Comments about ‘Brandon Gurney: Here are my recruiting grades for BYU, Utah and Utah State on signing day’

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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 6 2013 9:54 p.m. MST

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

"Utah smashed the other in-state schools in recruiting no matter you slice it. Utah has a higher rated class and higher avg. player ranking."

utah was 5-7 with no bowl game this just completed season. Congratulations?

LOL!

cedarcityute
cedar city, UT

Thumbs up to SlopJ30. That was the most intelligent comment in this entire thread.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ duckhunter

Despite that fact Utah still brought in a better class of players according to literally every major site that covers recruiting. I guess that explains why BYU fans keep trying to deflect the conversation away from the subject of the article.

wyoming cougar
Green River, WY

I guess it's time for BYU and usu to just fold up their football programs and quit as they can't compete with the u in recruiting anymore. I didn't realize that recruiting us the only game that matters now- more important than records, bowl games, etc. I mean, how can the best school in the state recruiting wise be the worst on the field?

I'm amazed that the other schools can even be in the same field with that mighty b(c)s program in SLC. Good luck next year with your #40 something class. Hope you can eke out a win against Colorado (your new rival) once again.

Aggie84
Idaho Falls, ID

I give the Aggies an A for recruiting in-state kids. I see over the next foreseeale future that more local kids will be going to USU where they will be getting playing time and not bench time.
I also predict that local kids will be picking USU over BYU, you can already see that happening.
It's a great time to be an Aggie.
I also predict that the Aggies will continue to get more recognition over the next few years nationally and that will help the recruitment program nationwide.
Joining the MWC is going to help fill the stadium next year and I would ask the BYU fans to wear their original blue color at the game so there won't be any confusion on the team with the true blue colors who will win by at least 2 touchdowns.

TFUDD
SLC, UT

@ Chris B
I'm a utah fan but dude stop embarrassing yourself and our fan base. Your just trying to create excitement and get cougar fans mad. Grow up and just watch the game/read the articles

Lightening Lad
Austin , TX

Yea the rating means nothing, yet all non-athletic factors being equal, you couch coaches couldn't care less whether your team gets a 1-Star QB or a 5-Star QB? How hypocritical, the ratings are worthless only when your team can compete vs other schools. When they get the 4-5 Star kids you brag for a decade. Lately BYU can't beat Utah no matter how they outplay them, while Utah can't beat anyone else and normally falls apart as the season goes on finishing below the Cougars in rankings or home for the holidays despite the PAC's many bowl positions. Clearly BYU has a mental problem with Utah losing by 1 or 3 or falling completelly apart at home, while Utah puts too much empathis on the BYU game and too little on other games vs decent teams. Utah couldn't have come within 3 TD's of beating Georgia Tech in Atlanta after a luck win in El Paso, yet BYU destroys the Wreck and without Turnover Boy, Tech would have scored only 7. Go figure

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Tators:

"Out of the 24 recruits who signed yesterday with BYU, 16 had offers from the U, but decided on BYU anyway..."

Not according to Rivals. Their website listed only 4 recruits offered by Utah who signed with the Utes' little brother.

It also listed 15 Y signees with ZERO other FBS offers. So how could Utah have offered 2/3 of your class when nearly 2/3 didn't even have a single other D-1 offer?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Ducky

You were out recruited by Toledo!

LOL!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@spokane girl

I doubt it. When it all washes out BYU will have had far more success with this batch of recruits than toledo will with theirs. Ultimately that is what matters. I find it interesting that utah "fans" like yourself put so much stock in recruiting rankings, expecially considering tuah is so middle of the pack average in the rankings, yet you completely dismiss the actual end of year team rankings that show BYU consistently finishing MUCH higher than utah.

So here you are bragging about some recruits that got an average ranking from some internet nerds yet you consistently degrade the rankings that actually amtter, that is the team rankings when the season ends.

LOL!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Lightening Lad:

"Lately BYU can't beat Utah no matter how they outplay them...Clearly BYU has a mental problem with Utah..."

There's no way losing 8 of the last 11 is a "mental problem" for the cougs. It's a talent/coaching problem. The reason why the Y hasn't been very successful vs. the U is because the U has the better program, and is the better team.

"Utah puts too much empathis [sic] on the BYU game and too little on other games vs decent teams."

That's just another example of your classic cougar arrogance. You're not that important to us. Job #1 for Utah is winning the Pac-12 South. That means our primary focus each year is beating USC, UCLA, Ariz, ASU, and Colo. Secondary is beating the other teams in our league: UWa, WSU, Ore, OSU, Stanford, and Cal. Tertiary is winning our OOC games...particularly vs. the teams from relevant conferences (i.e. Michigan-BigTen). Beating the Y ranks down there alongside beating USU and Fresno St, but above beating Weber St.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Lightening Lad:

"Utah couldn't have come within 3 TD's of beating Georgia Tech in Atlanta after a luck win in El Paso, yet BYU destroys the Wreck..."

Did the Y destroy the Wreck by 44-pts? No? I thought not. Perhaps the "luck win" was in fact, in Atlanta. Utah beat the Y and GT back in '11 by a combined 47-pts. The Y beat GT in '12 by 24...but LOST to the Utes -- AGAIN -- by 3. Net: 21-pts.

Edge: Utah.

Best you get used to taking a backseat to Utah. You got beat in the recruiting wars in 8 of the past 11 seasons (per Rivals), and beat on the football field in 8 of the past 11 seasons as well. The better team/program doesn't lose 73% of the time.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

Nobody cares about how dominant the Y was vs. the weakest teams in the WAC except Y fans and the weakest teams in the WAC. And now that there IS no WAC, you'll be finding out soon enough what it means to be playing a big boy schedule, like your big brother has been doing in each of the past 2 seasons. If a 10-3 and an 8-5 season is the result of your WAC schedule, do you really believe you'll be winning 8 or 9 games in 2013?

You should be one of the LAST people pointing at others and accusing them of hypocrisy. Well...philosophically that is. In reality, as a typical hypocritical Y fan, I can see how you'd actually be the first.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Enough banter over meaningless rankings.

I do find it hilarious that BYU "fan" would have the nerve to say anything about a Utah team that owns their team.

Yes, 3 in a row and 8 of 11 = owns.

Deal with it.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ Naval Vet...

Obviously, you read these online Deseret News sports articles. As such, please find the article released on Wednesday (the official signing day) entitled something like "BYU's official signed recruit list". There were also similar lists for the U and USU. It lists each and every recruit, where they are from, their position stats, and the other schools who recruited them. There are 24 listed on BYU's list of which 16 had offers from the U. In addition, many of the other 8 had offers from other PAC12 schools. It's all there in black and white.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

P.S. to Naval Vet:

Why do you and other U fans keep bragging so much about the little squeaker win the U had over BYU last year? The Y had more offensive yardage and the game was won by a fluke special teams play. Yes, the U did win on the scoreboard, but not in a way that leaves much to brag about. In truth, beating the Y game was the only highlight of this past year that U fans have to mention.
Another fact, the U did lose to USU, who in turn lost to BYU. In fairness, you should consider that too. Also, the Y barely lost to Notre Dame (2nd in the country) on the road after leading most of the game and again had better stats. Ditto against Boise State with a 1 point loss at Boise.
Also part of the bigger picture... the U got blown out by some pretty mediocre teams this past year, which indicates they must put extra emphasis on the game with the Y, seeing that they were unable to even qualify for a bowl game. The U is obviously over their heads in the PAC12.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Naval Vet

"That's just another example of your classic cougar arrogance. You're not that important to us. Job #1 for Utah is winning the Pac-12 South. That means our primary focus each year is beating USC, UCLA, Ariz, ASU, and Colo. Secondary is beating the other teams in our league: UWa, WSU, Ore, OSU, Stanford, and Cal. Tertiary is winning our OOC games...particularly vs. the teams from relevant conferences (i.e. Michigan-BigTen). Beating the Y ranks down there alongside beating USU and Fresno St, but above beating Weber St."

Do you include yourself in the "our" and "us" described above? If so, why is it that you post dozens of times each week on BYU articles. If BYU is so unimportant why does it consume so much of your time?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Tators:

You are mistaken. There's a HUGE difference between being "recruited by" and "offered a scholarship". Consider it this way...

Being "recruited by" is like being recruited by a prospective employer. Just because you were invited to interview for the job, that does not insinuate the prospective employer is obligated to bringing you on staff.

Being "offered a scholarship" is akin to being offered a job. Just because one was offered the position, that does not suggest one is obligated to take it.

Therefore, the number of recruits a school "signs" will not be the same number of kids who were either "recruited" nor "offered". The "recruited" would be the largest pool. The "offered" would be the refined pool. The signed would be the mutual selection between coach and player, (or employee and employer).

The only players the Y signed that Utah offered were Kearsley, Peoples, Shumway, and Trammell. Wesley's was rescinded by the U before he took a recruiting trip to ASU. When ASU declined, Utah had already filled his spot with another OL, and thus no standing offer was available to him. And THAT's when he turned to the Y. So Wesley doesn't count.

charlie24
Sandy, UT

No stars needed to do a better job of rating the teams. Utah, as a BCS team was in the lower half so a B is maybe high. BYU as a mid major is about middle of the pack with USU a bit behind, so a B- is probably about right. If you were to put them on the same list, the difference is much greater than 1/2 a grade. BYU has enjoyed a big recruting edge over Utah for years, but lost that edge in the last few years. Expect Utah's edge to grow each year. If they get to a mid Pac12 level that will be a big advantage over even the best mid major teams.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Tators

BYU's special teams was awful last year. Missing kicks was anything but a fluke.

Congrats on the rest of the moral victories though.

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