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Published: Saturday, Feb. 2 2013 9:50 a.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

And they're going to remain disappointed until they get exactly what they want, if not more. That's why they need to be told to lump it, so we can move on with this.

Leopard
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Hutterite, how about you being forced to participate in something you think is dispicable? Something you think horrific and hideous. Something you think will bring negative karma? Would you lump it? No one is moving on and acquising their mortal soul to a corrupt culture's convenience.

lowtherb1
Salt Lake City, UT

@Leopard, since the federal government funds abortions, and you, I assume, pay federal taxes, are you participating in abortions?

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Leopard: "@Hutterite, how about you being forced to participate in something you think is dispicable? Something you think horrific and hideous."

You mean like $700 billion per years spent on the DoD or special tax breaks for private jet owners? That guys who genuinely believe that the Earth is 9,000 years old serve on the congressional Science Committee and on school boards?

There's a lot thats despicable, horrific and hideous that we already have learned to put up with. Religions can learn to "put up with" treating their employees fairly, too.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To lye 4:41 p.m. Feb. 2, 2013

I was going to say basically the same thing, but reference the fact that there are a lot of Americans who had their taxes go to funding an invasion and occupation that was not supported or acceptable in either law or equity. A war that was dispicable, horrific and hideous. As an American, I endured that even though I found it to be against my conscience and my moral convictions.

Contraception, including emergency contraception, is a very real part of basic health insurance coverage for women. It is sad that these so-called "religious" institutions and employers aren't willing to provide basic insurance coverage for their employees

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

I do not understand why these so-called "religious" institutions and employers think they are justified in trying to impose their positions and dogma on everyone else. Just let them provide generic insurance to their employees, and let the insurance companies decide what to cover consistent with US law. If they don't want to do that, then add the amount of the insurance premium to their employees after-tax compensation and provide a source where the employees can subscribe to a group insurance policy for their health coverage.

Leopard
Cottonwood Heights, UT

In my philosophy I am required to fight evil, in myself and in the world. I do not expect to win all battles against evil. In the Bhagavid Gita, it is explained that the duty of a human was to fight against evil and give the results to God. And yes, if my government and country participate in abortions and I pay taxes and I live here, I expect that I will suffer from the collective karma.

The battle against government funding of abortions has had some wins, and with the ascendency of the Obama administration, some loses. But just as the abolitionists had their wins and loses, in the end, the abomination of slavery in this country was abolished. The Americans knew that slavery was horrific but they tolerated it. The turning point came when President Pierce used the force of government and declared all citizens could be deputized to capture runaway slaves and the military could be used to take slaves back to their owners. I see a correlation with the force of government now being used to force citizen who do not participate in the barbarity of abortion to now participate against their concience and their will.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

You can go into any gas station and purchase male birth control.

Why the religious argument against female birth control?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Hutterite,
Which of YOUR constitutional rights should we violate, then tell you to just lump it and move on? The 5th, 4th, 14th, 13th? Which?

Furry,
I do not understand why these so-called "health” institutions think they are justified in trying to impose their positions and dogma on everyone else contrary to the protections provided in the US CONSTITUTION. Liberal dogma trumps that out-dated old rag anyway.

Pagan
No religious organizations are fighting female birth control, just the unconstitutional mandate that they violate their religious convictions. Nice obfuscation and misstatement, though.

Another Perspective
Bountiful, UT

Lets keep in mind here that birth control really isn't an evil in that it doesn't hurt anyone. Religions teach good principals, but unfortunately they also make up arbitrary rules that burden peoples lives needlessly. This isn't harmless. It degrades peoples happiness and it diverts peoples energy that could have gone towards them resisting real evil.

It isn't right that women get less health coverage just because they work for a religious organization.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

My dear Lost in DC,

It is funny you keep on quoting "Ammendments" to the Constitution. So, our inspired founder fathers didn't get it right the first time. Therefore, it was necessary for other inspired people to fix it...... How convenient!

I don't know about you. But I have not seen a true Christian as President Obama in the White House for a long time. President Obama seems to embody the principles of justice and fairness that Christ preached and the founders of this nation conceived.

DN rejected my previous post for containing "according to the moderators" vulgarities and obscenities. But I just wanted to say to you and others that the Religious groups, Jewish, Christian, Muslim (usually monotheistics) are usually fighting for political control. Which make sense since they believe to have the truth.

I believe in God and His inspiration. I have difficulties with men and their greed and ambition.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

No religious organizations are fighting female birth control, just the unconstitutional mandate that they violate their religious convictions. - lost in DC

How can you claim to be defending religious convictions...

and claim that you are NOT, a religious organization.

Again, the title of this story is...

‘Religious organizations 'disappointed' by latest offer on birth control mandate’

Split hairs as much as you like, you still have zero evidence to be against birth control for women...

but not, for men.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Government paying for birth control is an insult?

George
Bronx, NY

@worf

While its unfortunate that you feel insulted, there is no constitutional right to not be.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Shouldn't those who are adamantly opposed to abortion be the strongest supporters of birth control?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To lost in DC 8:30 p.m. Feb. 2, 2013

Furry,
I do not understand why these so-called "health” institutions think they are justified in trying to impose their positions and dogma on everyone else contrary to the protections provided in the US CONSTITUTION. Liberal dogma trumps that out-dated old rag anyway.

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They're not trying to violate anything. Insurance companies should provide identical complete, comprehensive and basic health care coverage to everyone in return for a premium paid to the company for the coverage, and each person should then be able to decide what parts of the coverage s/he wants to use (example - as a woman, I would have no use at all for the portion of insurance covering me that would treat male impotence). Employers shouldn't get into health decisions or insurance coverage at all. Issue resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I believe in free agency. However, the environment needs to be created first. Force these businesses which call themselves religious institutions offer the same health care as the rest of us business owners. Here, the garden of Eden is set. Now, let the children, (the workers) decide what they will do with heir agency. If they want to use it for birth control, fine. If not, fine. But they need to have agency.

Taking away agency and trying to shelter people was never part of God's plan

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

The government does things everyday that "someone" is bound to find objectionable, even on religious grounds. Given the back bending (no cost to religious objectors) accommodation proposed, it should be crystal clear that this fight is purely political.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Baccus0902

Obama may support some christian principles.

but his methods are certainly NOT.

Obama's methods involve teaching hate for certain groups, peoples, and organizations,

and Depriving others of rights and properties to impose his "principles",

and otherwise running rough-shod over the constitution.

Nothing Christ-like about it, no love, no choice, no agency,

just the choices he allows you.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

to lost in DC

Pagan raised a perfectly valid point. To answer the question of Why?

Because it allows women to chose their own destiny.

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