Haws is the number one target of opposing teams because nobody else on this team
can play. I am so disgusted with our post players I want to scream Davies is a
soft, lazy, unenergetic player who cannot shoot. What is a college senior doing
shooting airballs on free throws? Good grief. And although Austin shows some
promise, he can't shoot either, and make a lot of dumb plays...to go along
with all of Davies dumb plays. Then Zylstra has a decent shooting percentage
only about every fourth game--and never on an away court. Carlino has a lot of
talent but is determined to throw up a lot of dumb, wasted, shots that have no
chance of going in.I for one will be glad to see these senior
graduate and get out of the way. I don't know what Rose has coming in the
way of post players, other than Mika, but until BYU can get some post players
who can actually play, actually score, shoot, and play defense--BYU will be a
Byu cannot now come in 1st or 2nd in the WCC, but I predict they will comtend
for the conference championship in the playoffs. I believe Coach Rose can get
them back on track. I guess we'll see when that time comes (BYU has 5 games
left in the regular season). Good luck, guys.
5 games to go.6 days to begin to fix things.Will/should/maybe/maybe
not drill a terrible Portland team.3 very emotional/tough games to follow
(not good for a team trying to fix things).A final cakewalk(?) against a
terrible LMU team.Semi-final exit in the WCC Tourney.NIT...Not
exactly a season coaches, players, fans had in mind.
Looking ahead to next year, we lose Davies, Zylstra and Cusick. Of note, we
pick up Mika and K Collinsworth. It's feeling like the next two years are
going to be more of the same. I think Carlino is putting too much
pressure on himself to be the next Jimmer, and he's not. We need to find a
shooting guard who can shoot the ball. And we need to instill a blue collar
work ethic like Hartsock and Abouo brought every game. Our defense was
pathetic. To give up 60 points in a half to a team like the Dons should be
embarrassing to every player.
Carlino needs to remember he is not the only player on the team. He looked
horrible last night from the nose bleed seats just running down the floor just
to throw junk up. The dons won because they passed the ball and use the shot
clock. BYU only let the shot clock past 20 seconds probably 10 times the entire
game. they need to pass to get the open shot rather than throwing something up
praying it goes in. It looked like church ball last night.
Maybe it's time to quit making excuses and simply admit that BYU is not a
good team, with the exception of Haws. It's not like we are losing to
Always high expectations of Y BB teams, last night Cougars played tired--this
team lacks confidence, energy, consistency, need to play smart, like they came
to win. Let Kafousi set screens for Haws. Too many drives into d player, pull
up & pop it!
These 2 whoopings in basketball come simultaneous to a football recruiting class
which must have set a new record for the most 2-Stars in a single class....Tough
times down there in provo, to say the very least!!!!
"Maybe it's time to quit making excuses and simply admit that BYU is
not a good team, with the exception of Haws. It's not like we are losing to
quality teams..."I agree!!!!
Hate to pick a single article and give a sweeping comment but that's what
I'm going to do...BYU sports has definitely taken a hit since
we stepped away from the MWC... I think that Recruiting has probably gotten
harder, playing in HS sized venues has been tougher, Scheduling has definitely
gotten tougher, Coaches probably feel like they have lost status (how long will
Rose and Mendenhall stay), There is not the anticipation and angst that you use
to see at the games or in fighting for a Conference Title or getting the players
on an all-conference team(football or Basketball)...Bronco
didn't have a good Recruiting year, and lucky for Dave Rose that he has a
good feeder school 10 miles away from Campus (take away Lone Peak HS and we
would be in a world of hurt)...I think that our problems lie with
Holmoe, Samuelson, and whoever else was involved in moving us to Independence in
FB and the WCC in BBall. Anyway you slice it, it was a bad move and we will soon
reap the pains caused by the decision. Both Samuelson and especially Holmoe need
to be replaced... Sad but true.
"None of us have given up."That's not what it looked
like to me. That effort in the last 12 minutes of the 2nd half was putrid. How
hard would it be to put someone on Doolin that could take him out of their
offense like they were doing with Tyler? What's good for the goose is good
for the gander (as the old saying goes).2nd game in a row where
Doolin has taken over the 2nd half of a game and made us look foolish.
Dellavedova from St Mary's does the exact same thing and both guys are
slower than molasses in January. We have good on-ball defenders sitting cold on
the bench and we let guys like Carlino and Zylchstra do their bull-fighter
routine ("Ole") and let Doolin pick and roll us to death up top. When
they're not picking and rolling us to death, he just decides to go where
ever he feels like going and then we have EVERYONE and their sisters turn and
leave their men open out on the 3pt line for easy shots.We just kept
doing the same thing over and over. It made me sick.
I've about had my fill of WCC officiating. My wife and MIL who never watch
basketball and don't even know the rules were watching the game with me and
saw how the refs were letting USF defenders maul and mug Haws all night long. My
wife turned to me at one point and said, "That can't be legal, can they
do that?!"it's a crock that they mugged Tyler before he
even touched the ball and yet we end up with more fouls called on us than on
them for the game(and it's in the Marriott center to boot) and they shoot
more FT's. I never thought I'd see the day that I missed MWC
officials.BYU has to adapt to the WCC style of play because teams
now don't even try to hide their mugging of BYU players. The book is out in
the WCC on how to beat BYU. Mug them, punch them in the mouth, grab, hold, shove
them, knock them to the floor (how many times did Davies end up hitting the
deck?), whatever. It's fair game and we aren't able to respond.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs in Provo. I hope Rose can do something,
but I'm not optimistic. These are great young men who simply have lost
their work ethic as well as their skill at developing plays. When was the last
time you actually saw them run a play? Good luck to these seniors in your
future. Life is more than a basketball game, and for all that you are I give
you credit. You are great role models for others. I'm ready for next
season. But I'd love to see the team have fun the rest of the way and I
hope you can have a great tournament. Go Cougars.
Goodness, I'm just as frustrated as everyone else at the way things have
turned out this far but my gosh, some folks on these boards are just vicious,
cold, nasty, and downright unforgiving. I wonder if they were ever as good as
these kids are, or if they even play varsity ball for that matter. Some of them
probably can't even shoot a basket let alone one from the f/t line and yet
they brutally crucified these kids for having a few off nights. Now some are
going as far as calling for both Rose and Mendenhall to go, even Holmoe and
Samuelson are not immune from the wrath of these know it all. If you folks
think you can do a better job, then please apply. I'm sure BYU could use
your expertise. If not, then please zip it, or have the courtesy to be
respectful and kind in your comments. The kids and their coaches have feelings
too and I'm sure they're feeling just as bad as we all are at this
point. Let's be patient...all may not be lost yet!
I bleed Cougar blue and have for fifty years!I was not surprised
that the Cougars got hammered this past week. Delgado and Augustino are
non-contributors and the Cougars are weak inside. More significantly, BYU's
coahces should have told Haws what they are going to sit down and tell him this
week months ago!Please don't tell me that we didn't see
teams beating him up as the defensive game plan. Iowa State demonstrated how to
defend Haws!!!!Rose has not impressed me with his recruiting or with
his development of players. Rice's loss was clearly huge for BYU.Next year we shall see whether Rose can coach. He hasn't done a heck of
a lot this year. Carlino continues to play out of control and Davies has not
What a bunch of fair weather fans with no backbone. If one of you had a bad day
at work you would probably quit and go on welfare. BYU has been to 6 NCAA
tournaments in a row. No one goes every year. The basketball team has loads of
talent in the pipeline.Gonzaga is really, really good and ST. Marys
is tough but I hope BYU can make a run through the conference tournament. If
not, hope they turn it around for a good run in the NIT. Go Cougars!
It is said that experience and expertise comes from dealing with repeated
exposure to a specific event. For example if your favorite team keeps loosing
(let’s say 14 losses this season) you would become an expert at
recognizing a bad team. Too the trolls; thanks for sharing your prodigious
experience and expertise.
It's not the end of the world. It's a down year. BYU has the 13th
ranked recruiting in the nation this year in basketball. Things will be fine. 6
straight NCAA bids is not something to cry about. Next year will likely be
another run towards the NCAA tourney. Rose is awesome! He has done nothing but
win. The good thing is that 90+ percent of BYU fans agree with me. I understand
how emotions can make you say heat of the moment things. The Jazz are playing
poorly, the Cougars and Utes are playing poorly. Football is over for the
season. Relax, as any fan of a team in the state of Utah knows.....There's
always next year!
We have been spoiled by past success. Personally, I forget there are five
sophomores playing a lot of minutes and we lost two important big men to
injuries. Davies is frustrating, but why is 6'11" Nate Austin doing
reverse layups when he should be throwing it down ala Sharp. Because we are
pretty young, the future looks brighter than AZUTE's ute's future.
I have said it once and I will say it again. We need a big mans coach I had
hoped Pope would do it but he was not an inside player. We need someone like
Greg Kite to come in and work with the bigs and show them how to bang and not
flop so much
Aside from inconsistency, the biggest issue this team has is the absolutely late
of leadership on this team. Davies, the designated Senior "captain", is
far from it. Haws is getting pounded on and strating to break just a little bit
and we have gotta be one of the softest teams. We're no where near tough
enough in the paint. We could pushed around and mandhandled every game.
This team is very young and too small. After the preseason road swings to Baylor
and Iowa State, it was obvious to me that this team would not be very good.
Sharp is a player and will get better. Haws is still a little mission soft and
has no help. Carlino is still too wild and crazy. We have a bunch of tweeners.
Davies and Winder are not playing as well as I expected. The JUCO guys are
non-factors. This team can't defend the perimeter, unlike last year. A
little too small? A little too slow? I don't know, but Rose does. Ute trolls criticize BYU for not being able to win in the WCC high school
gyms. Well, most PAC12 would lose to Gonzaga and St Marys. Look at the old Big
East - lots of Catholic schools playing in high school gyms. The NCAA tournament
is littered with teams from small schools with small gyms. Butler? Davidson?
Loyola of Chicago? List goes on.I think that the WCC is tougher than
the MWC, so I don't buy the nonsense that the WCC is a weak conference. It
Stop whining Coug fans. It's an off year for us. That happens. There's
more games to play this year & I hope the team can get its confidence back
for the remaining schedule. This week's rest should help. Go Cougs!!
Re: thebigsamoan-- First of all, your screen name really scares me, so I'll
tread softely! :o) "If you folks think you can do a better job, then please
apply." We readers and fans are doing precisely what these reader comments
venues are for: to voice our opinions, frustrations, etc. As long as we're
civil with each other, I think all's good. I don't see anything wrong
for venting our frustrations in writing. I'm one of those who couldn't
hit the broad-side of a barn with a basketball, but I'm still a sports fan.
When I comment, I KNOW I cen't even come remotely close to the skill level
of the coaches and players, but that still doesn't mean that I don't
have the right to voice my disappointment.
BYU needs to get tougher. The up-tempo style of play is fun to watch but
they're getting killed in conference play when opposing teams turn up the
heat and become purposefully more physical (and the officials allow it). Against
USF the Y had zero (O) fast break points.I remember an NBA finals
back in '84 where the Showtime Lakers got mauled by the Celtics and lost
the championship. They came back the next year very determined and they were
ready for the Celtics physical play in the finals. They matched the Celts
physical play and at times even out-toughed them and beat them in the Finals.
They adapted to the new NBA and ended up going back to the finals several more
times.As long as opposing teams are going to see success with these
tactics they will continue. BYU needs to learn to play in the half court and BYU
big men have to get tougher. Rose has guys on the bench who have 5 fouls each to
give and he should start sending in the Goon Squad. If opposing teams are going
to use hockey tactics Rose needs to give a little back.
If this is a bad year for BYU basketball I will take it. Can't have a
great season every year. The future looks bright. GO COUGS!!!!!
I think the MWC has more talent than the WCC, but WCC teams are way more
aggressive. The WCC plays street ball LA and Bay area style. Plus, the WCC teams
are tired of hearing from everyone how difficult it is for teams to play in the
MC. They've geared up to take down the paper mache Goliath. The Cougars are
going to have to learn how to play street ball to keep up in the WCC, and
perhaps look to Cali for recruits instead of the Wasatch Front and the mighty
Lone Peak High School. The Cougs need some of the hood to compete.
"We need someone like Greg Kite to come in and work with the bigs and show
them how to bang and not flop so much" - billybubbaI agree
somewhat. Last year Hartsock collected 55 blocks in 34 games. This year, through
26 games, Kaufusi, Harward, Sharp, Davies, and Austin have combined for the same
number (55). Hartsock was not a 'banger', but he found a way to be a
presence inside. What Pope needs to do is to teach his players that taking a
charge is too high of a risk. Instead, they need to time their jump to
block/change shots and be more physical when rebounding. Doing so will take a
lot of pressure off the perimeter defenders and could go a long way in helping
BYU defend the 3-pt line (easier to stay with your man if you don't have to
bail out your bigs on the glass or on the penetration).
Take Doolin out of the game? He's a great point guard, something BYU
lacks. You're not going to take a good point guard out of the game as you
suggest. You put Doolin on BYU's team and we would suddenly be a very
basketball team. You take Gonzaga, St. Mary's along with a couple of other
teams and the point guard makes the difference. BYU is so concerned about
pushing the ball up the floor and getting a shot off that you seldom see the
shot clock get below 20 seconds. Forced shots by Carlino, Haws, and Davies are
the same as turnovers. With Carlino as your point guard next year will be no
better. Maybe Collinsworth can win that spot and move Carlino to a shooting
guard. This team is not a very good basketball team. Hopefully we'll get
better but I just don't see it in the near future.
billybubba, you're spot on with your comment. We have talent in the post,
but they're not playing the way they should. Get those guys going and it
will take a ton of pressure off the guards, then they'll start scoring the
way they're capable. This all starts with coaching; I love Coach Rose, but
we need someone on the staff who can teach them how to play.
As much as I hate to admit it, this BYU team should not have ANY post season, no
NCAA, not even an NIT bid should come the Cougars way this year. In all
fairness I think Dave Rose got blindsided by two career ending injuries that
came after he was forced to release Demarcus Harrison form his scholarship to
Clemson. If either Stephen Rodgers along with Chris Collinsworth were healthy
with Harrison, I think the results would be substantially different with a
deeper team.But on another note BYU is playing in a league where
they will NEVER fit in with their style of play & the size of arena as well
as student-body and alumni base populations. Greg Wrubell can tout all he likes
about the "religious affiliation' along with the BYU administration,
but the fact of the matter is unless BYU can somehow be included in an expanded
Big 12 (where they could do "work-arounds" on the Sunday play issue),
BYU and the basketball program in particular would be better suited to move back
to the MWC and please those LDS Church leaders who wish for BYU to be aligned
with Utah State for the future.
BYU has a fun exciting team but virtually no defense in the SF second half is
very worrisome. A team doesn't hit 9 of 10 threes without serious flaws in
the defense. A complete 40 minute game is needed.
@ BlueHuskyThe OLD Big east. Currently those teams play in arenas
that range from 8,500 to 33,000.Butler's gym holds 10,000, same
as Utah St.'s stadium. Hardly high school gym. In fact, pretty much all
of the legitimate contenders play in respectable sized arenas.Last I
think you are incorrect to believe the WCC is better than the MWC. Conference
ranking wise the MWC is 6th, the WCC is 10th. Top to bottom it's a tougher
league, and it is much more difficult to play on the road. The WCC just
doesn't have any gyms that compare to the T&M, the Pitt, Viejas Arena,
and now the Spectrum. Oh, and we can't forget Wyoming.
Not a "KNOW IT ALL" bigsamoan, just another fan with an opinion...
(Kinda like you)... But I believe one has to be deaf, dumb and blind not to
realize that Cougar Sports have taken a definite dive in both competitiveness
and popularity when we moved Olympic Sports to the WCC and took Football
Independent... Football and Basketball have both been weaker than the year
before since moving and that trend looks to continue...The last 2
years our Home Games have been with less than exciting opponents (Idaho, Idaho
State, S.J. State, New Mexico State, etc.)... No Conference Championships on the
line... Probably should have closed the Season down after Halloween.In BBall the MWC has gotten stronger and the Cougs have gotten worse since we
left...Recruiting has suffered in Football and without Lone Peak HS,
the same would be true of Basketball...It's nice to watch the
games on TV, But exposure would be better if we were in a League with comparable
size schools... We can say that things are just great, but we all
know that's not true. It needs to change and I don't think Holmoe or
Samuelson can do it.
I have been saying it all year long... Haws is a fine young man and a good
basketball player, but should never be scoring 20 ppg. He is a 10-12 point
scorer on a good team. He lacks the size quickness and athletic ability to get
easy shots. Everything he shoot is so difficult. the other problem is that he
shoots the ball from his shoulder, just like his younger brother, T.J. He needs
to rework his shot and get the ball up so that he can shoot over a defender.
Davies is not a Prime time player. He is inconsistent, impatient and lack
self-control to avoid untimely fouls, turnovers and poor decisions. Next year
should be better with Carlino, Collinsworth and Winder playing the perimeter,
they are good on ball defenders.
The Big Cougar can't figure out why his little Cougars can't stop
guards as "slow as molasses" and whines about the officiating
incessantly(yawn). Check this out, the only guard who plays more out of control
than Doolin is Carlino. As far as the officiating goes, dry your tears, blow
your nose and suck it up... bad calls go both ways.
I disagree completely with BYU athletic director Holmoe. Independence in
football is a losing proposition. This falls schedule is great but how many
games are they going to win? I was excited about Cougar basketball but the
terrible losses at San Diego and SF at the Marriott center were
unacceptable.I'm one fan who would like to see BYU go back to the MWC.
Maybe Holmoe has been athletic director too long.
Someone needs to teach our team basic anatomy, specifically the concept of the
elbow; and the its judicious application.