I'd like to see the prison moved and split up into smaller prisons
positioned around the state where some economic boost is needed. The Gunnison
facility is a great example. We have plenty of small towns in out of the way
places that could house some prisoners and gather a government contract in the
JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UTDon't be silly! 13% tax
rates? Legalized pot? Fashionable to walk around naked? Ton of more
regulations on businesses.Aside from the argument that large numbers
of high tech workers coming from out-of-state would significantly change the
culture of Utah, the fears expressed have absolutely no basis in reality.
Mad Hatter: So we need to jack up our tax rates to 13%, legalize pot, make it
fashionable to walk around naked, and enact a ton of more regulations on
businesses so that all those California progressives will feel right at home
here. Did I get that right?
The idea of moving the prison is a terrible one. It would benefit a few very
rich real estateinvestors. The cost would skyrocket as regulations,
litigation and transportation isssuesall collide with the fantasy of
saving money. The state meaning the citizens would be on the hookfor
likely 4 times the estimated cost. It is collective socialism sponsored by the
same group think that has created our 16 trillion deficit nationally. It would
be bad for prison inmates, their families and our society. Corporate welfare is
a huge contributor to our deficit and that is what this would be.
It is interesting to hear the "we have to be like everybody else"
concerns constantly raised about Utah. However, the problem we have today is
not that companies are not looking to come here. It is the lack of people with
skills in certain areas. We need to focus on getting our children to pursue
occupations that provide high paying jobs and that are in demand. If we have
the skilled workforce, companies will come. While some may not look to Utah
because we are not as "progressive" as the bay area, I have had clients
from the bay area call me about moving their companies because they cannot
effectively function anymore in California. There is a reason that hundreds of
companies are moving from California to Texas. Should we welcome all types of
people to Utah - absolutely. Should we follow California, Detroit, etc. down
the rat-hole of "progressive" policies - absolutely not. While we may
not get some companies with a strong left tilt, we will be more attractive to
companies looking to escape.
I work in tech in Utah and have for the past 19 years. The idea of "tech
worker collaboration" seems a necessity.Workers in tech need to
have YOUR interests heard in these issues. We need something similar to a union,
but without the "strong arm" tactics to represent us - maybe call it a
guild. The Chamber, businesses, politicians will seek the best
interests of the companies that do business here. While that is good,
workers' issues should be a factor. Remember, hundreds of
thousands (perhaps millions) of tech jobs have moved overseas. Currently in the
USA, approximately 40% of the tech workforce are foreign workers on visas such
as the H-1B visa. This visa is frequently used to bypass US citizens and hire
foreign workers - almost like indentured servants. Even free market champion and
Nobel Prize economist Milton Friedman said that the H-1B visa is a government
"subsidy" given to employers. And we tech workers compete against that
government subsidy, to the loss of hundreds of thousands of tech workers into
unemployment over the past few decades.Yes, we workers need to be
more organized and make sure OUR interests are represented.
Mad Hatter,I am an engineer, I came to Utah for the business
friendly atmosphere and the opportunities. Not because of the political views.
Pagan,Engineers as a whole are not unionized. The main
reason for that is there is a plethora of opportunities either here in Utah, int
the rest of the US or abroad. If you want a raise you ask for one or you find a
business that will give you a raise. If you don't like the job you move on.
Care to elaborate Pagan? I'm pretty sure most engineers and other tech
workers are not unionized. Nor do they have the need. Even if what you say is
true, what would be the point if there are no business to support your work
force? Unions have lost their usefulness and have become simply a drain on the
economy. If they really were worth it do you think thousands would be fleeing
them when given the chance?That said, I do like the direction Utah
is headed. I hope the tech companies continue to come.
There are certain cultural problems which will need to be corrected. Probably
the most important will be how will Utah residents react to the more
progressive-minded people who would be required for such an emerging industry.
Hightly-educated people, both men and women, want to live and work in a more
liberal environment more accepting of a diverse workforce.Remember,
Silicon Valley sits in Santa Clara County, California. Not the most
conservative environments in the United States. Not only does the region
cultivate highly-educated people, but it cultivates the diversity that comes
with such people.It would certainly change the socio-political
landscape of the region.
Goldman Sachs was already here, we gave them 50 million in tax breaks. They will
not be paying for education anytime soon.
You cannot build a workforce...in a right to work, state.
This is certainly great news for both those people looking to provide for their
families, and those looking for others to provide for their families.