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Published: Friday, Feb. 8 2013 12:40 p.m. MST

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Wiscougarfan:

"I do say that the fact that you only refer to Rivals when considering recruiting say a lot about your objectivity. I don't believe that anyone that dismisses ESPN and scout outright can be taken seriously."

Rivals is the most accurate rating service. That's why I only refer to them.

Rivals ranked Utah #42. WSU was #52.

ESPN ranked Utah #48. WSU was #58.

24/7sports ranked Utah #52. WSU was #56.

Essentially, the ONLY rating service that ranked WSU ahead of the U was Scout (at #39 and $47 respectively). And YOU're calling out MY objectivity? Typical hypocritical coug.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

Uteology

"So true, if this doesn't scream "obsession with BYU" I don't know what does:"

Hill canceling the rivalry. - Hill only took a 2-year hiatus from the rivalry and Utah fans will still be spamming every BYU football article comparing Utah to BYU even during 2014 and 2015 - little brother syndrome at its most blatant

Witt [sic] rejecting BYU's HC offer. - Whit simply chose to remain with a program that Urban had elevated to its highest point

ARod accepting BYU's coaching offer, only to reject it 24 hours later. - ARod is a good coach that can't seem to make up his mind where he wants to be

NONE of your examples even comes close to disproving the complete obsession with BYU of the coaches, players, and fans of the U

Prove me wrong and cite one single BYU football article next season that has at least 10 comments from BYU fans and is devoid of comments from Utah fans - you and I both know that's NEVER going to happen. I'll give you the entire season to come up with the article.

uteBusters
Park City, UT

Navel Vet

Utah fans arguing about whether Utah's recruiting class ranks ahead or behind a team that's only won 12 games in the last 5 years simply demonstrates how far down the pecking order the Utes really are in the PAC 12.

Jon Wilner, PAC 12 and Bay Area Sports Columnist cites these rankings.

Scout’s final national rankings:

5. UCLA
13. Washington
17. Oregon
18. USC
27. Arizona
28. Cal
30. Arizona State
38. Washington State
41. Oregon State
47. Utah
57. Stanford
66. Colorado

Regardless of what hairs U split to feel good about yourselves, it's obvious that the Utes have a looooong way to go just to become competitive in the PAC 12, let alone have any chance at a division title.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

Ute 'fans' are so cute. They come on to these boards, citing rankings and conference affiliation as reasons that they are more relevant than their 'irrelevant little brother down south', and yet their only metric for on-the-field success is beating that 'irrelevant brother down south'.

It doesn't get much more little-brotherish than that (well, that, and your trailer-park football facilities).

The fact that BYU is, and always will be, the dominant football team in the state is made all the more evident by the fact that half of the posts on BYU boards come from Utah 'fans' who are constantly stomping their feet, comparing themselves to their big brother BYU, and trying to make us feel U are now relevant since U are in the PAC 12.

Your whining is hilarious and adorable. I know U are all in full meltdown mode since U failed to reach a bowl game for the first time in 9 years, finished last season with a losing record, and that U now have to replace 90% of your offense in John White IV and almost your entire D-line, but your 'frantic and emotional' posts are still hilarious.

Go Cougars!

PP
Eagle Mountain, UT

NavelVet - I had to go back and re-read my post that has you so worked up. I was specifically looking for anything emotional in it. It is a sad reality of the state of Utah football that a few well founded and unemotional comments gets you so wroked up. Let me reiterate -Utah has less respect in the PAC than WSU -Their historical success is pretty equal (of course for U fans history starts in 2002.) I am not seeing the emotion in either of those statements, but clearly the cold hard truth hit a nerve with you.

Another truth (obvious since we are all here debating this) the U has far more in comon with WSU than they do with BYU. All those historical comparisons people keep posting are not even within shouting distance of BYUs resume. But hey... you had 2 great seasons. They were both good enough to finish in 6th place (if you are going to clain BCS greatness then you have to accept BCS results). The same kind of thing happened to BYU in 2006.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

PP:

You didn't need to re-read your entire post to see your display of frantic emotion. I quoted it in the very post you're responding to. I led with it. You said, "the truth is" when that wasn't the "truth". It was a "wish". You wanted it to be true. You needed it to be true. It "sounded" good, and "felt good" to say. It was an "emotional" response.

The "frantic" part stemmed from that overwhelming, foreboding trepidation upon seeing how WAC-ish and mid-majorey your latest recruiting class was.

Carson
Provo, UT

PP sez,

-- dont forget...were not in the same league anymore, so youre just not that important to us --

Yet navy boy incessantly posts on every BYU article. Dont tell me you love me SHOW me you love me LOL.

PP: Thank you for pointing out just how much love that Ducky & Sammy have for us Utes! Although most of us were already aware of that because of their postings on every Ute article LOL.

Black&Blue
St George, Utah

Naval vet,
You have WAY too much time on your hands.
You sure like using the words "frantic" and "emotional" but what could be more frantic and emotional then spending your time and energy obsessively commenting on articles highlighting a team you very clearly don't care for?
Move on buddy! Supposedly the U has left BYU in the rear view. But the fans just can't leave the "TDS" alone.

I'm excited to have Anae back. Hopefully his 2 years in Arizona will prove useful and allow him to turn around the anemic offensive production we've suffered through the past 3 years.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

PP

"But hey... you had 2 great seasons. They were both good enough to finish in 6th place (if you are going to clain BCS greatness then you have to accept BCS results). The same kind of thing happened to BYU in 2006."
____________

First of all, the number 6 BCS rankings for Utah were prior to their bowl wins ... but nice attempt to spin things. The BCS crowns a champion but doesn't rework their rankings after the bowl games, which is why the AP poll is widely accepted as the final rankings. The U finished 4th in 2004-05 and 2nd in 2008-09.

As for the last part of your comment; "the same kind of thing happened to BYU in 2006".

So by "same thing" you're saying a final ranking of 20th in the BCS is the same thing as 6th (twice)?

Anyway, go with your final BCS rankings if you'd like. I'll join the rest of America in recognizing that BYU finished 16th in 2006, just as Utah finished 4th and 2nd in 2004 and 2008.

"same thing" ... wow that was desperate.

PP
Eagle Mountain, UT

Navy Boy - So if I use the term "The Truth" I am being frantic and emotional? LOL And by the way - it is the truth. But again I am sure your version of reality starts in 2004.

Carson - Who are Sammy and Ducky?

The best part about this whole thing is how worked up the U "fans" are getting about a nothing comment by Bronco. Of course Kryle tried to get Anae - he needs an OC and Anae is a good one. I really hope he gets Erickson. What a train wreck that would be.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

PP:

It is "frantic and emotional" if you use the word "truth" when it isn't the truth, but rather a "wish".

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ truecoug1

So you're trying to mock Utah for being in a better conference, bringing in a better recruiting class, AND for dominating BYU on the field for the past decade? And you don't stop there, you then go on to make fun of Utah for building what will soon be the nicest football facility in this state.

Missing a bowl game once every nine years is not a slam. Even the greatest programs miss bowl games every once in a while. Alabama missed going to a bowl in 2002 and 2003. They seemed to recover just fine.

Keep telling yourself that BYU will 'always' be the best team in this state.

'By belief in absolutes you deny all movement, evolutionary or otherwise. When change occurs, your universe collapses'

'A mature person is one who is does not think only in absolutes, who is able to be objective even when deeply stirred emotionally, who has learned that there is both good and bad in all people and all things, and who walks humbly and deals charitably'

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Definition of FRANTIC

1
a archaic : mentally deranged
b : emotionally out of control
2
: marked by fast and nervous, disordered, or anxiety-driven activity
Definition of EMOTIONAL

1
: of or relating to emotion
2
: dominated by or prone to emotion
3
: appealing to or arousing emotion
4
: markedly aroused or agitated in feeling or sensibilities

Naval, I you are wrong. Based on the definition, you would have to see the persons physical state of being to determine whether they are "frantic and emotional". It has nothing to do with lying.

BlueNtheFace
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

When will the Utah football program stop relying on a coaching pool that consists of the BYU influence? Is it hard for Kyle to step outside of our shadow and select from a national group of potential coaches?

I'm going to have to conclude that he isn't respected, for some reason or other, by the rest of the coaching world. (43-0 lead and an on-side kick?)

Go Cougars!
Go Anae!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Carson

"PP: Thank you for pointing out just how much love that Ducky & Sammy have for us Utes! Although most of us were already aware of that because of their postings on every Ute article LOL."

I had a little time this afternoon and your post helped persuade me to venture over to the UofU discussion boards. FYI, this week there were 14 articles posted in the DNews about UofU football or basketball (and that didn't involve BYU in any way). On those articles there were a total of 124 comments posted. Of those 26 (21%) came from what I consider trolls (i.e. those who post more about their rivals than they do for the team they claim to support). Of the 26 posts, 9 (35%) came from Duckhunter, the rest were mostly from monikers I didn't recognize. My conclusion... Ute fans don't have to deal with nearly as many trolls as Cougar fans do. Count yourself blessed.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Another note about "trolling". Reading through some of the discussion posts for UofU articles I was struck by how nice it was to have a discussion devoid of trolls (nearly half of the Ute articles didn't have a single post by an anti-UofU poster). Thank you to posters who take time to think through what you're writing, and for posting intelligent posts that add to the discussion (i.e. gdog3finally, CougFaninTX, moderateinmagna, and thebigsamoan).

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

alternate
Salt Lake City, UT

"This is really getting ugly. Let's all take a deep breath and try to be civil and pretend that our wives, mothers and grandmothers will be able to read all the nastiness that we are sending back forth while hiding behind our fake names and actually know who is writing all those hateful comments."

No such luck.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

navel vet

"The BCS crowns a champion but doesn't rework their rankings after the bowl games, which is why the AP poll is widely accepted as the final rankings."

If you're going correct someone, you should at least use truthful information, rather than misinformation.

The Coaches Poll is the OFFICIAL BCS Final Poll. It's poll that officially designates the winner of the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy.

Of course, Utah fans don't like using that poll because the Utes only finished 5th and 4th in the Coaches Poll.

Funny how that works.

The Utes beat the BCS drum incessantly, yet when it comes to citing their final rankings in 2004 and 2008, they completely ignore the Coaches Poll (which is used to crown the BCS champion) in favor of the AP Poll (which is completely independent of the BCS).

Gotta laugh at the inconsistency.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

2fer

"So you're trying to mock Utah for being in a better conference, bringing in a better recruiting class, AND for dominating BYU on the field for the past decade?"

No, we're mocking Utah for finishing with worse records and rankings, despite all of Utah's "advantages".

Head-to-head U dominated BYU in the first decade since the 60's, but BYU still dominates U in Top 25 finishes, something fans and media at the national level actually care about.

PP
Eagle Mountain, UT

mussingaround - dont forget the Harris poll which is the other official BCS poll. It had Utah at 7th, but I was being nice :)

Nevel Vet - BYU finished 5th in the last poll of the season in 96 and after the bowl games was still 5th (you really should do some research before you go on an emotion filled tirade). Thus the comparison - you finished 6th and after your big wins you were still 6th. Amazing. By the way, the AP is a very prestigious poll but has no BCS credibility. Therefore - if you are going to claim BCS supremacy (which you do all the time) you need to accept the BCS results. You cant have it both ways.

Basically by first post stands true, Utah is less that WSU

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