are simply concerned about the panic attack that seems to be occurring on the hill and are offering some sound words of wisdom concerning the prudence of such a rash move.

    As an SI commentator mentioned today:

    Dennis Erickson(65) sharing OC duties with Brian Johnson(26) = SITCOM WAITING TO HAPPEN

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    Uteology

    Who BYU beat in the PAC 10.2 is less important than who BYU didn't lose to - 10-loss Colorado.

    Of course, BYU did beat Washington(7-6) in 2010, the year before Utah joined the PAC 10.2.

    When was the last time U beat Washington?

    Oh, that's right, the U is 0-2 against Washington in the PAC 10.2, in fact, the U is 0-8 lifetime versus the Huskies, while BYU is 4-4 versus Washington.

    And, while OSU did beat both BYU and Utah last season, and BYU and Utah both beat OSU the year before, you're forgetting that BYU DESTROYED then #16 OSU in the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl so badly that it knocked the Beavers completely out of the Top 25.

    Our little brothers have been in steady decline since 2008, which is why Whittingham took a flyer on Erickson, desperately hoping someone could salvage his failing offense. Johnson was obviously in way over his head.

    Naval Vet

    ARod is Utah's Passing Coordinator, by definition, an Offensive Coordinator. How else would you define ARod's role on Utah's staff? Think about it.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    Keep it coming Cougar "fan".

    Loving every minute of it.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    This has train wreck written all over it.

    I can't wait to see the first media event with Whit and the happy threesome answering questions.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    Reading the comments, for and against, it is kinda like 54 - 10 all over again.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    There sure seems to be an awful lot of hand wringing from our little brothers down in the bubble about Utah getting an experienced, 2-time national champion, former head coach to direct and improve an offense that little brother not been able to stop, even when it was bad. It must have something to do with the fact that THEIR new OC is a less experienced former position coach at a school with a .400 average vs. THEIR big brother in the BCS era.

    And I've been reading a lot of frantic and emotional silliness about Utah having 3 OCs. Roderick hadn't been Utah's OC since being replaced by Chow after the 2010 season. There's really only 2. And even YOU guys know that BJ needs a little more mentoring, and Erickson won't be in SLC for long. As a 66-yr old former head coach, he'll either retire as Utah's OC, or take another head coaching job. At which point, BJ should have a little more seasoning at the job, and provide a more seamless transition.

    I smell the fear on you skittish little kittens. Tough break cougs.

  • airliner Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    Quick message to Tom and Bronco....it is possible to hire a big name OC without firing half of your staff.

    Nice to see loyalty and class from up on the hill, two character traits that seem to be falling apart in Provo.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    The Dennis Erickson hire has really kicked the ant hill in cougarville. I haven't seen so much of an uproar since the last time the Utes kicked their football team to the curb. Why should they even care?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    phoenix:

    "In the PAC 10.2, Utah is 7-11(38.8%)...In the same time period, BYU is 2-3(40%) versus PAC 10.2 teams."

    And in that same time frame, name ONE Pac-12 team that the cougars beat that the Utes didn't ALSO beat?

    You can't, can you?

    In fact, in those common opponents, Utah beat their Pac-12 opponent by more points in EVERY game than the cougars did, and lost to their same Pac-12 opponent by fewer points. Edge: Utah.

    Fail.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    Y's little brother:

    "Clearly, the 'dominance' our little brothers talk about is nothing more than a figment of your over-active imaginations."

    Nope. I did not imagine that the Utes busted the BCS twice and won both bowl games, whereas our little brother had not. I did not imagine that the Utes busted the cougars in 8 of the last 11 games. I did not imagine that the 72.7% winning percentage the U has enjoyed over our little brother is in fact "domination". I did not imagine that Utah was the winningest team vs. BCS schools from among all non-AQs, whereas our Indy-WACey southern neighbors were not. I did not imagine that the Utes own the highest postseason winning percentage of all FBS programs with at least 10 bowl games played, nor had I imagined that the Y has a losing record in them. I did not imagine that CougFaninTX was trying make believe that the Y somehow measures as "pretty equal" to their big brother on the Hill when fact, they are not.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    @phoenix

    Nice try, but you failed miserably to answer the question which was specifically about the PAC 10.2.

    In the PAC 10.2, Utah is 7-11(38.8%).

    In the same time period, BYU is 2-3(40%) versus PAC 10.2 teams.

    ----------

    What exactly are you proud of? Please do tell. Because unlike BYU we have actually beat a PAC 12 team with 4+ wins over the same period:

    Wins: @OSU (3-9) and WSU (3-9)

    Lose: Utah (5-7)

    Spankings: Utah (8-5) 54-10, OSU (9-4) 42-24

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    @gdog

    Interesting that you are the only utah fan on this entire thing that actually gets what I was saying. All the others claim I was bagging on the hiring of erickson when I never have. I bagged on the weird tri coordinator setup and the ridiculessness of not just giving the job to one guy and dispensing with the false titles.

    It is hard for most utah fans to actually comprehend what I write, it is mostly just knee jerk opposition to anything I say.

    It is fun for me though.

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:34 p.m.

    @gdog

    It is a comment board isn't it?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    Where is the hand off coordinator hire?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    I gave duckhunter a thumbs up. Wow! Yeah the co offensive coordinator title is understandable and lame at the same time. I would love for Utah to find the right offensive coordinator. Chow was good but a short term hire. I believe Erickson will be the same. He could help the Utes. I hope he does. But at some point, somebody needs to takeover and do a good job. Who? Brian Johnson? Aaron Roderick? Beaver Clever?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:23 p.m.

    Here we go. Go with what? The good, the bad, and the ugly. Here come the comments, the praise, the critique, the criticism, the assessment, the projections, the assumptions, the takeover, the mentor factor, the hire, and the fire.

    I Don't know how this plays out. Go Utes.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    gored

    "Wow, it's amazing all of the [BYU] "fans" that come out of the woodwork to try to disparage this important, excellent hire for Utah."

    Coming out of the woodwork? LOL!

    There's no need to "TRY" to disparage this hire; the fire that Whittingham is playing with in trying to juggle THREE offensive coordinators is readily apparent to everybody except for the kids living under that crimson bubble on the hill.

    If having TWO starting QBs, means not having a starting QB, what does having THREE offensive coordinators mean to U?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    hmmm, BYU is 2-0 against Dennis Erickson coached teams. The last time BYU played an Erickson team, the Cougars shocked the #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami Hurricane 28-21 in a game that wasn't even that close.

    Regardless of how you slice it, Erickson is Utah's new OC. Brian is simply along for the ride. Dennis will have the final word on all important decisions - play calling, QB decisions, offensive scheme, everything. Brian will be co-offensive coordinator in name only - a well-payed graduate assistant signaling in plays from the sidelines, while Erickson is up in the booth calling the shots.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Feb. 11, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    Only in Utah would people bring up baggage from 20 years ago. I thought Mormons believed in repentance. His teams at ASU were clean. His teams at Oregon were clean. The important factor is whether or not he can still coach. He's got more national championships than anyone other coach in Utah.

    Erikson brings credibility to the offensive coordinator job that Johnson lacks. Hopefully Johnson sees it as an opportunity. Coach Whit hired a personal mentor for him. I hope he'll soak up all he can in the next year or two.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    WACPaddled

    "Until BYU figures out a combination of coaches to beat Utah..."

    As always, the standard for success on the hill is beating BYU.

    Little brother syndrome indeed.

    U really couldn't care less about being competitive in the PAC 10.2 as long as U beat the Y.

    Losing records, no bowl games, no national rankings, not being able to beat a single PAC 10.2 team with winning record, finishing near the bottom of the PAC 10.2 in recruiting, all inconsequential as long as U beat the Y.

    The Y, by contrast, can still have a successful season, even with a loss to the U.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    Bu ha ha ha ha! We got rid of that...guy and Utah gets him and thinks he's the greatest in the world! Arizona State is going to crush you this year. LOL Then again, ASU has beat you every year. Utah has brought the level of play in the PAC-10 down. Hopefully we can un-invite you!

  • Realistic Goggles Alpine, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    I'm not sure I've ever heard of a co-Coordinator position before. We'll see how it works out.

    Basically, you are bringing in a coach to coach the coach. Why not just fire the ineffective coach? Who or what is trying to be protected here?

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    Are you kidding me Miami is still in trouble. I think they hired him to coach the offense not to be the head coach. So stop crying This is a great hire can't wait to see Utah in action. Worry about your own team.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    Here are a few comments from someone in AZ

    1) No one misses Coach Erickson here in the Phoenix area.
    2) He has and can be a winning coach
    3) He has discipline issues and lacks respect from many players
    4) He is like an oportunist and looks to exploit to get gain. (Just look at the 1 and 2 year stints he took over to move on to bigger and "better" things) Did do a great job with others players.
    5) Has a great offensive mind and can get things going.
    6) Not loved by most places he has come and gone either by his choice or others.
    7) Could be a great benefit for Utah or could be a Bust.
    8) Do not see him staying at Utah too long.

    I hope he does a great job at Utah. I am not conviced yet that he will. I hope he proves me wrong. So all of you that are bickering as to if this is good or bad be patient. I think only time will tell. The rest of you are just blowing hot air. (Both Utah and BYU fans)

  • dave22 SOUTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Co-offensive coordinators!! how did that co-manager thing work out with Michael Scott and Jim Halpert?? i see the same result here...

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    I do find it interesting that most people with the negative comments and revelation of doom and gloom for the Utes are TDS fans. I will never understand why they care so much. I mean, sure the Utes are awesome and everything...but still. It's interesting Coach Whitt hired a co OC, BUT we all know why. Brian Johnson definitely knows why. They need more experience on the offense and that's what they're doing. BJ is going to be great, but for now he and coach Whitt has seen he still needs a little direction. None of us truly know where the Utes are going to go with this. The best we can do is give them support and wish the best of luck for this move.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    The reported truth of the matter is that both Bronco and Kyle went after Anae recently, after he's been mentored by 2 of the best offensive minded coaches in college football today... while in Arizona.
    That's been verified in the paper twice in the past few days. And none of the Ute coaches or their AD have denied it. None.
    So, that being the fact, Kyle got only his second choice (if not 3rd) that no other program was after. Anae had his choice from 3 schools and chose BYU. It's not hard to figure out why. Though BYU lost 3 close games by a total of 7 points last season, the two programs seem to be going in opposite directions... and Kyle seems pretty nervous about it.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Did Kyle just hire his 66 Year Old replacement?

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Feb. 11, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Dear Duckhunter, I did in fact ask that both sides, including Chris B quit the childish antics of stirring up contention. I would ask you to do the same. See page 2 of the comments.

    Take care my friend.

    Wookie
    GO UTES!!

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Feb. 11, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    I think this is a short term hire--one or two years at most. The reason they are co-coordinators, in my opinion, is that Whittingham expects Johnson to be the coordinator for the long run. As talented as Johnson is, he is still very inexperienced and this allows him to get some help while Johnson grows.

    As for Erickson's part legal and ethical issues, he is not the head coach and I don't think Whittingham will tolerate such things at Utah. Neither will the school.

    For Erickson, I am sure he is making more money than he did last year coaching high school.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 11, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    I guess there are just some people who were just so embarrassed by the Dons and the Toreros that they have to try to bring big brother down. Pure joy and entertainment!

    Keep on trying, though - we are amused!

    Go Utes!!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Two years ago Anae was thrown under the bus while Doman was going to be the savior of the program.
    Two weeks ago Anae was being touted as the savior of the program while Doman was thrown under the bus. Meanwhile bronco says Utah begged Anae to come to SLC, while reality says something else. Great stability.
    Now the Utes hire a REAL National Championship winning coach and gullhunter is saying it's a bad idea. Hmmmm. Someone's obsessed feeling's have been hurt.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    nuh uhh Carnak, gullhunter is in no way obsessed or angry. Not at all.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Haha hes no Roger Anea thats for sure.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    Maybe now that Dennis Erickson is heading to the U, Ty Detmer will reconsider coming to BYU. He sure likes it when Erickson comes to Provo.... I can almost hear the lyrics to another song.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    Wow, it's amazing all of the byu "fans" that come out of the woodwork to try to disparage this important, excellent hire for Utah. For one thing, Erickson brings championship experience (2 titles at Miami). And his offenses have always been potent. Since Coach Whit is the head coach, all of the byu "fans" comments questioning Erickson's character is hypocritical. But what else would you expect from a fan base whose team never loses any games in their eyes? It's always the refs' fault, or their own team decided not to try, etc., etc.

    @ducky

    7 comments on a Ute article. Really?

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    According to your logic, to use your term - fail.

    Yes, all games are not over until the final play. However, the outcome of all games is not decided on the final play. In 2011, the outcome was not "decided" on the last play. However, last year the outcome was "determined" on the last play. I expected more rational thinking.

    Slow down and don't let the emotion of the situation cloud true reason.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    If erickson was "such a wanted" coach how come exactly no one else was trying to hire him?

    LOL!

    -----------

    Why are you laughing, that's also true for Bronco and staff.

    When is Domain going to start collecting unemployment?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX
    "So life must be good, because beating the Cougs is all that counts to Ute fans."

    It's not all that counts, but it is nice. I don't think you're in a good position to criticize though since you did just go on criticizing multiple Utah sports teams. By the way, it's February, it's gymnastics season and 14k people saw the Utes easily handle Cal but you somehow forgot that team.

    "Even though you get the wins, U have to admit the programs are pretty equal."

    I agree with that. If one looks at the average final Sagarin ranking for the two teams over the past 10 years we get (from current->past)
    BYU: 26 34 45 15 32 17 13 55 41 68 (avg: 34.6)
    Utah: 61 39 26 24 5 34 46 51 4 25 (avg: 31.5).

    If I left it at 9 years it'd be 30.9-32.2 BYU ahead so it's rather steady that the two are basically the same. One could say Utah is trending the wrong way, but I think Utah would've done better with Hays instead of Wilson, and choosing developing their freshman QB can pay off later.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I'm a big BYU fan and I think this is a great hire for the Utes. It's a bummer we won't get to watch Anae and Erickson and their offensive teams get after each other after this season.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    Anyone that understands football knows that:

    1. This hire is for the short term as Brian learns new plays, play calling, etc.
    2. Erickson will not be the recruiter.
    3. The field is about to fill up with speedy little receivers.
    4. Travis Wilson will be running the ball a lot more.
    5. The offense will improve. Erickson has had many top 10 offenses during his college days.

    I was a little surprised with the name but knowing who is in charge makes me feel better about having Erickson on the team.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    I find the comments about the "Baggage" Erickson brings very strange. I don't think he's suddenly going to turn Utah into a Party School.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    cedarcityute

    There's a reason successful teams don't stray too far outside established norms. Hiring another OC to tutor the youngest OC in the entire country, while you've also got a passing coordinator is definitely way outside established norms and deserves critique and speculation.

    The Utes will have almost as many offensive coordinators as they have offensive position coaches.

    You know what they say about having too many cooks in the kitchen or having two starting quarterbacks.

    There's truth in those sayings that Utah fans are ignoring because of their blind faith in Whittingham.

    Don't be too surprised if this turns into a complete disaster for the Utes.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    Swoop
    Salt Lake City, UT
    This move smacks of desperation.

    The idea that a washed-up 66-year-old and a still wet-behind-the-ears 25-year-old could work together seamlessly as CO-offensive coordinators is ridiculous.

    The truth is Erickson is Utah's new OC and BJ will be his apprentice. If it works, Whittingham will take all of the credit. If it fails, Whittingham will try to make Erickson the scapegoat.

    __________

    Until BYU figures out a combination of coaches to beat Utah and other teams, start thinking about those supposed games on ESPN where a sub par audience will watch you lose again next season.

    That's the truth.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    Teams need six wins to be bowl worthy. Utah, and Colorado were brought in to provide an extra two wins for the others. It's just that simple.

  • why play SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Just a thought, but is there any chance BJ realized he was in over his head and is on-board with the hire? Maybe this is a way for both Whit and BJ to save some face, give BJ a little more time to grow and get someone to help handle the immediate needs of the program. Everyone seems to think BJ is (deep inside) upset about the hire, but is he?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    Uteology

    re: Just curious, how's life in the PAC?"

    Nice try, but you failed miserably to answer the question which was specifically about the PAC 10.2.

    In the PAC 10.2, Utah is 7-11(38.8%).

    In the same time period, BYU is 2-3(40%) versus PAC 10.2 teams.

  • Unbiased121 dallas, TX
    Feb. 11, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    All of the anti BYU and Utah stuff is pretty comical. Both sides make ridiculous arguments. My take: I don't mind Erickson as a hire, he can only help. Not sure I agree with the co-offensive coordinator though, seems like it would lead to problems. Having said that, its clear Johnson needs some kind of mentor and Erickson gives them that.
    For all of the hate back and forth: Come on man, really. For all those cougar fans commenting on the lack of a post-season, you can't argue with the past 10 years - you have been beaten by the Utes more often than not. For those Ute fans who somehow think its an award to play in the PAC-12- think again. Being the conference whipping boy is going to get old fast. Unless something miraculous happens, you wil always be playing second fiddle to USC, Oregon and Stanford.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    JoCo Ute

    "Ducky seems to have all the answers..."

    Duckhunter is the I-ching; the sum of all college sports wisdom.

    U would do well to heed his advice.

    ---------

    The way to run a successful football program is to be willing to admit when mistakes have been made and learn from them, not to gloss over them and pretend that they never happened.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    I'm excited about this hire.

    Erickson should bring a boost to recruiting and hopefully will be able to mentor BJ.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    IRS Agent

    "Naval Vet (I would type something else except I have too much respect for our veterans..."

    I wouldn't stress too much about monikers.

    As you've probably noticed, Naval's modus operandi is childish name-calling. He relies on twisting "facts" and nitpicking technicalities, while being completely unable to accept alternative points of view that diverge from his own biased opinions.

    Whittingham is rolling the dice on Erickson, hoping that Dennis can save Kyle's young OC protege, and turn him from a sows ear into a silk purse. If it works, Kyle will look like a genius. If it fails, Kyle could be signing his own execution papers as far as his coaching career at Utah.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    I love how people are "predicting" what will happen. Stop waving over your crystal ball and realize buddy, that's a snow globe.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    "Life in the Pac-12 is a thrilling ride,..."

    Really?

    Call us when you've spent a few more years in the PAC 10.2 basement with losing seasons and no bowls. We'll talk about how thrilled you are then.

    It's going to be fun to see how hysterical Utah fans become when this turns out to be just the latest in a long string of offensive blunders by the coach on the hill who can do know wrong.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    navel vet

    Bronco is 3-5 versus Kyle and has more Top 25 finishes(5-3), more Top 15 finishes(3-1), more 10+ win seasons(5-3), more conference championships(2-1), and more bowl game appearances(8-7) than Kyle.

    Kyle does have a dominating lead in losses to 10-loss teams(0-2).

    5 of the last 7 head-to-head games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

    Clearly, the "dominance" our little brothers talk about is nothing more than a figment of your over-active imaginations.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    @ JoCo Ute

    I guess it depends on what level of excellence you expect from your team and your program. If you aren't getting the job done at work, what do they do? Do they let you go and hire someone who can and has done the jobe successfully before, or do they hire an old, retired former employee to come in and do the job with you (co-employees). They can just call it a "mentoring" program. Or better yet, they can hire your replacement, and have you help "train" him until they reassign you to the mailroom.

    There are different ways to handle the situation. I can tell you the way most successful businesses handle it. Would you rather your employer be honest with you about what their intentions are, or string you along thinking that you are in a better situation than you really are? I don't know what the right answer is, but I do know how most successful organizations handle it.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    Wow USU get it's once every 20 years victory over Utah and suddenly Utah is a "loser college". BTW - Utah is a University made up of many colleges. But I guess that differentiation is not well understood unless you actually graduated "college."

    Dennis Erickson: 2 National championships, 2 time National coach of the year, 3 time PAC-10 Coach of the year, 3 time Big East Coach of the year, 6 years head coaching experience in the NFL, multiple conference championships in the Big Sky, Pac-10 and Big East.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    IRS Agent (if you are in fact an IRS Agent):

    "As you pointed out, if the kick were good, it would have gone in to O.T. Since it was not good, the game was over."

    Uh...no. By your logic ALL games are decided on the last play. Back in 2011, with :01 remaining on the clock, and 44-pt lead over our Indy-WACey little brother...

    ...the game wasn't over, and we hadn't won. Ergo, the game ended on the final play.

    Nevertheless, as I had mentioned, Utah iced that game with a 39-yd TD late in the 3rd Qtr. The game ended there. The remaining 15+ minutes was just a formality.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas

    "Naval,...Obesessed much?"

    Nope. If I was obsessed, I'd be logging into the Denver Post to count how many cougar fans were jawing with the Buffs.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    "Good grief guys! We aren't worked up about this hire at all. Good grief!"

    Who's we; got a mouse in your pocket?

    BYU fans are laughing; Utah fans are defensive and trying to pretend that they're excited; what's to be worked up about?

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    @ VERITAS

    "Naval,

    Obsessed?

    Have you ever posted anything anywhere that was pro-Utah, and not just anti-BYU?"

    Hahaha yeah you have to search really hard to find it though. Maybe try the first page of THIS THREAD (which is about Utah, btw) before desperate coug "fans" jumped on it in attempt to somehow twist this into being a bad hire. Everything since has been a response.

    Looks like someone else is obsessed. Thanks for keeping up with all the news on our team though!

    Haha! :)

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    This move smacks of desperation.

    The idea that a washed-up 66-year-old and a still wet-behind-the-ears 25-year-old could work together seamlessly as CO-offensive coordinators is ridiculous.

    The truth is Erickson is Utah's new OC and BJ will be his apprentice. If it works, Whittingham will take all of the credit. If it fails, Whittingham will try to make Erickson the scapegoat.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    @CedarCityUte

    It isn't a matter of this one guy dragging the entire program down - the program is already there (how was that bowl game anyway?). The question is whether or not this "one guy" can help fix things. I have no doubt that his experience and connections can help make things "better". The question is at what cost (lost confidence of "co" coaches, integrity of the program, view and opinion of fans and ncaa regulators, etc.).

    That all remains to be seen. Let's see where you are at this time next year. I hope that things are as clean on the hill as they have appeared to be (congrats to coach Whit), because I think that you just painted a huge target on your backs with the NCAA regulators. I think that anyone who hires these coaches with a checkered past, does open their programs up to more intense scrutiny.

  • Tiger5 Cache county, USA
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    This is a perfect hire for a loser college.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Getting a successful HEAD COACH who has NFL experience... as a CO-OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR is a a good deal. Throw in the fact that the Utes really need some experience in their offensive coaching and the deal is even sweeter. He may have baggage but he's worth a gamble... what's the worst that could happen?, he doesn't add much to the team and they get rid of him (ONE of two offensive coordinators) at the end of the season? Kudos to Whit for signing him.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Ducky seems to have all the answers, so maybe he can explain this one.

    Bronco Mendenhall and BYU throw O/C Brandon Doman under the bus and hire Robert Anae while Whittingham and Utah bring a nationally recognized former head coach with 2 national championships to mentor Johnson and Roderick.

    Is that the way BYU football develops young men, at a higher level and with honor. I don't think Brandon Doman would agree.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    So Utah fans, you really think this one guy can drag an entire program down as a 'co' offensive coordinator? I think not. I realize most if not all of you have ever coached college football. We're spectators. That's it. Obviously there was something that stood out to Coach Whittingham. He sees something in this guy, let's give him a chance. You never know what will happen til the games are played. That's why they play em.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet (I would type something else except I have too much respect for our veterans, if in fact you are one). I enjoy reading your psuedo intelligent posts. You may fool some with your big words and twisted logic, but it really just ends up exposing you.

    Caase in point, the BYU-UofU game actually was decided on the last play. As you pointed out, if the kick were good, it would have gone in to O.T. Since it was not good, the game was over. Therefore the last play of the game "determined" whether the game ended or continued. I believe that in fact is the definition of a "determining" play. I know you will try to twist it to say it didn't determine the winner, because if the kick was good, there wouldn't have been a winner and the game continues. However, because of the miss, the winner was determined. Congrats to Utah.

    It doesn't however determine whether this is a good hire or not, or if others should be allowed an opinion. Your arrogance seems to lead you to believe you are the only one entitled to an opinion. Good Day.

  • 965 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    It's funny that you BYU fans keep bringing up the fact we didn't go to a bowl game this year. Before this year we have 9 straight appearances, you are currently at 8. You're last season with no bowl appearance was 2004, the first of two seasons we wen't undefeated and won a BCS Bowl and finished top 5.

    See we can all bring up useless factoids, I guess its been a very long time so you feel the need to keep repeating it, keep ignoring the fact that we beat you this year and that if you had the schedule you have next year. You wouldn't of been bowling either.

    GL next year Cougar fans, its going to be a huge WAKE UP CALL.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    CougFaninTX: Life in the Pac-12 is a thrilling ride, it's too bad that byu fans like yourself will just have to take our word for it. I think it's safe to say that Coach Whitt didn't bring Erickson to Utah so the Utes can beat byu. Whitt has demonstrated that he can do that on his own with several starters on the sideline. Erickson is joining Utah to elevate the program in our elite conference. Is the Pac-12 a challenge? You bet. That's how we get better. There is no point in playing byu every week.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Naval,

    Obesessed much?

    Have you ever posted anything anywhere that was pro-Utah, and not just anti-BYU?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Until the Utes can remember to recruit a quarterback it doesn't matter who you hire as OC or Co-OC. No Quarterback = No Offense.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Naval - your retort about our CU rivals .... Classic!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    Just curious, how's life in the PAC?

    -----------

    Pretty difficult, but you should know since your team hasn't done diddly:

    BCS teams:

    Utah 9-11
    BYU 3-5

    vs non-BCS teams:
    Utah 4-1
    BYU 14-2

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Carnak said:

    "3 posts from Duckhunter in under an hour.
    Now that is an obsession. Sad really."

    Not sure but Chris B, may have just beat his record.

    Regardless, I suspect that duckhunter and chris b are really cousins. There comments are just a ploy to see who can create the most excitement be it for a Utah or BYU story.

    Sadly, both bring disrespect to the schools they claim as their own.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    I want to congratulate Coach Whittingham on a really good hire. Coach Erickson brings a lot of needed experience on the Ute's offensive side and a great mentor for Coach Johnson. I'm guessing that was Coach Whittingham's intention in trying to hire Coach Anae. Coach Johnson and the Ute offense will benefit a great deal from Coach Erickson's knowledge of the spread offense. Maybe Coach Erickson will be able to work his magic and make the Utes bowl eligible this coming season (if not the next). I can see Coach Erickson staying around for no more than three seasons. Career wise, he liked to move around a lot.

  • Utefan7 Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    I find it funny how after anything Utah does it is automatically labeled as a "bad decision," by the TDS. Well all these "bad decisions" have beat you the past 3 years, so it seems like you have some catching up to do on our "bad decisions." If this guy was headed south it would be a "quest for perfection," but for us its just another "bad decision."

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    This has nothing to do w/ BYU, so to all you BYU fans trying to negate everything the Utes do, find something else to do. Erickson will not be in charge of recruiting or accepting players, it's still Coach Whits team. He will offer both Johnson and Roderick a wealth of knowledge and experience. If you don't this this is a big deal just Google "Utah hires Erickson" and note the 157,000 results. As a point of comparison you could Google "BYU hires Anae" and note the 17,500 results.

    Guess that about says it all.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "Three of the last four games were not settled until the final play of the game. Even though you get the wins, U have to admit the programs are pretty equal."

    Winning 8 of the last 11 equates to a 72.7% winning percentage. That's dominance. And the last game was not settled on the final play. Had that 51-yd FG attempt been true, the game would NOT have ended. It would have went into OT. And besides, that game wasn't even won in the 4th Qtr. Utah iced that game with a 39-yd TD pass late in the 3rd. Fail.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "I occasionally pull up the Denver Post and I have yet to see a single Ute fan talking smack about the Buffs."

    The Denver Post doesn't print as many articles about the Utes as does the DNews or the SLTrib, so most Ute fans are smart enough to check the "Utah" publications for Utah articles than "Colorado" pubs.

    Cougar fans...not so much.

    Plus, CU fans are a lot classier than our bubble-dwelling neighbors to the south, so we respect them more.

    "There are so many Utes who say they have moved on, but continue to comment on Ute articles about the Cougs and BYU articles sometimes more than Cougar fans."

    And I'm sure that you comment more on Utah articles than some Ute fans. Does that mean you're obsessed with the Utes? No. What means your obsessed with the Utes is the fact that as a cougar fan in Texas, you nevertheless insist on seeking out Denver Post articles to see if Ute fans are jawing with the Buffs.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    "On February 8, 2006, the University of Idaho announced the re-hiring of Erickson as its head football coach.

    When asked at his introductory press conference if Idaho was indeed a long-term arrangement, Erickson responded, "You want to look at the age on my driver's license?...This, hopefully, is going to be my last job."

    After just ten months back at Idaho, Erickson left again for the opportunity to lead his fourth BCS program. Arizona State athletic director Lisa Love hired him on December 9th to replace recently-fired Dirk Koetter.""

    Soooooo... Why is Kyle dragging this guy to Utah? He recruits thugs, has no loyalty, and will pass along his bad habits to BJ, and the program.

    Kyle is desperate to make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear. This is embarassing...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    @54-10 - "BTW, 3 in a row and 8 of 11 has the natives restless."

    No, I think it's sitting home in December that has the Utes getting restless. One more year of no bowling will have Whit on a hot seat. One more year of sub .500 will have Krysto on the hot seat. If anyone cared about baseball and W basketball, those aren't working out very well either.

    Just curious, how's life in the PAC?

    All well, at least U've won three in a row against the Cougs (two of them on the final play). So life must be good, because beating the Cougs is all that counts to Ute fans. Which has been my point all along.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    I certainly hope this works out. Seems odd to have a co-offensive coordinator; but I have a lot of faith in Whittingham. GO UTES! Fellow Ute fans; if you ignore the fly on the thread, it usually flies away.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    Great hire! Great mentor for BJ and great for recruiting.

    Not concerned at all with with the "baggage" Erickson brings since the head coach is still KW.

    Go UTES!!

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    What are we? In the 50's? Seriously?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    Miami had problems before and long after Erickson was there. They are being investigated now.

    BYU should fans should focus on the upcoming season. Oh and figure out a way to beat Utah. NOT!

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    Good grief guys! We aren't worked up about this hire at all. Good grief!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    @utes "fan"

    Try to keep up. yes having "co" coordinators is funny, especially when what utah really has is "tri" coordinators. But even that funny stuff isn't as funny as the weak attempt to try and make it apepar that johnson wasn't a mistake who is now being replaced, ditto for roederick. And utah "fans", who were all proclaiming johnson the 2nd coming of something great now falling all over themselves to proclaim this latest bandage something great are hilarious.

    Yes it is funny, very funny.

    p.s. that doesn't mean that it might not be a good move, when you have finsished the previous 2 season ranked below 100 in total offense something needs to be done, I'll give you that.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Great hire Utes! Hopefully Erikson fills his role and we can move on and up from a dismal season last year. Excited to see what we have to work with at spring camp!

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    A two time national champion and a three time Pac12 coach of the year? Why would you want someone with this kind of experience mentoring a young offensive coordinator and helping with recruiting? Makes no sense! Bad decision Utes. We aren't jealous at all GO COUGARS!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    It is definately fun getting utah "fans" all worked up and responding. lol

    Hey wookie, where were your calls for utah "fan" civility on the articles about BYU re-hiring Anae? Oh that's right, you only call for it one direction.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Glad the Duck isn't in Tulsa today.

    Dude is hilarious (in a pathetic sort of way).

    BTW, 3 in a row and 8 of 11 has the natives restless.

    Love it.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    What a Politically Correct thing to do... Fire the minority OC Johnson without actually firing him. I wonder if BJ is quick enough to understand that?

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    54-IQ

    The angst this is causing in Uteville is hilarious.

    Whittingham trying to hide his mistake with Johnson by hiring a Chow with baggage to mentor his failing project in order to save his job.

    It's going to be interesting to see who Utah fans blame next season when this doesn't work out. The offensive coordinator circus on the hill just keeps getting more and more bizarre.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    @Duckhunter,

    "whittingham looks foolish anywy from the bj promotion does he really think anyone is fooled by leaving him as the "co"?

    Good grief this is funny stuff. "

    -----------

    Really? Having a CO-coordinator is funny?

    All that matters is an improved offense and more wins. That's it.

    I am 100% sure Whittingham, who has defeated Bronco 3 in a row recently, could care less about two letters ("CO") in front of a coach's name.

    If this is funny to you, then you seriously need to upgrade your sense of humor. You might start with Cougar fans once again ripping on Ute fans when the Cougars haven't had a convincing victory over Utah since 1996. Now that is funny. LOL!

  • canadiancougar624 Raymond, 00
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    @Carnak

    Funny, it's about how much Chris B and 54-10 post on BYU articles..

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Motorbike - Don't even try! Logic and facts don't mean much to the duckmeister.

  • nielsen American Fork, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Amen UteJunky70-totally agree

    I'm a BYU fan but I think this gives the Ute Program a good opportunity to get back on its feet this season. Who are people to judge Erickson because of his past. All the negativity about his situation is ridiculous. He is just what the Ute program needs.

    Great hire

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Ducky and other obsessed trollers are in fine form this morning. So entertaining!!

    It is great to be a Ute!!

    Where is Fangupo?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    @motortrike

    "Erickson and Johnson will work together on the offense. That's what "Co" typically means."

    Plus roderick running the "passing game". LOL!

    This is pretty much like when a team has 2 qb's, what it means is they really don't even have 1 qb.

    One of the things I find so amusing about utah "fans" is that whittingham can litterally do any wierd thing he wants to do and you guys immediately proclaim it a "genius" move. Like the johnson hire last year, or the chow hire the year before, or the roderick/schramm co thing that worked out so well.

    It really is funny stuff, to bad you guys can't see all the humor in it.

    LOL!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    Wow, this hire really has Ducky worked up. That says it all, I love it!

    And Ducky ... "good grief"??? Really? Who else has used those two words together in the past 30 years besides Charlie Brown?

    Actually this makes sense ... now we have a more clear picture as to why you are the way you are ... you were that kid that continued to try to kick the ball only to have it pulled away from you ... time, after time, after time. Yep, it's all coming together. "LOL!"

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    motorbike

    "A lot of jealous cougars on this thread already."

    Jealous? Of what?

    Most college programs wouldn't touch Erickson with a 10-foot pole, and that goes double for BYU.

    Whittingham is gambling his coaching future at Utah because he's too proud to admit that he made a mistake with Brian Johnson.

    ---------

    Duckhunter

    Too funny! What's next, third-down offensive coordinator, shadow-of-your-own-goal-posts offensive coordinator?

    As experts often say, when you have two starting quarterbacks, you have no starting quarterbacks.

    It's very likely that nobody has ever tried having tri-offensive coordinators before, so Kyle is mapping unchartered territory here, which usually ends with a sinking ship.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Good hire for the Utes. Just what the offense needed to improve and to help BJ grow into his role.
    @Ducks,
    The Utes are LOLing all the way to a major conferance schedule and Rose Bowl possibilities every year.
    The Cougs can LOL as they struggle to be relevant.
    Go Utes.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Hope they have a car service for him.
    He likes the fire water.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    @ Vegas / Junky - U are right. There are so many Utes who say they have moved on, but continue to comment on Ute articles about the Cougs and BYU articles sometimes more than Cougar fans. I occasionally pull up the Denver Post and I have yet to see a single Ute fan talking smack about the Buffs.

    So who is your rival?

    Personally, I hope the rivalry gets going again after the hiatus, even though we're not in the same conference. Colorado and Nebraska have decided to renew their rivalry. Even though Utah may think Colorado is their new rival, Colorado fans will always consider Nebraska as their rival, not Utah.

    And I'm happy to acknowledge your 3 of the last 4 wins, but I'm not willing to use the word dominance. Three of the last four games were not settled until the final play of the game. Even though you get the wins, U have to admit the programs are pretty equal.

    Hiring Erickson is a real shot at Johnson's perceived competence. Erickson is a brilliant mind. The success of the decision will be in how Johnson responds to losing part of his authority.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    3 posts from Duckhunter in under an hour.

    Now that is an obsession.

    Sad really.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Keep it coming Cougar "fan".

    Love it.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Ducky,

    Let me help you out ... Erickson and Johnson will work together on the offense. That's what "Co" typically means.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Wasn't it the PAC teams that forced Erickson to retire? I'm pretty sure they aren't too concerned with this hire.
    .
    First view the name sounds exciting but Coach E. was done a long time ago. I believe this is more of an investment in Johnson than anything else.

    Whit has really rolled the dice with this one.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    christy

    "Any insights as to why Heisman Detmer didn't want to even touch your beloved BYU?"

    Yes, Detmer said he's not interested in coaching at BYU, or any other university, for now. He's living a comfortable life with his family and owns a nearby hunting ranch where he can spend his days doing what he enjoys most, hunting, fishing, and spending time with his family.

    btw, any insights on why a coach that is in such "high demand" has spent the last year, since being fired from ASU, helping his son coach a high school team in Oregon? And when he finally does land another coaching position, it's to mentor a young kid who's been such a miserable failure that he's put his bosses' job in jeopardy.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    I love the utah "fans" all jumping to proclaim this as a "great hire" or a "home run". Very funny stuff.

    Now they definately had to do something as the weird johnson hire was an obvious failure and making roderick some invented title of "passing game coordinator" was also a bit of a joke. Now that utah has 3 guys "coordinating" the offense maybe they can raise above 109th? I guess at utah it takes 3 guys to do the job that 1 guy does at every other school in the entire nation.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    This is last gasp for Whit. Three O coordinators in two years...he'd better hope Erickson has something in the tank.

    Let's get some honesty out of u-ville...co-O coordinators? Whatever, Johnson has been pushed aside.

    The other PAC teams have got to be excited...after all they forced Erickson into retirement.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    So it begs this question, how many people does it take to run utha's 109th ranked offense?

    They now have 2 offensive coordinators and a "passing game coordinator". Yes that is right, roderick is retaining the "passing game coordinator" title and repsonsibilities, whatever those are.

    Good grief this is funny stuff. LOL!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    A lot of jealous cougars on this thread already. Also a lot of cougs pretending to be Utes which is even more pathetic.

    Bottom line, Erickson's "baggage" is from long long ago. And what coach of Miami has ever left there unscathed. If we're all honest we can say that it's more about the dynamic surrounding that university then anything. But regardless, that was long ago and Erickson's track record since has been great.

    Great get by Utah. I don't even care how long he stays or doesn't stay, his influence on the offensive side of the ball will be welcomed.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Amen Wookie - to both of your posts!!

  • Tractorduck Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Bryan Johnson has always been likable. And I will never forget how he did in the Sugar Bowl in 2008. But two years as an assistant does not make a coordinator in the Pac 12. He needs mentoring and offensive direction. Erickson should give him just that.

    Kyle could not sit on his heals. Our offensense needs to be more productive.

    And yes, the defense slipped last year. More experience may be need in the coaching ranks
    on that side of the ball as well. It will also help if the defense is not on the field so
    much.

    Go Utes!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Great hire Whitt! It's great to see Whitt paving the path for BJ to be successful. I would have been much more concerned if Whitt was willing to kick him to the curb and give up on him like other programs have with their young OCs. It is also great to have the PAC-12 money to be able to make such a hire.

    UteJunky70: Great post my friend!! I couldn't have said it any better myself.

    Love the jealous trollers!!

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    So It's APRIL 1ST! Where did the winter go. Come on whyt, you have got to be kidding!~

  • MT UTE Missoula, MT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    This is fantastic news! Loving it from here in Montana. Go UTES!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    @Ducky,

    Any insights as to why Heisman Detmer didn't want to even touch your beloved BYU?

    P.S.

    Big 12 call yet?

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Dear Chris B:

    I know you are excited, but don't give the Y fans that do not represent their school in a manner which they know they should. Just be happy and excited and leave BYU alone. There is no reason to stir up controversy when these two programs are heading in different directions. I did not say up or down, just different and leave it at that.

    Go UTES!!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Welcome Dennis. Hopefully the fans on both sides will represent themselves according to their respective institutions ideals, norms, and values. Those who do not, Dennis, are the small minority.

    Go Luck and thank you for coming.

    Go UTES!!

  • Juggy SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    I like it!

    Erickson's hire should help. I hope to see Utah in the top half nationally on offense, but I wouldn't bet real money on it.

    The good news is we can't get much worse on offense than last year, so things will definately get better.

    Go Utes!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    A home run hire.

    Erickson will add a ton of experience and recruiting connections. If he were running the show, I would worry about discipline, but Kyle is the man in charge, so I don't foresee a lot of problems with that.

    Hopefully Erickson can accelerate BJ's learning curve, and hopefully the O line and QB situation solidify themselves.

    GO UTES!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    @christina

    "I wonder if such a wanted coach would have jumped at the chance to join a "non-AQ"?

    I sometimes wonder if you are really a BYU fan who is a genious at making utah "fans" look like absolute idiots? LOL!

    If erickson was "such a wanted" coach how come exactly no one else was trying to hire him?

    LOL!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    Hopefully Coach Erickson will recruit some of the same athletes that he had at ASU. The receivers they had were big, fast and athletic.

    They ran us off the field these last 2 years.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    LOL!

    Not at erickson's capabilities, I'm sure he is capable, but at the "co-offensive coordinator" title. Seriously? whittingham looks foolish anywy from the bj promotion does he really think anyone is fooled by leaving him as the "co"?

    Good grief this is funny stuff.

    LOL!

  • UteJunky70 midvale, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    First off, as a UTE fan I'm getting sick and tired of other UTE fans who continue to judge us against BYU. We have a completely new standard to live up to now and in case anyone has noticed we are failing to achieve that standard. Leave BYU where they belong in the rearview mirror. I like the hire. Anytime you can get a guy with this wealth of experience it has to be a plus. I'm not to concerned about the baggage because he apparently didn't have any issues at ASU. Also not concerned about the win loss record at ASU because the Offense was never the problem. They always had explosive offenses in his time there.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    I really like the idea of Erickson being given co-OC duties with BJ. At 66-yrs of age, it's unlikely he'll remain with the Utes for an extended period of time, and he hadn't really shown a lot of "tenured" positions at many universities anyway. Mentoring BJ should provide some fluidity for our offense if/when Erickson decides to retire, or take another head coaching job somewhere else (like Chow).

    As for all his baggage...I'm not too worried about it. For starters, Whittingham is the head coach; not Erickson. Secondly, even within just the Offensive side of the ball, BJ is still there, and he doesn't bring ANY "behavioral baggage" with HIM. Erickson would be able to mentor the longterm OC for the Utes, and provide an extra recruiting punch in the offseason.

    Great hire Whit.

    GO UTES!!!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    And how would a co-offensive coordinator trigger any of that stuff?

  • canadiancougar624 Raymond, 00
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    please remind me how the last OC with a national championship worked out for U....

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    SoUtBoy25

    "Is this a Ute article or a BYU article?"

    Talk about paranoid.

    Except for resident BYU hater Chris B, you're the only bloggers who's even mentioned anything associated with BYU.

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    As for Erickson, HUGE gamble on Whittingham's part.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Co-coordinator? Wow, this has bad news all over it for my Utes. And what is the comment about bringing someone in with National Championship experience...I seem to remember Mr. Chow working there too, that certainly helped out. I'm afraid we're headed for a dismal time and within 5 years Whitt will be out.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    Utes Fan

    "Regardless of what "baggage" Dennis Erickson brings, he can only help."

    Undisciplined players are only the tip of iceberg as far as the off-the-field issues that plagued Erickson's six seasons in Miami. Gun play, unmentionable escapades, police raids, arrests, drug abuse, drinking, a federal grand jury probe, and cash bonuses to players who made the best hits in games served as the notorious backdrop to Miami's success on the field.

    Erickson has a disturbing past that should be a red flag to any coach who runs a clean program.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    Whit's an absolute genious to bring in a volunteer High school coach to mentor BJ. I see a Championship coming up this year. No need to delay it any further.

  • SoUtBoy25 Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Is this a Ute article or a BYU article? Come on guys, are you so insecure that TDS is still the measuring stick by which you judge your program!

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Whittingham is taking a huge gamble in hiring someone with as much baggage as Dennis Erickson.

    Erickson brings a disturbing history with him. His Miami teams were constantly in trouble with police. No fewer than a dozen scholarship players were arrested in 1994, his final season there. Eleven months into Erickson's tenure with the Seattle Seahawks, the NCAA levied severe sanctions against Miami's football program, stripping 34 scholarships, placing the university on probation for three years, and banning the team from appearing in a bowl game.

    If this blows up in Whittingham's face, he has only himself to blame.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Hopefully, this hire will free up Kyle to spend more time with the defense as they really slipped last year. And with numerous key positions on the defensive line and corner-backs needing to be filled, Utah will have to work hard to get back to defensive excellence.

    Regardless of what "baggage" Dennis Erickson brings, he can only help. Some of the "baggage" Erickson had was undisciplined players at ASU. But since Erickson is not the head coach, that shouldn't be an issue.

    This makes sense. Good hire.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    What a joke. Erickson peaked at OSU and has been going downhill ever since.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    "co-offensive coordinator"? Move BJ to the sideline where he can send in signals and use those jumbo cartoon cards and extreme hand gestures. Let someone else call the plays please!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    "Erickson will begin his duties at Utah on Feb. 19, sharing coordinator duties with the 25-year-old Johnson." That's a good one. I wonder who'll take the lead on this "co-OC" set-up. My money is not on Johnson!

  • 965 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    We hired one of the architects of the spread for our future QBs.(Wilson, Cox, and Hansen)

    It's nice to know that we will be running an offense tailored to the skill set of these kids, can't say the same for Anae and T. Hill though...

    inb4 R. Nielsen v 2.0

    Heres to 4 in a row next year!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    I wonder if such a wanted coach would have jumped at the chance to join a "non-AQ"?

    I'm guessing no.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    Kyle must be really clever to get a mentor for Brian Johnson with the amount of experience that Dennis Erickson brings!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    National Championship coach wanted to come to Utah!

    I love my BCS membership.

    Great hire K Whit!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Kyle must really be desperate to get a mentor for Brian Johnson to hire someone with the baggage Dennis Erickson brings.