I appreciate the effort to grade these recruits, but frankly the recruiting
services don't have a clue. You could go out and do some actual research
on these kids and give us an opinion we can't just look up on another
website because there are hundreds of stories of 4-5 star kids who never
contribute and as well hundreds more stories of 1-2 star kids who turn into
studs at the next level.
Stain logic = "I don't like your team. Therefore, they wont win."
An 11-2 record and a lot of eaten humble pie later...The stain
hasn't used a single, verifiable fact to back up his argument, and most of
it is poor speculation. Therefore, my logic couldn't possibly be worse than
yours.As for the rookies, we had several this past season make a
substantial difference for the team, including Bruce Natson, Zach Vigil, and
Kyler Fackrell. Research much at SUU?I don't care if USU
doesn't get another shot at Wisconsin. They aren't in the MWC.Only time will tell if USU will go back to mediocrity or soar without
Andersen. But historically speaking, the more eviscerating and banal the
stain's predictions are, the better we do. So by all means: keep
Keep arguing and and saying my logic is abysmal. Yours is worse. USU
won't give these kids significant playing time. If the team is as good as
you say they are why would they give these inexperienced rookies time? Not in a
new conference they won't win. Yes they were. They were until Anderson
skipped town. Now answer me this. Do you honestly think USU has a shot at Wisc
in the future? Keep trying to convince yourself but the fact of the matter is
when Anderson left USU went back to mediocrity.
Stain, no player is dumb for picking a program that will give them significant
playing time, a scholarship, and a good chance to win. As much as you might hate
to admit it, USU football is on the rise. And the fact that nearly all of the
recruits by Gary have stayed loyal to Coach Wells proves the program is bigger
than just one coach.Not to mention USU has upgraded facilities, a
new conference, and substantially improved fundraising. Combined with a
university president and athletic director who understand the importance of the
sport to the university, this is a sustainable trajectory, too.So
how about that?Stain logic = Utterly and appallingly abysmal
Sambone,Those that did stay apparently didn't want to be apart
of a winning team with a winning coach. And in a city that enjoys winning.
Given the choice between USU and Wisconsin the new players would be dumb not to
pick Wisc. Especially after Wisc beat USU.
Did byu set a new record for the most 2-Stars in a single recruiting class?
Just imagine how much worse it would have been [and this is saying alot as bad
as it actually turned-out] had that Oregon OL stuck w/his wavering and actually
gone elsewhere....I've honestly never before witnessed so many 2-Stars in a
@ Two ForI don't think Air Force is going to "eat our lunch
more often than not". Will they beat us every now and then? Sure, i'll
give you that; you wins some, you lose some. But if USU stays consistent,
we'll have a good chance at winning the Mountain. And I'm VERY
confident we go bowling every year. Remember, the WAC finished rated above the
MWC this year. SJSU, La Tech and USU all had BCS rankings late in the year. And
if La. Tech didn't face USU and SJSU late they too would have finished
Ah, the stain is right on cue. I don't even have anything to say to it, but
I'll humor it anyway.You're dead wrong about USU's
recruiting class this year. Almost all of them have stayed on board even with
the departure of Andersen. Coach Wells has done an excellent job retaining them
(and even gaining a couple of high profile ones, to boot). A quick five minute
search on the DesNews would saved the stain some embarrassment.Try
using some facts next time.
@Sambone,Yo won't get the results you want this year from those
guys. Most of the recruits you had went to other schools the second they found
out Anderson skipped town. Go ahead and ask me a stupid qestion about SUU. Go
ahead, I'm waiting and it's gonna be fun reading what you come up
@Two For FlinchingIt's true that Air Force is tough to put
down. However, they have been pretty inconsistent the last few years. And they
have definitely choked away a few of their games (Toledo comes to mind). I very
much like our odds against them if they come to play in Logan.I
think the Aggies will be able to compete just fine in the MWC. Besides, Boise
has lost a considerable amount of zip on their ball since Kellen Moore left.And for what it's worth, I think recruiting class rankings are
basically meaningless. It's the results on the gridiron that count most.
The Pavlovian frantic and emotional response Naval gets out of duckyg everytime
he says "frantic and emotional" is even more entertaining than the soap
opera that has become coog football. Anybody got a Doman sighting to
@ VAggieI'm excited for the Aggies and think it's an
exciting time in their history, but I do not expect them to be a regular
contender in the Mountain Division. I'm betting Air Force is going to each
your lunch more often than not. That team is a hard one to put down, regardless
of their record.
Duckhunter:"Like always if you have to declare yourself
victorious it really manes [sic] you are not."If you have no
substance to back up your points, it means it's because you don't HAVE
any...thus rendering my point "irrefutable".And armed with
an "irrefutable" statement, I am the victor.I can see
you're used to being the loser, but your record isn't even as high as
the cougars' .273 average against the Utes these past 11 games. Love all
the insecurity you've got goin' on there.
@navalLike always if you have to declare yourself victorious it
really manes you are not.LOL!@spokane girlI
can get you to desperately respond anytime I post. LOL!
@ Striker.The current USU team would blow out the USU teams you
mention. In the past 2 years we have played, and beat often soundly teams we
will face in the MWC. We beast CSU, Wyo, UNLV, San Jose, Nevada, and Hawaii.
We'd have won the MWC title this past year. No one in Logan is afraid of
Boise. Boise is a very beatable team. and the MWC-Mountain Division will be a 2
team race between Boise and USU, with AFA sometimes competing. USU has proven
itself, finished ranked, and won the Beehive Boot. Every time recently when
people put the Aggies down saying "We wont even compete" we end up
competing. I loved the look of UU fans and BYU fans last time they both visited
Romney Stadium. USU sent 3 players to the NFL last year, will send AT LEAST 2
this year. We have nothing to prove. We are the best team in the state.. get
used to it.
Actually its more fun watching Ducky use LOL like my 6 year old daughter.
Isn't it fun witnessing Duckhunter's insecurity over the WAC-ish
recruiting class the Y just signed take center stage with all his frantic and
emotional posts? It truely IS fans like Duckhunter making frantic and emotional
post after frantic and emotional post that makes trolling Y articles well worth
it.But what happened to sammyg? Did the cougars' bottom-grade
recruiting class send him spiraling into an emotionally unbalanced state of
catatonia?Oh well. "LOL"
@ DuckyWhat wrong, can handle the truth?. Go to Rivals and see who
had a higher ranking Toledo or BYU. Also, did i mention that EVERY PAC 12 team
had a higher ranked class? Now that's something to laugh about; or cry
about in your case!
Isn't it fun witnessing naval vet meltdown live? LOL!
Duckhunter:I "LOL" at you because you have nothing to
disparage the Utes with that doesn't also make your little WAC-wannabe
school look even more miserably mid-majorey."LOL"!
Tators:"...the Y barely lost to Notre Dame..."So
did 6-7 Pitt. Only THEY took that game into 3 O/Ts. You lost in regulation.
And by the same point spread margin as your loss to the U."...after leading most of the game and again had better stats."Notre Dame finished with more points...which is the only stat that
really matters. That said, the Y finished that game amassing 243-yds (Pitt
managed 308 vs. ND). And, just like in the Utah game, the cougars benefitted by
facing the opponents backup QB for the entire game (whereas Pitt faced the
starter). That's hardly dominating. Notre Dame finished with 389-yds, and
that was DESPITE having a few more yds marched off due to penalties. The Y
turned the ball over twice; ND did so only once. Notre Dame won the Time of
Possession stat as well. The cougars most certainly did NOT have better stats
in that game. They were lucky to be in the game. Thanks 2nd-string QB!
Tators:"The Y had more offensive yardage...Another fact, the U
did lose to USU, who in turn lost to BYU. In fairness, you should consider that
too. Also, the Y barely lost to Notre Dame (2nd in the country) on the road
after leading most of the game and again had better stats. Ditto against Boise
State with a 1 point loss at Boise."The U had more offensive
yardage than USU...but what difference does that make when the REAL measurable
is the scoreboard. Y fans like to talk about "fluke" special teams
play, but ignore a fluke PI call that cost the Utes the game in Logan. Utah went 2-2 vs. the cougars, the Aggies, WSU, and OSU. The cougars
went 2-2 vs. the Utes, the Aggies, WSU, and OSU. Those are the only games that
matter between our 2 programs when trying to analyze the entire body of work.
And since both teams went 2-2, we look at head-to-head. Which favors Utah.
Utah > BYU. Case closed.P.S. Utah beat WSU by more points, and
lost to OSU by fewer. Edge: Utah again.
Tators:"The Y had more offensive yardage and the game was won by
a fluke special teams play."First of all, Special Teams is part
of the game. Second, missing a 51-yd FG is not a fluke. Missing a 36-yd FG is
not a fluke either if the kicker kicks for the Y. The fluke was that the Y even
got a second shot at that FG due to a penalty that should have been offsetting.
Y coaches were on the field too ya know, and closer to the play than the U
fans...who I might add, did not impact the play in the first place. Third, Utah
botched plenty of plays in our own right. It's just that we don't
botch as many as the Y, because the U is simply the better team. Fourth, the Y
lucked out early in the 1st Qtr when Utah had a fumble recovery in the endzone
TD called back due to Joe Kruger.Utah led by 17-pts in the 4th-Qtr,
despite playing without their starters at QB, RB, FS, and SS. Those were major
impact players. We won anyway because we were the better team.
@naval I have to admit I LOL! as I pictured you "frantically and
emotionally" not to mention furiously, typing out all of those posts, one
after another after another after another.....LOL!
@ TatorsBYU's special teams was awful last year. Missing kicks
was anything but a fluke.Congrats on the rest of the moral victories
No stars needed to do a better job of rating the teams. Utah, as a BCS team was
in the lower half so a B is maybe high. BYU as a mid major is about middle of
the pack with USU a bit behind, so a B- is probably about right. If you were to
put them on the same list, the difference is much greater than 1/2 a grade. BYU
has enjoyed a big recruting edge over Utah for years, but lost that edge in the
last few years. Expect Utah's edge to grow each year. If they get to a
mid Pac12 level that will be a big advantage over even the best mid major teams.
Tators:You are mistaken. There's a HUGE difference between
being "recruited by" and "offered a scholarship". Consider it
this way...Being "recruited by" is like being recruited by a
prospective employer. Just because you were invited to interview for the job,
that does not insinuate the prospective employer is obligated to bringing you on
staff.Being "offered a scholarship" is akin to being offered
a job. Just because one was offered the position, that does not suggest one is
obligated to take it. Therefore, the number of recruits a school
"signs" will not be the same number of kids who were either
"recruited" nor "offered". The "recruited" would be the
largest pool. The "offered" would be the refined pool. The signed
would be the mutual selection between coach and player, (or employee and
employer).The only players the Y signed that Utah offered were
Kearsley, Peoples, Shumway, and Trammell. Wesley's was rescinded by the U
before he took a recruiting trip to ASU. When ASU declined, Utah had already
filled his spot with another OL, and thus no standing offer was available to
him. And THAT's when he turned to the Y. So Wesley doesn't count.
RE: Naval Vet"That's just another example of your classic
cougar arrogance. You're not that important to us. Job #1 for Utah is
winning the Pac-12 South. That means our primary focus each year is beating USC,
UCLA, Ariz, ASU, and Colo. Secondary is beating the other teams in our league:
UWa, WSU, Ore, OSU, Stanford, and Cal. Tertiary is winning our OOC
games...particularly vs. the teams from relevant conferences (i.e.
Michigan-BigTen). Beating the Y ranks down there alongside beating USU and
Fresno St, but above beating Weber St."Do you include yourself
in the "our" and "us" described above? If so, why is it that
you post dozens of times each week on BYU articles. If BYU is so unimportant
why does it consume so much of your time?
P.S. to Naval Vet:Why do you and other U fans keep bragging so much
about the little squeaker win the U had over BYU last year? The Y had more
offensive yardage and the game was won by a fluke special teams play. Yes, the U
did win on the scoreboard, but not in a way that leaves much to brag about. In
truth, beating the Y game was the only highlight of this past year that U fans
have to mention.Another fact, the U did lose to USU, who in turn lost to
BYU. In fairness, you should consider that too. Also, the Y barely lost to Notre
Dame (2nd in the country) on the road after leading most of the game and again
had better stats. Ditto against Boise State with a 1 point loss at Boise. Also part of the bigger picture... the U got blown out by some pretty mediocre
teams this past year, which indicates they must put extra emphasis on the game
with the Y, seeing that they were unable to even qualify for a bowl game. The U
is obviously over their heads in the PAC12.
@ Naval Vet...Obviously, you read these online Deseret News sports
articles. As such, please find the article released on Wednesday (the official
signing day) entitled something like "BYU's official signed recruit
list". There were also similar lists for the U and USU. It lists each and
every recruit, where they are from, their position stats, and the other schools
who recruited them. There are 24 listed on BYU's list of which 16 had
offers from the U. In addition, many of the other 8 had offers from other PAC12
schools. It's all there in black and white.
Enough banter over meaningless rankings.I do find it hilarious that
BYU "fan" would have the nerve to say anything about a Utah team that
owns their team.Yes, 3 in a row and 8 of 11 = owns.Deal
Duckhunter:Nobody cares about how dominant the Y was vs. the weakest
teams in the WAC except Y fans and the weakest teams in the WAC. And now that
there IS no WAC, you'll be finding out soon enough what it means to be
playing a big boy schedule, like your big brother has been doing in each of the
past 2 seasons. If a 10-3 and an 8-5 season is the result of your WAC schedule,
do you really believe you'll be winning 8 or 9 games in 2013?You should be one of the LAST people pointing at others and accusing them of
hypocrisy. Well...philosophically that is. In reality, as a typical
hypocritical Y fan, I can see how you'd actually be the first.
Lightening Lad:"Utah couldn't have come within 3 TD's
of beating Georgia Tech in Atlanta after a luck win in El Paso, yet BYU destroys
the Wreck..."Did the Y destroy the Wreck by 44-pts? No? I
thought not. Perhaps the "luck win" was in fact, in Atlanta. Utah beat
the Y and GT back in '11 by a combined 47-pts. The Y beat GT in '12
by 24...but LOST to the Utes -- AGAIN -- by 3. Net: 21-pts.Edge:
Utah.Best you get used to taking a backseat to Utah. You got beat
in the recruiting wars in 8 of the past 11 seasons (per Rivals), and beat on the
football field in 8 of the past 11 seasons as well. The better team/program
doesn't lose 73% of the time.
Lightening Lad:"Lately BYU can't beat Utah no matter how
they outplay them...Clearly BYU has a mental problem with Utah..."There's no way losing 8 of the last 11 is a "mental problem" for
the cougs. It's a talent/coaching problem. The reason why the Y
hasn't been very successful vs. the U is because the U has the better
program, and is the better team."Utah puts too much empathis
[sic] on the BYU game and too little on other games vs decent teams."That's just another example of your classic cougar arrogance.
You're not that important to us. Job #1 for Utah is winning the Pac-12
South. That means our primary focus each year is beating USC, UCLA, Ariz, ASU,
and Colo. Secondary is beating the other teams in our league: UWa, WSU, Ore,
OSU, Stanford, and Cal. Tertiary is winning our OOC games...particularly vs.
the teams from relevant conferences (i.e. Michigan-BigTen). Beating the Y ranks
down there alongside beating USU and Fresno St, but above beating Weber St.
@spokane girlI doubt it. When it all washes out BYU will have had
far more success with this batch of recruits than toledo will with theirs.
Ultimately that is what matters. I find it interesting that utah "fans"
like yourself put so much stock in recruiting rankings, expecially considering
tuah is so middle of the pack average in the rankings, yet you completely
dismiss the actual end of year team rankings that show BYU consistently
finishing MUCH higher than utah. So here you are bragging about some
recruits that got an average ranking from some internet nerds yet you
consistently degrade the rankings that actually amtter, that is the team
rankings when the season ends.LOL!
@ DuckyYou were out recruited by Toledo!LOL!
Tators:"Out of the 24 recruits who signed yesterday with BYU, 16
had offers from the U, but decided on BYU anyway..."Not
according to Rivals. Their website listed only 4 recruits offered by Utah who
signed with the Utes' little brother.It also listed 15 Y
signees with ZERO other FBS offers. So how could Utah have offered 2/3 of your
class when nearly 2/3 didn't even have a single other D-1 offer?
Yea the rating means nothing, yet all non-athletic factors being equal, you
couch coaches couldn't care less whether your team gets a 1-Star QB or a
5-Star QB? How hypocritical, the ratings are worthless only when your team can
compete vs other schools. When they get the 4-5 Star kids you brag for a decade.
Lately BYU can't beat Utah no matter how they outplay them, while Utah
can't beat anyone else and normally falls apart as the season goes on
finishing below the Cougars in rankings or home for the holidays despite the
PAC's many bowl positions. Clearly BYU has a mental problem with Utah
losing by 1 or 3 or falling completelly apart at home, while Utah puts too much
empathis on the BYU game and too little on other games vs decent teams. Utah
couldn't have come within 3 TD's of beating Georgia Tech in Atlanta
after a luck win in El Paso, yet BYU destroys the Wreck and without Turnover
Boy, Tech would have scored only 7. Go figure
@ Chris BI'm a utah fan but dude stop embarrassing yourself and our
fan base. Your just trying to create excitement and get cougar fans mad. Grow up
and just watch the game/read the articles
I give the Aggies an A for recruiting in-state kids. I see over the next
foreseeale future that more local kids will be going to USU where they will be
getting playing time and not bench time.I also predict that local kids
will be picking USU over BYU, you can already see that happening.It's
a great time to be an Aggie.I also predict that the Aggies will continue
to get more recognition over the next few years nationally and that will help
the recruitment program nationwide.Joining the MWC is going to help fill
the stadium next year and I would ask the BYU fans to wear their original blue
color at the game so there won't be any confusion on the team with the true
blue colors who will win by at least 2 touchdowns.
I guess it's time for BYU and usu to just fold up their football programs
and quit as they can't compete with the u in recruiting anymore. I
didn't realize that recruiting us the only game that matters now- more
important than records, bowl games, etc. I mean, how can the best school in the
state recruiting wise be the worst on the field? I'm amazed
that the other schools can even be in the same field with that mighty b(c)s
program in SLC. Good luck next year with your #40 something class. Hope you can
eke out a win against Colorado (your new rival) once again.
@ duckhunterDespite that fact Utah still brought in a better class
of players according to literally every major site that covers recruiting. I
guess that explains why BYU fans keep trying to deflect the conversation away
from the subject of the article.
Thumbs up to SlopJ30. That was the most intelligent comment in this entire
@2fer"Utah smashed the other in-state schools in recruiting no
matter you slice it. Utah has a higher rated class and higher avg. player
ranking."utah was 5-7 with no bowl game this just completed
Man, a lot of chest-thumping about nothing. Sometimes I read these boards and
think "am I part of this rabble?" I guess I am. I will now smack myself
repeatedly with my stapler.
The Y Haters always post first...Stars from recruiting services mean
nothing after a couple of years in a program
I don't understand why recruits are even given "star" rankings. I
heard an interesting stat on the radio the other morning. I think it was
something like all but 2 players who made the all pac-12 first team were ranked
3 stars or below coming out of high school. Congrats to all who recieved an
athletic scholarship, but now is the time to put the stars behind you because
everything starts over now. Just ask Jake Heaps.
@ ogmson"Whit understands that 3 of the last four wins were
nothing more than luck with the ball bouncing one way instead of the other"
Two of the last four wins were blowouts in Utah's favor and
Utah was up by 17 going into the fourth last year. That doesn't sound like
luck to me. However, using your reasoning it is also fair to say that all 6 of
BYU's wins since 1998 were nothing more than luck with the ball bouncing
one way instead of the other.Utah smashed the other in-state schools
in recruiting no matter you slice it. Utah has a higher rated class and higher
avg. player ranking.
There are a couple of facts to consider when judging recruits.#1)
Recruit ranking is based primarily on someone's opinion. Nothing else.
There is no totally objective way to rate high school players. There is example
after example of 2-star recruits that ended up much more successful than
supposedly 4-star recruits. The star behind a high school player's name
means very little at this point. How he performs on the field at the next level
is the only rating that will really count.BYU must have fantastic coaches
to turn such low ranked recruits into the #3 nationally ranked defense in the
nation. #2) (This is mainly for Chrissy B, who can't count,
and for a few other fixated U "fans")Out of the 24 recruits who
signed yesterday with BYU, 16 had offers from the U, but decided on BYU
anyway... a full two-thirds of their recruits. #3) Regardless of
recruit ratings, BYU will beat the U in their game this fall. You can put it in
writing. It's a future fact. Also, BYU will go bowling again this year. The
U... probably not, again. Will be awaiting Chrissy B's funny excuses.
Good luck with your down year aggies. Doesn't matter what level of talent
you got for the 2013 year.
@ StrikerIm pretty sure BYU and UTAH won the MWC championship in
football 7 times out of 13. thats not to bad. CSU and TCU were the only other
winners while Utah and BYU were around.
Duck is right, going against the best isn't as easy so it's not as
VAggie,"We will be fine, and compete for a MWC trophy..."Guess how many few times BYU or Utah won the MWC? It's not an easy
conference to win. The new MWC is the old WAC, and USU always ended up in the
bottom of the WAC with most of these same teams. Plus, new teams will be in the
mix, and playing the likes of AFA or Wyoming is never an easy task, and add that
to improved SDSU and Fresno. Losing the coach who got the program it's
first conference championship in a long time (maybe ever) in a 6-team league
full of patsies was hardly an accomplishment worthy to say we'll compete in
the top in a brand new, very good conference. A coach who bolts elsewhere who
got them there will make it even tougher. USU needs exceptional recruits to
compete in a better conference. USU will be an AFA in this conference....always
near the middle. With Boise in the mix, it will be hard for any team to win
@ OgmsonDid you roll a set of dice, or spin a wheel to get your
information? Let me help, per Rival Ratings (per Player), over all ranking:Utah = 2.96, #42BYU = 2.27, #76USU = 2.13, #104I hope that
provides you with a better understanding of rhe recruiting ranking system, and
provides you with some actual data.
Utah (#42) out recruited 3 PAC 12 schools and 7 Big 10 schools (per Rivals). BYU
(#76) was out recruited by EVERY PAC 12 & Big 10 school. Mr. Gurney must be
grading on the curve.
@Chris B ""You didnt beat us last year. Or the year before. Or the year
before." davidutefan " I love the way cougar fan blast the Utes
when their team,apparantly, can't find a way to beat them." Lol, U 'fans' are great. Your only metric of success is if U beat
the 'irrelevant school down south with no athletes' and 'horrible
recruiting classes'. Which is just as it's always been. It doesn't get more little brotherish then that.I find it
cute, actually. U come on to these boards, stomping your feet and talking about
completely subjective recruiting rankings, and how Utah is so dominant, blah
blah blah, wanting people to think U are relevant.The mere fact that
U use beating BYU as your measuring stick of relevance tells us just how
relevant U are (that, and the fact that U currently run your football facilities
out of a trailer park, which is just plain hilarious).U beat BYU
three years in a row. Congratulations? U went 5-7 last year, didn't go
bowling, have been mocked by national pundits, and yet U only care about beating
the Y?Lol! Carry on, little brother. Carry on.
Ute fan says "try beating someone better than Utah St." to BYU fans!
That's cute. First, Utah St. went 11-2 with a bowl game win and
a final BCS ranking of 16!Second, BYU beat Utah St and Utah did
not!!!So who did Utah beat that was better than Utah St. or even
BYU? Utah's 5 AWESOME wins: Washington St (3-9), Cal (3-9),
Colorado (1-11) No. Colorado (5-6) BYU (8-5)?Impressive...most
impressive! Utah's best win was against BYU who Utes claim are lowly
The U is in 42nd place out of 123 schools, 66% or a good solid D. BYU gets
34%, an F no matter how you try and look at it. USU in spite of all the wishing
for a great recruiting class after a year of being the best football team in the
state(come on BYU 2 field goals) is ranks 103rd, or 16%, and that is an
incomplete.Please don't try and make it look better by
comparing to needs last year's recruiting classes. One's recruiting
class should only be compared to other schools recruiting classes.For example BYU got out recruited by Tulsa, UCF, Toledo, Duke, Colorado, and
Marshall. Ouch! But they did out recruit San Diego State, Louisiana LA,
Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Texas State, and Colorado State. All Schools with
great football programs.
I rate byu as A+++ triple plus. That's exponential ladies & gentlemen.
@gdog3finally: "byU goes for a certain type player who fits into mission of
the school. They want guys that make up for talent with passion for representing
BYU."De'Ondre Wesley?? That was a desperation grab on both
sides. Care to revise that statement?Go Utes!!
"If Utah expects to compete with the PAC 12.....They didn't do
that" Uh, well, let's try and clarify that for Gurney. First Utah doesn't expect to compete...that is why their new rival is
bottom feeder Colorado Buffalo's, the old laughing stock of the Big 12.
Second, they don't expect to compete with top tier programs either, hence
the failure to play the better team to the south. Whit understands that 3 of the
last four wins were nothing more than luck with the ball bouncing one way
instead of the other....He also understands that luck will not sustain a
program. So, lose the big brother and better team to the south from the schedule
so there is more room for the Eastern Washington's and Montana Tech's.
Third, the "B" score was for the signing of one 4 star. Not much of an
improvement over BYU with a "B-" score and no 4 stars. Take away one
commit out of 28 and Utah drops to a "C" score. Head to head, BYU
dominated the recruiting war. (We all saw how well one 5 star panned out...)
Fifth; The Aggies did better man for man than U.
Why does this need to turn into a Utah is better than BYU or BYU is better than
Utah? This game doesn't even get played til fall. How about you all keep
your pants on, stop being dumb about who is better than who since we
uh....don't know yet and talk about the recruits instead?
Over the past 4 years USU has taken a number of its C recruits and pushed them
to A grade heights. Another school takes a A+ qb and turns him into an F grade
transfer. Go figure?The Aggies will more than make do with this
class of recruits. Go Big Blue!!!
I hope that Bronco puts up the tormenting messages from Chris B in the locker
Gurney isn't being fair to BYU. Their grade should be an A because of the
guys they got.
hey TrueCoug: and what was the score again last year? I love the way cougar fan
blast the Utes when their team,apparantly, can't find a way to beat them.
Why don't you run your mouth when the mighty cougs find a way to do
something like beat the Utes, or not pad their way into a bowl game by beating
mediocre WAC team. Yes, they played, and lost to, a couple of good teams but try
beating someone better than Utah State (no offense to a good Aggie team) before
you flap your gums
@trucoug,You didnt beat us last year.Or the year
beforeOr the year before.I'm guessing in the next
20 times we play you guys will win 5, at most.We had to drop you
from our schedule because it was a gimme win, but not respectable.Fresno State provides a more legit win than byu doesGood luck in
your "quest" next year. We'll be happy to personally end your
season, like we did last year.
LOL at utah "fans" and their fragile ego's based on something as
subjective, and ridiculous, as recruiting rankings.LOL!
@Chris B "And your Wisconsin team last year got to the rose bowl, because a
better team wasn't eligible. Weren't you like 7-6 last year? Probably
not related to the 63 ranking though."Lol, even if OSU had been
eligible last year, Wisconsin still would have gone bowling, which is more than
Utah can say.Per Rivals, last year Utah's recruiting class was
ranked #28. Weren't U like 5-7 last year and had to watch everyone else
play in a bowl game from your trailer park football facilities? Probably not
related to the #28 ranking, though.This year, Rivals has Utah's
recruiting class ranked #41...uh oh. That doesn't bode well, Chris.
Thirteen spots lower than last year. And we thought last year was bad...This year, there's no Reggie Dunn to return two KO's for
TD's that proves the difference in a squeaker at the mighty 1-11 CU Buffs
and no Riley Nelson with a broken back/Blair Tushaus combo that botches a snap
that Utah returns for the winning TD against BYU. Things are
looking bleak indeed.Go Cougars!
@slsYou make a VERY good point. We can gawk at 'stars'
all we want but it means nothing. Everyone that got signed yesterday has some
sort of talent that stood out. We're going to have no idea what that is
until we see them in spring ball and possibly some of the recruits in
August/Sept. Calm down, guys we've got a long way to go, a whopping 6
It's hilarious how much credence people give to the star rankings coming
from folks who have little experience with the on the field game. Lavell Edwards
proved that you can create championship teams with players who don't get
the stars from the pundits. All three programs (Utah, BYU, and USU) have proven
the same, over and over.
@Wiscougarfan,"last years recruting class was 63"And your Wisconsin team last year got to the rose bowl, because a better team
wasn't eligible.Weren't you like 7-6 last year?Probably not related to the 63 ranking though. LOL
RE: Chris B. "A b- for a byu team that got beaten in recruiting
by a1-11 Kansas team? Try d-."I hope that you don't
seriously believe that stars are the only factor in recruiting... if so
we're in trouble here in Badger country. Wisconsin consistently has a team
ranking (according to stars given) in the 30-60 range. According to your logic,
then, teams like Utah, North Carolina, and Kansas are better than Wisconsin.
Gee, I wonder how we made it to the Rose bowl... THREE years in a row. Last
years recruiting class was #63.
Keep the information coming. This is an exciting time of year that gets us
through til next season. I appreciate your effort here and I think
you have many interesting points and information. It seems that you are giving
more weight to the national ranking of the recruits rather than your purpose of
filling needs. "My grades are in for the schools regarding how they
addressed current needs and how the prospects were regarded by national
recruiting services."This would usually mean that Utah (Pac-12)
should always have a hiring ranking than other Utah schools. And we all need
that to make the competition better in the state. Another angle, and
probably more time consuming on your part, would be to give them a rank/grade
compared to last year's class and compared to their conference recruitment
rankings. You touched on that in your remarks and I think you could use more of
that for your weighting. Looking at the recruits it seems that they all fill the
big holes and needs that they have and it should help all our teams improve. Best of luck to the entire state this year!
I may not necessarily agree with Gurney's grades either people. Still, he
isn't just grading on the talent comparisons between the three schools (and
all others), but rather the parameters these schools deal with individually. I mean BYU goes for a certain type player who fits into mission of the
school. They want guys that make up for talent with passion for representing
BYU. Next, USU has disadvantages in recruiting vs. other bigger
schools from the get go. They are targeting more local guys and persuading them
with better opportunities to play right away (not ride the pine). They
aren't graded equally with bigger programs. How will their players do
against the MWC? You could say Utah did well but suffered from a
poor season last year. Utah didn't get the big splash recruits. They have a
lot of three star guys that have a chance to be solid and provide more PAC 12
depth. That is not bad, but the odds of those guys being really good are not as
great. So for them, you could grade lower as a whole (counting the bad year last
year) or just base grading on the recruiting season.
Gurney gets an F
@two for... We got what we needed. We got a stretch the field receiver, some
corners, and got deeper in other positions.. I'd put it at an A because we
have great players all over the field, and where we lost the most production was
the secondary and recievers. We will be fine, and compete for a MWC trophy...
While Bronco only signed three D-Lineman, I noticed he grabbed a 6-6-260 kid
from Indiana that runs a sub 4.8 40. While that isn't necessarily Bronson
Kaufusi or Ziggy Ansa speed, it is extremely fast for a potential lineman.
While I can see the advantage of using him in a PG spot on the O-Line, it would
not surprise me if Bronco gives Thomas Shoef a look-see at Defensive End. He
seems to have enough "nasty" on the O-Line. With some training up I
believe he may end up on the other side of the line. But don't discount
the possibility that he'll get a shot at TE either. Perhaps he has no
hands but he certainly has the right kind of speed and body to play there as
well, especially in 2 TE and 2TE+HB sets for running between the tackles in
short yard situations. Again, this kid has the size, speed and feet to play in a
lot of places.
Let's see if I get this straight. BYU gets a grade of B- for a recruiting
class that is ranked somewhere near the 70th place. Utah gets a B for a
recruiting class that is ranked somewhere near the 40th place. Does that mean
the 10th ranked team would get a B+ and the last 10 teams might get a A-?
Let's hope the rankings do not hold true as Utah was about the 9th place
team in the PAC-12 and BYU would be somewhere near the midd to bottom of the
Utah fans = BYU fans. I remember Ute fans making fun of BYU's
"February championships" every year we had a higher ranked recruiting
class. Now we have Chris B claiming the difference between 47 and 57 (per Scout)
is a "B" versus an "F". Congrats to the Utes on
their good recruiting year. I really believe they'll keep getting better.
And thats good for the state of Utah. In the mean time Chris B, be cool, stay in
A b- for a byu team that got beaten in recruiting by a1-11 Kansas team? Try d-.
I guess when recruits see a 1-11 bcs team and a mediocre WAC team
the choice is clear. And yes , Utah beat you too. Again.
A b- is a very high grade f
I give these grades an "F." Utah's class was packed full of three
star athletes vs. two stars for BYU. The Cougars should've gotten a C at
best, yet BYU got pretty much the same grade as the Utes. Fail.
I'd bump USU down to the C-/D+ range. They finished ranked 103 in the
recruiting rankings. Keeton won't be there forever and the Aggies will
need more than what they signed to compete in the MWC.That being
said, hopefully the kids signed today (by all three teams) represent the state
well and enjoy injury-free careers.