@West Granger. Having worked abroad for 30 years and rubbing shoulders and
working with the locals in the jungles of Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, etc., and the
deserts of Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. (total of 24 countries), I can
tell you that there are about 3.0 billion folks who want to come here if they
could make it. So in order to not discriminate and, perhaps to make you feel
good, we should be human and christian and provide a pathway for all of them.
That's what would happen if we have open borders to the world. Viva LEGAL
I can't believe what I just read in this article. The author seems to
advocate open borders to the world for immediate citizenship.The
purpose of our immigration laws is to insure this nation does not become overrun
with foreigners. It is apparent that much of the world would like to emigrate
but we can't hold them all so we must set limits. And those limits include
a requirement to line up and get permission. The laws also dictate quotas from
countries probably so an ethnic group cannot come and disenfranchise existing
citizenry.Many talk about first securing the borders. This is a red
herring. The borders can not be secured... and never will. Furthermore, much
of illegal immigrants now in this country (43 percent) came on legal visas but
overstayed. Thus turning them into illegal immigrants. In 1986 Reagan gave
amnesty to the then 1.5 million illegals and promised to secure the borders to
control immigration. Well, today we have 11 million now seeking the same
treatment. It's not rocket science to see where wholesale amnesty takes
us. It just encourages the hordes to come for the same treatment.
I'm amazed at how the pro-illegal groups forget about the social security
fraud, id theft, and perjury (i-9 forms). Three felonies that would keep a legal
immigrant from entering this country. No one here illegally that
worked should qualify for amnesty under our laws. But they
conveniently forget the other crimes committed. Americans have had
their wages depressed for 30 years because of the influx of illegal immigration.
If we don't speak up now, we will be handing a third world country over to
our children and grandchildren.
"Our border with Mexico, sutured by miles of fence line and barbed wire, is
an embarrassment to a free society and a sure sign that legal immigration policy
is broken."A nation wihtout borders, for this is what Mr. Mero
intimates in the above quote, is simply not a nation. For money, Mr. Mero is
selling our birthright.
@danaslc,I think you are on to something! While we are at it, we should
make a law to prohibit other poor people from moving into our state too. If you
don't have a college education and you can't show that your kids are
going to have above a B average, STAY OUT. That would solve our education and
entitlement cost problems, plus we wouldn't have to pretend it was about
immigration!(The above statement was in complete sarcasm for those who
didn't catch it.)
HB116, unlike our current work visa program that brought 3.3 million people here
last year (and over one million green card residents) puts the cost onto the
taxpayers. Unlike the visa program that makes the employer responsible.
It's no wonder Mero likes the cheap labor subsidized by the taxpayers.
Where does the money come from to support these "Institutes"?You enforce the border by enforcing laws inside the country. "The toleration of illegal immigration undermines all of our labor; it
rips at the social fabric. It's a race to the bottom. The one who plays by
the rules is penalized... a guest worker program guarantees wages will never go
up, and there is no way American citizens can compete with guest workers."
--Vernon Briggs, Cornell University labor economics professor With
Obama care coming, we can't afford 11 million people draining our social
services all at once. Let's start being honest and
compassionate to America's poor, and make those here illegally play by the
Every important issue has two sides to it because there are competing principles
involved, like justice and mercy. A faction of the Republican Party is great at
articulating the 'justice' side of the immigration issue and they are
absolutely right. The only problem is that there are more true principles to
consider beyond pure justice when you're dealing with a very complex issue
like immigration. I'm very proud of how Utah's HB116 blends together
the principles of both justice and mercy. Thanks Paul for your article.
I cannot state enough how horrible a bill HB116 is. It is embarrassing to me
every time I read someone patting themselves and the state on the back for that
awful excuse for a bill. As others have stated, the bill is simply a means to
an end for Utah businesses that wish to continue to circumvent law by using
illegal labor in order to unfairly compete in whatever market they happen to be
in, committing felony after felony in the process. HB116 is not a badge of
honor but is instead an anvil hung around every Utahns head and a shameful and
embarrassing example of what happens in a state where a "good ol boys"
club mentality is allowed to fester in our legislature.
I think Utah can and should lead the way - but having our junior Senator
withdraw from the process is not the way to do it. It serves absolutely no
purpose except one of political cover because of the influence from one part of
the Republican Party.
@anti-liar.Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
@WestGranger, So if the 26-year-old who was brought here as a child
is innocent, why would you even fine him? The answer, as you know,
is that once he reached the age of 18-1/2, he made a decision to remain in this
country illegally. The answer is that most likely, his parents are still in the
country illegally as well. Thieves should not be allowed to keep
the loot. Nor should their children be allowed to keep the loot.If deporting illegal aliens and/or their children causes inconvenience,
that is not the United States, fault, nor problem.Instead the fault
for these things lay squarely and exclusively with those who willfully choose to
disrespect this nation and its laws. To attempt to shift the blame to Americans
-- who believe in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law -- is to "bear
false witness against thy neighbor." The notion that
deportation is cruel, and unchristian, is a lie. If they can enter an
unfamiliar country illegally, they can return home to extended family
legally.Would-be thieves should be given to understand that crime
should not and will not pay -- neither for themselves nor for their children.
danaslc: If we address the immigration issue, undocumented workers will no
longer need as many entitlements.They likely will no longer be able to be as
exploited by businesses who pay them substandard wages. Our education nationwide
and its poor rating should be blamed on poor management by administrators in
education nationwide along with apathetic parents and students, not illegal
Our leaders did not write The Utah Compact nor Bill #116. It will come out that
the SL Chamber is responsible for these bills. This was done for the cheap labor
pools that businesses want to keep in Utah. Utah can't continue to pay for
the entitlements that illegal immigration is causing. Our education system gets
a D rating nationwide and we are not educating our children from Grade School up
to High School. What we need are citizens working and paying into the tax pool.
These bills are killing our education system which the state is all to willing
to blame on our teachers. These bills and our sanctuary state status are causing
our State peril, all in the name of cheap labor.
In the legal system of the U.S.A. we allow for people to pay a fine or penalty,
that is in line with the regulation they have disobeyed or, the crime they have
committed. Deporting a 25 year old undocumented worker, who has not committed a
serious crime, and having been brought here as a child; is raising his family
here, is both inhuman and unchristian. On the other hand, no significant
improvement in border enforcement, blanket amnesty with no reasonable penalties,
and an easy path to citizenship to all undocumented persons is a form of