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Hatch, Lee say feds are overreaching with gun control

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  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Why is everyone all so excited about enacting new laws when we do not enforce the ones we have. If a felon tries to by a gun and is stupid enough to get caught, his odds of prosecution are less than 1/1000. At those odds, anyone who really wants a gun will keep trying until they get one.

    Why don't we just pass a law making murder illegal - oh we already did that. How many of the murders would have been prevented with additional background checks - not many. Even if you had a fool-proof background check, criminals can still steal the guns. Thanks to one New York newspaper, all the criminals in New York know where to get them. There have even been numerous instances of guns being stolen out of police cars. If you are scared of guns, please do not buy one. Likewise, please do not infringe on my rights just to make youself feel better.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    re: GZE

    I love it!

    Every politician in Washington "distrusts the gov't".... they, as you put so well, forget that they are the government.

    It's always comforting to me to know we send the richest people to Washington, not the smartest. Ha, Ha...

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Feb. 1, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    The Govt' is worried about protecting us from guns -- Yet they were running guns to Mexico, and now sending F-16s and tanks to Egypt to a regime who is led by Muslim Brotherhood who wants to kill Americans and any one else who oppose them.when will the stupidity end?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    bandersen A child psychiatrist did extensive research on Columbine and determined both shooters were mentally ill. Adam Lanza's mother was in the process of having him committed to a mental institution. How is teaching morality to our children going to solve the problem of gun violence committed by menally ill individuals? How is keeping firearms away from criminals and mentally ill people infringing on the second amendment? The problem is you can't committ someone unless you can prove they are a danger to themselves or others. A standard almost impossible to meet.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    If you want to actually make a difference in this debate, strengthen the unalienable God given rights. It is certain that every one of those involved in these mass shootings had no conception, understanding, belief, or desire to follow God. Encourage everyone to own, operate, and understand their God given right to own a gun, as well as defending and understanding all of the other unalienable rights and obligations from God, and a peaceful society is possible. Take them away, or sever those rights from God, and you put government in charge of what is right and wrong, a scary position at best. I would encourage everyone to stand up for God, who gave those rights to man for a reason, notwithstanding the Godless intent of those who commit these horrible atrocities.

  • GZE SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch "doesn't trust the Federal Government"? Newsflash Senator:" You are the federal government!

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    Lee thinks the government is overreaching by simply existing. Yet he is part of it.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    MarkB- the government shouldn't be responsible for teaching morality. Parents should. I think this is part of the fundamental problem here. MOST gun crime comes from inner city, urban areas where there are high numbers of broken homes, unemployment, drug use, gangs, so on. Most of these kids get their guns on the street from criminals, or the guys they're selling drugs for. None of them go to gun shows or Cabelas, because they know they wouldn't pass a check. They are so many shootings in this type of setting that they actually get little news anymore. But when a suburban kid or a middle class guy shoots some people, like in a theater or office building, or school, it takes on a whole new look. These types of shootings are rare compared to everyday gun violence within urban areas and gangs. But they get the most press because it sells better, and helps the leftist agenda against guns. My point is, 99.9% of gun owners in this country never shoot at a human, the problem isn't guns, it's the criminal mindset of some and they will do it with or without a gun.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Thanks to Senators Hatch and Lee for their eloquence expressed in this article standing for the constitution and the rights of the state and people of Utah.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 31, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    The government cycle:

    * exaggerate a crisis
    * display great concern
    * propose new research based programs
    * create a need for added funding
    * pass new laws, taxes, and requirements

    Wait a few years, and start the cycle again.

    Soon the infrastructure, gun control, discrimination, healthcare, poor people, and environmental protection cycle will resurface, and plunge us further in debt.

    I don't understand why the Americans keep falling for this.

  • Bergbub Midway, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    I read with interest this article and couldn't help but feel the bias in the reporting. Is the objective of the Deseret News to only support Hatch and Lee by selective reporting? It appears so. This article failed to point out how Hatch and Lee act as obstructionists to any change in gun safety, and how they are out of step with nearly 90% of Americans who support universal backgrund checks. This article failed to cite any supporters of changes to current gun safety laws. It also failed to report on how silly Wayne LaPierre looked as he refused to directly answer the question about whether he supports universal background checks. Biased reporting from a biased newspaper. I hope the readers of the Deseret News, like those of Fox News, widen their sources and seek information from other less biased sources.

  • Demisana South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Will "journalists" please get their terminology right? They aren't "automatic" weapons, meaning a spray of bullets, i.e. a machine gun. Nobody is talking about those, they've been illegal to sell for many years. They are trying to ban "semi-automatic", meaning one bullet for every time you pull the trigger, and another bullet is loaded ready to fire again. Which is what almost all guns sold today are.

    As far as the Second Amendment - it says "shall not be infringed". Most gun laws do exactly that. The founding fathers didn't put it in there because the deer population was out of control. They'd just overthrown one oppressive government, and wanted us to be in a position to prevent the next government from becoming oppressive.

    Feel free to decide YOU don't need a gun. Please stop trying to prevent me from having mine. And if I think I need a 30 round magazine in case of a home invasion, well, that is my judgement, not yours.

    But first, let's fix mental healthcare. Families can't get help for ill members, until they do something illegal. Sometimes that's way too late.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    America pays a price for freedom. No country can legislate morality. Many of you are preaching to the choir. Lawbreakers and criminals are out of the loop when it comes to "gun control", the rest of us defend our freedom the way we have to in this failing world.

    Obama and his crowd is more European than American. The NRA supports our freedom so give them credit for what you enjoy. Wayne La Pierre knows what he is talking about. Why not prosecute to the full extent of the law those who abuse their freedom by commiting crimes using guns?
    This is what you should all be talking about. Our justice system is mostly broken. Get real.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Senator Hatch and Lee were pretty irrelevant in the past federal election and seemingly continue to be.

    Instead of purporting this states gun law (which does not work) A friend of mine who is a felon was able to procure a pistol in less than 10 minutes from a gun shop.

    Look at new laws that can be enforced, ie drugs and guns tend to go to go together. How about outlawing anyone with a drug conviction from owning a gun, manadatory time if they are caught.

    People with guns are dangerous, trained people with guns can be helpful. We do not turn truck drivers loose in the state without competency exams, why would we do it for gun owners?

    When a drunk driver runs over someone rarely is it on purpose yet we penalize them and in some cases incarcerate them, if a gun shoots someone accidentally they go free, why is that?

    Years ago drunk drivers were seldom punished, but by putting laws in place drunk driver kills have been reduced by 70%, lives have been saved.

    The same thing can happen with guns. Ignore lifetime politicians, use your head.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    First, enforce current gun laws, see what the effect is and then if new regulations are needed address it at that time. There is a problem, but adding new laws that also will likely not be enforced is foolishness. Don't the folks in Washington have more pressing issues with the failing economy to work on?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 5:35 a.m.

    The second amendment is non negotiable. No compromise. The Military has fought many wars to defend the constitution and now many cowards will bargain away their and my rights for a feel good safety.No thanks.

  • BroJoseph Ogden, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 1:05 a.m.

    I thought Mr Hatch was Reprsentative of the Federal Government

    "Hatch said it was evident from the LaPierre's testimony that the federal government hasn't done enough to enforce gun laws already on the books.

    "I don't trust the (federal) government. … We're going to have to be very forceful with how the (current) laws are enforced," he said. "And I think Utah does do that."

    Something doesnt add up here

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 30, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    I wonder why he could not understand this when he gave a gold star to the Obama court nominies.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Jan. 30, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    If we restrict law abiding people from getting guns then who will stop the criminal from getting guns? And how will we stop criminals from getting guns?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    Kudos to Sens. Hatch and Lee for standing up for second amendment rights!

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    I don't hear anyone objecting to the more universal use of the current background check required of those who purchase guns at stores. It seems closing the gun show loophole might make it less convenient for those who don't currently qualify for gun ownership. How about making that a separate piece of legislation?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    In defense of Orrin, I think he really believes most things he says. He just does not know what a lot of it means. I don't own a gun and I don't care if someone else does. For me it is a safety issue. I know my family is safer by not having one in the house. Thats a fact. For those people who do own a gun it ludicrous to think society can't but limitations on it. The constitution guarentees the right to bear arms but it also lets goverment put restrictions (laws) on the purchase and ownership of them. The Federal Goverment has not over stepped it's constutional right to govern and everything the lib's are proposing is also constitional. Senator Hatch needs to stop fanning the flames of hysteria and engage in a dialogue which will make our country safer.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    old man,
    Hatch is afraid of the NRA?

    Why should he be - he says he's not running again.

    just more hate speach from the DNC and MSNBC repeated by one old man

  • grayinutah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    In the same line of thinking, Cars do not kill people, people do. We should eliminate seat belts, safe windshields, horns, etc...

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 30, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    The article and comments raise a number of questions:

    If current proposals are "too far" then what would be "far enough" or "just right"?

    If Hatch doesn't trust "the government", why doesn't he look into openings in the House of Lords?

    Who should be in charge of determining, or even defining, WHO is "criminally insane"?

    How does "the government" make sure morality is taught in the home?

    Since the US leads the world in per capita gun ownership, then why is it NOT the world's safest country if having more guns (the NRA mantra) makes us safer?

    How much should military spending be reduced in order that regular gun owners have the edge in combat - the theory allegedly held by the Founding Fathers?

  • Another Perspective Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    We can solve this without trampling on the constitution.

    1) First we need to get serious about providing adequate mental health care to all who need it. Health care not only should be considered a right, but we now see if we don't provide it there is a highhigh price to pay.

    2) Kids need to be taught morality at home and at school. Parents should be encouraged to do this and schools should be mandated.

    This problem is not a gun problem, it is a people problem, and until we recognize this and then take appropriate action, this problem will not be fixed. The criminally insane will always find a way and an other tool to kill.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    I always find it curious that members of Congress refer to the federal government as if they are not part of it and therefore accept no blame for wrong doing or inactivity.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Jan. 30, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    Can anyone please tell me what makes an AR-15 "assault weapon" more dangerous than a Ruger Mini-14?

    Same caliber, same muzzle velocity, same rate of fire. What's the difference, and why to Democrats want to ban the one but not the other?

    Bueller? Anyone?

  • George Spelvin KAYSVILLE, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Just because you HAVE the right doesn't mean that it IS right. The weapons-manic society we live it is out of control. The lives of dozens of innocent children and teachers are not worth my "right" to have an automative weapon, or a firearm of any kind.

    I cannot rely on lawmakers in SLC or Washington, D.C. to have the moral courage to do the right thing, so I did it. I dismantled my two hunting guns, put pieces of them in garbage can each week, and now they are gone.

    I know for a fact that those weapons will never be used to harm anyone. I invite each of you to DO SOMETHING to eliminate weapons in our society.

    George R. Spelvin
    Davis County

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Hatch and Lee are as frightened of the NRA as they are of the Tea Party.

    Too bad they lack the courage required to do what is right for America.