Highcontry, isn't that kind of like when the PAC offered a spot to 5 big 12
teams and when they didn't want anything to do with the PAC they made an
offer to Utah?
PacmanI wasn't trying to spin it, all I was stating were the
facts.His dream was to play at ASU, which is great. But they didn't
offer and his scholly at the U was gone. He didn't lose interest in Utah,
he rolled the dice and lost. It was a matter of numbers, and Utah went another
direction. Is the kid that took his place better, only time will tell.The
fact is had ASU offered he would be a Sun Devil, and if Utah had room for him he
would be a Ute. Byu was never in the picture until he was out of options.Hopefully, it was the best thing for Wesley and for the Cougs.
Highcountry GhostNice spin, but it really doesn't change the
fact that BYU is getting a player that Utah wanted. Just because he lost
interest in Utah, doesn't mean that De'Ondre suddenly lost the talent
he had while Utah was heavily recruiting him.
Riddles in the darkFirst of all, you are uninformed.Wesley did
have an offer to Utah which he accepted, however he decided that he wanted to
get the dream offer he had always wanted which was ASU. However Utah informed
him if he wanted to look around that they would also. While he was at ASU, Utah
had someone else commit who took his spot, which left Wesley without a
scholarship to Utah, or ASU who never offered.Therefore, he is at BYU
because he couldn't go to to 1st choice ASU, and 2nd choice Utah. Not
because he chose BYU over either school.Hopefully it works out for all
Naval VetHow many years of losing seasons and no bowls will Utah
fans endure before the same Utah fans who abandoned the Utes at the Huntsman,
disappear from RES?Like basketball season ticket holders who now
only infrequently attend games in the HC, announced attendance at RES could
remain near sold out stadium levels even though an ever-increasing number of
season ticket holders begin showing up disguised as empty red chairs.
Did you know Jimmer Fredette had a whole 2 stars coming out of high school? We
obviously know what hard work and coaching can do to a kid. The star argument of
a recruit is a silly debate. Utah and BYU recruit from the same pool of kids,
granted there's some exception to this fact. But when we consider the
overall quality of kids they are both recruited from BYU and Utah it just
depends on how much potential these kids have.Utah get off your high
horse and check back into reality. You had two undefeated seasons, but more
recently failed to be play in a bowl.
Naval Vet30 years after LES expanded to 65,000, our little brothers
up north still haven't drummed up enough fan interest to warrant expanding
RES to big boy size.The truth is Chris Hill is dragging his feet on
expanding RES because he doesn't want to gamble millions on expanding RES
only to watch it become just like the HC, a vast sea of empty red seats.2012 Football Bowl Subdivision Average Attendance#26 BYU -
61,161 - +1% increase#51 Utah - 45,347 - minor increaseEven
with a less than stellar home schedule, BYU still averaged almost 16,000 fans
per game more than the kids on the hill.
WiscougarfanUpdate to your list:6-7, 300 pound OT
De'Ondre Wesley had been offered by BYU and has committed. Wesley said the
visit to BYU was much different than his official to Utah. He talks about the
environment differences.Wesley is a 3-star recruit who had offers
from Arizona State, Colorado State, and Utah. Wesley originally committed to
Utah on 09/09/2012.
talkinsports:"It's not difficult to fill a
crackerbox."And ESPECIALLY not when a school plays a season of
Pac-12 opponents rather than WAC opponents. That said, you seem to have fallen
behind in the discussion here, so let me help you with your comprehension...ItrustNo1 said, "So far the PAC 12 experience has been a
bust...Their ticket sales sure weren't getting the job done," to which
I countered that our ticket office had recorded sell-out games for both our
seasons in the Pac-12 (and truth be told, we also sold out every game during our
final season in the MWC). And if we sold out every game for each of the past 2
years, then we HAD been "getting the job done" in ticket sales...ergo,
ItrustNo1 was WRONG!Now if you have some information to refute RES
being wildly SUCCESSFUL at the box office, then let's hear it. Otherwise,
you have no argument, and look desperate, frantic and emotional for attempt to
reprove an irrefutable position.
RE: Chris B."Serious question here: I'd love for someone to
tell us how many recruits had offers to Utah and BYU? And then, tell us how many
picked Utah and how many picked byu."In 2012 Utah won the offers
battle 5-4 (Utah: Dimick, Hansen, Lindsay, Palepoi, York; BYU: Hinds, Hoyt,
Mangum, Williams), in 2013 the Utes won 7-4 (Utah: Masina, Ophoy, Handley,
Lotulelei, Tanoai, Tevi, Vaenuku; BYU: Kearsley, Peoples, Shumway, Trammell).
Your point? Wait, don't tell me, I can probably guess... you
wanted to know if fans from BYU could do internet research. We can. If
you'd like a tutorial on how to do research let me know, I can give you a
few pointers. I doubt making informed posts will make you obsess any less over
BYU but it could be a good start.
naval vet"Utah had sold out EVERY Home game since joining the
Pac-12."It's not difficult to fill a crackerbox. A sellout
at RES is still less than the attendance at LES BEFORE the stadium was expanded
in 1982. Since then, a "disappointing" crowd at LES is 10,000+ fans more
than RES holds.-----christy"There is no
point arguing who has more 3 or 4 star recruits?"True, but not
for the reason you suggest.The 2012 all-PAC-12 FIRST team had ZERO
5-star prospects; more proof that correlation between stars and on-field
performance is nebulous at best. Star Lutolelei was only a 3-star recruit.Dennis Pitta, a 0 star, walkon, "choir boy" becoming one of
BYU's all-time best receivers, and a starter and significant contributor
for the Super Bowl winning Ravens is proof enough of just how meaningless stars
really are.NOBODY knows how well any of these high school kids will
actually perform in college.
ItrustNo1:"So far the PAC 12 experience has been a bust...Their
ticket sales sure weren't getting the job done."Not so
little brother. Utah had sold out EVERY Home game since joining the Pac-12.
Try to not confuse YOUR failures at the ticket office with ours. Since joining
the Indy-WACs 2-yrs ago, the only sold out games you've experienced was
when your big Pac-12 brother on the Hill came to town....and SMASHED
Here's to hoping that the Y, Aggies and U have success in the coming year.
Utah State was the best team in the state this last year and probably had lower
"rated" classes than both the Utes and the Cougs for the last several
recruiting years.@StGtoSLC:Your initial quote was
Yeah I guess Nick Saban doesn't like 4 star and 5 star recruits...he just
win championships! Yeah you guuys that think the star stuff doesn't matter
need to loo at he top recruiting classes and the top 10, etc.
I'm excited about this deep recruiting class for the Utes. I'm
looking forward to seeing what they will do on the field.Please
don't feed the trolls. (I don't think most Ute fans claim Chris B.)
Chris B.The number of stars a recruit has does not translate to
success of a program or of a player. There are examples everywhere.Johnny
Football broke almost every SEC QB record and won the Heisman as a Freshman, and
guess how many stars he had. 3. He was ranked #39 QB in the 2011 class and yet
he has had more success than any of the 38 ranked ahead of him. Here are a list of Heisman Trophy winners over the past 5 years and their
rankings.Johnny Manziel- 3 star #39QBRobert Griffin III- 4 star
#12QBCam Newton- 4 Star #14QBMark Ingram- 3 star #58RBSam
Bradford- 4 Star #17QBNo 5 stars?The rankings serve a
good purpose in getting good recruits noticed by top programs. But it is not a
crystal ball to the future. Countless 5 star athletes never make an impact in
College football. In both of Utah's undefeated seasons and BCS victories,
I doubt you will find one 5 star recruit on the roster. How do you
explain this Christina? Maybe coaching is more important than the number
of stars a recruit is given?
I know Bronco doesn't care about how many stars a kid has. Why would you
when you recruite kids that have none
As a fan I would really like to see an article ,this time of year, that recaps
the previous 2 or 3 recruiting classes for each school. Those are the guys that
are going to be most directly responsible for changing the course of both Utah
and BYU football.For Utah, guys like LB Rashawn Hooker, OLmen like Marc Povave,
Carlos Lozano and Hiva Lutui. Speedy slot reciever Delshawn Mcllelon. And
I'm sure there are many on BYU's side as well. Lets face it both teams
have disappointrd in their 1st 2 years of this new world.Utah is only 7-11 in
the only games that matter. And BYU is 0-7(Texas,Utah and TCU in 2011.
Utah,BSU,OSU,and Notre Dame in 2012). Neither fan base should be bragging about
anything at this point in each respective programs growth.
@chris b"guarantee that top coaches(Saban, Miles, Spurries,
Whittingham) care very much about how many stars their recruits have. Its
HUGE"Any other "guarantees" for us? Here is a quote
directly from whittingham in todays trib."While the Utes
didn’t land any so called four-star athletes, which might cause some fans
to be concerned, Whittingham isn’t. "We don’t pay
attention to all that," he said. "We recruit with our eyes and our ears
and do our own evaluations and assessments."So I guess
whittingham isn't one of those "top coaches" afterall.LOL!
This is one of the more underwhelming classes BYU has ever put together. When
the majority of you guys are low 2 stars or don't have any stars, that has
to be concerning. Even for BYU who makes a living off no-namers, this is an all
time low. When there aren't any other teams recruiting a kid, it's got
to be a sign of the kids ability.
@Chris BThe Utes went 8-5 in their first year in the Pac-12 and went
5-7 with out a Bowl appearance this year. Explain to me how that equals success
in the BCS. Stars honestly dont mean much. look at Cody Hoffman, he was a 2 star
prospect that turned out to be a stud. and Jake Heaps, a 4 star prospect that
crumbled under pressure (and a lousy OC in Doman). just those 2 examples show
that the stars might be a guideline but dont mean much in the end.
chrs b - I actually like my team more than the conference they are in. A FB
team that went bowling again. A BB team that is competing to go back to the
NCAA tourney. A volleyball team that is one of the best in the nation. A
women's soccer team that made it to the great 8 and only lost to the NC.
It's great to be part of a school that has great teams instead
of being part of a school that is in a great conference but there's really
not much to cheer for right now, is there?
Chris B - "I love my BCS membership!"With a team that
finished 2nd to last in FB, last in baseball, is last in men's BB and is
last in women's BB; there's really not much to love other than your
conference is there?
Ah, Chris, u've supposedly left us so far behind, and yet u just can't
leave us alone.This is a bad weekend for u to be talking recruiting
smack. After all the stars and all the BCS hootch, an unheralded non-starred
walk-on choir boy is the darling of the biggest game on the biggest stage in
football.How many Dennis Pitta's u got in there Chris?
I am happy for the Utah recruiting class. Maybe they will actually win a few
games this year. So far the PAC 12 experience has been a bust except for the new
revenue. Their ticket sales sure weren't getting the job done. The BYU
schedule is a killer this year so I really hope that Broncos' "not
caring about the rankings of his recruits" works out for him. There is so
much hyperbole floating around from both BYU and Utah that no one really knows
what to believe, especially the scouting rags that are out there trying to sell
magazines. When the rubber hits the road on the field the truth will be known.
The guy with the biggest heart and strongest desire to win will finish first 9
out of 10 times when banging heads on a football field is involved.
@86UTE,There is no point arguing who has more 3 or 4 star
recruits?You're starting to sound like a certain coach who
thinks he'll win a national championship with 1 star nobodies.I
guarantee that top coaches(Saban, Miles, Spurries, Whittingham) care very much
about how many stars their recruits have. Its HUGE
Christy"Serious question here:I'd love for
someone to tell us how many recruits had offers to Utah and BYU?"Serious question? More like serious BYU obsession.Gotta love the
delusion of a fan who's constantly proclaiming her love for being a member
of the PAC 10.2, while remaining completely obsessed with a team that's not
even in the PAC 10.2.Shouldn't you really be concerned about
how the Utes stack up against the big boys of the PAC 10.2? After all, if you
can't beat them, all you really are is a well-paid punching bag.Once a little sister, always a little sister.
Before the BYU-UTAH hatefest begins, do remember that only a few of these
signees will be playing much next season. Many will be backups, some will
redshirt, and some will go on missions. The majority of the impact players for
next season are already on the teams. Recruits provide future potential and
promise. In fact, if either team is so good, they shouldn't be playing any
of these guys for two years. There is no point in arguing who has more 3 or 4
star recruits. It's results on the field that counts.
I noticed on scouts ranking of all recruits, byu was behind some noteable
programs such as Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas.That
wouldnt be something to be ashamed of, were we talking about basketball.Yes, thats right.A 1-11 Kansas(with jake heaps) team beat
you in recruiting.A guess when recruits have to pick from a 1-11 BCS
team and a whatever and whatever WAC team, the choice is clear.I
love my BCS membership!
Serious question here:I'd love for someone to tell us how many
recruits had offers to Utah and BYU?And then, tell us how many
picked Utah and how many picked byu.I'm willing to bet that due
to our BCS success, undefeated seasons, BCS quality coaches, and BCS quality
athletes, the majority will have picked Utah.Prove me wrong cougars?
From what I've heard from a couple players, based on some of the winter
workouts, Brandon Cox could have a very real possibility of dethroning Travis
Wilson as the Utes' starting QB this season. Either way, the depth and
skill set he's bringing in are a very welcome addition to the team.Very complimentary article to all 3 teams. Let the BYU-Utah namecalling,
statistic copy-pasting hate fest begin below.