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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 6 2013 3:30 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Here is a harsh reality for liberals. No, we aren't equal. Exactly 0 women have ever played in the NBA or NFL. And no, its not because they discriminate.

Often, screams are equality are poor attempts by liberals to get others to support behavior we simply wont, because its wrong.

Take gay relationships. No, they aren't equal as straight relationships. No, we won't support them.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . the right for women to kill and be killed in battle, equal to men. The lawyer can hardly oppose this."

Here's a lawyer opposing it. Combat is simply not an appropriate forum in which to conduct experiments in political equality.

Combat has but a single exigency -- rendering the enemy ineffective and incapable of inflicting harm, by threat or display of superior and overwhelming violence, if possible, by unflinching application of superior and overwhelming violence, as necessary.

Contemplative sociopolitical discussion may be, and should be, illuminated by combat necessity. But, beyond logistic support, and the setting the bounds of acceptable violence in combat engagements, such discussions cannot hope to meaningfully intervene in the physical correspondence of combat, given the enemy's inalienable and inevitable vote in the process.

Just as courts have wisely recognized their inappropriateness as a forum for deciding political questions, wise politicians recognize equal inappropriateness of combat as a forum for such questions, or as a laboratory for social engineering.

The not-so-wise politician should initiate planning for a militarily defeated America.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal
"The not-so-wise politician should initiate planning for a militarily defeated America."

That would be impossible. We spend 5x as much as second place China, have the highest gun/person ratio in the world, and have no world powers less than an ocean away from us.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

If you are against equality, what do you stand for?

Inequity.

I choose to stand for something else...

George
Bronx, NY

Sad that the article writer has such a rudicous narrow view of why people choose to engage in secular marriage, Fortunatly he does not get to define for the rest of us why we are married. What a sad and myopic world he has created for himself.

George
Bronx, NY

@chris b
I think you mean no you will not support them.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

Talk about your straw man arguments. The authors attempt at defining secular marriage borders on comical.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

The world is evolving and moving on, and society is no longer willing to allow the self-appointed Morality Police to dictate how the rest of us should live. It's no real surprise that Deseret News repeatedly chooses to respond to this by pouting and making straw man arguments...

DougS
Oakley, UT

Equality? How do you make the apple equal to the orange? You couldn't even get all apples or oranges equal to each other. Why keep trying to mix oil and water? Men and women are different.. Viva la difference!

As for homosexual marriage.. Show me one that can produce off-spring on lts own.. Marriage was meant for "family" and two do not make a family.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

"Maybe there is more to my reluctance than the accumulation of prejudice."

No, actually, that's pretty much all you've got. Everything else you offer is empty hand-waving.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

I think; for anything to be sacred it has to have a purpose. Hope for the future.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT
Here is a harsh reality for liberals. No, we aren't equal. Exactly 0 women have ever played in the NBA or NFL. And no, its not because they discriminate.

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Lifting the "ban" doesn't force women into combat roles - it only removes a pseudo barrier.
Before - a woman could not even TRY, this just opens the opportunity.
The same rules now apply, regardless of race, gender, religion and sexual orientation.

You probably are against female cops and Highway patrol officer too.

If you really don';t like women in combat --
Enlist in the military.

I grow ever so tired of opinions from men who never "manned" up for the job themselves.

As for gay marriage --
You all fought against legal Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships.
But by refusing to compromising, you upped the anti to all-or-nothing.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"You know, I was married for 23 years to the love of my life and he died 6 years ago. I think of all the wonderful years we had and the wonderful fringe benefits of having 3 beautiful children. I don’t miss the sex, and to me that’s kind of what this boils down to. I don’t miss that… I mean I certainly miss it, but it’s certainly not the aspect of that relationship, that incredible bond I had with that human being, that I really really genuinely wish I still had. And so I just think to myself: how could I deny anyone the right to have that incredible bond with another individual in life. To me it seems almost cruel.

And someone made the comment that this is not about equality. Well yes it is about equality. And why in the world would be not allow those equal rights for individuals who are truly committed to one another in life to be able to show that in the way of a marriage....."

(R-Washington State Representative Maureen Walsh explaining her vote to support same-sex marriage)

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

You know you don't have to look very far to see the research that marriage and the purpose for marriage has changed over the last few hundred years. "The purpose" for marriage is no longer to have a family. It may well be a consequence or a goal of marriage but it's no longer the purpose. "The purpose" of marriage in modern times is love. Marriage allows two people who love one another to commit themselves to the each other in a formal way. To the author love and sex are not the same thing. Sex may be apart of a marriages love but it certainly isn't the same thing, so to equate a secular marriage with sex is just plain wrong.

To DougS... Marriage was meant for family so basicly if you can't produce a family you don't have a right to marriage..you really don't want to open up that can do you? Besides like the research shows, todays marriages are not "menat" for families, they are "meant" for love.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

DougS
"Equality? How do you make the apple equal to the orange? You couldn't even get all apples or oranges equal to each other. Why keep trying to mix oil and water? Men and women are different.. Viva la difference!

As for homosexual marriage.. Show me one that can produce off-spring on lts own.. Marriage was meant for "family" and two do not make a family."

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Doug, Equality come with choices. Both sexes will have the right to choose. There will still be limitations on who can serve on the battlefront, but taking away the right of women to choose is wrong, especially since they are serving, fighting and dying right now. Give those few who want to and can pass the test the choice. What is wrong with that?

Gays want the same marriage that older couples can receive. These couples cannot bear children yet are given all the rights and privileges that a couple who can are given. Or they want the same marriage that a couple who is infertile has...or a couple who decide not to have children are given. Why can't gays have these kinds of marriages?

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT
Here is a harsh reality for liberals. No, we aren't equal. Exactly 0 women have ever played in the NBA or NFL. And no, its not because they discriminate

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Chris, you must be very young. Anne Meyers signed with the Indiana Pacers in 1979. Please get your mind around the idea that equality = choice and opportunity.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Dear author, thank you for your view. It's wrong.

Bloodhound
Provo, UT

The mania for equality has produced some incredibly stupid ideas over the last few years. The inability to tell the difference between men and women is simply one manifestation. Throw out the words "choice," "equality," and "non-discriminatory" and reason goes out the window for many people. I have no doubt it is just a matter of time before liberals will want laws passed to protect pedophiles and thieves. They will argue that anyone who doesn't approve of pedophiles working with children is a hater and anyone who doesn't believe thieves should be hired by banks is closed minded. Simple insanity! The madness of political correctness.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Lane Myer,

Your female hero who signed a contract never played one second in an NBA game.

Sorry. Fail.

DougS
Oakley, UT

Mariage is all about Love? To me, Love is more than sex. Homosexual relations are all about sex. They have been doing it for years without marriage even mentioned. What grounds would they use in the event of "divorce"?

I really don't see where "choice" has anything to do with equality except, perhaps, to an empty mind so infused with indoctrination that "choice" is whatever they have been taught.

BTW.. I served 21 years in the Navy and feel somewhat qualified to comment on women in combat situations. What was your experience for comment?

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