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Published: Monday, Jan. 28 2013 8:10 p.m. MST

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scenic view
Baltimore, MD

gdog3finally

How do you think BYU got that brand name rankings advantage and why is BYU an ESPN favorite?

Utah cracked the Coaches Poll 8 years before LaVell became BYU's head coach, 10 years before BYU appeared in its first bowl game, and 13 years before BYU cracked the AP and Coaches Polls.

Here's a clue:

Shiede-Neilson-Wilson McMahon-Young-Bosco Detmer-Sarkisian

From 1976 to 1985, BYU won TEN-straight WAC championships, finished in the Top 20 SEVEN times, in the Top 12 FIVE, with 24-straight wins, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a National Championship. Six years later, Ty Detmer opened his Heisman Trophy winning season by beating #1-ranked, defending National Champion Miami.

While BYU was building a legacy, Utah completely disappeared off the national radar from 1965 to 1993.

Ten years later, Utah has a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons in 2004 and 2008 and Utah fans whine when BYU fans aren't enamored with Utah's instant success.

Sorry to disappoint you, but BYU fans have seen what it takes to build a legacy and, despite your fortunate invitation to the PAC 12, Utah isn't even close.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

scenic view

You forgot to mention why BYU is an ESPN favorite.

I've heard it began with ESPN's first ever nationally televised college football game, which just happened to be 1983's 7th-ranked BYU playing at 1984's pre-season #3-ranked Pittsburgh, the game that launched BYU's National Championship season and sent panic waves through the elites of college football.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

"BYU has a brand name. There is much history to be proud of as a BYU fan. But of course they have an advantage over Utah in getting ranked. Brand name, wideband following across the country, and ESPN exposure help BYU get ranked."

Finishing 5-7 doesn't help. Even when you beat your rival. Three years in a row.

To be fair, "Brand name, wideband following across the country, and ESPN exposure" combined with beating Utah State couldn't get us a higher ranking than the Aggies. They did just fine with no other advantage than winning a lot of games.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Hey guys, you don't get it. I am very aware of BYU's football history (Shiede-Neilson-Wilson McMahon-Young-Bosco Detmer-Sarkisian and maybe Hall). I NEVER said Utah had a richer history than BYU. If I say something that doesn't praise BYU football, then ya'll act like I am ignorant for not seeing things your way.

The problem I have is when BYU fans feel the need to slam Utah's recent success as if they haven't had any. I understand when BYU fans throw out being in the polls, winning 10 games, having a heisman, and winning a national championship. I get it. I would do that if I was a BYU fan.

Utah has positives as well. 8 out of 11 and 13 out of 20 over BYU. Two undefeated seasons and BCS Bowl wins. And BEFORE joining the PAC 12, Utah had beaten more BCS schools than any other so called mid major (including BYU, Boise State, and TCU) from 2000-2010.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Bronco's up 3.5 games on Kyle overall. Mendenhall made up 4.5 games the last two years since both schools changed schedules (conference affiliation). Kyle was UP ONE GAME for the six years Utah and BYU played in the same conference. How's that possible (Utah loses to the teams they shouldn't)? Note; those losses aren't as frequent as advertised. But the losses are there (BYU shores up their business against those teams).

The reason Kyle was up one? It's partially the head to head factor although the last two Utah series wins don't count under my MWC comparison. The big factor is the non conference wins. When BYU was losing early on (Mendehall dilemma) to the likes of Boston College, Arizona and others, Utah was winning their BCS school games. What's changed for Utah since 2010? Every week grind (playing better teams). TCU has owned BYU for years and now has a worse record as well.

Now I will get objection here, but the reason Utah's percentages of victory with BCS schools in the PAC 12 has gone down since joining the conference is the week in and week out grind of playing bigger schools.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Football is a war of attrition and depth is huge. When playing BCS schools each week, you are playing bigger, stronger, and faster athletes. Now I get the objection to paying attention to 4 star recruits. BYU has done really well getting their guys. But depth is a factor. That's why Mendenhall doesn't do contact practices at BYU. Utah did really well for 10 years against BCS schools. They had the most wins and best percentages over any other non BCS school. Now Utah is in the PAC 12 and is well below 500 against these schools. the reason? Again it's playing a BCS schedule. It's why the naysayers were ready to pounce and say we knew you would struggle once you got in the club. Playing a MWC for Utah allowed for fresher bodies against the bigger schools. And the Sugar Bowl had the long bowl season rest cycle. Still, if BYU thinks they would do better in an every week schedule, they are not living in reality. Colorado, Washington State, and California are BAD TEAMS but the physical toll after those games is more severe than playing Big Sky and WAC teams. Again, look at TCU also.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

I actually think Utah has had an advantage playing BYU early in the year the last two years. By the end of the year, the PAC 12 takes more of a toll on Utah than BYU's schedule would have. However, not so much next year as BYU DOES have a strong schedule. I miss the November rivalry games . After next year, I will miss the games all together for a few years. I don't fault BYU for playing Idaho in November, it's their only patsy outside of Middle Tennesse State. Playing one or two practice games is normal for most good football programs. It's playing four of those games that has had me chapped when BYU fans brag about superior records. let's see what you can do next year.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

TroyTown said:

If I understand the dialogue correctly, Utah's 2013 season will end on September 21st when the Utes lose to BYU.
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You don't understand at all. On September 21, Utah will again beat BYU. However, BYU fans will continue to insist they have the better team. Like I said, you guys win, even when you lose. Anything but man up and state: the better team won.

royalblue
Alpine, UT

Spokane Ute

You've misread the tea leaves - BYU fans, like the majority of fans, will continue to insist that the team that has the better season is the better team, regardless of who wins the head to head.

Of course that won't matter in 2013, because BYU will win both the head to head and the overall season.

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gdog3finally

Utah does indeed have positives, Utah's two bcs wins being the most obvious, but even in the current era, with all of the success Utah has had recently, BYU is still outperforming Utah in many areas, not the least of which are Top 25 Finishes, where BYU has been a perennial Top 25 program since 1977 (18 of 35), whereas Utah has never had a single decade in which the Utes finished in the AP Top 25 in 5 of the 10 seasons.

The one big knock on Kyle is his propensity to lose to mediocre and really bad teams like Colorado, UNLV, New Mexico, Colorado St, and Wyoming, the type of teams Bronco doesn't lose to, which helps explain why Bronco has finished in the Top 25 more often than Kyle.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

On September 21st 2013 nobody should attend the game in provo. It doesn't matter one game head to head doesn't matter at all who wins. Nobody attend the game and nobody watch the game on TV, we don't even need a report on who won since it makes no difference.

Also nobody should tune in this Sunday to the super bowl or waste money attending the game. It don't matter who wins the game the 49ers are the better team. They have better record and are ranked higher. So even if the Ravens win it don't matter the 49ers are still the better team.

I don't understand why so many fan's attend games, watch on TV, tail gate, etc. One game don't matter anything. I don't understand why people don't just throw parties, tail gate, and attend the final ranking release. This is the only thing that matters not the games. It's highly more important what a bunch of reporters and coaches that rarely see a game but their own think then what happens when the teams play each other.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@CougFaninTX

Regarding your "comparison" and invitation to make my own comparison. I did so; however so did Athlon. According to Athlon Utah plays Oregon, 3; Stanford, 6; UCLA, 18; Oregon St, 21; Arizona St., 24 and their "next in line" Arizona, and USC. BUI [;aus ND, 7; Boise, 13; Texas, 19; and Wisconsin, 20; and "next in line Georgia Tech. According to them whose schedule is tougher? You say you are "willing to bet we'll (Y) be bowling and Utah will be haome for the holidays again." Even though Utah's schedule is tougher (I'll bet on that one also Phil Steele to be the authority)I'll call you bet. One bottle of Ruby's BBQ sauce if I win; you name a comparably priced prize if you win!

Irrelevant
Provo, UT

I would be interested in seeing how many views BYU articles get verses Ute articles here on DNews. What a silly world we live in.

That being said, I'm excited for a new schedule, a new quarterback, a new offense, as well as more ESPN games. You really can't beat the situation the cougars find themselves. It's a great day to be a cougar.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "You don't pat us on the head. You get paddled out of the stadium. The most dominant team in the state is the one that with the better record these past 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 years."

Bro, you're just proving my point. Your only metric of success for Utah is beating your big brother BYU. Y else would U be on a BYU comment board posting about Utah's wins over BYU?

I think it's cute, I really do. Because I really don't care at all about Utah. Utah (and their fans) have proved since LaVell's days in the 70's that the ONLY thing Utah cares about is beating BYU.

So you've got scoreboard over BYU for the last three years, two of those wins coming in fluke fashion. Congratulations? U finished last season at 5-7 and U run your football facilities out of a trailer park. U really aren't worth BYU's time.

But I enjoy the whining, little bro.

Go Cougars!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ truecoug1

BYU missed a ton of FGs. I wouldn't call it a fluke.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Two For Flinching

I'm not calling the missed FG's a fluke. As we saw throughout the season, missed field goals became a norm for BYU. The fluke was the fact that BYU outscored Utah's offense 21-17, and the winning score came on a botched snap and fumble recovery by BYU at the Utah 20.

That was a flukey play that ultimately decided the game.

Go Cougars!

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