I wonder if the religion element is being skipped over here. JJ was active in
his church. So was Mr. Swallow. Just as any member of any religious group will
attest to: it is very easy to get the wool pulled over your eyes when you have
so much uber trust in the other person and their values. It might be a better
mantra to say if you belong to a religious group, do not do business with other
members of that group. It is too easy to get conned. JJ was looking for blood
at the donut meeting and he tried very hard to try to get mr. swallow to
incriminate himself. Thank goodness Mr. Swallow seemed to hold his own. I
believe swallow is innocent of all accusations. when it is proved so, I want
you to remember you heard it from me first! Mountain man. Your source for
ahead of the curve speculations.
Harry Reid maybe completely involved in the Jeremy Johnson situation but because
hispress secretary says he's not were to just believe this nonsense.
It is such a double standard placed on John Swallow as per Harry Reid. Fox 13
did a Swallow hit piece with Jeremy Johnson last night. Why do we give
credibility to a liar and felon and hold judgment on our elected Attorney
General? John Swallow is innocent until proven guilty that is the American way.
"Johnson secretly recorded the April 20, 2012, conversation with Swallow at
a Krispy Kreme doughnut shop in Orem."Sounds like a sticky
situation to me.
Why was Swallow meeting with Johnson in an "unofficial capacity"? I
think Johnsons accusations have teeth....have some truth to them. We should all
not care until the real story comes out. Either way he should have dealt with
this before being elected. Knowing that John Swallow was a lobbyist for legal
predatory check lenders (Check City) doesn't accentuate his character
either. He needs to man up and resign.
Swallow's view with the felong comment is that he is scared of getting in
legal trouble. A lot of people are being honest because they want to avoid
trouble. That is OK, but there is a higher level: being honest because that is
the right thing to do, being honest even if it will get you into trouble.That would have helped Swallow a lot. Because then he would might have
been doing the next thing on the honesty scale: Using the language of honesty.
He would have been recorded saying, "Look, you have the right to legal
representation. But at the end of the day, we need to be totally honest and
transparent because that is the right thing to do even if we get into
trouble."He missed an opportunity.
Johnson is the biggest rat of all in this whole thing. From all that I've
read about his business dealings over the past year or so, I smell a sociopathic
rat--a consciousless narcissist who, if he is going to go down, is going to go
down with a media frenzy in a blaze of glory with big political names attached
to his own. I thought it was nothing but a circus when I saw him on the news
declaring that if he were to plead guilty to the charges that he had a list of
those who didn't want prosecuted; namely, his family members and John
Swallow. What smoke and mirrors Johnson created to make himself look
"virtuous" and at the same time cast doubt in others' minds about
the ethical and legal choices of John Swallow and his own family members. It is
obvious that John Swallow has made some very unwise choices and has possibly
broken the law. And, Harry Reid? Hopefully, time will tell in all of this and
the truth will prevail.
With a majority of Republicans, there have been plenty who have fallen on their
sword in the past 21 years and it won't stop, in either party in the
future. What is the gain? A little lie isn't bad and no one will find
out. Money does speak as evidenced by $275M being taken from people who thought
they were going to make a very good deal of money themselves. Greed is a form
of mismanagement and bites both hands, eventually.Swallow has
probably more than he can swallow and he is a marked person with this happening
in his first week of office. Such timing for his "friend" Johnson in
I did not vote for Swallow for this very reason. He has and is behaving just
like his former boss Mark Shurtleff. Shurtleff was constantly performing duties
outside his elected job description so why should we expect anything different
from Swallows. Its time for Utahns to stop blindly voting along party line and
actually take the time to research the candidates. We have got to shake up the
"good ol boys" club and bring sanity back into the equation when it
comes to our elected officials. We can only hope that they will then get the
message. Only then will they stop acting like they live under a different set
of elitist rules than the rest of us. Only then will the start acting like the
Servants of the public trust they were elected to be.
Why hasn't the Governor of Utah called for an independent investigation?
This should be separate from any criminal investigation being done by law
enforcement. Its purpose would be to present an independent evaluation of the
facts to the voters. It just seems like such an obvious step for Governor to
Time to fish or cut bait. If this man was an organic milk producer , or provided
organic cheeses or eggs his hide would of already been tanned and hung But first like all court cases - lets collect as much taxpayer monies for our
friends - lawyers , judges , and all supporting cast.Ever wonder why
a cold blooded killer can lay around for decades, filing appeal after appeal -
well the real answer is some private conglomerate somewhere is collecting 70K
plus a year just on his keep , all them appeals are just icing on the cake for
the tax parasites
Ned, so far as I know now, Reid's involvement is only on the word of
Johnson. However, I'd agree with you that if more surfaces, Reid should
also step aside.It's becoming more and more apparent all the
time that Johnson's word is worth absolutely not much.
All I can think is -- witness the Gadianton-ing among us.
Utah's one party political system fails to discourage public official
misconduct and mistakes again. I doubt we will ever learn. Oh well, John's
pro-life, pro-family values and support's the state owning federal lands.
Isn't that what we want if an attorney general?
AS I understand the Deseret News has already made its decision. The have
requested Swallow resign in their editorial. This I believe is unfair and
prejudices every other article which would seem to buttress their view.The Daily
Herald also jumped at the prospect of a feeding frenzy of an elected Attorney
General who at this point has done nothing criminal. He had the misfortune of
associated with a major felon and this is all we really know. It is important to
let this play out and then make judgments. Would any of us really like to be
convicted before the evidence is presented?
This is what happens when we elect an AG based on politics rather than
professional excellence. Sean Reyes would have been much better!!!!!
Old man: I like your idea. And it should apply to both sides. "When a police officer is involved in an incident, he or she is
immediately placed on administrative leave until an investigation has been
completed and the officer has been cleared of any wrongdoing.Should
anything less happen when [the United States Senate majority leader] is under
clouds?He should step aside -- on leave -- until a thorough, totally
independent and non-partisan investigation has been completed.Then,
and only then, should he return to his duties IF it is appropriate."
At this point the whole thing is such a confused mess that no one can even begin
to figure out what is true and what is not.What needs to happen
immediately is for John Swallow to step aside. Place himself on paid
administrative leave as would happen to any police officer involved in an
"incident" and let the investigation proceed.The
investigation needs to be done by someone totally disconnected. The U.S.
Attorney is a good choice.And, it the trail leads to Sen. Reid, then
so be it. But the bottom line is that Swallow should step aside as attorney
general until this has been cleared up.
I think it is amazing that no one feels they have done anything wrong. And in
way they haven't! It is just business as usual. You get the
'justice' you can afford. Let's see.... you pay lots of $$ and
you get protection. And now Johnson isn't getting what he paid for!
Lobbiests. Is it another word for MAFIA?In my opinion, start at the
bottom and work your way up cleaning out the riff-raff along the way. But
I think I know how this goes per what has been seen before. The bleeding hearts
will come out and plead for leniency. A few hands will get slapped, usually one
guy will swing for the rest as an appearance of justice and then it is back to
business as usual! Have fun with all that.... And we wonder what is
wrong with our country?! Amazing, simply amazing....
This thing sounds way overblown at this point. I can't see that Swallow
was doing anything illegal. He states he can't do anything and refers him
to a lobbyist. I just don't see an issue here.
From the information in this article and from the recording, Johnson did most of
the talking and it sort of sounds like Johnson is in the blackmailing role. The
Republican GOP Convention was the next day after the recording and it almost
appears that he wanted Swallow to back out of that convention and that would
make it so someone else got the ticket instead of Swallow. Timing was for a
purpose as it appears Johnson doesn't ever do anything without a plan in
his life of deceptions. $275M is quite a bit of money for a person in Utah. He
appears to be quite adept at taking people. Swallow probably met at the
doughnut house as he had plenty of public meetings at the time and it would have
been an odd place for Johnson to be from St. George the day before the
Convention unless he had a specific motive. Johnson appears to not say how he
was dealing with Rawle. Johnson's attorney is now in the blend of wanting
Johnson to meet and secretly record the conversation with Swallow. Johnson just
as well have been at the convention as tactics were in the Congressional seat.
Where there's smoke.....
So let's review for a minute......A few weeks ago Jeremy was about to sign
a plea bargain and go to jail for 10-14 yrs if the government would hold to
their part of the bargain. When he realized that they were not going to live up
to the deal, he let loose with all the info that he had been holding because of
the deal that was offered. Because of this event, I tend to believe more of what
Jeremy is saying rather than the elected officials. Eventually it will all come
out in the open and "hopefully" we will know the truth. (if that's
You have to admit, after all the hand wringing and name calling regarding this
whole issue, there's not much being said by the hand wringers now that Reid
is possibly implicated. At least as far as he is concerned.
Moonlighting on the side in an area with potential conflicts when one has a
primary government responsibility shows terribly poor judgment (and indicates a
hyper-pecuniary nature). He should resign.
How is it that a Jeremy Johnson type person can slime a person and anybody
Hmmm....Johnson who is indicted for fraud gave money to a Republican in the Utah
Attorney General Office to bribe Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid who
had put many criminals behind bars in Las Vegas for fraud and bribery and also
blame John Swallow who is now Utah Attorney General.I did not vote
for John Swallow, but believe he was not trying to bribe Harry Reid as the
indicted Johnson now claims.
Let's just have the recall election and be done with it.
@InnocenceLost.I am not trying to hang this around Mr. Swallow's
neck. I only want to know the facts.But I am very troubled by this:
"At the end of the day, I felt the FTC was screwing you. I wanted to help
you with that. I knew I couldn't do it myself, so I lined you up with
Richard who I thought could help you,". It was wrong for Mr. Swallow to
assist in dealing with the FTC investigation while employed by the Utah Attorney
General's Office. He appears to recognize that when he says he
couldn't do it himself so he lined Johnson up with Mr. Rawle. If it was
wrong for Mr. Swallow to do it directly, it was also wrong for him to do it
indirectly. Also, why wasn't Mr. Swallow or the AG's office
assisting the FTC? From the description of Johnson's activities, the
Attorney General should have been investigating the company, not helping it
wriggle out of its responsibility. I am concerned about an Attorney General who
could not see that there might be problems with Johnson's business.
@ lost : And how do you know where Swallow was? Was you there
when all this went down? Do you know more that the people writeing this story?
Maybe you need to talk to the investigaters in order clear this mess up.
Swallow says he understood it would be used by his friend, Richard Rawle, to
hire federal lobbyists on Johnson's behalf.What were the
federal lobbyists supposed to do? At the very least this reveals the corruption
that is rampant in our government. Utah is no different. They are all for sale.
Some just get caught.
Ok - So the story starts with this....Reid has disavowed any knowledge or
involvement of Johnson's case. “The allegations of bribery by
Mr. Johnson, a man with a background of fraud, deception and corruption, are
absurd and utterly false. Bribery is a crime for which Sen. Reid has personally
put people behind bars. Sen. Reid will not have his integrity questioned by a
man of Mr. Johnson's low record and character, and his outrageous
allegations will not go unanswered. Clearly, a desperate man is making things
up," according to Reid spokeswoman Kristen Orthman.So why in the
WORLD would we believe anything Jeremy Johnson has to say? And Why is it that
people are letting Reid skip out on this controversy and trying to hang this
around the neck of John Swallow who wasn't even at the meeting?!