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Utah Utes basketball: Runnin' Utes fall to last-place Beavers

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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    @byufan1983

    I stand corrected. The scheule between the two schools is comporable. Per RPI, BYUs ranks 67 and Utah's 83. By year end Utahs schedule will rank higher. It means nothing when you can't win games though. My mistake guy.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    No MIldred...BYU is better than utah every year BECAUSE of head to head!

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    Last place...get used to it!

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Your record is far better than ours, but we have played a tougher schedule."

    Sorry but did you see your non-conference schedule? No. U have not played a tougher schedule than BYU. Anyone can see that.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    At least you broke 50.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    It's almost to the point where it isn't even fun to mock utah "fans" about it anymore. I'm still gonna mock them anyway.

    LOL!

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    BYU is better than Utah every year regardless of head to head.

    Everyone knows that.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 7, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Sorry, we can't help you if you're so unreasonable that you can't accept that an 8-5 team is still better than a 3-10 team regardless of the results of their head to head match up.

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    ImaCaMan

    I've been watching Utah basketball since the early 80's, and frankly, Larry Krystkoviak is a decent coach, but he's not even close to the level of the best coaches in the PAC 12.

    Urban Meyer has proven himself to be a great coach. He took Ron McBride's recruits and elevated them to the next level, then left the cupboard bare as he used Utah for a stepping stone. Meyer arrived at Utah after proving himself a capable coach by engineering one of the greatest turnarounds in the NCAA football history in his first season at Bowl Green (from 2-9 in 2000 to 8-3 in 2001) and then following that up with a 9–3 season his second year.

    Krystkoviak had a 42-20 record during his 2-year coaching tenure at Montana and got into the NCAA by virtue of winning the Big Sky tournament both seasons. Decent, but hardly PAC 12 caliber. Larry had a 31-69 in 1 1/4 seasons coaching in the NBA. He's 16-37 so far at Utah. The rebuilding process will indeed take some time, a loooong time, at the current pace.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 7, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    The overall records speak for themselves; you just can't admit that your whole premise of judging an entire season based on a single head-to-head game is fundamentally flawed.

    It has nothing to do with "manning up"; it has everything to do statistically provable facts:

    smaller sample size = larger margin of error
    larger sample size = smaller margin of error

    Texas A&M beat Alabama

    Alabama won the National Championship

    Nobody cares who won the head-to-head; the polls, rankings, and virtually everybody agrees that Alabama was the better team.

    You do realize, don't you, that Sagarin includes SOS in his ranking formula?

    #13 Ohio State(13-0) had a SOS of #60, only slightly higher than #26 BYU(8-5) at #63, and not significantly lower than #61 Utah at #41. BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012, and beat one. Utah played TWO Top 25 teams and lost to both.

    AP/Coaches/Sagarin

    #1/#1/#1 Alabama(13-1) > #5/#5/#3 Texas A&M(11-2)

    #26 BYU(8-5) > #61 Utah(5-7)

    That's just the way it is; live with it.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    Feb. 7, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    Re: UtahUte91

    Did you just start watching U of U basketball last year? BYU fans laughed and said the same thing about Urban Meyer. How did that turn out?

    What an uninformed post. No informed BB fan expected any short-term significant results. The rebuilding program will take time and I believe Coach K is putting a solid foundation together.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 7, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Majerus has left the building.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 7, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    Utewannbe

    Great Spin job and a great job of playing connect the dots; even though it makes on sense at all. However the difference is, Utah fans can admit that BYU has a better basketball team; you beat us. Your record is far better than ours, but we have played a tougher schedule. However, you can't admit Utah had a better football team. You act as if the game played between the two never happend. You also act as if Utah went 1-11. It's called manning up and giving credit where credit is due. What a concept. It sure beats the spin/shell game and the alibi slant; which both seem to be your specialty.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    Tough loss.

    "Uteanonymous" showed how little he pays attention (though I have to give credit on your sample size point, you are actually right).

    1. Loveridge came off the bench because he is still trying to get better from a knee injury that kept him out of saturdays game. He probably would have been kept to 15 minutes but Lenz was just awful. Larry didn't think to himself that bringing Jordan off the bench was a good idea, he was forced to. Jordan clearly isnt right. anyone who watched the game would have seen that.

    2. To call Glen Dean (the other player who was benched) "one of utahs best players" is a stretch. Anyone who has even casually watched this team knows that TAylor has been better and the start was well earned. He absolutely abused OSU's pg and kept the Utes relatively close until the end.

    The loss is on the bigs. Usually steady, they got killed. Taht, and roberto just made everything. gotta give him credit.

  • That's A Good One Meridian, ID
    Feb. 7, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    "Wednesday night’s outcome made the Utes and Beavers co-cellar dwellers with 2-8 league records"

    Just curious, does Utah own the tie breaker with this loss?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    Uteanymous

    Good points.

    One game seldom defines an entire season. The Utes have a couple of good wins, some confidence-building close losses, and some ugly losses to some really bad teams.

    If Krystkoviak's plan was to play a pathetically weak non-conference schedule to build confidence in a rebuilding team for the conference season, it certainly hasn't paid off, at least not in the win column.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 7, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    Maybe we should stop referring to them as the "Runnin' Utes", at least until they earn the right to use that moniker.

    There's not much "Runnin'" in a team that ranks 237th in the country in scoring.

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    How many times will Chris Hill get a pass on hiring mediocre basketball coaches, before the Utes address the real source of the downfall of the Utah basketball program, an AD who seems incapable of hiring a good head basketball coach?

    Coach K seems like a good guy, but he has no track record of being a successful basketball coach at the major college level and his first two seasons at Utah haven't given us any indication that he'll ever reach that level.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Feb. 7, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    A bad team can beat a good team if the bad team has a good night and the good team has a bad night. However, when a team loses consistently to good and bad teams, you know it's bad. The Utes can't solve their problems by hiring a new coach every few years. The U sacrificed its basketball program in order to get its football program in a better conference. I hope the money makes everyone on the hill feel better, because it's not going to get better in terms of wins.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Have to agree, Utah was out hustled pretty much the whole game. The Utes simply don't have the talent to beat very many teams without giving max effort on every possession.

    Krystkoviak's plan to bring a couple of his starters off the bench was a disaster. All it did was prevent the Utes from starting the game strong and taking the fight out of the struggling Beavers early.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    This is the best Utah team in the last 4 or 5 years, but with two conference wins and only Arizona, ASU, Oregon, and OSU left on Utah's home schedule, it's looking more and more like the Utes won't exceed last season's 3 conference wins.

    Utah's 5th straight losing season is all but guaranteed now, and the seemingly never-ending rebuilding cycle at the U will continue again next season.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    So what have we learned about grading teams based on small sample sizes:

    Utah only loses at Arizona by 3, "proving" Utah is almost as good as the best team in the PAC 12.

    Utah only loses at BYU by 3, "proving" Utah is almost as good as BYU, and by extension, that BYU is as good as Arizona.

    Stanford loses at Arizona by 7, "proving" that Utah and BYU are both better than Stanford.

    Utah loses at home to Stanford by 31, "proving" that Stanford is much better than Utah.

    Utah loses at OSU by 18, "proving" that the Utes are much worse than the worst team in the PAC 12.

    hmmmmm

    So maybe using a larger sample size, 12 of 12 football games, 30 of 30 basketball games, instead of one single game head-to-head match up, to determine which teams are better isn't such a frantic and emotional idea after all.

    btw, coach small k's new starting lineup was a bust. Bringing two of his best players off the bench against the formerly worst team in the conference, simply gave the Beavers a chance to gain confidence early in the game.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 7, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    @ CougfaninTX

    No kidding. I certainly hope coack K get's it straigtened out by next year. Beat Colorado, Boise State, play Arizona and ASU down to the wire on the road; yet can't beat USC, WSU or OSU? Frustrating to say the least. Oh well, gotta keep the faith....GO UTES!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 7, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    How do U beat Colorado and Washington and lose to Oregon State?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    Every cloud has a silver lining.

    The wonderful thing about being last place is that it's a great place to begin historic runs.

    I'm glad the Utes can just put this behind them and start over again.

    Congrats for new beginnings.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 12:04 a.m.

    Defense was soft, especially off-ball and there was no hustle on rebounds or to loose balls. This team still lacks talent and if they want a chance to win they need to play with more heart. I don't know how many times they need to learn that lesson.

    Here's to hoping for a Sunday miracle.