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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 30 2013 6:25 p.m. MST

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ute4ever
West Jordan, UT

C - : How will BYU ever get to 7,8,9,10 wins without 6 WAC teams on the schedule?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Y's Guy:

The last time Whit faced Michigan...he beat them. And then went on to win the Sugar Bowl during YOUR "Quest for Perfection".

Whittingham is 2-2 vs. UCLA. If we get an "F", so does UCLA.

All of Whittingham's games vs. USC and Oregon were competitive.

We DO get an "F" vs. Washington.

And YOU get an "F" for logic. Next time, don't be so frantic and emotional.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

A+ for schedule. 3 marquee programs. 7 competitive programs. 2 cupcakes. Would love to see this every year. Swapping Virginia for WSU and Nevada for Hawaii at the 11th hour improved the schedule.

B- for coaching changes. Recycling Anae as OC will be better than what we had, but I would have liked to see a more risky move. The next Chip Kelly has to be out there somewhere. DuPaix and his Option mentality was not a good fit for BYU. But none of us understood why Cahoon was fired. No announcement regarding Doman is a concern and taking so long to find a QB coach is troubling. If Detmer is announced, I will raise this grade. If Max Hall is announced, I'm even more worried.

JmThms
Henderson, NV

Chris B:

Hows that inferiority complex workin for ya?

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Naval Vet,
I agree that an F is not justified, but I don't see anything better than a D. No bowl game, and Whitt has yet to beat a team with a winning record. Nobody remembers that you competed, only that you won or lost. The Cougars competed against Texas, who cares; they still lost. In fact, they were just a few plays away from only having one loss, but I don't care, they still lost. Remove your emotions and the best you can give Whitt is a D.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Naval Vet

Regardless of the name attached to the team, Whit's job of beating good PAC 12 teams - "F"

Utah is still winless against conference foes with winning records, and he's managed to lose to a couple of them, most glaringly, Colorado - grade versus bad teams - "F"

Utah did have some very good wins in 2008, but barely beating the Wolverines(3-9) 25-23 was not one of them.

Bronco's record versus USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, and Michigan

2-1 versus UCLA, 59-0 for BYU last meeting
2-0 versus Washington
1-0 versus Oregon, 38-8 for BYU in only meeting

Hasn't played USC, Stanford or Michigan, yet

Y's Guy
Salt Lake City, UT

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

"Frantic and emotional'? LOL

Not very sensitive, are we?

As I recall (and you apparently don't), the Y has beat Washington, Michigan, Stanford, UCLA, Oregon.

But, keep the knee-jerk reactions coming. They're really quite humorous.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Y's Guy:

As I recall, (and you apparently don't), your point was that Whittingham gets an "F------" for not "beating USC, ucla, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, etc", and you were proven to be illogical, frantic and emotional. So what do you do? In typical cougar fashion, you try to change the argument. Too late. You lost.

I don't recall seeing the Y beating UWa, Mich, Stanford, UCLA, OR Oregon last season at all. If you were referring to the all-time series, the ONLY team on that list the U had never beaten was Washington. But then again, We HAVE beaten USC a few times whereas you had not.

Now look what you did. You just embarrassed yourself again.

Ronald Uharriet
SWun City, Ca.

When talking about the 2013 season, without including the 2012 and 2011 seasons which I thought weree terruble, I would give an A- grand for the scheudle if not an A.
Scheduling Idaho was not good. As the Saragin poll points out, it only hurts us, win, lose or draw. It dramatically tears down our strength of schedule at a time that we want to be noticed by the Pac 12, Big 12, Sec, or Acc.

We could have chosen, instead of the Idaho School, the available teams that would added to our respect i.e. Syracuse, Missouri, or Wake Forest. This would have earned an A+ grade for scheduling from me.

Don’t misunderstand me, I do consider the A- to A grade almost excellent. I am grateful for the schedue that we do have vs. Texas, Wisconsin, ND, Ga Tec., Boise State, Va., and Utah.
I didn’t think that I would ever see the day that I would consider Utah State as an equal.
Houston has it’s ups and down years as a mid major. I hate to say it, but Hawaii has been terrible since June Jones left.

Robroy
Murray, utah

Holmoe, A-, really good job. His majesty, Dr. Hill, D- for being afraid to play BYU, a team his team beats regularly. Can't really see his logic. Hopefully when he comes crawling back to BYU to schedule games Holmoe will send him packing.

caleb in new york
Glen Cove, NY

I think there is only 1 patsy on this schedule - Idaho State. Middle Tennessee State thrashed Georgia Tech last year. So although BYU will be favored against them its not just a show up and win game like Idaho St. will be.

Striker
Omaha, NE

Utah State, a stand up program??!!! I needed a good laugh today! One good season doesn't make them a good program all of the sudden...that takes consistency. USU is nothing more than the 3rd wheel in the state, just like most programs are with a hot rivalry and little bro wanting to be a part and they never will, and they have 'state' in their name.

Just like....
MSU is to Michigan/OSU
NC State is to NC/Duke
Iowa State is to Nebraska/Iowa

gamer
PROVO, UT

A+ for this Year, B, for years past, B+ for years to come.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Naval Vet

Your response to Y's Guy original comment--as is often the case--changed the subject (from recent the Utes recent history to their overall history).
Let me remind you that Y's Guy original post pointed out that since joining the PAC12 (and thereby scheduling USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, etc) that Whit's teams deserve an F in winning those high profile games. My quick google search uncovers that Y's Guy was correct... in the last two season the Utes went 1-4 in games against the teams he mentioned. Most objective observers would give a 20% winning percentage an F. Not that this is horrible or unexpected, I doubt BYU would have fared any better in those games.
I'm simply posting because I believe that when someone accuses another of being illogical, frantic, emotional, and changing the subject... that they should probably not post in a way that is illogical, frantic, emotional, and changes the subject. Or does that not apply to trolls?

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Striker

"Utah State, a stand up program??!!! I needed a good laugh today! One good season doesn't make them a good program all of the sudden...that takes consistency. USU is nothing more than the 3rd wheel in the state, just like most programs are with a hot rivalry and little bro wanting to be a part and they never will, and they have 'state' in their name.

Just like....
MSU is to Michigan/OSU
NC State is to NC/Duke
Iowa State is to Nebraska/Iowa"

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First, I'm pretty sure that Nebraska isn't in Iowa so you might want to fix your example. Second, USU isn't a one year wonder... Gary Anderson has been building the program over a number of years and they have seen consistent improvement. RIGHT NOW the Aggies are probably the best football program in the state, I wouldn't dismiss them so easily if I were you. Who knows what Anderson's departure will do to the program but I think the recent USU success and their joining of the MWC makes them a bona fide contender in-state.

BYUSU
Wellsville, UT

@ Striker

"Utah State a stand up program? I needed a good laugh today. One good season doesn't make them a good program all of a sudden.. that takes consistency."

Just how many years does it take to have consistency? Is the two years of Utah losing in the PAC make consistency?
If USU beats Utah this year then I'm sure Utah will leave USU behind like they did BYU. Then I guess Utah will need to use Weber State for their bowl game. After all they are another "State" team.
Tom Holome would get a A- for the great work he has done.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Striker

Utah State, a stand up program??!!! ... One good season doesn't make them a good program... USU is nothing more than the 3rd wheel in the state... and they have 'state' in their name.

Just like....
MSU is to Michigan/OSU
NC State is to NC/Duke
Iowa State is to Nebraska/Iowa"

What a strange, disjointed post.

As others have posted, Gary Anderson has been building a solid program in Logan for several years and the Aggies were clearly the best team in the state in 2012.

Your pejorative "state" little brother argument is silly, especially since you used Ohio STATE as Michigan's rival.

Arizona STATE usually has a better football program than Arizona
Florida STATE is hardly a little brother to Florida (depends on the year)
Ohio STATE / Ohio - laughable
Penn STATE / Penn - hysterical
Louisiana STATE / does Louisiana U even exist?

The point is, don't be so quick to dismiss the Aggies.

The Aggies cracked the AP Poll in 1961.
The Utes didn't crack the AP Poll until 1994.

And until 2003, 1994 was Utah's ONLY AP Top 25 finish.

Sometimes teams re-emerge, while other teams fade. It happens.

Big J
Bountiful, UT

Yes the 2013 schedule has some better games and some late in the year as well. So what will it produce?
For Sure Wins – Mid Tenn & Idaho St
50-50 Wins – these games could go either way – Virginia, Georgia Tech, U of Houston
Possible Wins – If BYU gets lucky – Utah State & Nevada
For Sure Losses – Texas, Utah, Boise State, Wisconsin, Norte Dame

Out of the shoot BYU will have at least 5 losses on the year but it could be worse than that. This is not the exposure you are looking for. Additionally, once you get that first loss, the season is shot. Much better to be in the safety of the old MWC.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Big J

Actually, BYU's 2013 Schedule is exactly the kind of exposure and strong competition BYU is looking for.

Gotta love the angst and predictions of doom and gloom this schedule is generating from the kids on the hill, though.

You're obviously worried about the seismic shift in national prestige a schedule like this could produce if BYU is successful. All that talk about what a miserable failure BYU was going to be as an Independent will be resoundingly silenced.

As far as the season being shot with one loss, the schedule is strong enough that BYU could absorb a loss to a good team and still be in contention for an at-large BCS bowl.

And with ESPN as a partner, the national exposure will grow exponentially with every BYU win.

The positives of such a schedule far out weigh the negatives.

ldsrebirth
Virginia Beach, VA

Tough Scedule. It's possible they may have a losing season? Middle Tenn plays well, and are not a push over. I hope to see them when they visit UVA.

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