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Published: Saturday, Feb. 9 2013 1:25 p.m. MST

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Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

These schemes ignore the natural pace of brain development. The rare student who can pull off a college degree at 18 is not the rest of us. The vast majority are still developing the brain capacity to deal with college-level work well into our 20s. It just won't work, and why the hurry anyway? (I know, I know, to save money--that's all that matters, even if it doesn't work.)

Cloudiie
Logan, UT

I'm a Senior at one of these schools. The point isn't for me to be a grad student by the time I leave high school and it does save money because most of what you do fills basic college gen ed requirements.
You are right, these schools aren't for the average student. They never said they were. The point is to give students who want a more rigorous curriculum the opporunity to have that. For an intelligent, hard working student, there is nothing more frustrating than being stuck in a class that is too easy when you have the capability to move on. The problem with our education system is that people think we need one school that can take care of everyone. I am so grateful to go to the high school I do, I would not be the same person I am without it.
Being able to take college classes with actual college students has prepared me to know what to expect as far as workload and expectations. Not being mentally capable until 20 has nothing to do with college preparedness. It has to do with having a work ethic and being able to be responsible.

jrlandeen
West Jordan, UT

I went to the school featured in this article. I was an average student that just had a desire to learn. The teachers are willing to work with you. I attended the school in from 2010-2012. I graduated from high school with an associates degree and felt well prepared for college. This school is not just for the "gifted" it is for anyone who has a desire to learn. If you have the opportunity to attend this school or any other school that has a similar program I would suggest that you do so. It is well worth the work.

Patrick Henry
West Jordan, UT

I commend those who work diligently and get ahead. I wish more would dedicate themselves to graduating high school with their associate degree.

AChapin
Albany, Linn, OR

With " Dumb Down Education " this will be hard to do. You have to learn to read first.Excelled education has always been available to gifted students. Would love to see this change but the union's won't allow it. They don't want students to be tested. It would show how bad things are. So I give my support for trade schools.

EJM
Herriman, UT

Our public school system could do, and should do, exactly what these other schools are doing. They just lack the will to insist upon a more rigorous, more disciplined structure within their schools. It only takes one parent complaining about how difficult a teacher or class is for their student and the dominoes begin falling. I work in the system and I see it everyday.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

I like this. Most people are probably going to ignore the comments of jrlandeen. What he (she) indicates may actually be the future of things to come in public education.

Those kids who actually want to learn and get ahead will go to schools that actually teach. Those that are going to school because they have to or because their parents make them will have an inferior system where they will go to school.

Oatmeal
Woods Cross, UT

Hmmm... Many regular public high schools are getting numbers similar to these college-prep institutions. Check out what is going on at Davis High School up in Kaysville or Park City High School. Combine parental support, a good faculty and adminstrative support, and a great majority of our high school grads should have at least some ocllege credit. Stop asking what the kids can't do and start dreaming about what they CAN DO!

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Student are cheating them self by accepting high
school and college credit for the same course work.

By doubling up they are missing out on either high
school learning, or college learning. If getting a full
grades 1 through 12 + college education is your
goal. Choose classes wisely, work diligently, and
spend spend the full amount of time in each
arena.

worf
Mcallen, TX

We need more college graduates.

We need people who "can pay a little more".

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "These schemes ignore the natural pace of brain development. . . . It just won't work, and why the hurry anyway?"

It's been working for 50+ years. I, myself, did it back in 1968.

Why the hurry? The better question is, "why not?" Educational pace should be a matter of personal choice, not subject to the whim of liberal "professionals" and their gritty, money-grubbing trade union. Once the educational standard has been achieved, the student should be free to move on [or not], as he/she sees fit.

Of course, accelerated education is not for everyone. But, here's hoping we never empower "educators" to deny such an opportunity to willing and able students, just to advance a tax-grubbing trade-union agenda.

Blather about students "cheating" themselves by choosing not to undergo the exact same pedagogy twice needs no rejoinder, and is, of course, best disregarded out of hand.

John Brown 1000
Laketown, UT

Are student's really cheating themselves, or does this demonstrate that the last two years of High School and the first two of college include a lot of duplication?

Is Freshman biology really that different from HS biology? I took calculus in HS. I took it in college. Same material. My daughter had the option to take medical terms in HS. And medical terms in college. Same material. Big American US History Survey Course in HS. Big American US History Survey Course in college. Same thing.

I live in a small Utah county. Our school does not have the staff to support a large AP program. So we do concurrent enrollment. Both of my oldest daughters graduated HS with their associates. I have seen no ill effects. Conversely, I have seen that they were better prepared for college. Much better prepared than I was.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "cjb" what "high school learning" are they missing out on? Do they miss out on how the jocks are held up as the hero's of the school? Do they miss out on how to deal with class clowns that disrupt the teacher?

Personally, I would have loved to go to a highshool that is more concerned with acedemics than sports.

Other than obtaining an associates degree, what is the difference between this type of program and AP courses?

midvale guy
MIDVALE, UT

Both of my children attended this school. They have since graduated. The only thing left out or sporting events, sports teams, dances, clubs etc. All of these things are also able to be attended through the school that the student would have normally attended as well. The only thing missing are other students who are not dedicated to doing their homework, participating in class and overall being a complete distraction to others who are serious about getting their education.The teachers, the parents and the students all review four times a year at minimum to make sure progress is being accomplished at the required pace. This all adds up to a much better environment than can be found in most public schools. This direction saves the parents of each student or the students themselves about $ $10,000 at minimum on the cost of college. Like everything else in life, it's a question of priorities. These schools will definitely exclude students that do not have their priorities on education and allows teachers to be much more efficient than in public schools. The result is more professionals entering into the job market with the proper attitude, background and motivation

Elk Hair Caddis
Sandy, UT

One of our children decided to attend iterneris. She graduated with the associate degree, made many good friends and went on to college.

This is were the brain developement that ironyguy mentioned came into play. A typical 20 year old is in a much better place to decide on a major than an 18 year old. At 18 our child was purplexed with that decision. After 2 years of courses in several different majors and the life experiances that go with living away from home our child knew what direction to go.

Was Iterneris a good experiance for our child ? Absolutely. If another child requested the same would we be supportive? Absolutely. Would we see it as a quick way to a carrer path and savings of tuition cost? Absolutely NOT.

Acegrace
Lilburn, GA

With the LDS lowered missionary age, this would help those who choose to serve to still graduate "on time" if they could get their basic courses out of the way during high school.
Great idea!

UGradBYUfan
Snowflake, AZ

procuradorfiscal
You seem to have an ax to grind.
"But, here's hoping we never empower "educators" to deny such an opportunity to willing and able students, just to advance a tax-grubbing trade-union agenda."

I have been a professional educator for about 17 years, and it just so happens, that I taught at Itineris for 1 year. I can honestly say that I have never met one of these "tax-grubbing trade-union agenda educators" that you are referring to. By your comment, it sounds as though you are watching too much Fox News or something. Utah's educators don't have a true trade-union. Utah is a right to work state and doesn't require teachers belong to a Labor union.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Utah's educators don't have a true trade-union."

Yeah, that's been UEA/NEA's mantra for years. "No one here but us 'concerned citizens.' We're not one of those gritty trade unions, we're an association of 'professionals.'"

Take a look at the mission statement. Then look at its own press releases, where it points out the "UEA is the largest public employee's union in the state, representing more than 18,000 teachers . . . ."

Then, look at their illegal work stoppages, dating back to at least 1964, and the brutal threats and intimidation used to enforce union discipline.

Then, there are, of course, the usual trade-union tactics, from deceptive opposition to measures like vouchers [that every honest commentator agrees would be better for students, but not teachers], to deceptions like your misquote of me, suggesting I'm anti-teacher, rather than anti-union-corruption.

It'd make a teamster boss proud.

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