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Published: Monday, Feb. 4 2013 10:00 p.m. MST

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Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

Proposing opening leadership positions to men with expressed same gender attraction in a morally straight young male exclusive organization flies in the face of logic. It's just not a wise thing to do. Parents are well advised to consider the potential for regrettable consequences. Overnight campouts and such. Safety must be the overriding consideration.

Down under
Pullman, WA

I agree. I have already pulled my annual contributions as I felt they lost their way several years ago.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Proposing opening leadership positions to men with expressed same gender attraction in a morally straight young male exclusive organization flies in the face of logic. "

Are you suggesting that heterosexual women should not be leaders in a boy scout troop either?

Or heterosexual males working with the girl scouts?

Time and time again, people seem to confuse same sex attraction with pedophilia. This is not supported by research.

Linguist
Silver Spring, MD

Kicking out Scouts who are coming to grips with who they are is wrong. It sends exactly the wrong message to them-- that who they are is bad, no matter their faith, no matter their behavior, that society has a point in stigmatizing and harming them.

I first became aware that I was gay around age 10, and by age 14, I was able to write in my journal "I am a homosexual."

That that honesty and self-recognition would be grounds for being kicked out of an organization designed to instill moral values, including honesty and personal integrity, simply astounds me.

NO 14 year old should be sexually active, and that isn't what this debate is about. It's about honesty-- that sexual orientation simply is. It isn't chosen and, with few exceptions, seems pretty immutable (it certainly was in my case, and I was exceptionally motivated NOT to be gay).

It's time to stop sending mixed signals to young gay people. Are they accepted and loved for who they are or not?

RBB
Sandy, UT

The BAA has to make a decision. Do you want Intel's money or do you want tostand by your principles and keep the rank and file. If they pass this, Friends of Scouting will drop like a rock and many of us who have volunteered hundreds of hours will redirect our efforts to other causes. Part of the attraction of the BSA is that they have stuck by their principles even whendoing so is hard. If they make the change, they are telling every scout that it is ok to cave when you feel the heat.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Changing this policy would be a grave error.

BlakeR
St Joseph, MI

Religious organizations will always have the legal right to discriminate in order to promote and remain true to their religious beliefs and protect freedom of religion that is so important to our society. And that will always be seen as acceptable by society. And while civic organizations, like BSA, also have a legal right to discriminate, such discrimination increasingly is becoming unacceptable to society. BSA will need to decide whether it wants to be a civic organization that supports and accommodates all varieties of religious belief, including non-belief, or if it wants to be a civic organization that is supported largely by specific religious organizations and supports and upholds the values and beliefs of those organizations --we have reached that fork in the road in which a decision has to be made. Given that choice, seems as obvious to me what choice they should and will make.

TOO
Sanpete, UT

If they pass this, I will not give one more can to food drives--I will take it to the bank myself, and I will never donate a single dollar more to the Boy Scouts.

wazzup
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Joe Blow, do some research on gay men. Facts are stubborn. How many 'partners' do they on average have during their lifetime? You can start there. Not even close to heterosexual males or females.

Here's what I hope happens, Joe Blow. The BSA is cowardly and will make a non-decision other than letting local councils decide. Membership will drop like a rock. Those left standing will allow gay scoutmasters. Cases involving gay scoutmasters will hit the legal system. Parents will sue the BSA for allowing gay scoutmasters to the tune of million$. It will put the BSA out of business and traditional scouters will find out who the board of directors are and will boycott their businesses.

BTW, this isn't about gay rights, the gays want to put the BSA out of business. Period. Payback for what they consider bias against their lifestyle. They could care less about any boys. IT's all payback and the board of directors apparently aren't smart enough to figure out the 'end game'.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Now the President has put his political prowess into the mix, it will be interesting to see what the Boy Scouts of America do with his unwavering hand as with a lot of other things this President has done. I am sure religious organizations have loved what he has done for abortion and for contraception with his benevolent acts of kindness for the whole world.

We will endure but trials of life have never been easy when it comes to morality of people and places.

dustman
Nampa, ID

"Proposing opening leadership positions to men with expressed same gender attraction in a morally straight young male exclusive organization flies in the face of logic."--JOnathan Eddy, first post on this string.

According to the Boy Scout Handbook, Morally Straight means: To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.

I dont think "morally straight" has anything to do with sexual orientation according to the Boy Scout Manual. But it does says "faithful in your religious beliefs." Even the Boy Scouts seem to recognize that we all don't have the same religious beliefs. But if this flies against your religious beliefs, by all means, leave the Boy Scouts. Otherwise, you can still run your scout org. the way you've always done it.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Nationally, enrollment in scouts is down double digits in the last few years and their homophobic position was cited by their own leaders as one of the main reasons. We would not let our son join the scouts because of the BSA's position as we felt it was anti-Christan and exclusive of the norms of greater society. Most major coporations changed their position years ago and even offer benefits to same sex couples. The BSA is only responding to the realities of our society as we have progressed and become more embracing of diversity. Christ would welcome it.

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

Delay the vote???? Why? Let's vote now!

Uphold the Scout Oath!!! Raise the Title of Liberty. The time is at hand.

worf
Mcallen, TX

We have become a nation of whining victims.

ericorlisa
new market, AL

is this what you want for the future of BSA? the real question i want you BSA to ask and answer for the future of BSA is: are you going to compromise for political gain and finacial assistance from other parties and please man or are you going to take a stand in these dark days and stand for God and please Him and rely on His sovereignty to meet all the needs for BSA? i pray to God for you BSA that you will do what is right not in the sight of man but in the sight of God and what He says about making compromises against His Law, Precepts and Statutes.

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grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

I'm not sure why the need for a delay on deciding how to deal with this issue. It's not as if no one has ever given it any thought or formulated a policy on the matter.

Tilka
PORTLAND, OR

I wouldn't let my boys go on campouts if the leaders were women, it provides an environment where something inappropriate could happen. Similarly, I would not allow my boys to go on a campout where a homosexual man is going to be the leader. If this goes through, it is time for the LDS church to drop scouting. Long overdue. I get sick of contributing to the friends of scouting when the district executives make six figure incomes.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Why do people always feel they have to talk for God. If God exists, he/she/it will have the final say, according to most beliefs. And, according to most beliefs, if this were to pass, it would be because of God, not in spite of God. Unless most of you only think God makes the decisions you deem are the correct ones!

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

There is indeed wisdom in carefully and without undue haste consider any propsed change. Why should a stampeded demand to change the rules and regulation of any organization be tolerated without thoughtful and meaningful consideration? One may wisely wait to hear what President Monson and other BSA officials have to say concerning this matter.

fangflyer
LAKE WALES, FL

Voting to allow homosexuals to participate in any aspect of Scouting is the biggest mistake that the Boy Scouts of America could make, and bowing to "pressure" from two board members is pathetic. The two board members of B.S.A. who are pushing this "agenda" should be removed from the Scouting Board of Directors and any funds their companies have donated returned. There are enough decent people and companies in this country to more than make up for the lost funding. The Boy Scouts should never have allowed this to become an issue, and it they take a firm stand now, they will send the right message.

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