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Published: Friday, Feb. 8 2013 12:40 p.m. MST

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GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

byu "fans":

I think you need to have the rules of talking smack explained to you. It starts by your team needing to win on the football field, something you haven't done in 3 years. In fact, at last count, the Utes had won 3 in a row, 4 out of the last 5, 8 out of the last 11, and overall 56-34-4. I know of no other fan base who dishes out so freely against their rivals with nothing to back it up.

Whatever.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT
"I love being a real program, in a real conference, with real national title aspirations" Oh, man that is funny. Really brought a smile to my face. Especially the national title aspirations. This, my friends, is the definition of false hope.

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No. False hope is:

Thinking that college sports revolves around Provo.
40+ years of WAC legacy without an official conference invite.
Lame ESPN ratings.
Losing to San Jose St. on national TV. They own BYU!
Losing to Utah again.
Pathetic record against ranked teams the past several years.
Thinking that your recent bowl performance would attract viewers. When in fact Utah State got a higher rating!
Thinking you would dominate the WCC, making fun of teams playing in small gyms.
Riding the coat tails of Notre Dame in football.
Counting on Idaho, and New Mexico St to fill out your ever changing, schools backing out of, football schedules.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

gored

"As far as Anae is concerned, he's average at best."

So what you're really saying is that Brian Johnson is such a horribly pathetic OC, that Whittingham would be desperately trying to hire an "average at best" OC to replace BJ?

"Mind-boggling"?

What's really funny is the hysterical reaction from Utah fans. Bronco didn't make a big deal out of Anae being pursued by Utah. In fact, he barely mentioned it in the context of Bronco being pleased that Anae decided to return to BYU even though another school also wanted him.

Unlike the Utes and their big brother infatuation with the Cougars, BYU doesn't need comparisons with Utah to validate their program.

In a down year, BYU was still good enough to beat a Top 25 conference champion, an ACC division champion, and a conference co-champion in their bowl, good enough for Sagarin to rank the Cougars #26 in his final 2012 rankings.

With just an average offense, for BYU, the Cougars could have finished 11-1 with a BCS bowl bid.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

@gored

I think Utah fans need to start by understanding that seasons are judged in their entirety, not by a single game.

When you've mastered that very simple concept that is accepted universally by every fan not living under the crimson bubble on the hill, then we can discuss reasonably which program is better.

Here's a clue:

National Championships and Top 25 Rankings are based on what each team accomplished for the entire season.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

WACpaddled

Thinking that college sports have ever revolved around the hill.

40+ years of WAC ineptitude.
Seldom even on ESPN.
Losing to Colorado on national TV. They own Utah!
Pretending that one game makes a season.
Pathetic record at ever being ranked.
Thinking that playing in the couch potato bowl is an accomplishment
Thinking that U would even be competitive in the PAC 10.2.
Riding the coat tails of the PAC 10.2 in EVERY sport.
Counting on beating D1-AA teams and 3-win conference bottom dwellers just to stay out of the conference basement.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@ducky (A.K.A. sammy, truthmachine, swoop, etc.)

Again, you conveniently side-step the issue: Head-to-head competition. Referring to your team's recent top 25 finish is more a reflection on their being able to feast upon the lower end of the WAC. If they had played Utah's schedule, they would have been 4-8 at best, although 3-9 would be more realistic.

Utah owns your program. Period.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Re:Go Red back this up.

It's fourth and 18 and Hariline is still open.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Unlike the Utes and their big brother infatuation with the Cougars, BYU doesn't need comparisons with Utah to validate their program.

In a down year, BYU was still good enough to beat a Top 25 conference champion, an ACC division champion, and a conference co-champion in their bowl, good enough for Sagarin to rank the Cougars #26 in his final 2012 rankings.

With just an average offense, for BYU, the Cougars could have finished 11-1 with a BCS bowl bid.

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Way to stretch The Truth Machine. That ACC division champion you talk about was not the real division champion, you know that. It was handed to them thanks to schools on probation. Ok then. A 7-7 Georgia Tech = 6-6 Michigan in 84'
What is a Top 25 conference champion? There is no such thing. Yay! BYU beat San Diego St. People were more interested in the Potato Bowl and Utah St.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Uh Swoop, you do realize that BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado.
The Buffs own the Cougs.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Wiscougarfan

I disagree. Washington State has not had a winning season since 2003. In that same time frame Utah has won eight of nine bowl games (two BCS) and has only endured one losing season (and in that losing season Utah still beat Wazzu 49-6)

As for the long haul: All time Utah is 628–435–31 (.588) WSU is 500–526–45 (.488). Utah is 13-4 in bowl games (two BCS). WSU is 6-4 (1 Rose Bowl win in 1916), Utah has 24 conf. titles, WSU has 4. Utah has 8 consensus All-Americans, WSU has 5. Utah has 22 players in the NFL, and WSU has 8.

I honstly don't see much of an argument there. But then again you could also make an argument that sun revolves around the Earth and that the world is flat but, just like arguing that WSU is better than Utah, you would be wrong.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

We don't know and we'll never know what a real push is. It could have been a call from Whit to Anae to see if he was interested and ended with a quick "no thanks". Or it could have been several interviews and an offer to come on board and ended with an "I'll think about it."

What we do know is that Utah wouldn't have much of a coaching staff if it weren't for BYU. Time to end the references to Sunday School boys. U wouldn't be much without them.

I continue to be amazed at all the references to greatness becauss U are in the PAC12. Really do U enjoy being in the PAC12 and finishing 2nd to last in football and last in baseball, M basketball and W basketball?

For those of U who work for a living, how many employees survive who always finish last?

Go out and figure out how to win instead of being content because U are in the PAC12. Right now it's looking like 2004 and 2008 were an anomaly.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Duck and sportsfan,

I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't match yours, I call it the way I see it. Bronco's making a poorly veiled cheap shot at Utah, He can't beat them on the field, he can't out recruit them, so he has to hang his hat on something. In this case he chose to make a bigger deal out of the effort that Utah made to contact Anae. I know for a fact that Anae never got an offer from Whittingham, and they were talking before Christmas. But Bronco has to spin something positive out of the fact that Utah and Whittingham have been beating him like circus monkies, so he creates a victory stating Utah was falling all over themselves to get Anae trying so hard at the last minute to pry him from the clutches of BYU. It's really laughable. It's right up there with his spin that its o.k. that BYU doesn't send many players to the NFL, because who would want that life anyway. It's just classic Bronco spin.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

anti BCS

Why would Anae interview for a job he wasn't interested in?

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Who said he was offered an interview by Utah? Unless a "strong push" means he was.

I would argue a "strong push" is what ARod and Witt did before rejecting BYU.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

As utah "fans" like to tell us all of the time, playing in the pac12 is not the same as playing in the wac/mwc. So by utah "fan" standards wsu's 500-526-45 record is far more impressive than utah's 628-435-31 record. They cannot even be compared can they? utah got its record playing in inferior conferences against inferior teams, whereas wsu played in the mighty pac8-10-12 to establish their record.

As for the bowls, well once again wsu played in the mighty pac whatever and therefor it was harder to have winning records and reach bowl games wereas utah was playing the sister's of the poor to pad its schedule and reach mostly insignificant and poorly watched bowl games.

Based on utah "fan" standards nothing utah has done can even remotely be compared to what wsu has done, utah's level of competition was just to inferior and to mid majory for the last 100 years to be favorably compared to a program as accomplished as one from the mighty pac8-10-12

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

So again, bronco is bragging about getting the guy he fired two years ago, over Utah? Two years ago Anae had to reapply for his job and didn't get it. Now he's the savior of the program? I guess bronco has to invent battles to win. Enjoy the little things coach.

So in two years when they bring Doman back will we hear how bad Utah wanted him?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@pocy

"I know for a fact that Anae never got an offer from Whittingham, and they were talking before Christmas."

Really? How can you "know for a fact"? The answer is you don't "know for a fact", you don't "know" at all.

As for Bronco "can't beat them on the field", well, his record is 3-5, sounds to me like he can, and has, beaten them on the field, multiple times. before kyle had his little run bronco had a run of his own, it will switch around again.

The thing I find the most interesting about utah "fans" is that you all seem to think that some "new order" has been established that will never again change. That utah will always beat BYU, that utah has somehow changed the way of things for ever and ever. How quickly you forget that for several decades utah couldn't beat BYU at all, ever. Even now, with utah winning most of the games there is no domination of that magnitude.

Then of course there is the fact that utah is a losing program with no bowl game and well, it is an interesting thing to witness.

LOL!

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

"Who said he was offered an interview by Utah?"

motorbike said so

"The real story, whether people want to believe it or not, is this:

Whittingham did indeed interview Anae, more than once I might add..."

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pocyUte

"Bronco's making a poorly veiled cheap shot at Utah..."

Bronco is simply reporting the truth; Utah fans are simply throwing a hissy fit because they're embarrassed that it's now become public knowledge that Anae wasn't interested in nursemaiding Kyle's failed experiment.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Ducky

Then of course there is the fact that utah is a losing program with no bowl game and well, it is an interesting thing to witness.

LOL!

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No the interesting thing to witness is the fact that BYU can't even beat a BAD Utah team (see 2012).

An average Utah team blows away a top 25 BYU @LES (see 54-10).

And great Utah team's roll BYU over to undefeated top 5 seasons (see BCS Busters I and IV).

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

I think your argument has some valid points. But if we are to compare programs over a long period of time, all-time records are the only thing we really have to compare the two programs. But like you pointed out, it is somewhat of a apples to oranges comparison due to the differences in competition.

If we are to compare the programs since they've been in the same conference: Utah is 13-12 (7-11 conf.) with a bowl win. WSU is 7-17 (3-15 conf.) w/ no bowls appearances. Utah also holds a 2-0 record over WSU since joining the PAC. Obviously the edge still goes to Utah. I think it is also worth noting that Utah has still yet to receive a full revenue share and the majority of players on the field were recruited during Utah's time in the MWC.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

"No the interesting thing to witness is the fact that BYU can't even beat a BAD Utah team (see 2012)."

Whit has become an expert at losing to BAD teams:

LOST to Colorado(3-10)
SHUT OUT by UNLV(2-10)

Bronco has NEVER lost to a conference bottom dweller - New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV and Colorado; Kyle lost to all of them, some more than once.

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