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Published: Thursday, Jan. 31 2013 7:15 p.m. MST

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Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

Perhaps a better understanding of homosexual persons wotuld be helpful. My experience with homopsexuals men is that they seek a gay partner their own age whom hey fall in love with and wish to have a life together. They do not prey on young boys and girls as do pediphiles. They contribute much to the beautification and upkeep of their homes and neighborhoods. They are productive contributors in their employment/careers, communities. They seek to live a life of integrity. Homosexuals have parents, sisters and brothers, grandparent, aunts and uncles, nephews and nieces.

bsutefan
Salt Lake City, UT

JoeBlow -
While I hear your point about individual troops deciding how to set their own admission criteria, my question is what will become of the funding that comes from BSA registration that goes to the national BSA? The LDS church covers registration fees for their scouts...those funds go to the national BSA, and are redistributed to all BSA troops, right? So while individual troops may decide their own admission standards, their registration funds go toward all troops. Therefore, by association with the BSA, you need to have clear understanding of the organizational goals you are associating with.

That said, i still anticipate a growing level of inclusion and sensitivity from the LDS church...However, rushing to a decision without discussion is not the best decision. Collect feedback, work WITH each group, not in secret, and make a decision that serves the collective whole.

Perception is a dangerous path to take, but it is certainly interesting that the national BSA board is so far down this road without ever seeking feedback from individual counsels. Our country would be better off if we listened and considered what others have to say, particularly those we disagree with

The Atheist
Provo, UT

Our time will come... soon.

For now, we will support the fight for equality for our gay and lesbian fellow-citizens.

wamba
Layton, UT

So excited for this change. In my LDS ward, we are supposed to encourage gay youth and adults to participate. The Boy Scouts should be the same way. It's hard to let go of the traditions and prejudices of the past (common theme throughout the Book of Mormon). It's time for us to shed some of our own sinful ideas and be more Christlike.

NT
SomewhereIn, UT

@Joan Watson

Your statement made me laugh: Homosexuals have parents, sisters and brothers, grandparent, aunts and uncles, nephews and nieces.

You could have added that "a dog is not a cat"

By the way, it is your limited "experience" with homosexual men that has caused you to take a very narrow and naive view of what constitutes gay or homosexuality.

Nevertheless, the LDS Church will continue to invite all to Come Unto Christ. It will not lower its standards. Ever. The writing is on the wall, however, with the gay agenda and the fact that such agenda-driven groups take great pleasure in imposing themselves on the values of organizations like the BSA and others, and because the Church will not bend to ever-evolving worldly "standards," the Church and the BSA will part ways.

And, the Church will not skip a beat, contrary to objectives of it opposition.

oldcougar
Orem, UT

Joining a non-government, private organization is not, nor has it ever been, a right. Joining the scouts is a privilege granted by the leaders/members of the organization. It cannot be legislated. I am not a homophobe, nor do I have any antipathy toward gays, but please don't force your moral values on others. If you don't like the views and values of the organization, why would you worry about joining it or argue for anyone's right to join it?

wamba
Layton, UT

Several people are worried about what is going to happen to the BSA's funding when this change goes through and everyone who opposes it stops donating. From a financial perspective, this is exactly the right moment for the BSA to enact this change. For decades people have been feeling a change in their hearts as they recognize that our old prejudices against gay people are wrong. The support for LGBT rights has passed the tipping point, and the number of people still holding on to old wrong traditions will only dwindle in the future. From a moral standpoint, the BSA should have made this change a long time ago because we have known for a long time that gay men are less likely than straight men to abuse children and the practice of excluding gay youth only damages kids and perpetuates harmful attitudes in the kids who participate. From a financial standpoint, though, now is precisely the right moment for the Scouts to make this change.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Coach Biff,

Do tell.

It is easy to throw such words around. Please back it up. Inform us all of the official Church position on openly gay men serving in Church leadership positions. Then please inform us how the members of Bishoprics and YM Presidencies do NOT oversee the activities of Scouting, etc.

If I am misinformed, I would gladly welcome being set straight (no pun intended).

Really???
Kearns, UT

Why do so many of you assume that because a young man or adult is gay he must be committing moral sin? Go read the Mormons and Gays website, and see what your leaders are saying. It's high time we get off our holier than thou attitudes and stop excluding people who are "less worthy than we."

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

For those who think that this would allow individual scouting units to decide. I believe it's sponsoring organizations that would decide. For example, the LDS church currently modifies the scouting program for the packs, troops, teams, and crews that their wards sponsor. This change wouldn't allow individual LDS packs, troops, teams, and crews to decide for themselves on the issue, it allows the LDS church to decide and/or modify that policy for its units as it sees fit.

BTW, I'm for waiting and discussing more as this seems hasty and has caught folks off guard.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

I find it interesting that so many people would be so upset that spring street would dare suggest the world is not getting worse.

@cinci man

according to the center for disease control (CDC) research teenagers are actually waiting longer to have sex.
The bureau of criminal statistics support spring streets statements on crime and if you read their website you will see what they have actually done to improve reporting not hinder it.
according to the CDC research alcohol consumption ticked up about 1% recently so you are kind of right there but I don't think i would call it "out of control."

which leads me to ask why are people so desperate to believe the world is getting worse when reality just doe not support such claims? Is it about the perceived lose of power religions believed they had over society? what is it?

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

for those that are concerned about pedophilia you need to be more concerned about the straight scout leaders being alone with your child since straight people are more likely to actually commit acts of pedophilia according to the APA and CDC's research.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@oldcoug
So how is your insisting that the BSA (a private organization) maintain your views on this issue any less forcing your moral values on them then those that want them to change it. maybe based on your argument you should let them decide.

funny_guy
Vacaville, CA

I have been involved in Scouting for many years and have 'suggested' to Church leaders on numerous occasions that it is time we disassociate with Boy Scout of America. They have already done a good job of removing God from the Scouting program. There are many Scouting activities that involve women Scout leaders and troops allowing girls. The problem is not with females per se, but that a big part of Scouting is to teach boys how to be men. I dare say women really don't have this ability and girls need to be taught to be women. Other issues surround allowing gay leaders. Gay boys in Scouts is generally not a problem as they tend to 'come out' when they are older. Boy Scouts is simply opening a can of worms in an attempt to appear tolerant and politically correct.

Wyominguy
Buffalo, WY

I certainly will pray for the leadership to take additional time to ponder what is a Huge decision. In my personal view I am opposed to the change; not for the reasons many might suspect such as predatory activities by gay adult leaders. My opposition to having gay youth leaders is that by virtue of accepting them we then accept the behavior, or make the behavior right in the eyes of impressionable youth. Im very aware we have had gay leaders forever, and they have served well, however we have not had openly gay leaders and there is a clear difference.

Grandpa Dave
Draper, UT

I have been involved with scouting for over 30 years. I am totally against the Boy Scouts changing the stand on this issue. The scout oath states "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country ... To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and MORALLY STRAIGHT. Now the world would have them believe that being morally straight is no longer required. I would refuse to allow any scout to be put in a situation where he might be endanger with other boys that are gay ... Or with a leader who they are to look up to and respect that is gay. HONOR is what scouting is about. I hope and pray that the leaders of the BSA will do the right thing and the honorable thing in keeping and maintaining the standards, beliefs, and OATH of the scouts. Don't let us and millions of scouts down!!!!!

skooby
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Here is the new Scout Oath...

On a whim I will do my best, until it suits me otherwise
To do my duty to Science and my country
and to obey the Scout Law, or whatever;
To help other people, sometimes;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight-ish.

BTW, Oath means...

Oath
A solemn promise, often invoking a divine witness, regarding one's future action or behavior.
A sworn declaration that one will tell the truth, esp. in a court of law.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

As was said, scouting is about boys. It is ALL about boys, not adults, and not as complicated as the adults are trying to make it. The boys, who are the story here, simply want to be Boy Scouts, just like generations before them have wanted to be, and do what they all dreamed of doing, no doubt fueled by tales told by big brothers and friends who told stories of their exciting adventures. What they know of gay or straight or anything surrounding those issues, we don't know--and no doubt it varies from boy to boy. But if they want to be Scouts, we do know it's a really big deal to each one, and whatever is said in these comments or any other, or in any article or discussion is immaterial to a boy who simply looks forward to being a Tenderfoot and earning his first badge.

Really???
Kearns, UT

I would be willing to wager that the BSA board discussed this upcoming meeting with the sponsoring organizations before they decided to call for one. Governing boards do go into such things without consulting with the highest stakeholders prior to announcing things to the public.

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

atl134, sexual abuse of children is overwhelmingly a male thing. The experience from the Girl Scouts says very little, since women, gay or straight, almost never abuse children.

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