To "atl134" that is a nice distraction. You still did not address the
question.Since the NOAA stated that if no warming occured for 15
years or more then the models were wrong and met the 95% Confidence Interval.
So, eventhough the NOAA has proof that the models are wrong, you still hold to
the lie that the models that the climate change alarmists have good models.According to Phil Jones, leading climate scientist, there had been no
statistically significant warming since 1995. Do you know more than the NOAA or
Phil Jones?Again, why do you trust models that are proven wrong?
Man-made climate change IS a hoax.The proof?It has been
hotter before.And it has colder before, in this case, 1949. What is
the left's explanation for that?Even science can not say that
man has made any more than a few tenths of one degree difference.Which means nature is the only major factor and only significant factor.If the left had not interjected themselves into the free market decades
ago, we probably would all using nuclear power mad driving hydrogen powered cars
by now, and be pollution free, and complaints about fossil fuels
would just be the stuff of story books. The problem is NOT
conservatives or energy/oil companies, or even cars, it is the left interfering
in the natural development of technologies out of irrational fears.And progressives are using climate change solely for the gain of power and
Say it enough times, and people will believe anything---Bill Clinton USA
newspaper 1994Storms have been occurring for thousands of years.
It's nothing new, but some will believe we're causing it with our
cars, and factories. This is laughable, and crazy.
"The storm chased away an inversion that had been hanging over the Wasatch
Front..." Wait, isn't anyone going to give the Repugs a
pass since they obviously arranged for a clean up of the pollution that everyone
has been complaining about?
All climate change is not a hoax, just the man made variety.
@lost in DC["The earth is full... there is enough and to spare"
tells me the planet will be OK. ]That was given long before the
earth reached 7 billion people. And now if all of the 7 billion lived like
Americans... no we wouldn't have the resources for that. Especially in some
parts of the world where they can barely scrape by as it is (particularly when
it comes to water resources).@Redshirt"The NOAA stated the
conditions that prove the models you are using are wrong. Those conditions have
been met. Why do you still trust models that are PROVEN wrong?"Because the 2000s were the warmest decade on record, 2012 was the warmest La
Nina year on record, and January 2013 was the warmest January on record in the
UAH dataset. I'm not particularly surprised that a 15-year trend is near 0
for a period where year 1 is the strongest El Nino in over half a century and
years 11-15 had La Ninas 4 of the 5 years. The models obviously aren't
perfect; for instance they severely underestimated Arctic sea ice melt too.
Al Gore failed science in high school, and got a "D" in college.Hmm? Harsh winters two hundred years ago must have been caused by steam
engines.There's a better chance of ants stopping earthquakes,
then people changing the weather/climate.Just a hint--energy from
the sun varies.
How can you tap the Yellowstone or Missouri when everybody cries foul about
tapping the Colorado River, which we have rights to divert and it runs through
@jsfWhere did I say anything about CO2? I said pollution...you
know, that nasty brown stuff that smells bad and turns your lungs black. It
comes from engine exhaust and burning stuff (like coal).So again, if
we are supposed to be wise stewards of the earth, do you think that polluting
the air is part of being a wise steward? This is a yes or no question.
According to the NOAA, "Near-zero and even negative trends are common for
intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s
internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero
trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of
warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected
present-day warming rate." See "STATE OF THE CLIMATE IN 2008" at
the NOAA website.Now, we have reports from the UK Met Office stating
that the climate warming stopped at least 15 years ago. see "Global Climate
Warming Stopped 15 Years Ago, UK Met Office Admits" in New American.So, we have a study that states if warming is stalled by 15 years or
more it meets teh 95% CI to prove that the models used for warming are wrong.Ok alarmists, here is the question. The NOAA stated the conditions that
prove the models you are using are wrong. Those conditions have been met. Why
do you still trust models that are PROVEN wrong?
**'Study says coal burning in Utah kills 202 a year' - AP - Published
by DSNews - 10/19/10**'EPA inventory shows Utah's sources
of greenhouse gas' - By Amy Joi O'Donoghue - 02/05/13 - Published by
the Deseret News'WASHINGTON — The nation's power
plants continue to be the single largest stationary source of greenhouse gas
emissions, according to new information released Tuesday by the Environmental
Protection Agency.'Now with the Kennecott smelter switching to
natural gas, where is any other coal fired plant on the wasatch front? Oh my
gosh they aren't the single largest source of greenhouse gas emissions on
the Wasatch Front. Must be the 202 dead each year are over in Colorado and
places beyond. And additionally even though CO2 is listed as a greenhouse gas,
at ten times the level it is now, it will not hurt you.
lost in DCWest Jordan, UT"The earth is full... there is
enough and to spare" tells me the planet will be OK. ---I
grow ever so tired of this false doctrine.God ALWAYS has
stipulations to his promises.It is Obedience.We will ONLY have
"enough and to spare" if we use it wisely, treat it the very best we
can, and do everything in our OWN power to preserve and protect her.If not, the Lord is also on record, and made it perfectly clear he will
destroy us.============= jsfCenterville, UTDo youself a favor.Turn off the radio, and Google or Wiki the
atmospheric compostition of our sister planet Venus.BTW - CO2 is not
a pollutant, it is a greehouse gas.
But, Brave Sir Robin, CO2 is not pollution. Horticulturists tell us the CO2
levels should be double what they are. So in all actuality I should not be on
the side of AGW scientists that tell me CO2 is a pollution. Because it is a
lie. Now back to real pollution.
@lost in DC"The earth is here for our use, but not for our
abuse."So let's ignore global warming for a minute and
focus only on pollution. Would you say that pollution is use or abuse of the
earth? To me, that's abuse. So since you're "clinging to the
scriptures", shouldn't you be on the side of the global warming
scientists, even if for a different reason?
@ lost in DC: Can you honestly tell me that current conditions don't
constitute abuse of the earth? Can you honestly say you believe God approves of
wasting resources and not looking for more environmentally friendly
alternatives? In spite of the words of the Bible, do you honestly believe God
is going to save us from our own poor choices to abuse his gift of the world?Yes, God gave us dominion and made us stewards and promised as long as
we are faithful and do our job there will be enough and to spare. Can you
honestly look at the world around you and claim that we are doing our part? Do
you think anything about the current state of our environment is going to make
God say, "Oh yeah, that's just what I intended."?(Hint:
Church leaders are urging conservation and increased protection of natural
climate change is just the mantra al gore wanted to use to corner the market on
carbon credits and line his own pocket, and for foreign despots to raid the US
treasury since we have abused the earth for so long at their expense so they are
now due some sort of recommpense.If the libs are so concerned about
all the CO2, they can stop exhaling and adding to the CO2.FT,I'd rather cling to the scriptures than to man's ever-changing
theories and philosophies regardless of how much you chose, in your typical
liberal "tolerance", to denigrate us. "The earth is
full... there is enough and to spare" tells me the planet will be OK. When
God gave Adam dominion over the earth and all things on the face thereof, He
also gave him responibility to take care of. The earth is here for our use, but
not for our abuse.
The more the climate change deniers speak the worse they sound. Facts are facts
but you can continue to cling to your bibles and radio talk show hosts ignorant
babble. The "deniers" are our generations human sacraficers or flat
Hello Mountainman: I think that global warming is real. Putting all the CO2 up
in the atmosphere is going to have an effect. (Between you and I, I would be
incredibly happy if Al Gore was shown to be wrong. I guess that I believe in
global warming, not because of Al Gore, but in spite of Al Gore.)
Since the beginning of time the world and its climate have and continue to
change, to think man is responsible is an asinine hoax. - Smokey Lonesome **'Lung Association slams Utah areas for bad air' - By Amy
Joi O'Donoghue - DSNews - 04/30/09 **'Study says coal
burning in Utah kills 202 a year' - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/19/10 **'EPA inventory shows Utah's sources of greenhouse
gas' - By Amy Joi O'Donoghue - 02/05/13 - Published by the Deseret
News 'WASHINGTON — The nation's power plants
continue to be the single largest stationary source of greenhouse gas emissions,
according to new information released Tuesday by the Environmental Protection
JoeBlow-Since the beginning of time the world and its climate have
and continue to change, to think man is responsible is an asinine hoax.
Now climate change is a hoax? Wow! You will not find one scientist on Earth
who says climate change is a hoax. Manmade? Maybe. But climate change? Have
you never heard of the ice age?
@Mountanman"should we try to make the weather the warmer to avoid
these record cold temps "We did not set a single record low at
SLC International January 2013 nor were we even within 6 degrees of a record
low. It was the coldest January since 1949 primarily due to the extended
inversion events. It should be noted that January 1949 was actually a full 5F
colder than January 2013.
@Mountanman"Seems global warming really is a hoax doesn't
it?"You want to say that after Utah just pulled its warmest year
on record in 2012 and the lower 48 set its warmest year on record by a full 1.0F
in 2012?But let's forget a regional matter and look at the
globe since well... we're talking about global warming. How did the globe
do this past month?For January 2013, Roy Spencer's (an
anthropogenic climate change skeptic) UAH satellite dataset showed a +.51C
temperature anomaly globally in January 2013, the warmest January globally in
the UAH satellite record (1979 onward). So it is clear that while yes, Utah was
cold this past month, the world as a whole was warmer than average. So why
should I believe that global warming is a hoax again?
Climate change is a hoax.
GLOBAL COOLING!Well, the fanatics shout about warming every time we
have a warm month -- turn-about is fair play.
And again Mountain Man, your right on as usual....Its tooooo easy. They
don't have an answer to your question, but I can give you their answer for
them, its too easy. You see, there is really no precise answer. The answer is
always going to directly correlated to the following principles. Whatever your
driving now, living in now or wearing now, is to much, you need to downsize,
give-up or sacrifice. Whatever you paying for taxes, fees, licensing or other
government confiscations, its not enough! You need to do more! No matter how big
government gets, or its bureaucracies, and unfunded mandates are, its not
enough. We need to suffer more. Just make sure you ignore ALL evidence that
contradicts the theories of man-made global warming, and take most or all of
your personal liberties and throw them in the trash. Of course we need to always
have special exemptions for special, elite, liberals, because they
are...special. There is your answer!
Thanks Mountainman..Joe looks like a genius...it's just actually tooooooo
Oh, you poor utahns......
Thanks, Joe Blow. Your timing was an impeccable.
Despite the recent snow and cold. Utah's snowpack doesn't look so good
as a water supply come spring. Not to sound like a broken record but Utah water
agencies need to start looking at the economics of tapping the the Yellowstone
or Missouri rivers. Otherwise the regions water supplies can not support the
Utah population and future growth. Tick-tock tick-tock !!
"January the coldest month since 1949." Wow! Seems global warming really
is a hoax doesn't it? Even if we could change the weather, should we try to
make the weather the warmer to avoid these record cold temps or should we try to
make the climate colder? Record warm weather or record cold weather, do we get a
choice? What is the optimum temperature of the Earth?
And to follow, will be all those who confuse climate with weather and will cite
this article as absolute proof that climate change is a hoax.