Published: Wednesday, Feb. 6 2013 8:00 p.m. MST
The complainers really need to blame God, since it is His geologic formation of
our area that created the bowl which holds the inversions in place.But, most leftists do not believe in God, so I guess they will blame
Herbert doesn't lead. He follows....whatever business tells him to do.
There are a variety of possible solutions. Some will cost, some
will cost hardly anything.Just hoping people will "limit their
driving" is NOT a solution. (crosses fingers)CNG cars, free
UTA, higher taxes at the pump on polluted days are just a couple of ideas.Folks smarter than me probably have more.Problem is; Herbert
just issues "press releases" and hopes the issue goes away!
The idea that a complicated environmental problem that is two parts geography
and one part society, with the society element able to be further divided into a
plethora of culprits, can be solved by the simple stroke of the executive pen is
one of the great factors that has led to the modern day floundering of the
American Democratic-Republic.Too often left-leaning people smirk at
Republicans who claim to be the party of personal responsibility, but then these
"progressives" are the ones on the steps shouting, "Stop blaming
us," and asserting that absolutely nothing in this country can be solved
without increasing the scope and size of our government. I have only read of
one government in society that was able to force the type of societal change we
are discussing here, and that government did so with Centurions and
Legionnaires. No matter what issue we discuss it will always come down to
this--this country can only be saved within the walls of the average American
Home, and not in the halls Legislative hypocrisy.
“The governor does not have the authority to shut down a legally operating
business,” said Alan Matheson, Herbert’s environmental adviser and
one of several staff members made available Wednesday to counter the
criticism." Who is asking for that? Find a way to max out mass transit and
minimize car traffic, like odds and evens.
We should use caution before making big changes that ould impose tax and
business restrictions for a problem that exists for a few weeks each year, and
still might not solve the problem, which is largely due to geological conditions
that are unalterable.
Geography is only responsible for the inversions, the rest of pollution is less
complicated to solve than the governor pretends it to be.The state
and business and commuters will all have to be more tolerant of the weather and
natural weather road conditions but there is a way to greatly improve the snake
oil sales pitches the governor is offering without taxing gas or citizens to
excess.Our pollution in this valley is not emission related anymore,
that element has become irrelevant and California is proof of that.The particulate matter salt, mud, dirt, and excessive use of commercially
registered vehicles and vehicles used in business are not maintained to
standards and cleanliness when tracking mud onto the roads. Vehicles of 1 ton
and larger are granted loose emission standards and enforcment. The I-15 is the
base culprit of our pollution where salt in winter melts snow and ice to water
that traps dirt, mud, tire debris from drainage and high speed vehicles kick up
this debris like an old dusty desert roads in the summer. You can see these dust
clouds for miles and this is the same effect on our I-15 corridor.
I'm sorry, but this protest is nearly worthless, and folks like Mr. Ingwell
who shout tritely for solutions from heads of state who have no real authority
on the matter do nothing to help. We cause the air quality problem here, each
and every one of us who burns petroleum products to get around and heat our
homes. I dislike Governor Herbert's environmental record, but he can't
do much about this. It's pathetic that we willingly foul our
own nest during the inversions, but unless we completely shut down our normal
way of life for weeks at a time, it's inevitable. Shutting down refineries
& industry would help--some. But cost--a lot. Pubic transit is rather
inefficient for most of us and simply cannot get me where I need to go for work.
Drive I must. I despise the air quality around here but am pragmatic enough to
know that this place would have to grind to a halt to prevent it during these
multi-week inversions. God cursed this place in winter. If I or a
child of mine had a respiratory weakness, I would seriously consider moving out
of this state.
re: Marxist“The governor does not have the authority to shut
down a legally operating business,” -Who is asking for that?Carl Ingwell and company are asking for that. When they say "shut
down refineries when the air is bad" they are demanding that a legally
operating business is shut downn.
I have a home in the Heber Valley but am living in Beijing China right now. I
never thought much about air pollution until moving here. Believe me when I say
that you don't want air pollution to get out of hand. If it is getting
worse then measures need to be taken by private and public interest to curb it.
It is not the government's duty to clean it up. That is what is
supposed to be the difference between China and the USA. We the people are in
charge of the destiny of our country not the government. Let's not forget
it. If we the people are making the air dirty and if we the people really want
cleaner air then let's get on the stick and get it done. It is not entirely
correct to say that it is the mountains or whatever that causes it, is it? How
much pollution was there in 1847 or even 1947. Working together we can clean it
up by involving our government representatives not handing them the job and our
Do nothing. Please governor. Stick to your guns and do absolutely nothing.
Don't look to other states that have had similar problems and found
workable resolutions. Don't try to get any science based discussion around
atmospheric trends, causes, and possible preventative measures. Do nothing.
Please. Then see how many businesses start moving elsewhere over the
next five years. See how many businesses from out of state find Utah an
attractive place to bring their company. See how many people relocate to other
states for health reasons. See how many tourists continue to flock to Utah to
ski in the pretty grey snow.But by all means, please do nothing.
Don't even try.
What they didn't report was that ever single one of these protesters showed
up in their gasoline, diesel fuel cars and trucks.
We are planning to move from the Salt Lake area when we retire. We are tired of
having difficulty breathing. We live in an area where we can walk to stores,
schools, library, post office etc. The air is so nasty, it is difficult to
breath while walking.
I fail to understand why commenters on this board think clean air is a Democrat
issue. Shouldn't everyone be fighting for clean air? Shouldn't government regulators only allow refineries etc to operate on
good air days??Shouldn't government raise taxes on gasoline during
bad air days?Shouldn't government allow driving only on odd and even
days during high pollution times??Shouldn't private citizens refrain
from using their wood burning stoves during bad air days?Shouldn't
private citizens car pool on high pollution days?Shouldn't private
citizens leave their cars in the garage on bad air days?It seems
that so many fail to see that this air is killing us. So many in Utah are
against smoking a cigarette now and then, but for some reason they feel
it's ok if they breathe in this air 24/7???
“We want clean air NOW!” or we’re going to stomp our feet and
call you names. No “real world solutions” were provided by the
group. Just a lot of whining, name calling and finger pointing. Blasted Governor
anyway...The statistics presented at the "whine in" show
that 57 percent of the air pollution is caused by vehicles, 32 percent comes
from area sources such as small businesses, homes and other sources. Only 11%
from local industry. Yet the complainers are “tired of Herbert telling
people to get out of their cars and laying the problem on the doorstep of
individuals, when more action and leadership is needed from him.”Like it or not, until we the people change our personal lifestyles, the
problem will continue. Geography promises that.How about the
loudest complainers come up with some real viable solutions. Something
concrete. More than just a nebulous "increase taxes and shut down
industry". Lay out a specific plan and then present it, like grownups. Do
something constructive with it. Do some real homework and get the support of
those around you, but with a viable solution, not for a whine fest.
@DN Subscriber: Boy, I'd really like to see the statistics about most
"leftists" not believing in God!
The state certainly has had no problem inserting itself into private business
affairs in other areas of public health. It has required all businesses to
exclude smoking customers from their premises. It has forced restaurants to
make expensive architectural modifications to prevent children from being
exposed to the corrupting sight of cocktail preparation. It has even socialized
an entire sector of the economy to control liquor distribution and sales.
(Another state, Kansas, has gone as far as dictating the dimensions of rooms and
thermostat setttings of abortion providers.) The precedents are there. The
issue is not whether the state can intervene in private enterprise to protect
public health. That has been shown. It is all about political will and whose
interests are to be protected, public health or business?Why
don't we adopt the state's air quality strategy of voluntary
compliance and apply it to other issues? Instead of laws against bank robbery,
we could just encourage people not to rob banks (at least on days when there are
have been excessively high numbers of robberies). Instead of having legal
limits on blood alcohol levels for drivers, we could just ask people not to
I am appalled by the laissez faire attitudes on this page. Is Utah's
geography different? Yes. And do these differences cause the bad air quality?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! We do. Can't we all see that what we are doing to our
planet offends God? We are killing ourselves by not changing our lifestyle. We
are destroying nature. Until we start seeing our polluting actions as sinful, I
fear things will continue to get worse.
Re: ". . . she wondered aloud at how effective it would be at getting people
out of their cars and actually changing their personal ethic."Who is she to even wonder how best to force us out of our cars?That's the real problem with liberals in government. They can't
discuss, persuade, even harangue, with considering the next step -- who to FORCE
their will on us.
Public transit is not, and will never be as convenient as driving yourself.
However personal vehicle use is where the most effect can be achieved. In this
electronic age many people could work from home, and I believe significant
improvement could be made if business were encouraged/required/rewarded to allow
them to do so.
Question: How did these protesters get to the rally? Did they ride bikes or
take mass transit? No, they came in a bunch of cars - probably very old cars
getting poor mpg since this was basically a bunch of unemployed college kids -
on a red air quality day. In other words, their response to the call to avoid
unnecessary driving was....to do a bunch of unnecessary driving. Way to
preserve our air quality, guys!
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