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Published: Monday, Feb. 4 2013 10:00 p.m. MST

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

One last comment, and I'm out...

We have Mormons who are gay.
We have Mormons who are single.
We have Mormons who are alcoholics.

You can be single, gay or an alcoholic and still be a Mormon in good standing.

Telling someone they don't belong on account of who they ARE is just plain wrong and is the greater sin.

In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr:

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin [or age, or gender, or religion or sexual orientaltion] but by the content of their character."

I think he was onto something there.
I firmly believe those words were inspired from Heaven above.

I think - that is what a Christian, a follower and disciple of Christ - should also believe and do as well.

Think, Ponder and Pray, that your hearts and minds might be opened.

Saint George, UT

Obama10, 'Two deep' leadership is an obvious safety mechanism, is it not? However, what if the two deep are both gay? Let's get to bottom line about this and a host of other issues parading before us by the amoral crowd: There is no right or wrong, tolerate anything, and teaching morals is irrelevant, whether honesty, or sexual preference. I beg to differ. You can't create trust by not having laws based on right and wrong. Without it, chaos ensures, which is exactly what will happen to BSA if they don't stand up for a 'morally straight' campout!

Kaysville, UT

If this vote goes through at the change in policy is approved; what"s next? The Scout Oath of morally straight would be thrown out. The next big push would be "Duty to God". The scouts would have already shown they will buckle under pressure. So what will change next? Ths core beliefs of Scouting is on the precipice. If the BSA is swayed they will cease to exist as an organization. What will all the 6 figure salaried administrators do?

John C. C.
Payson, UT

BSA has always welcomed boys regardless of sexual orientation. The difference is that they ask the boys not be open about it or engage in homosexual behavior. They also expect straight members to be morally clean, suppressing their natural desires towards girls. That's what a boy needs to do to achieve true manhood. Since marriage is traditionally (and in my view correctly) viewed as only between a man and a woman, talk of same gender romance would be more disruptive in BSA's same-gender units than traditional opposite-gender romance. Current BSA policy should not change.

Regarding those units who might keep to old policy if BSA does allow open gay membership, I can't see how it would work. Such policy would differ among units. How could one unit participate with others in Jamborees, etc. where they would be exposed to and be living among leaders with different standards?

Saratoga Springs, UT

@Open Minded Mormon

Because your name is stating you MAY be open minded, you are not so open minded as you argue only one side of the principal. To call me or anyone else out with your quotes "other open minded". For you to ASSUME I am not open minded because I don't agree with gay principals. Also, you don't even understand your own statement. You say...

I did not forget, nor did I fail to mention it.
I said, and I quote"...same level standard ..."

here it is again:

We allow gay and lesbians full membership and fellowship in the LDS church.

So, shouldn't we show that same level standard with our affiliation with the Boy Scouts?

The same "level standard" is already applied. If you are gay, please come to church and scouts. If you are a practicing gay person/member, by all means, please still come to church but know that you cannot hold a temple recommend or be a scout leader. Same applies to someone who is an adulterer, drug dealer, committing mail or tax fraud, etc.

Being open minded means being "OPEN", not arguing one side, but seeing both sides.

Bay Area Dude
San Ramon, CA

If BSA allows charter orgs to have gay leaders, my 25 years of volunteering in Scouting are over, my Eagle gets returned, and I pull all my boys out of Scouting. Enough said.

USS Enterprise, UT

To "Obama10" I hate to break it to you, but the LDS chuch has not softened its stance on gays. 20 years ago in the Handbook of Instructions that all LDS leaders have, it said that gays are welcome in the church, and the only prohibition that they had that was different than other members was that if they had a sex change they could not participate in Temple ordinances.

To "UtahBruin" you realize that if you take the BSA away from scouts, you lose 70% of scouts?

Las Vegas, NV

I'll follow President Monson's advise. I can see legitimate moral and logical arguments on both sides of this argument. Lord Baden-Powell's vision is between a rock and a hard-place. A supporter of scouting? To be, or not to be? I'll leave it up to The Lord, to tell us through His servant, The Prophet.

Medical Lake, Washington

For many, the issue to seems to be one of 'progress' in society. Such has 'progress' seems to have a simple definition - anything which lowers standards, is more inclusive of all possible ideologies, opinions and personalities must be a good thing. Soon we will be voting to allow fish to live out of water; which is only fair.

What is interesting is that the more 'inclusive' we become, we become increasingly intolerant towards those who prefer their current value systems. At one time gay bashing was unfortunately common. Now, bashing those who don't accept gay ideals is vogue.

I still do not understand why it is so important for a faction of society to demand admittance into an organizations who's core beliefs are contrary to their own. It seems more to me that the issue is not about wanting to be a scout so much as it is wanting to conquer an establishment that dares to say 'no'.

Salt Lake City, UT

My son was in Boy Scouts and attained Eagle status. My grandson is now in scouting. During all this time, I can't remember anything asking whether they are homosexual or straight. Maybe I'm just being naive? Does it really matter? My granddaughter wants to be part of scouting, and she isn't allowed. She does everything we do with the grandson, except camping and scout meetings. We have to do those on our own, but when she finishes the merit badge requirements, we recognize her also. I think there are too many organizations getting involved in things they have no business being involved in -- the Pride organization, ACLU, NAACP, etc. What does this have to do with them? The one I saw talking about this on TV from the Pride whatever was female. What does this have to do with her? She can't get in.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Here is some things that many members and those not of our faith don't know. One many of those who have same-sex attraction who have not acted upon this attraction have been scouts, Eagle Scouts at that, leaders and have had other callings. Many of you may not have even known the individual had same-sex attraction because it wasn't broadcast. However, once they have acted upon those attractions they have been requested not to attend scouts, have been removed from leadership roles and in the most severe cases have been excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

This has been the case for many years. The so called softening of the LDS Church is just that rumor and propaganda. There are many who have had same-sex attraction who have remained chaste and have obeyed the commandments and covenants they have made. They have chosen to do so against very stiff odds but it is a choice many have made to remain close to their loving Heavenly Father regardless what Pagan and others state. They hold temple recommends, have leadership roles and all other rewards a member in good standing has.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

My experience in Scouting, and as a Leader for the last 25 years was to teach the boys to help one another.
No one does it alone.

We never talked about sex in ANY fashion - except the BSA required discussions about inappropriate touching from ANYONE (male/female, friends/relatives, Church Leaders/School Teachers, etc...as far the the BSA handbook and policy are concerned, it doesn't matter WHO or single out ANYONE).

Pedaphiles can be anyone.

Living in Utah - I'm more worried about middle-age female Teachers having sex with these boys.

BTW - Statistics don'tlie. Most pedaphiles are heterosexual.

Healthy Skeptic
Saratoga Springs, UT

I have been involved in scouting for many years. Not once has anybody inquired about my sexual orientation. I am not aware of any place on the leadership application OR the youth application that asks about sexual orientation. I guess I am confused about this so-called "ban on gays" in scouting. Someone please shed some light on this for me.

Idaho Falls, ID

@ Healthy Skeptic

It's a sure thing that many with same sex attraction have gone through the scouting program successfully with no problems. It used to be something no one talked about or revealed about themselves. But now with this new emphasis on "coming out" and proclaiming ones sexual preference as well as the encouragment to act on it from the LGBT community, there is a greater chance of it becoming a problem. It has the potential of becoming something that's focused on, discussed, distracting from the rules, morality and goals of scouting. And a huge distraction it would be!

mesa, AZ

I have donated to BSA every year of my working career even though it was not $200,000, if they change their policy, they would see no more money from me, and I am sure there are a number of donors who feel the same way that I do, more than the money that the BSA is losing from Intel or UPS.

Kaysville, UT

If Sandusky was in Boy Scouts he would have been associating with other leaders who might have seen in abhorrent behavior and stopped it in its tracks. He was his own organization, leader and oversight. He was good at lying and leading others to believe him for years. Again, the power of a Penn State coach and assistant coach is far different than the BSA rules and regulations of honor and morality. It is unfortunate to have one abuse case in that kind of organization but the BSA tries to protect young men and also their leaders by insisting two leaders or parents always be present at BSA activities with youth.

As with Sandusky, the truth can come out years later, unfortunate but justice sort of comes to the rescue.

Salt Lake City, UT

"There is no right or wrong, tolerate anything, and teaching morals is irrelevant"

The girl scouts still teach morals, even with lesbian and atheist members.

Salt Lake City, UT

"If this vote goes through at the change in policy is approved; what"s next? The Scout Oath of morally straight would be thrown out."

Okay, first off morally straight is not talking about straight in the sense of sexuality. Secondly, if you already know that, why would morals be out the window just because there'd be gay members? It's like what a lot of people say about atheists. You can easily have morals while being homosexual or atheist otherwise this wouldn't still exist...

"I will do my best to be honest and fair,
friendly and helpful, considerate and caring,
courageous and strong, and responsible for what I say and do,
and to respect myself and others, respect authority,
use resources wisely, make the world a better place, and
be a sister to every Girl Scout."

Or do you want to argue that the Girl Scouts aren't moral?

Temple, TX

I'm fed up with special interests forcing their views on private organizations.

Mcallen, TX

The Boy Scouts are free to make their own decisions, and rules. BSA is not the only option for young boys.

Our fellow citizens don't understand liberty, and wish a government take over. What a shame.

My neighbor has a new car, and nicer house then I do. Rather then whine for equality, or beg for a new car, I can form my own decisions, and work for the same thing.

It's the American thing to do. At least the America I grew up in.

To our gay friends, start your engines, and make your lives as you see fit.

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