Take that Vegasute, cuz everyone takes duck hunter seriously! LOL
@vegas uteThat was a really weak reply. You need to do better than
that if you want to be taken seriously.
Ducky - I am not on here " bragging about how great utah's recruits
are" like you so clearly stated. I am only on here getting my kicks out of
trollers who have nothing to be proud of on their own stories so they obsess
over Utah stories. Cheap entertainment."Since I am the one
based in reality" - Where is Fangupo?? "For that I LOL! at you."Go Utes!!
@vegasI don't care about star rankings, you do. It doesn't
matter to me what anyone is ranked. I just enjoy mocking utah "fans"
like yourself about it. You are here bragging about how great utah's
recruits are when in reality they are just middle tier, based on your precious
star rankings, and bottom of the pac12 based on the same. For that I LOL! at
you.Since I am the one based in reality I aknowldege that
whittingham has done a good job of recruiting coachable, and improvable, talent,
so I give him the benefit of the doubt in his assessments.For the
3rd time I am going to quote him from an article in the trib. Obviously he
considers utah "fans" love affair with star ranlking sto be a bit of a
joke which means he consisders you personally to be a bit of a joke."While the Utes didn't land any so called four-star athletes, which
might cause some fans to be concerned, Whittingham isn't. "We don’t pay attention to all that," he said. "We recruit
with our eyes and our ears and do our own evaluations and assessments."
@ Ducky - "even BYU got at least 1 top recruit, yet utah didn't get
any. If the star rankings are from 1 star to 5 stars that makes 3 stars middle
of the road, pretty much average doesn't it?"Utah four
stars: Rivals, 1; ESPN, 2; 247, 3. Cherry pick much?And if 3 star
is average, what does that say about ESPN ranking 8 byU recruits at 2 star
(which by your standards would mean less than average) and a whopping 10
recruits with no ranking whatsoever? That is WELL over half the recruiting
class!! Oh, but congrats on that "1 top recruit". You better hope he
can play more than just OL!You are too funny!! Keep up the
entertainment!Where is Fangupo??
Duckhunter:"So are you running around Philly, wearing a bunch of
utah gear shouting 'we're 48th, we're 48th!' at the top of
your lungs?"Nope, but then again, I'm a UTAH fan/alumnus.
Not a Y fan. I'm not that frantic and emotional. But what about you? Are
YOU running around Utah County wearing a bunch of cougar togs shouting
"we're 71st, we're 71st!", or "we out-recruited
La-Lafayette, we out-recruited La-Lafayette!"?P.S.: Last I
checked, Rivals had Utah at #42; not #48. Scout ranked us higher than 48th as
well. Don't be so frantic and emotional.
It's all relative. A team can be "ranked" #120 in overall
recruiting, and still have a very successful recruiting class. If they address
their most pressing talent needs, and if the signees help to improve the overall
team, wouldn't that be a success? Wouldn't the coach then state that
he was happy with what they had accomplished? Even if that class was
"ranked" significantly lower than previous years?Couldn't the same be said for BYU or any other team as well? If BYU can
improve their team, and get guys that meet the schools standards and goals,
isn't that a successful recruiting class?The reality is none of
the UT teams are dominant when it comes to recruiting "rankings". At the
end of the day what matters is that your team can compete - not necessarily win
all games, but be competitive. I think all of the UT teams have done very well
in that category. If a team can finish the season ranked higher than their
average (5yr avg) recruiting rank, then they have been successful. I think the
UT3 have all done that consistently. Well done coaches.
Haha Duck. Other responding to you when have I said anything about stars? What
have I said that was "hyporcritical" or "unreasonable?" For us true "fans" hope springs eternal, especially in the
springtime. Sometimes reality bites us in the fall. There is
nothing wrong with getting excited about recruiting. It's fun to look at
an occasional recruits tape and see what they did in highschool and hope they
can bring some of that to your team. Maybe you need to lighten up a
little and laugh more (and LOL less?).
navalSo are you running around Philly, wearing a bunch of utah gear
shouting "we're 48th, we're 48th!" at the top of your
For those of you, like naval and magna, I only point out the regression to
highlight the hypocrisy of utah "fans" like yourselves. Personally I do
not claim to know how good any of these kids are, or aren't. But I do find
it funny that you guys are talking about how much it is improving when by YOUR
OWN stated criteria, stars, utah regressed substantially from a year ago.
I'm using your stated unit of measurement, not mine.For the
rest of you like like Soonerute and Gdog that were somewhat realistic in your
assessments I actually agree with most of your points. The more pertinent thing
to go off of is whittingham's track record of developing talent. The truth
is some of these recruits will turn into very good players and some will not but
based off of the fact that almost every one of them is ranked exactly the same
it proves the point that these star rankings are simply bogus, the clowns that
make the rankings really don't know. whittingham's ability to develop
guys tells me more than any internet nerds rankings.
Classic Duck. "Star ratings don't mean a thing! By the way, your
rankings have fallen. That just proves that I am right!"
Duxkhunter:Rivals rated WR Andre Lewis with 4-stars. Fail.Utah's 2013 class ranked right about where it was back during our final
few years in the MWC, and with last year's #28 recruiting class, it's
clear our jump up to the Pac-12 didn't hurt our ability to attract a Top-50
class.On the other hand, YOUR recruiting classes had demonstrated a
substantial regrssion from your MWC days. Ad YOU'RE laughing at US?
Typical hypocritical coug. I love your insecurity and desperation.
I think Kyle has done a fairly good job of evaluating talent most the time. He
has also developed a good number of players for the NFL. The fluxuation of
coaches and their youth (BJ) is concerning. I have mixed feelings on Erickson
but he could be a good short time fix relative to helping Johnson and Roderick.
The offense is suspect again and the defense is replacing a good number of
starters from last year.
@DuckhunterAnswering your question: Speaking for myself, it's
not exhilarating. It might be for some Ute fans, but I get the impression from
most that it's a hope springs eternal approach. Utah did drop
in the rankings from last year. You point that yet claim the star rankings are
subjectively for nerds. I don't put all my stock in stars, few
who have awareness of their inconsistencies do. However percentages relative to
solid players do increase with more stars. In all it's a crab shoot. The
coaches evaluations are at stake more than the stars they recruit. Also, how do
they develop them? Anyway, it's noticeable to me that you point
out Utah's drop from last year in recruiting rankings when I believe BYU
had a drop off themselves. It won't matter if both coaches made the right
choices and develop their guys right? Utah DID NOT have a couple of
4 star splash guys but the abundance of three star guys will hopefully pay off
for my Utes. We'll see.Bronco has done well molding his guys
usually. Anae and his offense is huge next year for you. Will it pan out?
"If the star rankings are from 1 star to 5 stars that makes 3 stars middle
of the road, pretty much average doesn't it?"I don't know,
but I don't believe rankings are equally distributed, with the same number
of 5 stars as one stars. With 100+ D1 schools, there should be a lot of
"average" players out there, and you don't see a large number of 3
star players in the rankings (Rivals, anyway)."So how come
getting a bunch of middle of the road averageness is so exhilarating?I
really don't get it."Recruit rankings are overblown -- look
at what Utah's lowly recruits did to Alabama's 5 star crop in the
Sugar Bowl -- but the off-season sport of recruit ranking is here to stay. For
Utah fans, it represents a visable reinforcement to the idea that moving to the
PAC12 meant access to better recruits. Highly rated? No, but better than our
MWC days.Rankings are of little use to BYU. MWC, Independent, or
back to the MWC, they will always recruit the same players year after year. I
see why you don't "get" the excitement, when nothing changes for
When a school is high in the recruiting rankings, the fans emphasize recruiting
rankings. When a school is not, the fans try to downplay the accuracy of
recruiting rankings. It's how the world works and it happens regardless of
school affiliation. Don't pretend, Duckhunter, that BYU "fans"
don't do the same thing. We're all humans with biases.If
you look past the ratings and look at the players' individual stats,
methinks there's a lot to be excited about in this class. Whether or not
the Utes reach their potential with these guys is a different conversation (one
about coaching), but there's nothing wrong with being excited about a group
of incoming players that are demonstrably taller, faster, and bigger than what
we have currently.
Now I'm not one that puts much, if any, stock in recruit rankings. A bunch
of internet nerds thinking they are talent evaluators and then actually ranking
kids abilities just makes me laugh. But that said utah had a double digit drop,
about 20 places actually, in their recruit rankings from last year to this year
yet utah "fans" are telling us how their recruiting has
"improved" and how great it is. Correct me if I am wrong but based on
the utah "fan" bible of star rankings isn't that a regression?utah didn't get any highly rated recruits, not one, even BYU got at
least 1 top recruit, yet utah didn't get any. If the star rankings are from
1 star to 5 stars that makes 3 stars middle of the road, pretty much average
doesn't it?So how come getting a bunch of middle of the road
averageness is so exhilarating?I really don't get it.
It would be very nice if some of these men could be immediate impact players,
for most of them it will take anywhere from 2-6 years to really judge this class
of recruits. If we look at the ratings of the PAC 12, the Utes had the tenth
rated recruiting class. (per ESPN) This means the Utes have to have some diamond
in the ruff finds,develop some lesser rated talent or already have some players
in the system.
Signing day fared very successful for us. I do think Coach Whitt needs to focus
on what we can do to make our game plan more solid and our coaches more sure of
themselves. I also agree last year was a fluke. Each game we lost, with the
exception of Arizona State, we had a very real chance to win. If we can just
get that confidence boost up, we can really capitalize off of all the talent we
Utah has had good recruiting classes over the last 3-4 years. I'm very
optimistic and certainly think last year was just; one of those seasons. Utah
lost a fair amount of talent this year; so let's hope we are not
rebuilding; just reloading.GO UTES!
I like the sound of all that speed. I think the late additions of the linemen
are a big boost.
Nice additions to the team and staff. Well done, coach.