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Published: Thursday, Jan. 31 2013 7:15 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

This is a good idea to wait. This is a serious issue with potentially serious consequences.

We should be very careful with our young people.

spring street

Try to stall all you want the world is changing for the better and there is no reason to turn back.

cambodia girl
Phnom Penh, Cambodia

Dear Spring Street,

The world is changing for the better??? That's the first time I have heard that. Look around. Things are not getting better. Values, language, work ethics have all gone down hill.

The BSA need to beware lest God is taken out of the oath, next.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

The BSA has the right to choose what is best for their children. I have the right to choose what is best for mine.

spring street

@cambodia girl
The damaging influance of your brand of "values" have gone down hill. We live in a society that shows greater justice and equality, our crime rates, teen pregnency rates and abortion rates are low In relation to other times in history. I am sorry it is getting harder for you to force your prejudices onto society but it does not mean the society is getting worse.

Cache, UT

@ cambodia girl.

Bravo! I agree with you completely.

@spring street.

Influance? I think your idea that our society is in a positive point in history is warped. I think that people who think like you are a negative influence on a decent society.

Salt Lake City, UT

The BSA chose to ignore this decision before.

Today, they are trying to avoid it again.

You cannot continue to avoid any rational justification for denying decent Americans the same rights as others.

Today, tomorrow, all americans will be able to join the BSA.

Regardless of orientation.

Murray, UT

There are a half-dozen BSA employees making a 6-figure salary that are sweating in their boots knowing that this decision could cost them their jobs in Utah.

Maricopa, AZ

Well spring street, I guess it depends on which side of God you are standing on to say that things are better now than before.
God is being taken out of our schools, our pledges, prayer out of school and removed from hundreds of public markers and statues that have stood for over a century.
Sorry, but today's morals and the level of corruption in business and government exceeds that of any time in this country's history.
Your's is a perfect example of calling good evil and evil good.
I suspect the Utah BSA along with many other states are preparing for plan B in case BSA actually chooses to open the doors to outside pressure.
And it will not bode well for BSA if they cave in on this important issue.
To put in off onto each individual districts is cowardly in my opinion and I'm surprised they haven't consulted and counseled with the organization overall.
Or perhaps they knew what the answer would be.
Sad times for BSA.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Yeah, we wouldn't want any consequences like equality and open-mindedness to plague our children.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ AZrods

God loves all his children, regardless of sexual orientation.

Also, God doesn't NEED to be in schools and public places. If you believe that he is truly omnipotent than he is already there anyway. He doesn't have to be invited by a plaque on a statue.

Your point about corruption is wrong as well. Monopolies were rampant in the early 19th century, especially in the steel and railroad industries. As for politics; it's ALWAYS been politics.

spring street

God is not being removed from the pledge. Hundreds of public markers and statues that have been around for more then a century? Care to name a fe

Calling good evil and evil good? Like claiming the significantly low numbers I referred to earlier as bad or the fact that we are becoming a more just society evil? Claiming oppression of others free agency is good? That calling good evil and evil good?


The facts I listed above are what they are, if you believe those low numbers represent a declining society then I have wonder what you onsider a healthy society. I understand that in order for your beliefs to be true and The hope if a second coming happening in your lifetime means society has to be failing but it's just not reality.

Ogden, UT

Twofer: "God doesn't NEED to be in schools etc."

No he doesn't NEED to be there, but we NEED Him there.

Simply put, if the BSA adopts this change then the LDS, Baptist Churches etc. will form their own organization(s).

Ogden, UT

The world is not a better place today than in earlier era's.

-Drug abuse and in particular Meth and prescription drugs abuse is rampant.

All too frequently we hear about mass violence i.e. Sandy Hook and Aurora.

Sexual and other abuse of children is an ongoing abomination.

Any organization that accepts that something is not of God will not knowingly allow their children to be lead by those actively participating in those lifestyle choices. The BSA has the right to make a change, it'll just be without a large portion of its support, the LDS Church.

All are children of God and all of us our brothers and sisters, we should treat each other with respect and love, while holding to our principles that we feel are right.

Alexandria, VA

Funny - the LDS Church changed a while ago - why is the Utah Council so far behind?

Kearns, UT

I am so dismayed at how unkind so many readers of this newspaper still are. Recently, the LDS Church releases a new website invited gay members of the church to return. It's also an invitation for the rest of the members to be less judgmental and more accepting. Unfortunately, that isn't apparently happening.

Now, the BSA is considering accepting gay scouts and leaders into their troops. I suspect this sudden change may have resulted from some input from LDS headquarters in Salt Lake City. Let's think a minute here. The church has a website that tells gay members they should feel welcome at all church meetings, yet one of the biggest programs for young men that is supported by the church still bans them from participating. That's not very accepting, is it. It's absolutely not very welcoming.

The reality is that many Boy Scout troops already have members who are gay. They just aren't open about it. This is just another step to help those young men live up to the scouting ideal of being honest.

Layton, UT

The Utah Scout council appears to be very open about their motivations, and they're right, Scouting is about the boys.

I personally hope that they will find a way to resolve their concerns so that this issue can be addressed. I'm tired of this issue being so prevalent among young people. It shouldn't be.

It'd be nice to have an organization that doesn't pretend it doesn't exist, but doesn't glorify the issue either. Let's get back to teaching boys to do their duty to God and their country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep themselves physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.

Given the context, I can understand they need time to fully contemplate what this impact will have on the concept of being morally straight, but it's a good debate to have...

Sandy, UT

I am not anti-gay. I just do not think these things need to be public.
I think whatever a person does behind their bedroom door is a private matter.
No reason to publicize ,I also believe in civil unions for insurance coverage and
inheritance purposes but, again Does not to be aired out all over the place..

S.Andrew Zaelit
Deseret, UT

The most troubling point of this article, and the articles only point ironically enough is involvement. National did not do its due diligence to reach out and poll it Chartering Organizations in the Councils, Districts, and Units. We are where the rubber meets the road. The Chartering Organization's is where the full impact of this decision will be felt. Shame on National for this rush. Regardless of the outcome the best way to proceed is to stop, poll registered members, tabulate the results, then proceed. The opinion of the registered members are the only ones that really matter. National needs to ignore those who have no verifiable interest in their decision. No more of this ready fire aim business.

Cedar City, UT

This is not about sexual orientation. It is about morals. Very few believe that being homosexual is wrong. Many believe that acting upon those desires is wrong. One is a choice the other is not. if every natural tendency we have as humans were deemed morally good and legal, then the world would be in a lot of trouble.

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