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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 6 2013 7:30 a.m. MST

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BlueCoug
Orem, UT

I'm excited about all of the talented players officially joining the BYU football program today and wish them much success and many happy memories during their time at BYU.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Here's a little reality check on the whole stars system.

Of the 32 5-star recruits in the entire country in 2002, how many of them eventually became first-round draft picks in the NFL?

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Here's a clue:

Of the 22 players on the All PAC 12 team for 2012, there were

ZERO 5-stars and only SEVEN 4-stars; FIFTEEN of them 22 were 3- and 2-star recruits.

Keep that in mind when you start spewing all of your starry-eyed hyperbole about this year's recruiting class.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Rockwell,

Why dont you look up the last 10 years of National Champions and see how their recruiting classes were in the years leading up to them winning that national championship.

I'm going to go out on a limb and claim they had better recruiting classes than byu.

Coincidence you think that they won national championships and you struggled to win WAC championships?

Gorum The Old
Madison, AL

Thomas Shoaf was stated as running a 4.76 40 yard dash in this article. Does anyone know if that is a real 40 time? If it is this kid is fast. To put it into perspective, in the 2012 NFL combine, only ONE offensive lineman had a 40 time that was faster. In fact there were only 3 total who ran it in under 5 seconds. In fact that 4.76 was the 5th fastest time among TEs in the combine.

Either this kid is one athletic lineman, or deseret news needs to be a bit more thurough in its fact checking.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Rockwell

Don't worry about it. Because of the star system emphasis, there are going to be shots taken. But that's nothing new. What you want as a BYU fan is for these recruits to fit into the BYU mold. That is what will validate Bronco's search for "the BYU guy".

I do place some value on stars, but it is far from an exact science. Plus BYU players often have more talent than their stars indicate because the star value drops off with mission commitments. That shouldn't matter to the BYU fan because that is what they want from their players (missions). Success on the field is key.

I pay attention somewhat to the signing day thing, but I try to take it with a a dose of unknown reality (whatever that means).

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

@Rockwell - And it make sense why Bronco M. doesn't care about how many star players they are as long they show him on the field who they are. I am sure Broco stlll like to see those Walkon Players. The question here are those players already signed the intent that they will play 2013 and the others who didn't sined (or Shake hand offer) that they will start their mission after their H.S. finished (turned 18) and when done with their mission and then singed the Intent?

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Even as a Ute fan I agree that star rankings can be silly. Kind of like top 25 polls to be fair. Some Utah fans take shots at the star value of BYU recruits. It's ammunition. BYU fans take shots at Utah fans when BYU is in the top 25.

Here is food for thought for a small number of BYU fans. If you are against the BCS and star system rankings, maybe you should think being against the heisman and polls as well. Is it not all just a beauty pageant and popularity contest?

You see, too many red and blue fans take stock in the glamour that benefits them and mock the glitz of the other rival. As a Ute fan I am grateful to be in the PAC 12 but I can't stand BCS elitism. I also laugh at star rankings drama.

Things should be decided on the field and not with judges. What is this gymnastics? It's like hey, we are good because the scouts, coaches, media, and college presidents said we are. A playoff eliminates some of this. The other goes when we stop caring about 'the Hollywood type of 'Academy Awards' for football.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Great looking class so far. Getting a lot of great looking athletes. Very excited about the Juco players, it seems they'll be a great addition quickly.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Chris B

The PAC 10.2 has won ZERO BCS National Championships, and the Trojans have a Top 10 recruiting class every year.

I'm going out on a limb here predicting that the Utes will NEVER have a better recruiting class than USC.

Keep your WAC smack to yourself. If the sorry Utes had beaten the only WAC team that they played last season, U wouldn't have spent bowl week watching bowls from the comfort of your parent's couch in the basement.

Y71
COLLEGE STATION, TX

"Stars" are a joke and a gimmick for the recruiting service business. I have watched 5-star players in Texas drop in their rating the moment they commit to a school other than Texas, LSU, or Alabama. All of a sudden they weren't that good any more.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

I know that you're dying to know, so here's the answer to:

"Of the 32 5-star recruits in the entire country in 2002, how many of them eventually became first-round draft picks in the NFL?"

THREE!

That's correct. Less than 10% of those "can't miss" 5-star recruits went on to be NFL 1st round draft picks. Is it any wonder then, that so many great college players started their college careers with only a 2- or 3-star rating?

As for the inane comments of our always entertaining little fan from the hill, Star Lotulelei was only a 3-star recruit and Dennis Pitta was a 0-star, walk on.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

They are all at least six stars in my books.

Mildred in Fillmore
Salt Lake City, UT

Stars don't matter. What matters is on the field performance and that is where BYU excels.

Every year.

papi_chulo
Ogden, UT

@Gorum The Old

Thomas Shoaf was stated as running a 4.76 40 yard dash in this article. Does anyone know if that is a real 40 time? If it is this kid is fast.

--This is my friends younger brother and yes, he really is that fast. He is one of the most athletic lineman I have ever watched and I hope that he can build his strength and keep up his speed at BYU and he will be a great asset for the team.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

gdog3finally

Comparing the stars recruit ranking system with the college football polls is a little silly.

The polls only have to rank 120 teams and poll voters have abundant opportunities to observe and grade the top 30 or 40 teams throughout the season.

That's a far different animal from the recruiting services trying to rank tens of thousands of football recruits based mainly on second-hand reports and video highlights. Not only that, but it's a proven fact that the number of stars is highly influenced by which teams are recruiting a certain player. It's not at all uncommon for a 2-star recruit to suddenly become a 4-star recruit simply because a team like USC starts showing interest.

DaveKnowsWhatsUp
Bloomington, IN

Earnest, you actually made me laugh today. Thanks

gdog3finally-"I pay attention somewhat to the signing day thing, but I try to take it with a a dose of unknown reality (whatever that means). Probably the best comment I've seen ages...I mean that. I'll probably start using the phrase "dose of unknown reality", there's a lot of truth to what you had to say.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

christy

"...you struggled to win WAC championships?"

Really?

I hate to break it to U, but, if anybody struggled to win WAC championships, it would be U!

Only TWO championships in 38 years in the conference - that's about one every two decades.

It remains to be seen whether the Utes can keep pace with that dubious distinction in the PAC.

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

I see the stars aligning.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@ Rockwell, I understand where you are coming from. My comparisons have relative connections. There are differences. You point out some of them. Other differences could be used as well.

As incorrect as star rankings can be, they do have some merit. I haven't done the background search on this for a few years. But even if the 10% comment you made is true, wouldn't most coaches want a recruit that had a 10% chance of making the NFL.

As for Pitta, I think his talent is obviously higher than the lack of a star ranking. But I also think his intangibles, work ethic, and BYU's TE development has a lot to do with this as well. I mean, yes Pitta is rocking the NFL, but so have many other BYU TEs before him. It's not just the QBs of old that BYU has developed. The TEs haven't had the drop off that the QBs have in more recent years. The list is long at QB for BYU in the NFL but so are the TEs (Todd Christensen, Chad Lewis, Itula Mili, Andrew George, Dennis Pitta, and others I am sure I am forgetting at the moment.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

The talk of stars not mattering makes little sense to me... of course they matter! It isn't an exact science, but players with more stars are definitely more likely to be impact players. Teams that recruit more high star players are more likely to be the most competitive teams. Of course there are exceptions to this (e.g. this year's Heisman winner was a three star athlete, Boise State has competed at a high level for several years) but generally more stars means better players and teams.

Now that being said, I fully support Bronco when he says "we don't pay attention to stars and rankings" because BYU is a unique case. Because of missions, honor code, etc. BYU has to recruit and develop players differently. They will likely never have a top ten recruiting class, but that doesn't mean they can't be a top ten team. This years class doesn't appear (on paper) to be as impressive as other years, but with the mission change (19 to 18) we've had to recruit more JC guys and I think things have worked out pretty well. Go Cougs!

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