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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 29 2013 1:45 p.m. MST

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the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

January 16th .. The National Parent Teachers Organization said today it was pleased with many of President Obama’s new proposals to improve school security but that his call for more armed guards at schools “comes as a disappointment.”

Obama spelled out a series of steps to help make schools safer for students, including hiring as many as 1,000 more school resource officers and counselors.

It was Biden that said he thought it would be a mistake. But you will hear what you want.

county mom
Monroe, UT

I was saying we do not want to have people that have not committed a crime arrested, ever.
Not for the clothes they wear or their weird looks.
The National Guard walk around dressed like soldiers. They are, we don't have them arrested.
A bunch of teenagers walk into Walmart dressed like soldiers going to play paintball in the hills.
Blackpowder hunters walk into Subway Sandwich to get lunch, they are in cammo, duckhunters, bowhunters, etc....
They may even have a gun on them!!!
People please think what you are saying. We NEVER EVER want to arrest or even harrass people who have not committed a crime just because they are wearing cammo!
By the way, the last 4 mass shooters were wearing all black.
Should we arresst every person wearing black? That is suspicious?

Ett
Salt Lake City, UT

Chief Burbank is just another political shill. Have traffic violations gone down in Salt Lake City? All robbery is illegal, yet we've seen a rash of bank and credit union robberies. What's been done about it? One arrest. Yet, Chief Burbank has something to say in support of the President from his preferred political party. Imagine that... The police are not here for deterrence. They handle enforcement, not protection. Last year. An armed citizen stopped a man with a knife outside the downtown Smith's, who had attacked two people. In my home town, a bar fight that had spilled onto the streets found a lone Police Officer surrounded by an angry mob, without backup coming anytime soon. Three of my fellow Corrections Officers had just returned from a day of target shooting noticed the disturbance. They retrieved their shotguns from the trunk of the car and approached the officer's location. When in place, chambered rounds in their shotguns, while one of them shouted, "Do you need help Officer?" The crowd noticed the Officers behind them and they left without incident. The proposed laws hinder law-abiding people, period.

JJL
Eugene, OR

Any discussion with the President about gun control must begin and end with a discussion of the US Constitution, particularily the 2nd, 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments. Perhaps the SLC Police Chief and the President should brush up on their Consitution (and English and Colonial common law history).

They can start by reading "Gun Control and the Constitution: Sources and Explorations on the Second Amendment" edited by Robert Cottrol.

The plain langauge (text) of the 2nd Amendment is unambiguous when put in historical context:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

"Regulated" means "trained".

"Militia" means male citizens between 16 and 60 years of age charged with a duty to provide for the common defence (as opposed to a standing army or the National Guard.

"People" in the context of the Bill of Rights meant individuals not states. When the Bill of Rights spoke of individual rights it refers to "the people". When it spoke of the states it said so.

The right to keep and bear arms is personal; it is not a collective right.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

Not all mass killers result in suicide. I have heard not talk about the penalty for committing mass shootings or for that matter about using any weapon, and I do mean any tool, not just firearms, to commit an assault. I don't care how full the prisons are a mandatory 15 years with now allowable parole would be a good start. Get violators off our streets. Make the names of all aggravated crimes public. I find it apprehensible that some poor teenager who get caught making out in the back seat of a car with a younger teen gets the rest of their life ruined by being published as a sex offender, yet a person who commits an aggravated assault can move in next door to me and their records are protected from any citizens knowledge. Before we start removing firearms from our streets, lets try removing criminals. Permanently!

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Reasonable solutions, why not? We’ve already compromised away many of our constitutional rights.

The unrestricted right to abortion (a warped concoction by the Warren court) trumps the rights of religious employers according to Obamacare.

The dems are always pushing the “fairness doctrine” so they can control talk radio the same way they do most other media outlets despite the free press guarantees.

TSA’s stripper visions violate our 4 amendment rights to protection from unreasonable searches and the 14th amendment’s equal protection clause because not everyone is subjected to stripper visions.

Affirmative action also trumps the equal protection requirements of the 14th amendment.

Dems forced a civil war to protect slavery, thus eviscerating the 10th amendment.

So why not compromise away second amendment rights?

What’s next?

Reduce our military spending by compromising the third amendment and housing soldiers in nearby private homes.

Make the 5th amendment rights applicable only to misdemeanors since we clearly need protection from felons.

No more trial by jury, think how much we’ll save – so what for the 7th?

The 13th? Shall we compromise there, too?

Dektol
Powell, OH

Everyone should be able to own any and all firearms they want. Swift and sure and sever punishment for misuse and criminal activity with them should be the norm.

Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

Burbank is a product of a left wing mayor and this is what we get in SLC. As Sherrif Clarke, mentioned above said, "when the intruder is at your door 911 is of no use!" "Defend yourself and call 911."
BTW, the killer at Fort (?) is claiming his rights have been violated because he was told to shave his beard. Didn't have one before he murdered all our soldiers, but now he wants a beard.
Trolly Square shooter was a muslim from bosnia - so was that a terrorist attack. Think so!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Just being a police chief does not make you correct. Many of the police I know would love to infringe on the freedoms of citizens because they think it would make their jobs easier. Constitutional rights are not the concern of many police, frankly they view the constitution as an impedement in a lot of cases.

And of course there is no "middle ground" on this subject chief. I'd certainly like to know what it is that you thinks constitutes the "middle"? My guess is that you consider the "middle" to be pushing a gun ban as far as you can possibly push it without a complete and total repeal of the 2nd amendment, although you'd still prefer the end of the 2nd amendment.

It would be nice if you'd be honest about what you really want but you won't be. If you were people would push back harder and that would make yours, and obama's, incremental approach to a gun ban harder to start implementing.

Turtles Run
Missouri City, TX

"Everyone should be able to own any and all firearms they want. Swift and sure and sever punishment for misuse and criminal activity with them should be the norm."

There are limits to all our rights. The SCOTUS has ruled many that gun control laws are constitutional. Universal background checks and a 10 round limit to ammo magazines do not infringe on your right to bear arms and helps to stop mass shootings.

Most of use rather live in a society that is proactive in finding solutions instead of having to react to emergencies.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Swictharoo
Living up to your name, aren’t you? The first two comments did NOT say BO was calling for taking away all guns.

Bacchus,
Everyone who does not think like you is paranoid and in need of mental health care. Ah, the intolerance of the left rears its ugly head.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

Salt Lake City's police chief says he wants to find a way to have "reasonable, responsible gun ownership."

I have found the way. It's called law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens are just as reasonable and responsible as Salt Lake City police officers.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Good point. Good guys can become bad guys by pulling a trigger. Then if highcapacity magazine, they can take our many people in less than a minute as they have been doing.

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