@DuckhunterYou said "No one denies that BYU fans, myself
included, post on utah artciles and try to get utah "fans" bent out of
shape." THAT'S JUST IT. I don't post ANYTHING for this objective
(to get people bent out of shape). That's the difference right there.
Saying something relatively unpopular with some Cougar fans (an opinion) is not
the same as LOL all the time at upsetting people. That said, you do what some
Utah fans do as well. You said "What we take exception to is the
hypocrisy of utah "fans" like yourself that whine about it only one way,
just like you did on this BYU article". I understand this (being fair to
both sides). Do you understand the same? Are Utah fans the only ones living on
planet hypocrisy? Whine one way? Okay I focus on Utah defense bases
but I mention BYU in defense at times as well. What about you? Look in the
mirror. Come on, do you ever defend Utah? Duck, I say this because I do go after
Ute fans who post harshly once in awhile. Have you not seen it? Do you do the
My honest take away from this piece is: Mendenhall works with the whole man
concept in mind while Whittingham just focuses on ball players alone. That
should give future recruits pause to consider who is really concerned about
their best interests!
Um, did anyone else catch the part that says Reno Mahe has SEVEN children? Or
am I reading something wrong?
@gdogNo one denies that BYU fans, myself included, post on utah
artciles and try to get utah "fans" bent out of shape. What we take
exception to is the hypocrisy of utah "fans" like yourself that whine
about it only one way, just like you did on this BYU article, especially when
the 1st three posts were from your fellow utah "fans" that were behaving
in exactly the way you accused BYU fans and you didn't say one thing about
them. When the day comes you utah "fans" end your
hypocritical whining, call out your own instead of the BYU fans, on a BYU
article no less, then we might make some progress in the direction you claim you
want things to go. Until then don't hold your breath. And of
course I'm not even touching yet on the utah "fan" meltdowns to BYU
fan posts that point out flaws in utah, its teams and its athletic program.
Remeber we have "sincere opinions" to whether you like to read them or
not. It is my sincere opinion that the utah baksetball program is bad, can you
handle that without a metldown?
I wonder if the NCAA has come out and said that this rule came about
"because many SEC schools over-signed, then withdrew offers on signing day
or used the 29 or 30 signees as a buffer when they had players flunk out or get
kicked off the team for discipline issues," or is that Dick Harmon's
take on the issue.It's worth noting that teams outside of the
Big, Bad SEC also sometimes sign more than 25 athletes each year. Utah and BYU
are both have more than 25 commitments for 2013, for example....How
many of you believe that this rule is just "more evidence of the NCAA's
anti-religion bias. Indeed, this organization has discriminated against
religious institutions for almost its entire history?" The NCAA has
hundreds of universities to consider. It's unlikely that they have the
time or interest to figure out ways to stick it to the Mormons.Regarding the effects of this rule change on LDS athletes, it will impact BYU
more than any other program. But Utah and Utah State, as well as the smaller
programs in Utah, will have to recalibrate their recruiting and roster managing
Actually, Bronco probably hopes that ALL his planning-a-mission signees go right
out of high school so he can have them for 4 straight years. This one-and-gone
thing is too disruptive and usually makes a player's sophomore year less
productive.Kudos to the Church for lowering the missionary age!
All this NCAA stuff is meaningless. All that matters is on the
field and there is where BYU shines.
Seriously, people. The NCAA is in another part of the country and has dozens of
programs to think about - most with more profile and influence than BYU. The
problem with ALL conspiracy theories is they give people way to much credit for
being more clever than they really are. We just need to adapt and be big boys
and girls about this.
@Bluto, I agree all throughout for what it's worth.@CougFaninTX, your first paragraph; it cuts both ways. the next two paragraphs
show a balanced perspective on the issue of over signing and BYU's relative
challenges.@Wiley Old School, I see the point. But the gentile card?
@DavesKnowsWhatsUp, even though it sort of seems you're
justifying the hate speech and your comments were directed my way, that
doesn't mean I don't get the same feeling the opposite way from time
to time (no hate though). If you go to Ute articles you will find just as many
frequent Ute slams from the blue trolls as well. It's ugly. I have my
allegiance with Utah but relative interest in reading BYU articles. Yes I
comment and it's not always complimentary, but my takes are not meant to be
malicious and my design is to focus on honesty as I see it. Oh yeah Dave, the
unemployed comment was still cheap though. @reasonableUTE, point
well taken after I go @somebodyelse 5 more times. Uh, maybe not as not many
words are left. I am glad you are 'reasonable' brother. @Radio nowhere, an indignant meltdown here?
to JoeBlow 2/5The whole *religion is under attack angle* was
eventually going to surface.If BYU is going to get *special
treatment* then shouldn't other religious/private institutions be afforded
the same *privilege*. Its a slippery slope. The NCAA IMO is trying
(dare I say) to make the playing field even.
@reasonableUteYou're wasting your breath, man. The usual
suspcts will find a way to twist any article with the letters "BYU" into
a dig about a lack of 4-5 star recruits, a lack of athleticism, or any number of
other tired, beaten-to-death cliches. I would think it would get boring to post
essentially the same thing over and over. I know it gets boring reading it.I grew up with mostly BYU fans, and as far as I recall all would root
for Utah except against BYU, which is by my observation pretty common. In
contrast, I always thought it was weird -- even in the LaVell days -- how much
many Utah students and alum loathed BYU. Clearly it's not universal, but
it's not rare. I've always thought that was a backhanded kind of
respect . . nobody bothers hating on an irrelevant opponent. Do we have any real
anti-Wyoming or anti-Pepperdine fans in the gallery? Nope. Thanks, Chris B and
all the rest. I love you too.
Alls I know is we are going to be awesome. who cares what trolls say they
don't no anything
I seriously doubt this NCAA rule is anti religion. After all one would have had
to put some thought into this rule and based on the NCAA's past history
they do not do much logical thinking.
Great article until the Ute "trolls" came out. As a BYU fan, I would
like an article on how Utah and Kyle plan on addressing the new age limit? Utah
has a large number of RMs that BYU haters (Utah Fan) seem to forget about. Also
@kvn/Hoff want 0-4 against Utah your spellchecker didn't work. I am sure
your screen name was suppose to be "went". Might want to fix that.
@gdog"I can't say anything that doesn't contain the
BYU fan stamp of approval without personal attacks coming back at me. All this
for sincere opinion (not intended for bashing or inductive red
justification)."Yea you're the victim. As opposed to BYU
fans being able to post anything but effusive praise of utah and being treated
so well by utah "fans". I wish they had an eyeroll emoticon on this
site, just use your imagination because I'm definately rolling my eyes.
Hey its not just BYU, Kyle Whit. would feel the pinch too as well at USU and
Weber State. So, what can you do about it. NCAA is a joke and same rule with
Army, Navy and AFA?
There's two ways to score: Points and Assists. Jimmer needs to pick up his
assist/turnover ratio (see www.cougarstats.blogspot.com). Every time he gets the
ball he should be looking to either Score or Assist.
Even with fewer signee spots annually BYU will do just fine. There will be many
who, like Dennis Pitta, will walk on and have great impact. It's about
more than just football at BYU and they'll come out of the fray just fine.
Utah fans... This article has absolutely nothing to do with Utah, at least wait
until a byu fan bashes on us before you start commenting on a strictly byu
article. A small percentage of byu and utah fans are what I will call
"lesser intellects." My desire to be a byu supporting mormon was
destroyed by that small percentage of byu fans. I'm sure there are many
byu fans that were influenced in a similar way by foolish ute fans.
I am always amazed at the Utah fans that have to run to an article about BYU to
comment to validate themselves. First, LDS athletes are not obligated to attend
BYU anymore than athletes from the state of Utah are obligated to attend the
University of Utah. Second, the rule of 25 signees was aimed at SEC schools
abusing it and not at BYU. Third, Utah has done nothing to distinguish
themselves in the PAC 12 other than being a member (last choice available) so
what is the fascination with being in a conference where you may end up being
the second tier school all the time.Students and athletes that
choose BYU do for their own reasons and you have to accept that and leave it at
that. The same applies to those that choose any other school. I had hoped that
Jabari Parker would choose BYU but he chose Duke and I wish him well. The vitriol that is exposed in comments by both sides only shows a lack of
maturity by the poster.
We are so fortunate to have Brigham Young University and that the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sponsors and supports such a vital place of
real learning and a place to gain wisdom from experiences from life. The name of the Church indicates that there are times like these and that life
will go on, after bowl games on Sunday. I understand the Super of all bowls had
plenty of immorality displayed for half-time instead of marching bands of the
past. Money is a driver and ratings mean so much more money. The NCAA is a
money driven organization and the whole momentum of what league or conference a
team is in, is nothing but money. They use that to get more money, grants and
prestige. We saw the effect of that kind of power with the Penn State putting
it's integrity and the lives of innocent children on the line without
investigations or actions being taken for decades. Money may be important but
so are values. We know that the conferences, leagues and other
forms, such as advertising for games is nothing but money. Europeans knew that
when they bought Budweiser and control media.
The "poison hate speech from the blue side" that's "accepted
way too frequently" is a reaction that comes from the constant barrage of
hate speech, snide remarks, and frequent criticism we've endured from the
red side for way too many years. Anonymous comment boards like this have only
made it more frequent and more difficult to get away from. I come onto the
boards to see what people have to say about BYU's schedule, games, or
recruits; to commiserate or celebrate with fellow fans. I do find that, and
some people are entertaining, but when the comments on every single article
begin with 3-4 anti-BYU remarks, it gets old. I have a great sense of humor and
can take a lot of kidding, but a lot of this isn't joking around, it's
just hateful. Sure, I know I should turn the other cheek, and most of the time
I do, but it is tiresome, especially when I just want to see what other Cougars
have to say about stuff. There are some who post so frequently that it leads me
to believe they are unemployed and have nothing better to do.
@RBBBy the "Big Leagues" are you referring to the league in
which the Utes have played a total of two games against top-25 teams in two
years? BYU had five games against top 25 teams this year alone.
Are LDS athletes obligated to attend the Y? This could be a great missionary
opportunity to have LDS players attend gentile schools and expose them to the
LDS religion. I hope to see more LDS athletes playing for gentile schools in
the coming years.(Doesn't this scenario provide a lot more
missionary opportunities than recruiting a handful on non-LDS to play at BYU?
From a missionary standpoint, wouldn't it be much, much better to have
dozens of 20-year-old returned missionary athletes playing for schools across
the country rather than concentrating them in one school who's student body
is already 99% LDS?)
Back in the 60s and early 70s, when BYU football was pretty pathetic, the ute
fans were saying that BYU would never be any good because returned missionaries
just weren't mean enough to be good football players. By the 1980s, the ute
fans and people from all the other WAC schools were complaining because BYU had
an unfair advantage of more mature players.The moral of the story:
it's always easy to criticize and BYU's missionaries have a target on
Is the Y obligated to only recruit LDS athletes? This could be a great
missionary opportunity to recruit gentiles and expose them to the LDS religion.
I hope to see more gentiles playing for the Y in the coming years.
Harmon hit the nail on the head. Charity missed the point. The other Ute
trolls probably didn't even read the article, they are always just looking
for an opportunity to spew their hatred.This regulation has nothing
to do with religious bias. It has everything to do with so many of the marquee
universities who oversign and do not have enough scholarships and leave good
athletes hanging. Yes, there is an unintended consequence impacting missionary
service. But it will have far more consequences on many of the teams who were
in the top 10, than BYU. Alabama was one of the worst offenders.The
next two years will be challenging for BYU as it adjusts to the new missionary
age, but by 2015 it should actually be easier to manage the recruiting process
with most of the kids going on missions straight of of high school. The JC
recruits are a perfect solution to manage through the next two years.
Bronco has done a great job managing the RM dynamic.And quite
frankly, it's about time that BYU again fills in some of their voids with
JC transfers.Every school uses JC's effectively and I believe
that BYU made a mistake going completely away from them after Crowton.Bronco, unlike Gary Crowton, has demonstrated an ability to recruit to the
honor code, effectively.
Of course, some of those unsigned recruits may go on missions and realize that
they can play in the big leagues and join Kyle's familyto the north.
I agree with Mahe: Bronco has the balance right in the program. He is doing his
best to build a winning tradition but is more holistic on how he develops these
young men and in his view of BYU's mission. Sad some Ute/LDS fans
can't at least support that - rather they ridicule it. I've never been
able to understand that. Many of their kids go to BYU, while the parents
undermine any goodness that is there.
Why can't they go after college?
@CougarBlueYour comments are very inappropriate and are the type
that divide the red and blue all too often. This mentality is not what your
university represents. If passionate about BYU, then be what they are about. I
mean that is BYU's signature calling card. Winning the right way should be
accompanied by rooting for the team the right way. When BYU looks
for exposure and takes advantage of an independent schedule, going to new
markets each year to make an impression, I doubt your remarks are what they want
exposed. Now I would not be surprised at all if I get the
'denied' tag from the DesNews, which would not bother me so much, if
the poison hate speech from the blue side wasn't accepted way too
frequently.Both sides are out of line at times. I like to believe
it's the small percentage of fans, but these posts make me feel sick inside
all the time.I can't say anything that doesn't contain the
BYU fan stamp of approval without personal attacks coming back at me. All this
for sincere opinion (not intended for bashing or inductive red justification).
This line from the article .."An unintended side effect of this
rule"Elicits this line from JCS"This new rule is
just more evidence of the NCAA's anti-religion bias"Anyone
else see a disconnect here?
There is a lot to digest with the changes here. The missionary players were
somewhat hard to manage before. That said, BYU and Bronco have been fully
entrenched in the missionary program relative to football, and found a system to
work with productively for football and missionary service. Sometimes this protocol for missionaries works for BYU football and sometimes
it doesn't. But it's a major part of what BYU is about either way. BYU
benefits in regards to its' missionary players in many cases even when
football suffers. Why? It's the core of operation under Bronco that will
influence the team for the better more often than not.With the
situation the way it is turning now, BYU will have to work with players on when
they plan to serve missions more than ever (after freshman year or before). But
the real challenge appears to me (from the outside looking in) to be the
scholarship issue. A program like Alabama, who abuses over signing, effects BYU
who needs to work within those parameters legitimately. BYU will
probably balance this whole thing out, but it might take some lumps first.
A BYU article with 3 utes commenting first. What are the odds ? Obsessed much
utes ? Keep in mind utes that your players that go straight on missions out of
high school will now be able to transfer to BYU without penalty since they
won't attend college before leaving.
All I know is every recent national champion has consisted of very highly rated
recruiting classes. Probably a coincidence. I am sure byu fans have nothing to
Ahh... the "committed but unsigned" recruits.That must be
where BYU is hiding its 3, 4, and 5 star recruits this year.
This new rule is just more evidence of the NCAA's anti-religion bias.
Indeed, this organization has discriminated against religious institutions for
almost its entire history. If the NCAA will not treat them fairly, it is time
for these institutions to leave.