@byufan1983I stand corrected. The scheule between the two schools is
comporable. Per RPI, BYUs ranks 67 and Utah's 83. By year end Utahs
schedule will rank higher. It means nothing when you can't win games
though. My mistake guy.
No MIldred...BYU is better than utah every year BECAUSE of head to head!
Last place...get used to it!
Spokane Ute"Your record is far better than ours, but we have
played a tougher schedule."Sorry but did you see your
non-conference schedule? No. U have not played a tougher schedule than BYU.
Anyone can see that.
At least you broke 50.
It's almost to the point where it isn't even fun to mock utah
"fans" about it anymore. I'm still gonna mock them anyway.LOL!
BYU is better than Utah every year regardless of head to head.Everyone knows that.
Spokane UteSorry, we can't help you if you're so
unreasonable that you can't accept that an 8-5 team is still better than a
3-10 team regardless of the results of their head to head match up.
ImaCaManI've been watching Utah basketball since the early
80's, and frankly, Larry Krystkoviak is a decent coach, but he's not
even close to the level of the best coaches in the PAC 12.Urban
Meyer has proven himself to be a great coach. He took Ron McBride's
recruits and elevated them to the next level, then left the cupboard bare as he
used Utah for a stepping stone. Meyer arrived at Utah after proving himself a
capable coach by engineering one of the greatest turnarounds in the NCAA
football history in his first season at Bowl Green (from 2-9 in 2000 to 8-3 in
2001) and then following that up with a 9–3 season his second year.Krystkoviak had a 42-20 record during his 2-year coaching tenure at
Montana and got into the NCAA by virtue of winning the Big Sky tournament both
seasons. Decent, but hardly PAC 12 caliber. Larry had a 31-69 in 1 1/4 seasons
coaching in the NBA. He's 16-37 so far at Utah. The rebuilding process will
indeed take some time, a loooong time, at the current pace.
Spokane UteThe overall records speak for themselves; you just
can't admit that your whole premise of judging an entire season based on a
single head-to-head game is fundamentally flawed.It has nothing to
do with "manning up"; it has everything to do statistically provable
facts: smaller sample size = larger margin of errorlarger
sample size = smaller margin of errorTexas A&M beat AlabamaAlabama won the National ChampionshipNobody cares who won
the head-to-head; the polls, rankings, and virtually everybody agrees that
Alabama was the better team. You do realize, don't you, that
Sagarin includes SOS in his ranking formula?#13 Ohio State(13-0) had
a SOS of #60, only slightly higher than #26 BYU(8-5) at #63, and not
significantly lower than #61 Utah at #41. BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012,
and beat one. Utah played TWO Top 25 teams and lost to both.AP/Coaches/Sagarin#1/#1/#1 Alabama(13-1) > #5/#5/#3 Texas
A&M(11-2)#26 BYU(8-5) > #61 Utah(5-7)That's
just the way it is; live with it.
Re: UtahUte91Did you just start watching U of U basketball last
year? BYU fans laughed and said the same thing about Urban Meyer. How did that
turn out?What an uninformed post. No informed BB fan expected any
short-term significant results. The rebuilding program will take time and I
believe Coach K is putting a solid foundation together.
Majerus has left the building.
UtewannbeGreat Spin job and a great job of playing connect the dots;
even though it makes on sense at all. However the difference is, Utah fans can
admit that BYU has a better basketball team; you beat us. Your record is far
better than ours, but we have played a tougher schedule. However, you can't
admit Utah had a better football team. You act as if the game played between the
two never happend. You also act as if Utah went 1-11. It's called manning
up and giving credit where credit is due. What a concept. It sure beats the
spin/shell game and the alibi slant; which both seem to be your specialty.
Tough loss. "Uteanonymous" showed how little he pays
attention (though I have to give credit on your sample size point, you are
actually right).1. Loveridge came off the bench because he is still
trying to get better from a knee injury that kept him out of saturdays game. He
probably would have been kept to 15 minutes but Lenz was just awful. Larry
didn't think to himself that bringing Jordan off the bench was a good idea,
he was forced to. Jordan clearly isnt right. anyone who watched the game would
have seen that. 2. To call Glen Dean (the other player who was
benched) "one of utahs best players" is a stretch. Anyone who has even
casually watched this team knows that TAylor has been better and the start was
well earned. He absolutely abused OSU's pg and kept the Utes relatively
close until the end.The loss is on the bigs. Usually steady, they
got killed. Taht, and roberto just made everything. gotta give him credit.
"Wednesday night’s outcome made the Utes and Beavers co-cellar
dwellers with 2-8 league records"Just curious, does Utah own the
tie breaker with this loss?
UteanymousGood points.One game seldom defines an entire
season. The Utes have a couple of good wins, some confidence-building close
losses, and some ugly losses to some really bad teams.If
Krystkoviak's plan was to play a pathetically weak non-conference schedule
to build confidence in a rebuilding team for the conference season, it certainly
hasn't paid off, at least not in the win column.
Maybe we should stop referring to them as the "Runnin' Utes", at
least until they earn the right to use that moniker.There's not
much "Runnin'" in a team that ranks 237th in the country in
How many times will Chris Hill get a pass on hiring mediocre basketball coaches,
before the Utes address the real source of the downfall of the Utah basketball
program, an AD who seems incapable of hiring a good head basketball coach?Coach K seems like a good guy, but he has no track record of being a
successful basketball coach at the major college level and his first two seasons
at Utah haven't given us any indication that he'll ever reach that
A bad team can beat a good team if the bad team has a good night and the good
team has a bad night. However, when a team loses consistently to good and bad
teams, you know it's bad. The Utes can't solve their problems by
hiring a new coach every few years. The U sacrificed its basketball program in
order to get its football program in a better conference. I hope the money
makes everyone on the hill feel better, because it's not going to get
better in terms of wins.
Two For FlinchingHave to agree, Utah was out hustled pretty much the
whole game. The Utes simply don't have the talent to beat very many teams
without giving max effort on every possession.Krystkoviak's
plan to bring a couple of his starters off the bench was a disaster. All it did
was prevent the Utes from starting the game strong and taking the fight out of
the struggling Beavers early.
This is the best Utah team in the last 4 or 5 years, but with two conference
wins and only Arizona, ASU, Oregon, and OSU left on Utah's home schedule,
it's looking more and more like the Utes won't exceed last
season's 3 conference wins. Utah's 5th straight losing
season is all but guaranteed now, and the seemingly never-ending rebuilding
cycle at the U will continue again next season.
So what have we learned about grading teams based on small sample sizes:Utah only loses at Arizona by 3, "proving" Utah is almost as
good as the best team in the PAC 12.Utah only loses at BYU by 3,
"proving" Utah is almost as good as BYU, and by extension, that BYU is
as good as Arizona.Stanford loses at Arizona by 7, "proving"
that Utah and BYU are both better than Stanford.Utah loses at home
to Stanford by 31, "proving" that Stanford is much better than Utah.Utah loses at OSU by 18, "proving" that the Utes are much worse
than the worst team in the PAC 12.hmmmmmSo maybe using a
larger sample size, 12 of 12 football games, 30 of 30 basketball games, instead
of one single game head-to-head match up, to determine which teams are better
isn't such a frantic and emotional idea after all.btw, coach
small k's new starting lineup was a bust. Bringing two of his best players
off the bench against the formerly worst team in the conference, simply gave the
Beavers a chance to gain confidence early in the game.
@ CougfaninTXNo kidding. I certainly hope coack K get's it
straigtened out by next year. Beat Colorado, Boise State, play Arizona and ASU
down to the wire on the road; yet can't beat USC, WSU or OSU? Frustrating
to say the least. Oh well, gotta keep the faith....GO UTES!
How do U beat Colorado and Washington and lose to Oregon State?
Every cloud has a silver lining. The wonderful thing about being
last place is that it's a great place to begin historic runs.I'm glad the Utes can just put this behind them and start over again.Congrats for new beginnings.
Defense was soft, especially off-ball and there was no hustle on rebounds or to
loose balls. This team still lacks talent and if they want a chance to win they
need to play with more heart. I don't know how many times they need to
learn that lesson.Here's to hoping for a Sunday miracle.