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Published: Friday, Feb. 8 2013 9:25 p.m. MST

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Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Employers blocking employee access to family planning makes the case for systematic disrespect for worker's rights.

I find it more than ironic that the GOP is all about individual rights and freedom of religion, until the rights belong to labor and the religion is non-Christian.

If they really believed in freedom, then they would proactively protect the rights of those with whom they disagree, not just those who talk, look and believe as they do.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Midwest Mom

Employers are not blocking anything, you are free to pursue any family planing on your own and your dime.

They just do not want to be FORCED to pay something violates their constitutional rights.

And they are the ones paying.

"If they really believed in freedom, then they would proactively protect the rights of those with whom they disagree, not just those who talk, look and believe as they do."

So would the democrats and the liberals.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Skeptic. Super capitalism versus what? Super socialism? Not sure what you mean but where ever the line between capitalism and socialism is, we crossed it big time and we are ow spending our grandchildren's future tying to fund it.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

@Mountanman. The USA is a long ways from being a Socialist Nation. Of course we have social programs, but that is not the same as a Socialist National Government. Some people seem to think that any government rule of order over their lives infringes on their freedom and is socialism, or worse. It is just not true.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

The only acceptable means of birth control according to Catholic leaders, whether you're married or not, is abstinence. This has nothing to do with promiscuity.

As an LDS member i don't think my tax dollars should subsidize coffee and tea drinkers. My Jewish friend doesn't think people receiving foodstamps should be able to buy pork products. My Hindu friend doesn't want his tax dollars to subsidize beef products and my Seventh-Day-Adventist friend wants his tax dollars to be restricted to a vegetarian diet. DN is right. There is just a huge disrespect and war against religion.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"Compare N. Korea with S. Korea or the Former E. Germany to W. Germany! But Americans have changed, 47% want free stuff, paid for by others so we now have shifted from capitalism to socialism"

Uh. . . Mountanman, both Germany and South Korea are much more of socialist countries then we are. Both have true socialized medicine and other features that make them more socialist then us. Strange you would use socialist countries to criticize socialism. But, yes, Germany's socialized medical system is much better then ours.

"Congress passing a law requiring religious organizations to provide insurance to prevent birth is a law against establishments of religion. It infringes on the 1st Amendment"

Well then thank goodness nobody is doing this, Richards.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

The Court held that the First Amendment's protection of the "free exercise" of religion does not allow a person to use a religious motivation as a reason not to obey such generally applicable laws. "To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself." Thus, the Court had held that religious beliefs did not excuse people from complying with laws forbidding polygamy, child labor laws…and laws requiring the payment of taxes, among others.

The quote in the above was by none other than Antonin Scalia, so it would appear that the ACA (a generally applicable law) is on safe ground, and that all this hot air about "religious liberty" is just that.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

It's not just religion that is being disrespected. It is the indiscriminate taking of innocent human life that shows disrespect for fellow human beings. I wonder how many people who are pro abortion are also anti capital punishment?

The Scientist
Provo, UT

JSB wrote:

"It's not just religion that is being disrespected. It is the indiscriminate taking of innocent human life that shows disrespect for fellow human beings. I wonder how many people who are pro abortion are also anti capital punishment?"

There is nothing indiscriminate about it. There is nothing inconsistent about a person valuing human life and having respect for fellow human beings, but supporting a fellow human beings' right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy (at a point that does not qualify as "human life" at all).

And there is nothing inconsistent about valuing human life AND supporting Roe vs Wade, yet also supporting capital punishment (which is not about ending "innocent" human life at all).

Only people who operate according to simple-minded, vague, abstract "principles" that completely ignore reality, diversity of opinion, and subtle nuances of situations, see contradictions that are not there.

Hospitality
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Why does everyone have so much confidence in medicine? Where are all the healthy people? Almost everyone I know is on some kind of medication. Most of the health problems people suffer from would disappear if they ate like their pioneer ancestors ate. Dollar sandwiches, cheap pizza, soda pop, and other fast food is creating the sickest, fattest, dumbest population in history. But, gotta keep those patients coming. Funny how the same big investors in healthcare are also invested big in food production and in the pharaceutical industry. And the same people who work at the FDA regularly swap back and forth to Monsanto, who claims they have to feed the world. The FDA gets a failing grade. And so does most of the healthcare industry. Cardiologists have got it right, virtually putting the thoracic surgeons out of work. And emergency room doctors are really good. But any doctor who says "eat right" can expect to be thrown out of the industry. We are not seeing good results with today's medical care overall. Proper lifestyles and eating should put the whole industry out of business. I can't see that happening.

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