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Published: Friday, Feb. 8 2013 12:40 p.m. MST

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Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ mussingaround

I understand that. However I don't think it's fair to completely disregard the 'disadvantages' that come with joining the PAC-12; namely the increase in competition. Utah clearly was not ready, especially depth wise, to be a contender in the PAC-12.

Personally, I'm excited to see Utah grow and 'hopefully' take advantage of this great new opportunity. The same can be said of the Cougs. BYU is off on an exciting new road as well and I think we are going to see what they are made of next season. They are going to be tested like never before.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

PP & musingaround,

You guys need to pay attention ... it was me who wrote the BCS ranking reply to PP, not Naval Vet.

In response to your responses ... first of all PP, you wrote this: "The same kind of thing happened to BYU in 2006." Yet after I responded and clearly spoke of 2006 just as you did, you then wrote; "BYU finished 5th in the last poll of the season in 96 and after the bowl games was still 5th (you really should do some research before you go on an emotion filled tirade)."

Perhaps you should concentrate on what you write, and work on your own reading skills before telling someone else they're on an emotion filled tirade. Apology accepted.

As for the Coaches Poll being the "final BCS rankings" ... WRONG. The Coaches poll and Harris poll are simply two components of the BCS rankings. So because they don't have a final BCS poll we have no way of knowing what the final BCS rankings would be. This is exactly why experts most often refer to the AP poll when all's said and done.

PP
Eagle Mountain, UT

Moto - 2006 - typo - sorry - also, I was responding to more than just sailor boy but he was the one goin off on the "emotion filled rant".

As for the final rankings - wrong!!!! The Harris and Coaches are 1/2 of the BCS so their final numbers are indeed as official as it gets. For all the arguing you do about how awesome the BCS is you are sure quick to abandon it when the AP picked you second. So good for you, you were second in the AP, the poll that does not even matter any more - unless they pick a different team for the national champion. They didn't. So you were AP-2, Coaches-6, Harris-7. All 3 polls have similar status but only 2 have any bearing on the national chanpionship that we recognise these days. It is pretty lame to pretend otherwise. Utah had a great team that year but there were not 2nd and obviously not that close to a national championship. In fact they were about as close as WSU was with Leaf. Hmmm...

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

motorbike

"As for the Coaches Poll being the "final BCS rankings" ... WRONG. The Coaches poll and Harris poll are simply two components of the BCS rankings. So because they don't have a final BCS poll we have no way of knowing what the final BCS rankings would be. This is exactly why experts most often refer to the AP poll when all's said and done."

WRONG!!!

The AFCA National Championship Trophy (Coaches' Trophy) is the trophy awarded by the American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) to the winner of college football's BCS National Championship Game.

Without finishing #1 in the Coaches Poll, the BCS championship game winner WOULD NOT be the BCS national champion. That's why coaches are REQUIRED to vote the winner of the BCS championship game #1. The Coaches Poll IS the defacto final BCS poll, whether you want to admit it or not.

In Utah's best season ever, the Utes finished a distant #2 AP, #4 Coaches, and #5 Sagarin.

After all of their BCS chest-beating, it's laughable that Utah fans choose to ignore the poll that officially crowns the BCS National Champion, in favor of the poll that has nothing to do with the BCS.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

PP:

"BYU finished 5th in the last poll of the season in 96 and after the bowl games was still 5th (you really should do some research before you go on an emotion filled tirade)."

The reason the Y stayed at #5 back in '96 after eking past KSU in the Cotton Bowl was because, there was nowhere for them to move up. After #4 OSU (10-1) beat #2 ASU (11-0) in the Rose Bowl, and #3 Florida (11-1) beat #1 Florida St. (11-0) in the Sugar, Florida moved up to #1 and Ohio St. moved up to #2. FSU dropped to #3, and ASU to #4. All teams finished with only 1 loss, so a 1-loss WAC team wasn't going to overtake them.

"...you finished 6th and after your big wins you were still 6th. Amazing. By the way, the AP is a very prestigious poll but has no BCS credibility."

The AP felt the BCS poll was compromised. THAT's why they pulled out. It isn't that they have no credibility. It's that they don't respect the credibility of of the BCS.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

PP:

And by the way...the Final BCS poll isn't a final poll in the same respects as the AP and Coaches. The AP and Coaches polls are designed to determine each team's position throughout the entire football season. The Final BCS poll is only designed to determine who will play in the BCS bowls. You really should do some research before assuming you could correct others.

mussingaround:

"If you're going correct someone, you should at least use truthful information, rather than misinformation."

And if YOU plan on correcting someone, you should at least know who you're talking to. Typical hypocritical coug.

"...when it comes to citing their final rankings in 2004 and 2008, they completely ignore the Coaches Poll...Gotta laugh at the inconsistency."

And I have to laugh at YOURS. How can we completely ignore the Coaches poll, while at the same time being inconsistent. If we always ignore it, then we ARE being consistent.

TheNun
Granstville, UT

It is so entertaining to read all of the hype the cougar nation tries to bring to the table about the final rankings for byu in the magical year of 1984 and again in '96.

the thing the cougs don't realize is latest accomplishments the Utes have made, in terms of national rankings, were all completed in THIS century, while the coogs claim-to-fame happended decades ago.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@TwoForFlinching "So you're trying to mock Utah for being in a better conference, bringing in a better recruiting class, AND for dominating BYU on the field for the past decade?"

No, I was mocking the Utah 'fans' who come on to BYU boards stomping their feet and trying to get us to think that U are relevant. The mere fact that U 'fans' are constantly swarming BYU boards and use beating BYU as their only metric of success tells me all I need to know about Utah and their relevance compared to BYU.

The only shot I took at Utah was the fact that U currently run your football facilities out of a trailer park (even U should find that hilarious).

Moreover, Colorado is in a better conference, had a better recruiting class, and has dominated BYU...am I supposed to think they're relevant, or care about them?

Point is, I don't care about Utah, and certainly not enough to go comment on their boards.

BYU is, and always will be, the dominant program in the state. Using BYU as your measuring stick just proves that.

Go Cougars!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@TwoForFlinching

As for your "change" comments (which were very cute), what exactly has changed?

Since the LaVell era, the ONLY thing that has mattered to Utah fans is if they beat BYU. U could go 5-7, miss out on a bowl game, be ranked in the bottom third of your conference and if U beat BYU, none of that would matter.

Well, guess what? The fact that there are now 150 comments on this board, half of them by whiny Utah fans, just proves that nothing's changed. U have moved on to a 'better conference', with 'better recruiting classes', but the most important thing to U?

U have 'dominated' BYU for the past decade.

So like I said, even though U have supposedly left a now "irrelevant" BYU behind, here U all are, stomping your feet and constantly using the Cougars as your measuring stick.

That just has little brother written all over it.

Go Cougars!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

How many times had YOUR little brother beaten YOU? 72.7% of the time? Because that's how many times Utah sunk your hype over the past 11 seasons.

When I was growing up, "big brother" dominated lil' bro.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Truecoug

It is far more important for Utah to compete in, and win, conf. games than it is to beat BYU. Utah could lose to BYU and it would still, theoretically, have a shot to play in the Rose Bowl. That makes the BYU game much less important than it traditionally has been.

The reason Utah and BYU fans are still 'clashing' is because they are the only two relevant teams for 500 miles in any direction... The fact that the two respective fan bases are blended and live with each other in the same cities and neighborhoods means that the two teams are going to be compared. That is just the nature of college football, especially given the history between the two. And don't be naive enough to think that the comparisons only go one way. You want to see what a real 'little brother' looks like? Look no further than Logan.

scott
Alpine, UT

Naval Vet

Nice dodge, but your supposed "rebuttal" doesn't even address the pertinent topic:

Utah fans beat their chests about their BCS Bowls, but don't even use the defacto final BCS poll, the Coaches Poll, when citing Utah's final rankings.

This statement though, is classic Naval Vet obfuscation:

"It isn't that they [the AP Poll] have no credibility. It's that they don't respect the credibility of the BCS."

The credibility of the very poll/ranking that gave the Utes their ticket into the 2004 and 2008 BCS bowls, is questioned by the poll Utah fans always cite.

Gotta laugh at the incongruity.

It's even more laughable, that you're so supportive of the credibility of the AP Poll when comes to Utah's 2004 and 2008 rankings, but then question the credibility of the exact same poll when it comes to the legitimacy of BYU's 1984 National Championship and BYU's 1996 #5 final ranking.

You're so obsessed with hating BYU and trying to minimize every BYU accomplishment, that you've become blind to your own lack of reason.

Lifetime AP Top 25 Finishes

BYU 17 > Utah 5

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@3grandslams

In reply to my post, you wrote "Re:Go Red back this up. It's fourth and 18 and Hariline is still open."

Uh, okay, I guess I can respond to your "Hariline" comment. Here goes:

Kruger is still open, Burton is still unblocked, 54-10, 48-24, 3 in a row, last year's "doink" off the goal post, 56-34-4, Hall has just completed his 5th pass to a Ute defender, etc.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "How many times had YOUR little brother beaten YOU? 72.7% of the time? Because that's how many times Utah sunk your hype over the past 11 seasons."

And yet here U are, proving my point. If U are so relevant, and BYU is not, then Y are U here? Y do U use beating your 'irrelevant little brother' as your measuring stick for success?

Your insecurity is showing Naval Vet.

By the way, to your opinion that the 'better team' won last fall. BYU beat USU 6-3 in Provo last year and I certainly do not think that BYU was a better team than the Aggies. Just like I certainly don't think that Colorado was a better team than Utah in 2011, or that Utah was a better team than BYU last year.

Crazy stuff happens. BYU outscored Utah's offense 21-17. The only thing Utah proved they were better at was picking up a botched snap by the Cougars and returning it for a TD (that, and rushing the field THREE times for a win over their "irrelevant little brother"...that was just hilarious!).

But to each his own.

Go Cougars!

Christine B. Hedgefog
Meridian, ID

@GoRed, you forgot to add "And we stormed the field 3 times to let you know how insignificant our game with you was" or "all of this accomplishment and we still finished 5-7 and in competition for the PAC basement" or "we much prefer our new rivalry with Colorado in the annual Toilet Bowl"

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

gored

Beck to Harline was truly one of the all-time great finishes to a BYU-Utah football game.

To have witnessed that play live from the 6th row of the Crimson Club and listen to the entire section go from frenzied screaming to deathly silence, except for four BYU fans standing in the middle of a sea of crimson, was a dream come true blue.

4th and 18, Hall to George, the doink, and Doman's last-minute drive were are memorable in their own way, but nothing tops ripping the heart out of an entire stadium of crimson-clad fans the way Beck and Harline did that day.

derecha
Central, UT

You name me one team that has a "WAC" schedule like BYU's 2013 schedule? This next year schedule is tougher than Utah's.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ derecha

That has yet to be determined, but Utah's schedule will probably be tougher.

Judging each schedule by where each team finished ranked (per Sagarin) this last season: Utah's avg. opponent finished ranked 53.8. BYU's opponents avg. is 66.3.

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