If religion is being disrespected... it is only getting what it deserves.
No religious disrespect about male birth control. And I can go into
any gas station for that.
To liberals, big government IS their religion! Abortion is their sacrament,
Charles Darwin and Karl Marx are their apostles and rabid environmentalism and
"social justice" (communism light) are their doctrines. Thus they
attack, disrespect and ridicule the religious faith of all others while they
proselyte from the highest offices in the land. Beware this religion, it
destroys your freedoms, your liberties, your property, your families, the
culture of our country and our spirits. It's ultimate goal is control,
dependency, power and dominance by compulsion and brought about by fundamentally
transforming America. Perhaps it is already too late.
Could someone please explain to me why the government should be allowed to force
employers to pay for others promiscuity? Contraception &
Abortion: It seems to me that we have lost sight of individual accountability.
If you want to get involved in the act, you should be responsible for the
outcome. Isn't that reasonable?If I choose to speed,
isn't is reasonable that I should pay for the ticket? Or is the government
going to step in a pay for that also?
" Abortion is their sacrament, Charles Darwin and Karl Marx are their
apostles "More over-the-top rhetoric.Making abortion
legal certainly is a democratic ideology. However, I know of no one who is in
favor of Abortion.And, ohhh. Charles Darwin. A renowned scientist.
Do you actually take issue with the "survival of the fittest" idea or
that plants and animals evolve?
Religion disrespects individual freedom by trying to supersede it with the
imposition of its' own need for freedom. This is fundamentally wrong in
Mountanman: Yeah, right, that's what all us liberals want. So do we now
just lump all liberals together and say they think the same? And then lump all
righties together and say they think the same? Give us a break!@IJ:
I would agree with you except for one fatal flaw: It's only the woman who
has to stand accountable for the act. The men who also perpetrate this
promiscuity are nowhere to be found after the fact. Give us one good reason why
it's okay for the man - without which there would be no fertilization of
the egg and therefore no issue - to engage in this activity without any public
outcry, but the woman takes the blame from all this just because the fetus
happens to have to grow in her body!
@ Joe Blow. It is ironic that liberals espouse Charles Darwin's survival of
the fittest and reject capitalism, which is economic survival of the fittest and
they provide massive entitlements for those who are not "fit" from those
who are successful in economic evolution. Liberals believe men evolved from
monkeys and conservatives believe in intelligent design. Thus liberalism is a
substitute religion for a creating God. I know tons of liberals who are in favor
of abortions. Did you listen to the rhetoric during the Democratic convention
and the so called "war on women" label put upon anyone who is pro life?
For many people, including several commentators above, that obnoxious first
amendment keeps getting in the way that states that congress can not enact laws
that infringe on religious liberty - even if some don't like that religious
liberty or think that religion is obnoxious or worse. Why don't you start
up a move to repeal the first amendment if you are so upset about the
constitutional protections given to religion? In the meantime, this
administration and the federal government are clearly overstepping their bounds
by trouncing religious liberty.
No. The men aren't gone after the act. All the president has to
do is make contraception free from the government. If he wants it paid for for
people, the government should pay for it.
It is ignoble to not help prevent unwanted pregnancies and then to rail against
the social costs (taxes) to support the poverty of unwanted and troubled
children and their mothers/fathers who receive public assistance paid with tax
dollars (welfare payments). The lack of prevention increases the need for tax
assisted family social help. It is that simple. Too many people want freedom of
their religious believes, but the want others to pay for them.
In "survival of the fittest" just like capitalism, the strongest will
overtake and eventually stamp out the weaker. In nature, it is usually for the
good. Capitalism, left completely unchecked will usually lead to monopolies,
which in turn are bad for everyone.Secondly, advocating a
"womans right to choose" and being pro abortion are two very different
things.I know lots of people (even 50+% of self proclaimed
Republicans) favor a womans right to choose. I know very few who are
pro-abortion.The GOP party platform seeks to make Abortion illegal
even in cases of rape or incest.That is a hard pill to swallow for a rape
victim.Most are not in line with the GOP platform, even among
Strictly speaking, Obamacare/ACA does not provide direct federal funding for
abortion, except in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother,
the same rules that now apply to Medicaid coverage for low-income persons and to
the insurance available to federal workers and military families. In fact, the
new law states specifically that federal funds are not to be used for coverage
of any other kinds of abortions, and that only premium dollars paid by
individuals out of their own pockets may be used to pay for coverage of other
kinds of abortions.Furthermore, the law allows states to prohibit
policies sold on their exchanges from covering abortions, with the same
exceptions. And it requires that at least one plan in state exchanges not
include abortion coverage beyond federal limitations.The emergency
contraception--Plan B and Ella-- are used to prevent ovulation. They are not
abortifacients. RU-486, classified as an abortifacient is not covered nor
mandated under Obamacare.
Lets vote on it.All in favor of promiscuous sex can pay for extra the portion of
Obamcare that goes to abortions and contraception. While those who believe in
abstention and life do not pay the surcharge.
Nothing in the requirements for a business operation would relegate a business
or it’s owner to “second-class status” and as for the
“conscience rights of business owners”, freedom of religion
requires, even demands, that the rules for business operation “ignore
conscience rights”.Business operations exist to serve the
general public. The use of a business operation to further a religious dogma
must not be allowed to override that purpose. A business operation, through it
business organization and activities, has an economic control over it’s
employees and customers. That control, when used to promote and enforce a
religious dogma, denies the employee or the customer their personal religious
@ Joe Blow. Capitalism has produced the highest standard of living the world has
ever seen because it does not restrict creativity and encourages inventions,
progress and entrepreneurialism. Capitalism has a built in incentive;
opportunity to profit from your labor, your investments and your creativity.
Liberalism defeats all of that and one only has to study history to see it over
and over again. Compare N. Korea with S. Korea or the Former E. Germany to W.
Germany! But Americans have changed, 47% want free stuff, paid for by others so
we now have shifted from capitalism to socialism and we will find it is
unsustainable as it always has been and always will be. Socialism does wins
elections, at least for a time!
Doesn't contraception eliminate the need for abortion by preventing a few
cells from turning into a fetus? That doesn't sound like such a bad
thing.Those who oppose contraception apparently don't like the
God of the Bible, who often authorized the termination of unborn life. (See
passages on the putting to death of adulteress women, some of whom would have
been pregnant; the command to slay all people in certain cities, including
pregnant women; the use of bitter water in Numbers 5 to induce an abortion.)
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"Congress passing a law
requiring religious organizations to provide insurance to prevent birth is a law
against establishments of religion. It infringes on the 1st Amendment. Obama,
our Constitutional Expert, seems to think that promoting and then signing a bill
that patently infringes on the 1st Amendment is within his authority,
notwithstanding the fact that he took an oath to defend the Constitution against
all enemies. The fact the so many people support his disdain of the
Constitution shows how contempt for law in today's America has trumped law
@IJ"Could someone please explain to me why the government should be
allowed to force employers to pay for others promiscuity? "They really aren't even paying any more than they are already paying
anyway for health insurance because insurance companies shell out more for the
care of mother/baby than they do for birth control.
@Mountanman. There is a major distinction between Capitalism and Super
Capitalism, and that is the rub. Free enterprise and entrepreneurship is
supported by capitalism and most other isms, but it is stifled by Super
Employers blocking employee access to family planning makes the case for
systematic disrespect for worker's rights.I find it more than
ironic that the GOP is all about individual rights and freedom of religion,
until the rights belong to labor and the religion is non-Christian. If they really believed in freedom, then they would proactively protect the
rights of those with whom they disagree, not just those who talk, look and
believe as they do.
@Midwest MomEmployers are not blocking anything, you are free to
pursue any family planing on your own and your dime. They just do
not want to be FORCED to pay something violates their constitutional rights.And they are the ones paying."If they really believed in
freedom, then they would proactively protect the rights of those with whom they
disagree, not just those who talk, look and believe as they do."So would the democrats and the liberals.
@ Skeptic. Super capitalism versus what? Super socialism? Not sure what you mean
but where ever the line between capitalism and socialism is, we crossed it big
time and we are ow spending our grandchildren's future tying to fund it.
@Mountanman. The USA is a long ways from being a Socialist Nation. Of course
we have social programs, but that is not the same as a Socialist National
Government. Some people seem to think that any government rule of order over
their lives infringes on their freedom and is socialism, or worse. It is just
The only acceptable means of birth control according to Catholic leaders,
whether you're married or not, is abstinence. This has nothing to do with
promiscuity. As an LDS member i don't think my tax dollars
should subsidize coffee and tea drinkers. My Jewish friend doesn't think
people receiving foodstamps should be able to buy pork products. My Hindu
friend doesn't want his tax dollars to subsidize beef products and my
Seventh-Day-Adventist friend wants his tax dollars to be restricted to a
vegetarian diet. DN is right. There is just a huge disrespect and war against
"Compare N. Korea with S. Korea or the Former E. Germany to W. Germany! But
Americans have changed, 47% want free stuff, paid for by others so we now have
shifted from capitalism to socialism"Uh. . . Mountanman, both
Germany and South Korea are much more of socialist countries then we are. Both
have true socialized medicine and other features that make them more socialist
then us. Strange you would use socialist countries to criticize socialism. But,
yes, Germany's socialized medical system is much better then ours. "Congress passing a law requiring religious organizations to provide
insurance to prevent birth is a law against establishments of religion. It
infringes on the 1st Amendment"Well then thank goodness nobody
is doing this, Richards.
The Court held that the First Amendment's protection of the "free
exercise" of religion does not allow a person to use a religious motivation
as a reason not to obey such generally applicable laws. "To permit this
would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law
of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto
himself." Thus, the Court had held that religious beliefs did not excuse
people from complying with laws forbidding polygamy, child labor laws…and
laws requiring the payment of taxes, among others. The quote in the
above was by none other than Antonin Scalia, so it would appear that the ACA (a
generally applicable law) is on safe ground, and that all this hot air about
"religious liberty" is just that.
It's not just religion that is being disrespected. It is the indiscriminate
taking of innocent human life that shows disrespect for fellow human beings. I
wonder how many people who are pro abortion are also anti capital punishment?
JSB wrote:"It's not just religion that is being
disrespected. It is the indiscriminate taking of innocent human life that shows
disrespect for fellow human beings. I wonder how many people who are pro
abortion are also anti capital punishment?"There is nothing
indiscriminate about it. There is nothing inconsistent about a person valuing
human life and having respect for fellow human beings, but supporting a fellow
human beings' right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy (at a point
that does not qualify as "human life" at all).And there is
nothing inconsistent about valuing human life AND supporting Roe vs Wade, yet
also supporting capital punishment (which is not about ending "innocent"
human life at all).Only people who operate according to
simple-minded, vague, abstract "principles" that completely ignore
reality, diversity of opinion, and subtle nuances of situations, see
contradictions that are not there.
Why does everyone have so much confidence in medicine? Where are all the
healthy people? Almost everyone I know is on some kind of medication. Most of
the health problems people suffer from would disappear if they ate like their
pioneer ancestors ate. Dollar sandwiches, cheap pizza, soda pop, and other fast
food is creating the sickest, fattest, dumbest population in history. But,
gotta keep those patients coming. Funny how the same big investors in
healthcare are also invested big in food production and in the pharaceutical
industry. And the same people who work at the FDA regularly swap back and forth
to Monsanto, who claims they have to feed the world. The FDA gets a failing
grade. And so does most of the healthcare industry. Cardiologists have got it
right, virtually putting the thoracic surgeons out of work. And emergency room
doctors are really good. But any doctor who says "eat right" can expect
to be thrown out of the industry. We are not seeing good results with
today's medical care overall. Proper lifestyles and eating should put the
whole industry out of business. I can't see that happening.