Published: Wednesday, Feb. 6 2013 8:00 p.m. MST
Can we form this as a pro-life discussion? Certainly Governor Herbert and a
majority of the legislature are pro-life. And this gunky air is absolutely
harming (even killing) both the born and unborn. So can we appeal to the
pro-life side of Utah's government to do something substantive to improve
Utah's air quality?
I bet all of these people drove separate cars to this function. Way to make a
I don't think anyone on this board thinks clean air is a Democrat issue.
What are considered Democrat issues are *some* of the non-viable
"solutions" proposed. Worse yet, expecting that they don't have
personal responsibility--“We want him to step up and give us real world
solutions”; “We are sick of him pointing the finger at us”--is
also, rightly or wrongly, considered a Democrat issue. Republicans can be more
proactive at coming up with workable solutions that would not appeal to the
personal-liberty crowd, and Democrats can be more willing to take responsibility
for their own actions rather than expecting someone else to fix things for them.
‘Studies link air pollution to increased risk of strokes and
dementia’ – by Amy Joi O’Donoghue – Deseret news –
02/15/12 ‘SALT LAKE CITY — Three new studies that
underscore the link between bad air quality and significant health risks such as
stroke, heart attacks and dementia suggest there is no safe level of air
pollution and that more needs to be done to control the problem.’
'EPA inventory shows Utah's sources of greenhouse gas' - By Amy
Joi O'Donoghue - 02/05/13 - Published by the Deseret News
'WASHINGTON — The nation's power plants continue to be the
single largest stationary source of greenhouse gas emissions, according to new
information released Tuesday by the Environmental Protection Agency.'
These people who want the governor to fix the problem are fooling them selves,
wasting gas and creating more pollution to go to the capital to protest, and
wasting theirs and the press's time. The governor is not the source of the
pollution. It is all of us, and our cars, and our home heat.If these
people really cared, they would protest the drivers. Perhaps they could stay in
their own neighborhoods organizing carpools, or holding up signs by busy roads
saying things like:Is this trip really necessary?Please
share the unused seats in your car.Scrape, don't idle.Turn down your heat at home.Then they would be doing something
helpful.This protest is a spoiled child temper tantrum.
If all businesses went to rotaintg schedule like four 10's or nine 9's
we would eliminate many commute days from the Provo to SLC and Ogden to SLC
cummutes. Trust me the air would significantly improve. The reason this is not
being done is purely the refusal of businesses to do so.
Can we all stop assuming that people at the rally drove in individual cars? I
don't think that's fair or productive to a very important
If all businesses would go to rotaing schedules of four 10's or nine
9's and have alternate days off for employees we would see a significant
decrease in the number of commutes along the Wasatch Front. The air would
improve significantly. The reasons businesses won't do this is simply they
do not want to. The excuses run the gamut from increased liability to reduced
production from employees. All unproven and all just excuses. This is really an
easy fix and one that would strengthen the areas reputation for business.
Nothing that half of you moving off the Wasatch Front wouldn't cure. The
prison is the least polluting population and you waint to move it. Move the U
its populationi Is the most polluting.
I'm glad to hear that some people are planning on moving out, that will
help. but I wonder how many of those protesters drove their cars up to the
capitol in order to ask the government to solve this natural problem? Maybe
they could legislate on how much snow should fall during a given storm as well.
I have as solution!Since we do not have this problem in the middle
of the summer (when there are NO temperature inversions), let us take all the
mountains surrounding the Wasatch Front, and move them to Colorado. We could
become as flat as a Kansas prairie. Then magic happens – no more trapped
pollution in January because of temperature inversions.There –
I offered up a solution. Not a realistic one, but it is a solution. That is
one more solution than Carl Ingwall and his band of whiners offered up yesterday
at the Capitol.But that is about as realistic as moving the one
million new people living here since 1980 off the Wasatch Front who now
significantly add to the pollution problem. Maybe Carl and others believe that
all the Governor has to do is "spit in the wind" to make the pollution
go away.Here is a hint for Carl and his merry band of whiners:
Until we TOTALLY get off of using petroleum driven vehicles, there will be NO
realistic solution. That will NOT happen tomorrow AND will take decades to
solve.Feel better now, Carl? I certainly do.
I didn't realize the Gov. of Utah had the power to move the mountain ranges
when they get inconvient. Fascinating!!!
@SLC gal,Obviously you did not understand I am being facetious. Try
not to take yourself too seriously.
To all those who keep saying you bet they all drove individually. Afterward, rally participants said they made it to the event in a number of
ways — walking, public transit, carpooling and yes, some drove up
individually in their cars to rally about clean air.Sometimes if you
just read the whole article, instead of assuming, you learn something. Then you
don't look foolish when commenting. I'm betting that more
drove than not, but still it clearly states in the article that some found
alternative methods of transportation.
To "Believer2" you are wrong. We can change the geography. Look at
photos from 100 years ago of the area where Kennecott is currently located.
There used to be a mountain there.Maybe the solution is to have
Kennecott or another mining operation start an open pit mine and carve away a
mountain so that when an inversion begins it form, the cold air will
"drain" out of the valley?
Require all out of state BYU & UVU students to leave their personal cars at
home...We have a transit system!
I wonder how many of the protesters drove their cars to the state capital to be
part of the pointless effort?
VST: Have you considered that SLC gal's comment might also have been
facetious? Try not to take her too seriously...
'Amanda Smith,... said offering free public transit on bad air days may
“feel good,” but she wondered aloud at how effective it would
be...“Until we start to grasp that and change how we live our lives, we
are going to have an air quality problem,”'Some of the
"...how we live our lives" is government related. Public transit is not
feasible for private industry to sponsor, only for government. "Free fare
days" wouldn't necessarily help, either. It would just encourage more
people to get out and cram onto FrontRunner for entertainment purposes. There
needs to be a balance between making the fares more affordable than driving a
two-occupant car, and more convenient and accessible to more people. That will
cost money. I think it would be more affordable in the long run to have monthly
or yearly passes be especially bargain priced. That way, even if people
don't think they will ride very often they can feel better about buying the
convenience of the pass and perhaps get their money's worth.Having to drive your car and fill a parking slot all day to ride transit makes
little sense either.
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