Good point. Good guys can become bad guys by pulling a trigger. Then if
highcapacity magazine, they can take our many people in less than a minute as
they have been doing.
Salt Lake City's police chief says he wants to find a way to have
"reasonable, responsible gun ownership."I have found the
way. It's called law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens are just as
reasonable and responsible as Salt Lake City police officers.
SwictharooLiving up to your name, aren’t you? The first two
comments did NOT say BO was calling for taking away all guns. Bacchus,Everyone who does not think like you is paranoid and in need of
mental health care. Ah, the intolerance of the left rears its ugly head.
"Everyone should be able to own any and all firearms they want. Swift and
sure and sever punishment for misuse and criminal activity with them should be
the norm."There are limits to all our rights. The SCOTUS has
ruled many that gun control laws are constitutional. Universal background
checks and a 10 round limit to ammo magazines do not infringe on your right to
bear arms and helps to stop mass shootings.Most of use rather live
in a society that is proactive in finding solutions instead of having to react
Just being a police chief does not make you correct. Many of the police I know
would love to infringe on the freedoms of citizens because they think it would
make their jobs easier. Constitutional rights are not the concern of many
police, frankly they view the constitution as an impedement in a lot of
cases.And of course there is no "middle ground" on this
subject chief. I'd certainly like to know what it is that you thinks
constitutes the "middle"? My guess is that you consider the
"middle" to be pushing a gun ban as far as you can possibly push it
without a complete and total repeal of the 2nd amendment, although you'd
still prefer the end of the 2nd amendment.It would be nice if
you'd be honest about what you really want but you won't be. If you
were people would push back harder and that would make yours, and obama's,
incremental approach to a gun ban harder to start implementing.
Burbank is a product of a left wing mayor and this is what we get in SLC. As
Sherrif Clarke, mentioned above said, "when the intruder is at your door 911
is of no use!" "Defend yourself and call 911."BTW, the killer
at Fort (?) is claiming his rights have been violated because he was told to
shave his beard. Didn't have one before he murdered all our soldiers, but
now he wants a beard.Trolly Square shooter was a muslim from bosnia - so
was that a terrorist attack. Think so!
Everyone should be able to own any and all firearms they want. Swift and sure
and sever punishment for misuse and criminal activity with them should be the
Reasonable solutions, why not? We’ve already compromised away many of our
constitutional rights.The unrestricted right to abortion (a warped
concoction by the Warren court) trumps the rights of religious employers
according to Obamacare.The dems are always pushing the
“fairness doctrine” so they can control talk radio the same way they
do most other media outlets despite the free press guarantees.TSA’s stripper visions violate our 4 amendment rights to protection from
unreasonable searches and the 14th amendment’s equal protection clause
because not everyone is subjected to stripper visions.Affirmative
action also trumps the equal protection requirements of the 14th amendment.Dems forced a civil war to protect slavery, thus eviscerating the 10th
amendment.So why not compromise away second amendment rights?What’s next?Reduce our military spending by
compromising the third amendment and housing soldiers in nearby private
homes.Make the 5th amendment rights applicable only to misdemeanors
since we clearly need protection from felons.No more trial by jury,
think how much we’ll save – so what for the 7th?The
13th? Shall we compromise there, too?
Not all mass killers result in suicide. I have heard not talk about the penalty
for committing mass shootings or for that matter about using any weapon, and I
do mean any tool, not just firearms, to commit an assault. I don't care how
full the prisons are a mandatory 15 years with now allowable parole would be a
good start. Get violators off our streets. Make the names of all aggravated
crimes public. I find it apprehensible that some poor teenager who get caught
making out in the back seat of a car with a younger teen gets the rest of their
life ruined by being published as a sex offender, yet a person who commits an
aggravated assault can move in next door to me and their records are protected
from any citizens knowledge. Before we start removing firearms from our streets,
lets try removing criminals. Permanently!
Any discussion with the President about gun control must begin and end with a
discussion of the US Constitution, particularily the 2nd, 9th, 10th and 14th
Amendments. Perhaps the SLC Police Chief and the President should brush up on
their Consitution (and English and Colonial common law history). They can start by reading "Gun Control and the Constitution: Sources and
Explorations on the Second Amendment" edited by Robert Cottrol.The plain langauge (text) of the 2nd Amendment is unambiguous when put in
historical context:"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to
the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed.""Regulated" means
"trained"."Militia" means male citizens between 16
and 60 years of age charged with a duty to provide for the common defence (as
opposed to a standing army or the National Guard."People" in
the context of the Bill of Rights meant individuals not states. When the Bill
of Rights spoke of individual rights it refers to "the people". When it
spoke of the states it said so. The right to keep and bear arms is
personal; it is not a collective right.
Chief Burbank is just another political shill. Have traffic violations gone down
in Salt Lake City? All robbery is illegal, yet we've seen a rash of bank
and credit union robberies. What's been done about it? One arrest. Yet,
Chief Burbank has something to say in support of the President from his
preferred political party. Imagine that... The police are not here for
deterrence. They handle enforcement, not protection. Last year. An armed citizen
stopped a man with a knife outside the downtown Smith's, who had attacked
two people. In my home town, a bar fight that had spilled onto the streets found
a lone Police Officer surrounded by an angry mob, without backup coming anytime
soon. Three of my fellow Corrections Officers had just returned from a day of
target shooting noticed the disturbance. They retrieved their shotguns from the
trunk of the car and approached the officer's location. When in place,
chambered rounds in their shotguns, while one of them shouted, "Do you need
help Officer?" The crowd noticed the Officers behind them and they left
without incident. The proposed laws hinder law-abiding people, period.
I was saying we do not want to have people that have not committed a crime
arrested, ever. Not for the clothes they wear or their weird looks.The National Guard walk around dressed like soldiers. They are, we don't
have them arrested. A bunch of teenagers walk into Walmart dressed like
soldiers going to play paintball in the hills. Blackpowder hunters walk
into Subway Sandwich to get lunch, they are in cammo, duckhunters, bowhunters,
etc....They may even have a gun on them!!!People please think what
you are saying. We NEVER EVER want to arrest or even harrass people who have not
committed a crime just because they are wearing cammo! By the way, the
last 4 mass shooters were wearing all black. Should we arresst every
person wearing black? That is suspicious?
January 16th .. The National Parent Teachers Organization said today it was
pleased with many of President Obama’s new proposals to improve school
security but that his call for more armed guards at schools “comes as a
disappointment.”Obama spelled out a series of steps to help
make schools safer for students, including hiring as many as 1,000 more school
resource officers and counselors.It was Biden that said he thought
it would be a mistake. But you will hear what you want.
The way to look at all the politicians who are currently in office is to
consider them to be gangsters. It's not hard to do.... You know, like the
song 'imagine, it's easy if you try. For instance, Al Capone in
Chicago's gangster era.Would you want Al Capone and his gang to be
the only one's allowed to have firearms? Remember the tommyguns?No,
you would not. You would feel like you were at the mercy of the merciless. Therefore you do not want politicians in office to be the only one's who
are allowed by law to defend themselves with firearms.
Shock me! Burbank is about as tough as a cotton ball on teflon.
When the Sheriff of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, David Clarke, does a Public Service
Announcement and asks the people of his county to "get in the game" and
learn to protect themselves by taking a firearms safety training course, he is
telling people the truth. The police can't protect you from a
violent criminal; you, as a citizen need to protect yourself and family until
the police arrive; that is the total truth and I salute him for his courage and
honesty. I live in Florida, and every citizen is encouraged by the
County Sheriff's to be capable of protecting themselves. An armed,
responsible citizenry is the best deterrent to crime of any type.
Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank is notorius for being an Obama yes
man. He proved that with his stance on immigration reform, and his involvment
with the Utah Compact. He says that police can't do anything till someone
is shot and dead, but that is false. Police can stop suspicious people, and
question them. He has also said in this article that nobody is coming to take
away guns, but that they are just talking about future access to certain
firearms which is still an infringement, and a violation of the 2nd Amendment to
the Constitution. Just like with immigration, Barack Obama, and Chris Burbank
have it all wrong. They are both confused with the differences between
everyone's best interest, and individual rights. Just like Chief Burbank is
confused about the difference between "probable cause", and
"reasonable suspicion". Limited access to firearms is just the beginning
of the path to confiscation. Imposing personal beliefs, and opinions over the
U.S. Constitution and on to the people is not the change that people, or this
nation needs, or wants.
county mom:"It is not the man walking around dressed like a soldier
with a gun that is the threat."Yes, it may very well be. If he
is indeed a soldier, and is off-post walking around carrying a gun, then the
likelihood of his being at least of some concern is genuine. If he is not a
soldier and is dressed that way carrying a gun, then he, too, is of concern.
Dressed like a soldier in public and carrying a gun (or two) is a pattern of
behavior that calls into question 'why?'. Dressed and armed like that
is not being "a little different". Look--no one is saying he
can't do it. But I, for one, want to know his intentions. I am a strong 2A
advocate and supporter, but I am not going to turn a blind eye to everyone
around me that is carrying a gun. Am I paranoid? Don't think
so. But, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that aren't really
after you. :)
Obama and anti-gun advocates should insist that existing gun laws are enforced
instead of coming up with new laws intended to restrict "law-abiding"
citizens. Don't believe a word that comes out of Obama's mouth. His
real aim is to institute a National Database so he can compensate guns.
Actually, NO ONE should ever be arrested for wearing a certain kind of
clothing,(unless they are nude) nore should they be arrested for NOT breaking
the law!!!Are you people actually reading what you are writing?
Irony Guy? Are you willing to give up the right to dress as you
wish? People are so willing to give up their rights when they
preceive someone else is a little different. It is not the man walking
around dressed like a soldier with a gun that is the threat.
If Chief Burbank would do his job and enforce immigration laws, he would have
saved a number of lives in Utah alone.Burbank is like most big city
police chiefs- politicians first and elitists who distrust "We The
People."I think that Utah's Sheriffs are much closer to
being right, and they have spoken out firmly AGAINST Obama's schemes.None of the various gun control schemes Burbank and his pals are pushing
have ever worked. Let's focus on controlling crazy people instead of
disarming law abiding citizens.
@old switcheroo,barack doesn't support having armed guards or
teachers in schools. Reality. And yes, it hurts
"That person was carrying a firearm legally, there was nothing our police
officers could have done until he shoots and kills his first victim."How did you know he was carrying legally? And you mean to say
you've never approached an open carry person and engaged in conversation
with them? From what I hear, police do it fairly regularly. If there
is 'nothing you could have done' when you saw an individual in full
body armor carrying a .223, 2 pistols, and 1,000 rounds of ammunition, then
we've got a serious training problem with the SLC police dept. Because,
really, people walk around like that all day.
re:IronyGuyIt is legal in UT to openly carry (unloaded)firearms
except:Any secure area in which firearms are prohibited and notice
of the prohibition is postedA secure area of an airportAny
courthouse, churches if posted, mental health facility or correctional facility
that may provide by rule that no firearm may be transported, sold, given, or
possessed upon the facility. At least one notice shall be prominently displayed
at each entrance to a secure area in which a dangerous weapon, firearm, or
explosive is restricted.Concealed carry requires a permit.
Reasonable rules will be enacted. Don't jump on the the barricades yet,
guns over everything advocates.
In Utah, what's a policeman to do when confronted by a person in full
military kit and carrying an arsenal? The guy is "within his rights" so
an officer can do nothing until the guy kills somebody. That's absurd. We
need to make that kind of behavior ILLEGAL so the police can draw down on and
arrest this guy and protect the public.
My last should read. "Killers will find a way. Whether they use a weapon or
overdose on pills to abort a baby."The other interesting thing
with our current regime. They have no qualms with Colorado and Washington
legalizing pot. They have no problem that children will have legal access to
this substance. Children where it is proven to have a higher effect to their
brains and causes more issues in their development.So, it's
okay to ruin childrens minds. And since we're going to allow more kids to
become nutcakes, then the smart thing to do is to make sure they can only get
assault rifles with ten round clips in them?Why is no one in the
media questioning this regime?
When did Obama call for a ban on all guns? He didn't. So the first two
comments here aren't based in reality.Open the ears.
I can think of recent police shootings in Taylorsville and in Salt Lake City.
The one at Taylorsville the guy had a knife and was shot by police. The other
one in SLC around 900 East the woman had a BB gun and was shot by police.I haven't heard of too many cases where an assault rifle has been
used. Recent bank robberies a note was used, even the trolley square shooting
he had a shotgun and maybe some handguns.Anyone else recall what the
trolley shooter had?The point is, disarming honest law abiding
citizens and stripping them of their rights is not going to stop this madness.
Right now clubs and knives are the top murder weapon. If you could save just
one life as Biden preached to us then it's worth it. Then why not go after
clubs and knives?Jumping over to abortions, if you could just save
one of those innocent unborn defenseless babies, then it would be worth it.
Right? Make abortions illegal. The proponents preach back that women will find
another way that's harmful to them.Same with killers.
They'll find a way to do it.
Hey Burbank, everyone that I know that has guns practices "reasonable,
responsible gun ownership." So your audience with the Pres didn't do
anything for you or us.
Chief Burbank is a good choice for Obama's planning on gun control.When it comes to Occupiers or illegal aliens Burbank can ignore existing law
in the interest of political expediency.So when it comes to our right to
bear arms he'd be able to suspend the law as a means to an end.
Did Burbank mention to the President that the Trolley Square mass shooter was
stopped by an armed carry citizen?.. ?And did he say that if all the
victims had been armed like the one who finally stopped the shooter, that there
would may have been only one victim considering that the next potential
'victim' would be shooting back and not just 'hiding'?...?
If barack doesnt think kids need protection by a responsible gun owner at
schools, why doesn't he be the first to show that, asking the secret
service to not carry weapons as they protect his girls.Or does
barack really think only his kids are potential targets.What if a
parent of a Sandy Hook child had felt months ago the school needed an armed
guard at the school? Are we to assume barack would have told that parent their
kid was not a target?