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Published: Monday, Feb. 4 2013 6:35 p.m. MST

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John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

This new rule is just more evidence of the NCAA's anti-religion bias. Indeed, this organization has discriminated against religious institutions for almost its entire history. If the NCAA will not treat them fairly, it is time for these institutions to leave.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Ahh... the "committed but unsigned" recruits.

That must be where BYU is hiding its 3, 4, and 5 star recruits this year.

KVN/Hoff want 0-4 against UTAH
Ogden, UT

All I know is every recent national champion has consisted of very highly rated recruiting classes. Probably a coincidence. I am sure byu fans have nothing to worry about.

Sandy, UT

A BYU article with 3 utes commenting first. What are the odds ? Obsessed much utes ? Keep in mind utes that your players that go straight on missions out of high school will now be able to transfer to BYU without penalty since they won't attend college before leaving.

West Jordan, Utah

There is a lot to digest with the changes here. The missionary players were somewhat hard to manage before. That said, BYU and Bronco have been fully entrenched in the missionary program relative to football, and found a system to work with productively for football and missionary service.

Sometimes this protocol for missionaries works for BYU football and sometimes it doesn't. But it's a major part of what BYU is about either way. BYU benefits in regards to its' missionary players in many cases even when football suffers. Why? It's the core of operation under Bronco that will influence the team for the better more often than not.

With the situation the way it is turning now, BYU will have to work with players on when they plan to serve missions more than ever (after freshman year or before). But the real challenge appears to me (from the outside looking in) to be the scholarship issue. A program like Alabama, who abuses over signing, effects BYU who needs to work within those parameters legitimately.

BYU will probably balance this whole thing out, but it might take some lumps first.

Far East USA, SC

This line from the article ..

"An unintended side effect of this rule"

Elicits this line from JCS

"This new rule is just more evidence of the NCAA's anti-religion bias"

Anyone else see a disconnect here?

West Jordan, Utah


Your comments are very inappropriate and are the type that divide the red and blue all too often. This mentality is not what your university represents. If passionate about BYU, then be what they are about. I mean that is BYU's signature calling card. Winning the right way should be accompanied by rooting for the team the right way.

When BYU looks for exposure and takes advantage of an independent schedule, going to new markets each year to make an impression, I doubt your remarks are what they want exposed.

Now I would not be surprised at all if I get the 'denied' tag from the DesNews, which would not bother me so much, if the poison hate speech from the blue side wasn't accepted way too frequently.

Both sides are out of line at times. I like to believe it's the small percentage of fans, but these posts make me feel sick inside all the time.

I can't say anything that doesn't contain the BYU fan stamp of approval without personal attacks coming back at me. All this for sincere opinion (not intended for bashing or inductive red justification).

Mchenry, IL

Why can't they go after college?

Danbury, CT

I agree with Mahe: Bronco has the balance right in the program. He is doing his best to build a winning tradition but is more holistic on how he develops these young men and in his view of BYU's mission. Sad some Ute/LDS fans can't at least support that - rather they ridicule it. I've never been able to understand that. Many of their kids go to BYU, while the parents undermine any goodness that is there.

Sandy, UT

Of course, some of those unsigned recruits may go on missions and realize that they can play in the big leagues and join Kyle's familyto the north.

Sandy, UT

Bronco has done a great job managing the RM dynamic.

And quite frankly, it's about time that BYU again fills in some of their voids with JC transfers.

Every school uses JC's effectively and I believe that BYU made a mistake going completely away from them after Crowton.

Bronco, unlike Gary Crowton, has demonstrated an ability to recruit to the honor code, effectively.

Frisco, TX

Harmon hit the nail on the head. Charity missed the point. The other Ute trolls probably didn't even read the article, they are always just looking for an opportunity to spew their hatred.

This regulation has nothing to do with religious bias. It has everything to do with so many of the marquee universities who oversign and do not have enough scholarships and leave good athletes hanging. Yes, there is an unintended consequence impacting missionary service. But it will have far more consequences on many of the teams who were in the top 10, than BYU. Alabama was one of the worst offenders.

The next two years will be challenging for BYU as it adjusts to the new missionary age, but by 2015 it should actually be easier to manage the recruiting process with most of the kids going on missions straight of of high school. The JC recruits are a perfect solution to manage through the next two years.

Dixie Dan
Saint George, UT

Is the Y obligated to only recruit LDS athletes? This could be a great missionary opportunity to recruit gentiles and expose them to the LDS religion. I hope to see more gentiles playing for the Y in the coming years.

Columbia, MO

Back in the 60s and early 70s, when BYU football was pretty pathetic, the ute fans were saying that BYU would never be any good because returned missionaries just weren't mean enough to be good football players. By the 1980s, the ute fans and people from all the other WAC schools were complaining because BYU had an unfair advantage of more mature players.

The moral of the story: it's always easy to criticize and BYU's missionaries have a target on their back.

Wiley Old School

Are LDS athletes obligated to attend the Y? This could be a great missionary opportunity to have LDS players attend gentile schools and expose them to the LDS religion. I hope to see more LDS athletes playing for gentile schools in the coming years.

(Doesn't this scenario provide a lot more missionary opportunities than recruiting a handful on non-LDS to play at BYU? From a missionary standpoint, wouldn't it be much, much better to have dozens of 20-year-old returned missionary athletes playing for schools across the country rather than concentrating them in one school who's student body is already 99% LDS?)

Salt Lake City, UT


By the "Big Leagues" are you referring to the league in which the Utes have played a total of two games against top-25 teams in two years? BYU had five games against top 25 teams this year alone.

Bloomington, IN

The "poison hate speech from the blue side" that's "accepted way too frequently" is a reaction that comes from the constant barrage of hate speech, snide remarks, and frequent criticism we've endured from the red side for way too many years. Anonymous comment boards like this have only made it more frequent and more difficult to get away from. I come onto the boards to see what people have to say about BYU's schedule, games, or recruits; to commiserate or celebrate with fellow fans. I do find that, and some people are entertaining, but when the comments on every single article begin with 3-4 anti-BYU remarks, it gets old. I have a great sense of humor and can take a lot of kidding, but a lot of this isn't joking around, it's just hateful. Sure, I know I should turn the other cheek, and most of the time I do, but it is tiresome, especially when I just want to see what other Cougars have to say about stuff. There are some who post so frequently that it leads me to believe they are unemployed and have nothing better to do.

Kaysville, UT

We are so fortunate to have Brigham Young University and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sponsors and supports such a vital place of real learning and a place to gain wisdom from experiences from life.

The name of the Church indicates that there are times like these and that life will go on, after bowl games on Sunday. I understand the Super of all bowls had plenty of immorality displayed for half-time instead of marching bands of the past. Money is a driver and ratings mean so much more money. The NCAA is a money driven organization and the whole momentum of what league or conference a team is in, is nothing but money. They use that to get more money, grants and prestige. We saw the effect of that kind of power with the Penn State putting it's integrity and the lives of innocent children on the line without investigations or actions being taken for decades. Money may be important but so are values.

We know that the conferences, leagues and other forms, such as advertising for games is nothing but money. Europeans knew that when they bought Budweiser and control media.

Provo, UT

I am always amazed at the Utah fans that have to run to an article about BYU to comment to validate themselves. First, LDS athletes are not obligated to attend BYU anymore than athletes from the state of Utah are obligated to attend the University of Utah. Second, the rule of 25 signees was aimed at SEC schools abusing it and not at BYU. Third, Utah has done nothing to distinguish themselves in the PAC 12 other than being a member (last choice available) so what is the fascination with being in a conference where you may end up being the second tier school all the time.

Students and athletes that choose BYU do for their own reasons and you have to accept that and leave it at that. The same applies to those that choose any other school. I had hoped that Jabari Parker would choose BYU but he chose Duke and I wish him well.

The vitriol that is exposed in comments by both sides only shows a lack of maturity by the poster.

Provo, UT

Utah fans... This article has absolutely nothing to do with Utah, at least wait until a byu fan bashes on us before you start commenting on a strictly byu article. A small percentage of byu and utah fans are what I will call "lesser intellects." My desire to be a byu supporting mormon was destroyed by that small percentage of byu fans. I'm sure there are many byu fans that were influenced in a similar way by foolish ute fans.

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