Why is everyone all so excited about enacting new laws when we do not enforce
the ones we have. If a felon tries to by a gun and is stupid enough to get
caught, his odds of prosecution are less than 1/1000. At those odds, anyone who
really wants a gun will keep trying until they get one.Why
don't we just pass a law making murder illegal - oh we already did that.
How many of the murders would have been prevented with additional background
checks - not many. Even if you had a fool-proof background check, criminals can
still steal the guns. Thanks to one New York newspaper, all the criminals in
New York know where to get them. There have even been numerous instances of
guns being stolen out of police cars. If you are scared of guns, please do not
buy one. Likewise, please do not infringe on my rights just to make youself
re: GZEI love it! Every politician in Washington
"distrusts the gov't".... they, as you put so well, forget that
they are the government.It's always comforting to me to know we
send the richest people to Washington, not the smartest. Ha, Ha...
The Govt' is worried about protecting us from guns -- Yet they were running
guns to Mexico, and now sending F-16s and tanks to Egypt to a regime who is led
by Muslim Brotherhood who wants to kill Americans and any one else who oppose
them.when will the stupidity end?
bandersen A child psychiatrist did extensive research on Columbine and
determined both shooters were mentally ill. Adam Lanza's mother was in
the process of having him committed to a mental institution. How is teaching
morality to our children going to solve the problem of gun violence committed by
menally ill individuals? How is keeping firearms away from criminals and
mentally ill people infringing on the second amendment? The problem is you
can't committ someone unless you can prove they are a danger to themselves
or others. A standard almost impossible to meet.
If you want to actually make a difference in this debate, strengthen the
unalienable God given rights. It is certain that every one of those involved in
these mass shootings had no conception, understanding, belief, or desire to
follow God. Encourage everyone to own, operate, and understand their God given
right to own a gun, as well as defending and understanding all of the other
unalienable rights and obligations from God, and a peaceful society is possible.
Take them away, or sever those rights from God, and you put government in
charge of what is right and wrong, a scary position at best. I would encourage
everyone to stand up for God, who gave those rights to man for a reason,
notwithstanding the Godless intent of those who commit these horrible
Orrin Hatch "doesn't trust the Federal Government"? Newsflash
Senator:" You are the federal government!
Lee thinks the government is overreaching by simply existing. Yet he is part of
MarkB- the government shouldn't be responsible for teaching morality.
Parents should. I think this is part of the fundamental problem here. MOST gun
crime comes from inner city, urban areas where there are high numbers of broken
homes, unemployment, drug use, gangs, so on. Most of these kids get their guns
on the street from criminals, or the guys they're selling drugs for. None
of them go to gun shows or Cabelas, because they know they wouldn't pass a
check. They are so many shootings in this type of setting that they actually get
little news anymore. But when a suburban kid or a middle class guy shoots some
people, like in a theater or office building, or school, it takes on a whole
new look. These types of shootings are rare compared to everyday gun violence
within urban areas and gangs. But they get the most press because it sells
better, and helps the leftist agenda against guns. My point is, 99.9% of gun
owners in this country never shoot at a human, the problem isn't guns,
it's the criminal mindset of some and they will do it with or without a
Thanks to Senators Hatch and Lee for their eloquence expressed in this article
standing for the constitution and the rights of the state and people of Utah.
The government cycle:* exaggerate a crisis* display great
concern* propose new research based programs* create a need for
added funding* pass new laws, taxes, and requirementsWait a
few years, and start the cycle again.Soon the infrastructure, gun
control, discrimination, healthcare, poor people, and environmental protection
cycle will resurface, and plunge us further in debt.I don't
understand why the Americans keep falling for this.
I read with interest this article and couldn't help but feel the bias in
the reporting. Is the objective of the Deseret News to only support Hatch and
Lee by selective reporting? It appears so. This article failed to point out
how Hatch and Lee act as obstructionists to any change in gun safety, and how
they are out of step with nearly 90% of Americans who support universal
backgrund checks. This article failed to cite any supporters of changes to
current gun safety laws. It also failed to report on how silly Wayne LaPierre
looked as he refused to directly answer the question about whether he supports
universal background checks. Biased reporting from a biased newspaper. I hope
the readers of the Deseret News, like those of Fox News, widen their sources and
seek information from other less biased sources.
Will "journalists" please get their terminology right? They aren't
"automatic" weapons, meaning a spray of bullets, i.e. a machine gun.
Nobody is talking about those, they've been illegal to sell for many years.
They are trying to ban "semi-automatic", meaning one bullet for every
time you pull the trigger, and another bullet is loaded ready to fire again.
Which is what almost all guns sold today are.As far as the Second
Amendment - it says "shall not be infringed". Most gun laws do exactly
that. The founding fathers didn't put it in there because the deer
population was out of control. They'd just overthrown one oppressive
government, and wanted us to be in a position to prevent the next government
from becoming oppressive.Feel free to decide YOU don't need a
gun. Please stop trying to prevent me from having mine. And if I think I need
a 30 round magazine in case of a home invasion, well, that is my judgement, not
yours.But first, let's fix mental healthcare. Families
can't get help for ill members, until they do something illegal. Sometimes
that's way too late.
America pays a price for freedom. No country can legislate morality. Many of you
are preaching to the choir. Lawbreakers and criminals are out of the loop when
it comes to "gun control", the rest of us defend our freedom the way we
have to in this failing world.Obama and his crowd is more European
than American. The NRA supports our freedom so give them credit for what you
enjoy. Wayne La Pierre knows what he is talking about. Why not prosecute to the
full extent of the law those who abuse their freedom by commiting crimes using
guns?This is what you should all be talking about. Our justice system is
mostly broken. Get real.
Senator Hatch and Lee were pretty irrelevant in the past federal election and
seemingly continue to be.Instead of purporting this states gun law
(which does not work) A friend of mine who is a felon was able to procure a
pistol in less than 10 minutes from a gun shop.Look at new laws that
can be enforced, ie drugs and guns tend to go to go together. How about
outlawing anyone with a drug conviction from owning a gun, manadatory time if
they are caught.People with guns are dangerous, trained people with
guns can be helpful. We do not turn truck drivers loose in the state without
competency exams, why would we do it for gun owners?When a drunk
driver runs over someone rarely is it on purpose yet we penalize them and in
some cases incarcerate them, if a gun shoots someone accidentally they go free,
why is that?Years ago drunk drivers were seldom punished, but by
putting laws in place drunk driver kills have been reduced by 70%, lives have
been saved.The same thing can happen with guns. Ignore lifetime
politicians, use your head.
First, enforce current gun laws, see what the effect is and then if new
regulations are needed address it at that time. There is a problem, but adding
new laws that also will likely not be enforced is foolishness. Don't the
folks in Washington have more pressing issues with the failing economy to work
The second amendment is non negotiable. No compromise. The Military has fought
many wars to defend the constitution and now many cowards will bargain away
their and my rights for a feel good safety.No thanks.
I thought Mr Hatch was Reprsentative of the Federal Government"Hatch said it was evident from the LaPierre's testimony that the
federal government hasn't done enough to enforce gun laws already on the
books. "I don't trust the (federal) government. …
We're going to have to be very forceful with how the (current) laws are
enforced," he said. "And I think Utah does do that."Something doesnt add up here
I wonder why he could not understand this when he gave a gold star to the Obama
If we restrict law abiding people from getting guns then who will stop the
criminal from getting guns? And how will we stop criminals from getting guns?
Kudos to Sens. Hatch and Lee for standing up for second amendment rights!
I don't hear anyone objecting to the more universal use of the current
background check required of those who purchase guns at stores. It seems
closing the gun show loophole might make it less convenient for those who
don't currently qualify for gun ownership. How about making that a
separate piece of legislation?
In defense of Orrin, I think he really believes most things he says. He just
does not know what a lot of it means. I don't own a gun and I don't
care if someone else does. For me it is a safety issue. I know my family is
safer by not having one in the house. Thats a fact. For those people who do
own a gun it ludicrous to think society can't but limitations on it. The
constitution guarentees the right to bear arms but it also lets goverment put
restrictions (laws) on the purchase and ownership of them. The Federal
Goverment has not over stepped it's constutional right to govern and
everything the lib's are proposing is also constitional. Senator Hatch
needs to stop fanning the flames of hysteria and engage in a dialogue which will
make our country safer.
old man,Hatch is afraid of the NRA?Why should he be - he says
he's not running again.just more hate speach from the DNC and
MSNBC repeated by one old man
In the same line of thinking, Cars do not kill people, people do. We should
eliminate seat belts, safe windshields, horns, etc...
The article and comments raise a number of questions:If current
proposals are "too far" then what would be "far enough" or
"just right"?If Hatch doesn't trust "the
government", why doesn't he look into openings in the House of
Lords?Who should be in charge of determining, or even defining, WHO
is "criminally insane"?How does "the government"
make sure morality is taught in the home?Since the US leads the
world in per capita gun ownership, then why is it NOT the world's safest
country if having more guns (the NRA mantra) makes us safer?How much
should military spending be reduced in order that regular gun owners have the
edge in combat - the theory allegedly held by the Founding Fathers?
We can solve this without trampling on the constitution.1) First we
need to get serious about providing adequate mental health care to all who need
it. Health care not only should be considered a right, but we now see if we
don't provide it there is a highhigh price to pay.2) Kids need
to be taught morality at home and at school. Parents should be encouraged to do
this and schools should be mandated.This problem is not a gun
problem, it is a people problem, and until we recognize this and then take
appropriate action, this problem will not be fixed. The criminally insane will
always find a way and an other tool to kill.
I always find it curious that members of Congress refer to the federal
government as if they are not part of it and therefore accept no blame for wrong
doing or inactivity.
Can anyone please tell me what makes an AR-15 "assault weapon" more
dangerous than a Ruger Mini-14?Same caliber, same muzzle velocity,
same rate of fire. What's the difference, and why to Democrats want to ban
the one but not the other?Bueller? Anyone?
Just because you HAVE the right doesn't mean that it IS right. The
weapons-manic society we live it is out of control. The lives of dozens of
innocent children and teachers are not worth my "right" to have an
automative weapon, or a firearm of any kind.I cannot rely on
lawmakers in SLC or Washington, D.C. to have the moral courage to do the right
thing, so I did it. I dismantled my two hunting guns, put pieces of them in
garbage can each week, and now they are gone.I know for a fact that
those weapons will never be used to harm anyone. I invite each of you to DO
SOMETHING to eliminate weapons in our society.George R. SpelvinDavis County
Hatch and Lee are as frightened of the NRA as they are of the Tea Party.Too bad they lack the courage required to do what is right for America.