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Published: Monday, Feb. 4 2013 12:58 a.m. MST

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deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

sports4life1

Do you have even the foggiest idea of the calibre of players already in or soon to join BYU's basketball program for the next several years?

(Here's a hint: BYU's "JV Program" is ranked #1 and is poised to win the national championship.)

If not, then you have absolutely no basis for any of your dire predictions.

If you do, then your analysis is hilariously clueless.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

That's a good win for the Utes; as Colorado is projected to be in the field of 64. Now the Utes need to keep it up. The program is still headed in the right direction; it's just tough to be patient.

GO UTES >---->

sports4life1
OGDEN, UT

Wow BYU fans will never learn. I can't argue with stupidity
Weaker Conferences = Weaker Recruits I admit you guys are probably looking at great seasons until 2015 but after that it's back to the 1-26 season

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Uteanymous

Usually when a team wins by 3 points; that pretty much means they are 3 points better than there opponent. I know the whole score board concept is difficult for you to grasp. I know this same concept is questioned by BYU fans when discussing football. Just curious; exactly how many differen't screen names do you post under?

As far as the WCC goes; Gonzaga carries the conference: don't kid your self!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

"Usually when a team wins by 3 points; that pretty much means they are 3 points better than there opponent."

Not really, It's not uncommon for a very good team to play down to the level of their competition, but if you really believe that one head-to-head game definitively determines the difference between two teams, then you have to agree that since

UCLA beat Arizona(84-73) and
Cal Poly beat UCLA(70-68) and
Santa Clara beat Cal Poly(72-64) and
BYU beat Santa Clara(82-64) and

BYU + 18 + 8 + 2 + 9 = 35,

BYU being 35 points BETTER than #7 Arizona, should obviously be a lock for an NCAA #1 seed.

Spin away!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

"Gonzaga carries the conference: don't kid your self!"

As far as the PAC 10.2 goes, Utah is riding the coattails of Arizona, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Arizona State, Colorado and the rest of the PAC 10.2 in just about every sport except women's gymnastics: don't kid YOUR self!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@SnackPAC

It appears that someone attended snack time, but not math class. Let me try and simplify the concept. BYU 61 - Utah 58. 61 > 58. You may want to ask your neighbor what the ">" sign means.
Who said anything about the PAC 12? Let's stay on topic:
WCC Teams in the Project Field of 64: One, (1), unno......Gonzaga
WCC Teams in the top 25: One, (1), unno.........Gonzaga
WCC Teams who have beaten a ranked opponent: One, (1), unno....Gonzaga
I hope that helps, but something tells me that you are trying to pick an arguement; just for the sake of arguing.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@soonerute

Actually BYU is 11 wins in the last 12 games better than utah.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Another interesting Stat. Colorado is #24 per RPI rankings. That makes Utah's win the best by any team in the state. Utah also has a win over #51 Boise State. Too bad there hasn't been more of them.

BYU's best win? #89 Santa Clara (twice)

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@spokane ute

It appears that someone attended snack time, but not math class. Let me try and simplify the concept. BYU 11 wins - utah 1 win > BYU 10 times the team. You may want to ask your neighbor what the ">" sign means.

I could go on and keep discrediting and mocking the rest of your post but there is no need. I've humiliated you sufficiently enough already.

LOL!

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

Spokane Ute

A couple more interesting stats:

Sacramento State is #281 per RPI rankings. That makes Utah's loss the WORST loss by any team in the state. Utah also lost to #199 CSU Northridge, which might be the second WORST loss by any team in the state.

Something Utah fans have a hard time understanding. Utah's LOSSES also count in the overall season ledger.

It really doesn't matter how many PAC 10.2 teams get into the Big Dance, because regardless of how many, U won't be one of them.

Just because you only lost to the #7 Wildcats by 3 points, doesn't mean you're even close to as good as Arizona. The same principle applies when comparing BYU and Utah. I know it's a difficult concept for U to come to grips with, but if you think about it long enough, I'm confident you'll eventually see the light.

#39 BYU(18-6) much, much > than #168 Utah(10-11)

btw, did you realize that #164 San Diego, #149 San Francisco, #89 Santa Clara, #58 Saint Mary's, #39 BYU, and #11 Gonzaga are all ranked ahead of the Utes in the RPI rankings?

Bottom third of the WCC, impressive.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

"Actually BYU is 11 wins in the last 12 games better than utah."

Oh, so this suddenly works for Ducky now that we're talking about basketball? Don't worry, I'll be sure to remind you of this for a LONG LONG TIME. LOL!

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

PAC man

You're going off the lesser used RPI rankings. Here's the full run down comparison between Pac 12 and WCC:

3 Arizona
12 Gonzaga
25 Colorado
26 Oregon
42 BYU & UCLA
58 ASU & St Mary's
65 Stanford
67 California
68 Washington
86 Santa Clara
107 USC
146 San Francisco
158 San Diego
159 Utah
162 Oregon State
165 Washington State
197 pepperdine
215 Portland
228 Loyola Marymount

Pretty sad that a conference of 9 teams has 5 ranked 146 or worse. That makes 10 of BYU's wins seem awfully meaningless doesn't it?
Okay, before someone else says it I will ... make it 11 wins since Utah is down there to ... though Utah will have a few chances to change that if they pull off a couple more quality wins like they did last Saturday.
Regardless, you can see why the WCC only deserves 1 team in the big dance ... this year and MOST years.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

motorbike

You're ignoring the fact that not only has BYU dominated Utah head-to-head in basketball during the Dave Rose era, BYU has also dominated U overall in record, conference championships, national rankings, NCAA berths, and NCAA wins.

Quite a different story from Utah's football domination in head-to-head versus BYU's domination in overall record, conference championships, 10+ win seasons, bowl appearances, and Top 25 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era.

Too bad we can't compare coaching eras in basketball like we can in football, but the Utes have been such a train wreck in basketball since Majerus left, that no coach has lasted long enough at Utah to mount even a modest challenge to Rose.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@motorbike

Who is it you think I was mocking and emulating with that post? Give you one guess.

LOL!

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

motorbike

There's no question that the PAC 10.2 is deeper top to bottom than the WCC.

There's also no question that Gonzaga, BYU, Saint Mary's and Santa Clara are all good enough to compete with the upper 2/3s of the PAC 10.2,

while Utah, Oregon State, and Washington State would blend nicely with the bottom half of the WCC.

The WCC entered a new era when BYU joined the conference last year. Three WCC teams played in the Big Dance in 2012 - that's one-third of the conference. Don't be so sure that the WCC won't have two or three teams in the NCAA this year.

How soon you forget that the PAC 10.2 wasn't even good enough to get their regular season conference champion into the tournament last year and only one-sixth of the PAC 10.2 deserved to go dancing.

sports4life1
OGDEN, UT

Little Brother let me do the breakdown for you since you BYU fans are excellent with statistics.

You say washington, state, Utah, and oregon state would be bottom teems in the WCC.
Yet when you look at the match ups with the WCC conference you can clearly see that your powerhouse Gonzaga team only beat a poor PAC 12 Washington State team by 2 points. While your BYU Cougs narrowly escaped a 11th place utah team at your place. BYU has no place to argue with the PAC 12. The WCC is a bad basketball conference. Yes they have 1 good team but thats really it.

The WCC = WORST COLLEGE CONFERENCE

Talking about the WCC over the PAC 12 conference is really quite the pathetic argument. You find facts that make it sound decent when truthfully there is so many more facts that could make it sound pathetic.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

PAC Man, Y's Little brother, or how ever many screen names you use,

I never said Utah was better than BYU, now did I? I did state they lost by 3 to them, and that's pretty dang accurate. I also noted that Utah has some very good wins, just not enough of them. It sure seems to have you riled up. It's not my fault that BYU is 0-4 against RPI to 50 teams. I also stated that Gonzaga carries the conference, which is 100% accurate. Us Utah fans do find it amussing how you flock to our threads though. Envy and jealousy is a horrible thing. Don't worry, maybe the WAC or Big Sky will invite you to join soon. Thanks in advance for your continued support.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

sports4life1

Little sister let me do the breakdown for U, since you obviously have a hard time distinguishing fact from fiction.

Arizona struggled at home to get past #160 Utah
Oregon struggled at home to beat #234 No. Arizona
UCLA lost at home to #205 Cal Poly
ASU lost at home to #182 DePaul
California struggled at home to beat #161 OSU
Stanford lost at #108 USC and struggled at home to beat #161 OSU
Colorado lost at #160 Utah
Washington lost at home to #160 Utah, to #175 Albany, and at #161 OSU

There's the top 2/3's of the PAC 10.2; every single one of them with a loss or a close home win against a 100+ RPI team.

All six of BYU's losses have come to RPI 60 or higher teams.

Of the 32 Division 1 basketball conferences, the WCC is in the top one-third, only four places below the PAC 10.2

#1 B1G
#2 MWC
#3 Big East
#4 ACC
#5 Big 12
#6 PAC 10.2
#7 A-10
#8 SEC
#9 MVC
#10 WCC
#11 C-USA

#13 WAC
#29 Big Sky

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Spokane Ute

Talk about paranoid; you just can't handle anyone ever disagreeing with you without accusing them of having multiple personalities and getting all "riled up", can you?

Do you really believe that BYU fans are envious and jealous of the rundown Utes who are "working" on their 5th straight losing season?

It's laughable that our little friends on the hill are forced to talk smack about conferences and gym sizes because they have absolutely NOTHING to talk smack about when it comes to comparing teams.

After all of your hyperbole about Top 50 and Top 100 RPI wins, it's hilarious that you completely ignored Utah's FIVE losses to 100+ RPI teams, three of them at home:

to #108 USC
to #279 Sac St
at #185 SMU
to #200 CS Northridge
at #165 WSU

It's not BYU's fault that the Utes have had such a pathetic basketball program for most of the last decade. The Utes are lucky they're not in the WAC or Big Sky. It's embarrassing enough finishing at the bottom of the PAC every year.

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