Note, too, that BYU was an institution long before ANY of the present-day
neighbors arrived. You moved to Provo knowing what you were living alongside. If
you don't like the University exercising its property rights in a way that
inconveniences you, you're free to leave. The school isn't going to
move to simplify your life.
Good for BYU. If I had neighbors using my driveway as a thruway, I'd block
it off, too. Nobody should be on Campus Drive who doesn't have business
with the school. If you're not student, staff, or a visitor with a
legitimate purpose, you don't belong on campus. There've been too many
accidents -- some of them fatal -- on that road. Pedestrians deserve safe
to EastCoastcoug:I lived in Monroe/Trumble for several years in Ct.
Traffic not a problem there! Freeways every which way, and quiet country roads
all over...9th East is a nightmare now...these changes need to be open and
honest. They are talking about 9th East having to be considered, but so far the
public have not been informed nor updated. Communication friend, it is sorely
lacking at BYU and Provo...remember they were going to turn the entire south of
campus into no roads and walking areas? That idea died when the reality of the
nightmare traffic was taken into account.
I will propose to Provo City to discontinue all roads going to BYU by 50 feet.
I'm with eastcoastcoug on this one. Unless something has changed
drastically since I moved away 6 years ago.... which I have not seen on my
visits back .... the only actual bad traffic on 9th East is following football
and basketball games. Plus, since students have to live within a certain radius
of campus, walking (in a wonderfully walkable town) to campus is not a big deal.
I lived for 4 years as an undergrad without a car. Since I first
moved to Provo in 1990, BYU has been constantly changing the campus. It has
always resulted in a more beautiful campus. The improvement of the campus,
improves the city.Also, Fresno State does not have roads through it.
So, this is not an odd thing for BYU to do.
I think many people misunderstand - BYU owns this road and various others around
campus, they are not public roads. BYU allows public access to it most of the
year (they actually shut it down once a year, usually on Christmas day, simply
to ensure it cannot be claimed as a public road).I admit, change is
hard, especially if you are an impacted neighbor, but my impression is that BYU
is a boon to the town. Most people living next to campus choose to do so because
of campus, not in spite of it, and with that choice comes some discomfort at
times. We all deal with it in our own neighborhoods. It sounds like some re-work
of surrounding roads is certainly in order.
happymomto9,True of students at any campus I have ever visited
Closing Campus Drive to through traffic will force many more cars onto 700 and
800 north that skirt the south end of campus. Like 900 East these roads are
already dangerous places for pedestrians. The proposed changes will certainly
make the BYU campus more beautiful and pedestrian friendly, but it will increase
the danger to pedestrians and bikers (including me)who approach BYU from the
south. The proposed plan should address these needs with assurances that Provo
City will install traffic lights or bridges at pedestrian crossing on 700 and
800 north between 100 and 700 East. Maybe BYU could donate the
soon-to-be-demolished pedestrian bridge that leads to the law school!
We have an inversion and a plan that could help reduce emissions by eliminating
driving is being scoffed at? Typical Provo thinking. The U has a
shuttle. Just saying....
The campus is our world and we simply love it here.
Even though I graduated from, and still root for the U., I support the right of
BYU to do what they want with their campus, without regard to the demands of
neighbors who bought their houses well after BYU was established, and who enjoy
high property values and thriving nearby businesses because of BYU's
presence. (I used to live in a house within earshot of The Palace, so I'm
familiar with the area.)
As someone who HASN'T lived in Utah their whole life (like most of the
complainers), I wholeheartedly concur. The residents in Utah cities are so used
to their well-planned, well-regulated roads that they can't understand the
concept of real traffic. When I went to BYU, I delivered pizzas, so I can
attest to the "traffic." Now, compare Provo to Los Angeles, or Chicago,
or Boston, or DC -- or even Omaha, where traffic isn't really that bad --
get out of Utah and see the world -- and you'll see what REAL traffic is
like. The primary duty of the BYU administrators is the safety and well-being
of their students and visitors, and secondary, to the surrounding community.
I'm sorry that you can't cut through campus anymore (which is PRIVATE
PROPERTY). If you've seen other campuses, like the U of Iowa, some are
scattered all around the city; it's horrible. And if my children attend the
school, I'm glad that the Y is genuinely concerned with their safety.
Ditto on the higher property values, demand for services, etc; you can't
have your cake and eat it, too.
Some of the people putting negative comments on this board really need a hobby.
Seriously people, BYU is going to do what is best for their campus and students.
If you don't like it, DON'T GO THERE!
Interesting how a couple people purportedly from Orem, who live nowhere near
BYU, and some dude or dudette from Cache Valley who doesn't have a dog in
this fight, feel the need to complain or vent on a matter in which they have no
voice or interest. BYU will do what is best for its campus and students. Some of
us may get to benefit from their decisions. Just sayin'.
when are they going to teach a class on pedestrian etiquette?byu students
act like they own the roads on and around campus.
@CWEBMy kids go to BYU and I have tons of family living there,
including just off 9th East where the traffic would be impacted by this change.
Chill a little. I just crack up hearing you all act like you have
such major traffic issues. I've driven down 9th East during "Rush
Hour" and it's maybe a few extra minutes at each light. At least you
have 4 driving lanes and turning lanes. I guess if you grow up in Provo and see
the incremental change it is a big deal. For those of us in or near cities with
real traffic problems, we can't understand the fuss. You are welcome to
come here and help us out with your ideas on our traffic. I think you will gain
an appreciation for how good you have it. I just think it's
silly to act like BYU is acting purely out of selfish interests (which they have
a right to do) and have an obligation to provide a thru way for Provo City
traffic. I don't want my kids or elderly parents (who frequent the campus)
run down by some late-to-work commuter cutting through.
@Dennis,You read it . . . and commented on it.
Putting a couple of "roundabouts" on campus is "BIG" news. And
someone took the time to actually write this story?
I love how those who live "somewhere else, and do not have to work, drive
and digest this place love to comment on how we should not voice our concerns.
Especially Mr. Danbury CT, who is surrounded by freeways, and who also enjoys no
bill boards because they outlawed them. Mr CT, how about you let Provoans
legislate your city?
UTA tried to buy Campus Drive for their Bus Rapid Transit(BRT). BYU refused.
My guess is that someone in UTA threatened eminent domain, to which BYU told UTA
to get lost, and BYU started this plan to close Campus Drive. These
roads around campus will need to be widened for additional lanes quicker then
originally planned. -9th east from Uni. Parkway to State Street UTA
proably won't get exclusive right of way for their BRT anymore) -University Parkway-University Avenues-22nd North-8th
North-7th North-Center Street may be restriped to its previous 4
lanes.-Possibly extend Canyon Road to 8th North All of theses
projects which are accelerated by closing Campus Drive will probably cost $100 - 200 million which will be paid for by taxpayers in Provo, Utah County,
and the state of Utah for state roads. Perhaps BYU grew tired of Campus Drive
being used as an arterial highway for Provo with all the resulting accidents and
fatalities, and other maintenance costs. This plan will certainly move those
off campus onto the neighboring arterials and residential streets.
Two thoughts:I was chagrined when I first saw the plan. It kind of
split commuters to campus into two halves on the east and west of campus. But
then I walked down from the Harmon Building (about 700 E. University Parkway) to
the Wilkinson Center in just nine minutes! That means most of the main campus
will be accessible in five minutes or even less. Not bad really for the beauty
it will create.Still, there are no cross walks or ways to cross
University Parkway between the Marriott Center and 900 E. It is already
dangerous and will become more so for pedestrians and cars trying to cross the
road.. And the intersection at 900 E. and University Parkway will need a major
rethink. It already gets jammed (especially turning left from Univ. Parkway to
900 E.) big time during peak times. The city engineers better get busy figuring
it out, because it will be a mess.
I doubt BYU planning professionals and the General Authorities take time in
their day to "do whatever they can do to make the lives of the residents who
live here more difficult they will do it." Really? They aren't good
neighbors? Maybe residents who don't like living in a college town could
move to a more valuable, isolated property.
Boo!! Worst idea ever! How can they close down Campus Drive? 9th East is
congested enough. Not to mention the UTA bus route that will have to be
completely changed. Why does BYU think walking everywhere is what people want?!
Newsflash: We don't want to walk places! We want to be able to drive up
next to the buildings, get out of our cars, and go directly inside. We already
have to walk far enough! They should be building more roads, not closing the few
ones we have down.
Those of us who live east of BYU campus are increasingly sequestered by the
University's non-porous traffic strategy. As Provo residents, that means
that we increasingly foot the bill for BYU's traffic and congestion. Our
city representatives must be asleep at the switch.
This is exciting. I work on BYU campus and I am excited about their efforts to
constantly improve the campus and beautify it. These will be nice changes.
While at BYU I was dangered more by the campus trucks that drive on campus than
any of the bikes or cars that commute around it.
why not underground traffice to only pedestrians which would be less people at
current above ground location which would make sense and less expensive. I
hardly see very many people go over the sky bridge unless they are all law
students, so yes take it down. Many students travel through Wilkensen Center
from weather and it would do good to have undergrand pedestrians traffic. This
is too expensive.
I love those old pics of the BYU campus when there are no houses to be seen for
quite a distance. Those who own homes near BYU likely enjoy a higher market
value due to its proximity. Change is a constant (Deseret Towers???) and there
should be little surprise when it occurs. However, NIMBY is a real issue and
there will always be those who complain about anything they perceive to have a
negative impact on them. Fortunately, boards like this exist to provide the
complainers a place to vent...which is what I am doing about those folks who are
complaining about BYU. So there!
We have two entities here: BYU campus and Provo City. BYU is not obligated to
provide a high-speed thru-way for commuters. That's the point of the
project - make people slow down or go around the campus so students and visitors
can walk places more safely. Europe shut down major parts of its city centers
and created pedestrian zones. It increased foot traffic and made those places
more liveable. It's not all about the cars, people. Go look at most
campuses around the country and they do the same. My kids go to BYU
and we visit throughout the year. I'm pleased to see more consideration for
pedestrians. My loyalty is not based, however, on traffic patterns. I love the
place for how well it lives up to its mission. I will never change that.
without BYU, Provo has a lot less going for it, so although its smart for BYU to
consider how their changes effect the outlying community it would be silly for
them to elevate the opinions of a few vocal opponents up to be a primary
Not sure how 9th East isn't going to become MUCH more of a nightmare...it
already is. I'd like to see some real details about what they are going to
do to alleviate the 900 East problem, that already exists, before they route
even more traffic around the neighborhoods there. I think the public deserves
some input sometimes, and not just, "hey, guess what people...we're
going to......" This is not how most cities work. What happens in the
middle of campus, not a big concern, but when it affects public roads around
campus, then, a different story. Can we get some insight before approvals and
plans are set in concrete? They likely already are.
BYU likes to find different ways to aggravate the residents that live
permanently around it's campus. The church tries to be a good neighbor
everywhere around the world except in Provo. Whatever they can do to make the
lives of the residents who live here more difficult they will do it. I went to BYU and it is harder to give my loyalty to a school that ignores the
residents and the problems created by their decisions. They teach the
principles of being a good neighbor but forget to practice those same
And drop the entrance GPA to 3.0
Sweet.Now lets build 3 more BYU's
This new plan is a joke and does not accomplish what they say. Moving the main
bus stop to 900 east makes students walk a lot farther. It also will create
more congestion during football and basketball games and graduation. This change will also frustrate a lot of residential people who use that road
to get through BYU. This will not make BYU more popular. BYU is
becoming the neighbor that only thinks of themselves.