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Birth control mandate lawsuits make case for systematic disrepect toward religion

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  • Hospitality SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Why does everyone have so much confidence in medicine? Where are all the healthy people? Almost everyone I know is on some kind of medication. Most of the health problems people suffer from would disappear if they ate like their pioneer ancestors ate. Dollar sandwiches, cheap pizza, soda pop, and other fast food is creating the sickest, fattest, dumbest population in history. But, gotta keep those patients coming. Funny how the same big investors in healthcare are also invested big in food production and in the pharaceutical industry. And the same people who work at the FDA regularly swap back and forth to Monsanto, who claims they have to feed the world. The FDA gets a failing grade. And so does most of the healthcare industry. Cardiologists have got it right, virtually putting the thoracic surgeons out of work. And emergency room doctors are really good. But any doctor who says "eat right" can expect to be thrown out of the industry. We are not seeing good results with today's medical care overall. Proper lifestyles and eating should put the whole industry out of business. I can't see that happening.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    JSB wrote:

    "It's not just religion that is being disrespected. It is the indiscriminate taking of innocent human life that shows disrespect for fellow human beings. I wonder how many people who are pro abortion are also anti capital punishment?"

    There is nothing indiscriminate about it. There is nothing inconsistent about a person valuing human life and having respect for fellow human beings, but supporting a fellow human beings' right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy (at a point that does not qualify as "human life" at all).

    And there is nothing inconsistent about valuing human life AND supporting Roe vs Wade, yet also supporting capital punishment (which is not about ending "innocent" human life at all).

    Only people who operate according to simple-minded, vague, abstract "principles" that completely ignore reality, diversity of opinion, and subtle nuances of situations, see contradictions that are not there.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 10, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    It's not just religion that is being disrespected. It is the indiscriminate taking of innocent human life that shows disrespect for fellow human beings. I wonder how many people who are pro abortion are also anti capital punishment?

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Feb. 9, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    The Court held that the First Amendment's protection of the "free exercise" of religion does not allow a person to use a religious motivation as a reason not to obey such generally applicable laws. "To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself." Thus, the Court had held that religious beliefs did not excuse people from complying with laws forbidding polygamy, child labor laws…and laws requiring the payment of taxes, among others.

    The quote in the above was by none other than Antonin Scalia, so it would appear that the ACA (a generally applicable law) is on safe ground, and that all this hot air about "religious liberty" is just that.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    "Compare N. Korea with S. Korea or the Former E. Germany to W. Germany! But Americans have changed, 47% want free stuff, paid for by others so we now have shifted from capitalism to socialism"

    Uh. . . Mountanman, both Germany and South Korea are much more of socialist countries then we are. Both have true socialized medicine and other features that make them more socialist then us. Strange you would use socialist countries to criticize socialism. But, yes, Germany's socialized medical system is much better then ours.

    "Congress passing a law requiring religious organizations to provide insurance to prevent birth is a law against establishments of religion. It infringes on the 1st Amendment"

    Well then thank goodness nobody is doing this, Richards.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 9, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    The only acceptable means of birth control according to Catholic leaders, whether you're married or not, is abstinence. This has nothing to do with promiscuity.

    As an LDS member i don't think my tax dollars should subsidize coffee and tea drinkers. My Jewish friend doesn't think people receiving foodstamps should be able to buy pork products. My Hindu friend doesn't want his tax dollars to subsidize beef products and my Seventh-Day-Adventist friend wants his tax dollars to be restricted to a vegetarian diet. DN is right. There is just a huge disrespect and war against religion.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 9, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    @Mountanman. The USA is a long ways from being a Socialist Nation. Of course we have social programs, but that is not the same as a Socialist National Government. Some people seem to think that any government rule of order over their lives infringes on their freedom and is socialism, or worse. It is just not true.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 9, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    @ Skeptic. Super capitalism versus what? Super socialism? Not sure what you mean but where ever the line between capitalism and socialism is, we crossed it big time and we are ow spending our grandchildren's future tying to fund it.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    @Midwest Mom

    Employers are not blocking anything, you are free to pursue any family planing on your own and your dime.

    They just do not want to be FORCED to pay something violates their constitutional rights.

    And they are the ones paying.

    "If they really believed in freedom, then they would proactively protect the rights of those with whom they disagree, not just those who talk, look and believe as they do."

    So would the democrats and the liberals.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Feb. 9, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Employers blocking employee access to family planning makes the case for systematic disrespect for worker's rights.

    I find it more than ironic that the GOP is all about individual rights and freedom of religion, until the rights belong to labor and the religion is non-Christian.

    If they really believed in freedom, then they would proactively protect the rights of those with whom they disagree, not just those who talk, look and believe as they do.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 9, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    @Mountanman. There is a major distinction between Capitalism and Super Capitalism, and that is the rub. Free enterprise and entrepreneurship is supported by capitalism and most other isms, but it is stifled by Super Capitalism

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    @IJ
    "Could someone please explain to me why the government should be allowed to force employers to pay for others promiscuity?
    "

    They really aren't even paying any more than they are already paying anyway for health insurance because insurance companies shell out more for the care of mother/baby than they do for birth control.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

    Congress passing a law requiring religious organizations to provide insurance to prevent birth is a law against establishments of religion. It infringes on the 1st Amendment. Obama, our Constitutional Expert, seems to think that promoting and then signing a bill that patently infringes on the 1st Amendment is within his authority, notwithstanding the fact that he took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies. The fact the so many people support his disdain of the Constitution shows how contempt for law in today's America has trumped law and order.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Doesn't contraception eliminate the need for abortion by preventing a few cells from turning into a fetus? That doesn't sound like such a bad thing.

    Those who oppose contraception apparently don't like the God of the Bible, who often authorized the termination of unborn life. (See passages on the putting to death of adulteress women, some of whom would have been pregnant; the command to slay all people in certain cities, including pregnant women; the use of bitter water in Numbers 5 to induce an abortion.)

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    @ Joe Blow. Capitalism has produced the highest standard of living the world has ever seen because it does not restrict creativity and encourages inventions, progress and entrepreneurialism. Capitalism has a built in incentive; opportunity to profit from your labor, your investments and your creativity. Liberalism defeats all of that and one only has to study history to see it over and over again. Compare N. Korea with S. Korea or the Former E. Germany to W. Germany! But Americans have changed, 47% want free stuff, paid for by others so we now have shifted from capitalism to socialism and we will find it is unsustainable as it always has been and always will be. Socialism does wins elections, at least for a time!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Nothing in the requirements for a business operation would relegate a business or it’s owner to “second-class status” and as for the “conscience rights of business owners”, freedom of religion requires, even demands, that the rules for business operation “ignore conscience rights”.

    Business operations exist to serve the general public. The use of a business operation to further a religious dogma must not be allowed to override that purpose. A business operation, through it business organization and activities, has an economic control over it’s employees and customers. That control, when used to promote and enforce a religious dogma, denies the employee or the customer their personal religious freedom.

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Lets vote on it.All in favor of promiscuous sex can pay for extra the portion of Obamcare that goes to abortions and contraception. While those who believe in abstention and life do not pay the surcharge.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 9, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Strictly speaking, Obamacare/ACA does not provide direct federal funding for abortion, except in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother, the same rules that now apply to Medicaid coverage for low-income persons and to the insurance available to federal workers and military families. In fact, the new law states specifically that federal funds are not to be used for coverage of any other kinds of abortions, and that only premium dollars paid by individuals out of their own pockets may be used to pay for coverage of other kinds of abortions.

    Furthermore, the law allows states to prohibit policies sold on their exchanges from covering abortions, with the same exceptions. And it requires that at least one plan in state exchanges not include abortion coverage beyond federal limitations.

    The emergency contraception--Plan B and Ella-- are used to prevent ovulation. They are not abortifacients. RU-486, classified as an abortifacient is not covered nor mandated under Obamacare.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 9, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    In "survival of the fittest" just like capitalism, the strongest will overtake and eventually stamp out the weaker. In nature, it is usually for the good. Capitalism, left completely unchecked will usually lead to monopolies, which in turn are bad for everyone.

    Secondly, advocating a "womans right to choose" and being pro abortion are two very different things.

    I know lots of people (even 50+% of self proclaimed Republicans) favor a womans right to choose. I know very few who are pro-abortion.

    The GOP party platform seeks to make Abortion illegal even in cases of rape or incest.
    That is a hard pill to swallow for a rape victim.

    Most are not in line with the GOP platform, even among Republicans.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    It is ignoble to not help prevent unwanted pregnancies and then to rail against the social costs (taxes) to support the poverty of unwanted and troubled children and their mothers/fathers who receive public assistance paid with tax dollars (welfare payments). The lack of prevention increases the need for tax assisted family social help. It is that simple. Too many people want freedom of their religious believes, but the want others to pay for them.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    No. The men aren't gone after the act.

    All the president has to do is make contraception free from the government. If he wants it paid for for people, the government should pay for it.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    For many people, including several commentators above, that obnoxious first amendment keeps getting in the way that states that congress can not enact laws that infringe on religious liberty - even if some don't like that religious liberty or think that religion is obnoxious or worse. Why don't you start up a move to repeal the first amendment if you are so upset about the constitutional protections given to religion? In the meantime, this administration and the federal government are clearly overstepping their bounds by trouncing religious liberty.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    @ Joe Blow. It is ironic that liberals espouse Charles Darwin's survival of the fittest and reject capitalism, which is economic survival of the fittest and they provide massive entitlements for those who are not "fit" from those who are successful in economic evolution. Liberals believe men evolved from monkeys and conservatives believe in intelligent design. Thus liberalism is a substitute religion for a creating God. I know tons of liberals who are in favor of abortions. Did you listen to the rhetoric during the Democratic convention and the so called "war on women" label put upon anyone who is pro life?

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Mountanman: Yeah, right, that's what all us liberals want. So do we now just lump all liberals together and say they think the same? And then lump all righties together and say they think the same? Give us a break!

    @IJ: I would agree with you except for one fatal flaw: It's only the woman who has to stand accountable for the act. The men who also perpetrate this promiscuity are nowhere to be found after the fact. Give us one good reason why it's okay for the man - without which there would be no fertilization of the egg and therefore no issue - to engage in this activity without any public outcry, but the woman takes the blame from all this just because the fetus happens to have to grow in her body!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Religion disrespects individual freedom by trying to supersede it with the imposition of its' own need for freedom. This is fundamentally wrong in America.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    " Abortion is their sacrament, Charles Darwin and Karl Marx are their apostles "

    More over-the-top rhetoric.

    Making abortion legal certainly is a democratic ideology. However, I know of no one who is in favor of Abortion.

    And, ohhh. Charles Darwin. A renowned scientist. Do you actually take issue with the "survival of the fittest" idea or that plants and animals evolve?

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    Could someone please explain to me why the government should be allowed to force employers to pay for others promiscuity?

    Contraception & Abortion: It seems to me that we have lost sight of individual accountability. If you want to get involved in the act, you should be responsible for the outcome. Isn't that reasonable?

    If I choose to speed, isn't is reasonable that I should pay for the ticket? Or is the government going to step in a pay for that also?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 9, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    To liberals, big government IS their religion! Abortion is their sacrament, Charles Darwin and Karl Marx are their apostles and rabid environmentalism and "social justice" (communism light) are their doctrines. Thus they attack, disrespect and ridicule the religious faith of all others while they proselyte from the highest offices in the land. Beware this religion, it destroys your freedoms, your liberties, your property, your families, the culture of our country and our spirits. It's ultimate goal is control, dependency, power and dominance by compulsion and brought about by fundamentally transforming America. Perhaps it is already too late.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 1:20 a.m.

    No religious disrespect about male birth control.

    And I can go into any gas station for that.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    If religion is being disrespected... it is only getting what it deserves.