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Published: Thursday, Jan. 31 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

In the legal system of the U.S.A. we allow for people to pay a fine or penalty, that is in line with the regulation they have disobeyed or, the crime they have committed. Deporting a 25 year old undocumented worker, who has not committed a serious crime, and having been brought here as a child; is raising his family here, is both inhuman and unchristian. On the other hand, no significant improvement in border enforcement, blanket amnesty with no reasonable penalties, and an easy path to citizenship to all undocumented persons is a form of lawlessness.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

Our leaders did not write The Utah Compact nor Bill #116. It will come out that the SL Chamber is responsible for these bills. This was done for the cheap labor pools that businesses want to keep in Utah. Utah can't continue to pay for the entitlements that illegal immigration is causing. Our education system gets a D rating nationwide and we are not educating our children from Grade School up to High School. What we need are citizens working and paying into the tax pool. These bills are killing our education system which the state is all to willing to blame on our teachers. These bills and our sanctuary state status are causing our State peril, all in the name of cheap labor.

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

danaslc: If we address the immigration issue, undocumented workers will no longer need as many entitlements.They likely will no longer be able to be as exploited by businesses who pay them substandard wages. Our education nationwide and its poor rating should be blamed on poor management by administrators in education nationwide along with apathetic parents and students, not illegal aliens.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@WestGranger,

So if the 26-year-old who was brought here as a child is innocent, why would you even fine him?

The answer, as you know, is that once he reached the age of 18-1/2, he made a decision to remain in this country illegally. The answer is that most likely, his parents are still in the country illegally as well.

Thieves should not be allowed to keep the loot.

Nor should their children be allowed to keep the loot.

If deporting illegal aliens and/or their children causes inconvenience, that is not the United States, fault, nor problem.

Instead the fault for these things lay squarely and exclusively with those who willfully choose to disrespect this nation and its laws. To attempt to shift the blame to Americans -- who believe in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law -- is to "bear false witness against thy neighbor."

The notion that deportation is cruel, and unchristian, is a lie. If they can enter an unfamiliar country illegally, they can return home to extended family legally.

Would-be thieves should be given to understand that crime should not and will not pay -- neither for themselves nor for their children.

Ken
Sandy, UT

@anti-liar.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I think Utah can and should lead the way - but having our junior Senator withdraw from the process is not the way to do it. It serves absolutely no purpose except one of political cover because of the influence from one part of the Republican Party.

Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

I cannot state enough how horrible a bill HB116 is. It is embarrassing to me every time I read someone patting themselves and the state on the back for that awful excuse for a bill. As others have stated, the bill is simply a means to an end for Utah businesses that wish to continue to circumvent law by using illegal labor in order to unfairly compete in whatever market they happen to be in, committing felony after felony in the process. HB116 is not a badge of honor but is instead an anvil hung around every Utahns head and a shameful and embarrassing example of what happens in a state where a "good ol boys" club mentality is allowed to fester in our legislature.

Citizen John Doe
Orem, UT

Every important issue has two sides to it because there are competing principles involved, like justice and mercy. A faction of the Republican Party is great at articulating the 'justice' side of the immigration issue and they are absolutely right. The only problem is that there are more true principles to consider beyond pure justice when you're dealing with a very complex issue like immigration. I'm very proud of how Utah's HB116 blends together the principles of both justice and mercy. Thanks Paul for your article.

RichardB
Murray, UT

HB116, unlike our current work visa program that brought 3.3 million people here last year (and over one million green card residents) puts the cost onto the taxpayers. Unlike the visa program that makes the employer responsible. It's no wonder Mero likes the cheap labor subsidized by the taxpayers. Where does the money come from to support these "Institutes"?

You enforce the border by enforcing laws inside the country.

"The toleration of illegal immigration undermines all of our labor; it rips at the social fabric. It's a race to the bottom. The one who plays by the rules is penalized... a guest worker program guarantees wages will never go up, and there is no way American citizens can compete with guest workers." --Vernon Briggs, Cornell University labor economics professor

With Obama care coming, we can't afford 11 million people draining our social services all at once.

Let's start being honest and compassionate to America's poor, and make those here illegally play by the rules.

Trust Logic
Brigham City, UT, 00

@danaslc,
I think you are on to something! While we are at it, we should make a law to prohibit other poor people from moving into our state too. If you don't have a college education and you can't show that your kids are going to have above a B average, STAY OUT. That would solve our education and entitlement cost problems, plus we wouldn't have to pretend it was about immigration!
(The above statement was in complete sarcasm for those who didn't catch it.)

AzNat
Sandy, UT

"Our border with Mexico, sutured by miles of fence line and barbed wire, is an embarrassment to a free society and a sure sign that legal immigration policy is broken."
A nation wihtout borders, for this is what Mr. Mero intimates in the above quote, is simply not a nation. For money, Mr. Mero is selling our birthright.

prelax
Murray, UT

I'm amazed at how the pro-illegal groups forget about the social security fraud, id theft, and perjury (i-9 forms). Three felonies that would keep a legal immigrant from entering this country.

No one here illegally that worked should qualify for amnesty under our laws.

But they conveniently forget the other crimes committed.

Americans have had their wages depressed for 30 years because of the influx of illegal immigration. If we don't speak up now, we will be handing a third world country over to our children and grandchildren.

wrz
Ogden, UT

I can't believe what I just read in this article. The author seems to advocate open borders to the world for immediate citizenship.

The purpose of our immigration laws is to insure this nation does not become overrun with foreigners. It is apparent that much of the world would like to emigrate but we can't hold them all so we must set limits. And those limits include a requirement to line up and get permission. The laws also dictate quotas from countries probably so an ethnic group cannot come and disenfranchise existing citizenry.

Many talk about first securing the borders. This is a red herring. The borders can not be secured... and never will. Furthermore, much of illegal immigrants now in this country (43 percent) came on legal visas but overstayed. Thus turning them into illegal immigrants. In 1986 Reagan gave amnesty to the then 1.5 million illegals and promised to secure the borders to control immigration. Well, today we have 11 million now seeking the same treatment. It's not rocket science to see where wholesale amnesty takes us. It just encourages the hordes to come for the same treatment.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

@West Granger. Having worked abroad for 30 years and rubbing shoulders and working with the locals in the jungles of Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, etc., and the deserts of Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. (total of 24 countries), I can tell you that there are about 3.0 billion folks who want to come here if they could make it. So in order to not discriminate and, perhaps to make you feel good, we should be human and christian and provide a pathway for all of them. That's what would happen if we have open borders to the world. Viva LEGAL immigration.

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