@Two For FlinchingI'm not calling the missed FG's a fluke.
As we saw throughout the season, missed field goals became a norm for BYU. The
fluke was the fact that BYU outscored Utah's offense 21-17, and the winning
score came on a botched snap and fumble recovery by BYU at the Utah 20. That was a flukey play that ultimately decided the game.Go
@ truecoug1BYU missed a ton of FGs. I wouldn't call it a
@NavalVet "You don't pat us on the head. You get paddled out of the
stadium. The most dominant team in the state is the one that with the better
record these past 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 years."Bro, you're
just proving my point. Your only metric of success for Utah is beating your big
brother BYU. Y else would U be on a BYU comment board posting about Utah's
wins over BYU?I think it's cute, I really do. Because I really
don't care at all about Utah. Utah (and their fans) have proved since
LaVell's days in the 70's that the ONLY thing Utah cares about is
beating BYU. So you've got scoreboard over BYU for the last
three years, two of those wins coming in fluke fashion. Congratulations? U
finished last season at 5-7 and U run your football facilities out of a trailer
park. U really aren't worth BYU's time.But I enjoy the
whining, little bro.Go Cougars!
I would be interested in seeing how many views BYU articles get verses Ute
articles here on DNews. What a silly world we live in.That being
said, I'm excited for a new schedule, a new quarterback, a new offense, as
well as more ESPN games. You really can't beat the situation the cougars
find themselves. It's a great day to be a cougar.
@CougFaninTXRegarding your "comparison" and invitation to
make my own comparison. I did so; however so did Athlon. According to Athlon
Utah plays Oregon, 3; Stanford, 6; UCLA, 18; Oregon St, 21; Arizona St., 24 and
their "next in line" Arizona, and USC. BUI [;aus ND, 7; Boise, 13;
Texas, 19; and Wisconsin, 20; and "next in line Georgia Tech. According to
them whose schedule is tougher? You say you are "willing to bet we'll
(Y) be bowling and Utah will be haome for the holidays again." Even though
Utah's schedule is tougher (I'll bet on that one also Phil Steele to
be the authority)I'll call you bet. One bottle of Ruby's BBQ sauce if
I win; you name a comparably priced prize if you win!
On September 21st 2013 nobody should attend the game in provo. It doesn't
matter one game head to head doesn't matter at all who wins. Nobody attend
the game and nobody watch the game on TV, we don't even need a report on
who won since it makes no difference. Also nobody should tune in
this Sunday to the super bowl or waste money attending the game. It don't
matter who wins the game the 49ers are the better team. They have better record
and are ranked higher. So even if the Ravens win it don't matter the 49ers
are still the better team. I don't understand why so many
fan's attend games, watch on TV, tail gate, etc. One game don't matter
anything. I don't understand why people don't just throw parties, tail
gate, and attend the final ranking release. This is the only thing that matters
not the games. It's highly more important what a bunch of reporters and
coaches that rarely see a game but their own think then what happens when the
teams play each other.
Spokane UteYou've misread the tea leaves - BYU fans, like the
majority of fans, will continue to insist that the team that has the better
season is the better team, regardless of who wins the head to head.Of course that won't matter in 2013, because BYU will win both the head
to head and the overall season.---------gdog3finallyUtah does indeed have positives, Utah's two bcs wins being the most
obvious, but even in the current era, with all of the success Utah has had
recently, BYU is still outperforming Utah in many areas, not the least of which
are Top 25 Finishes, where BYU has been a perennial Top 25 program since 1977
(18 of 35), whereas Utah has never had a single decade in which the Utes
finished in the AP Top 25 in 5 of the 10 seasons.The one big knock
on Kyle is his propensity to lose to mediocre and really bad teams like
Colorado, UNLV, New Mexico, Colorado St, and Wyoming, the type of teams Bronco
doesn't lose to, which helps explain why Bronco has finished in the Top 25
more often than Kyle.
TroyTown said:If I understand the dialogue correctly, Utah's
2013 season will end on September 21st when the Utes lose to BYU.--------You don't understand at all. On September 21, Utah will
again beat BYU. However, BYU fans will continue to insist they have the better
team. Like I said, you guys win, even when you lose. Anything but man up and
state: the better team won.
I actually think Utah has had an advantage playing BYU early in the year the
last two years. By the end of the year, the PAC 12 takes more of a toll on Utah
than BYU's schedule would have. However, not so much next year as BYU DOES
have a strong schedule. I miss the November rivalry games . After next year, I
will miss the games all together for a few years. I don't fault BYU for
playing Idaho in November, it's their only patsy outside of Middle Tennesse
State. Playing one or two practice games is normal for most good football
programs. It's playing four of those games that has had me chapped when BYU
fans brag about superior records. let's see what you can do next year.
Football is a war of attrition and depth is huge. When playing BCS schools each
week, you are playing bigger, stronger, and faster athletes. Now I get the
objection to paying attention to 4 star recruits. BYU has done really well
getting their guys. But depth is a factor. That's why Mendenhall
doesn't do contact practices at BYU. Utah did really well for 10 years
against BCS schools. They had the most wins and best percentages over any other
non BCS school. Now Utah is in the PAC 12 and is well below 500 against these
schools. the reason? Again it's playing a BCS schedule. It's why the
naysayers were ready to pounce and say we knew you would struggle once you got
in the club. Playing a MWC for Utah allowed for fresher bodies against the
bigger schools. And the Sugar Bowl had the long bowl season rest cycle. Still,
if BYU thinks they would do better in an every week schedule, they are not
living in reality. Colorado, Washington State, and California are BAD TEAMS but
the physical toll after those games is more severe than playing Big Sky and WAC
teams. Again, look at TCU also.
Bronco's up 3.5 games on Kyle overall. Mendenhall made up 4.5 games the
last two years since both schools changed schedules (conference affiliation).
Kyle was UP ONE GAME for the six years Utah and BYU played in the same
conference. How's that possible (Utah loses to the teams they
shouldn't)? Note; those losses aren't as frequent as advertised. But
the losses are there (BYU shores up their business against those teams). The reason Kyle was up one? It's partially the head to head factor
although the last two Utah series wins don't count under my MWC comparison.
The big factor is the non conference wins. When BYU was losing early on
(Mendehall dilemma) to the likes of Boston College, Arizona and others, Utah was
winning their BCS school games. What's changed for Utah since 2010? Every
week grind (playing better teams). TCU has owned BYU for years and now has a
worse record as well. Now I will get objection here, but the reason
Utah's percentages of victory with BCS schools in the PAC 12 has gone down
since joining the conference is the week in and week out grind of playing bigger
Hey guys, you don't get it. I am very aware of BYU's football history
(Shiede-Neilson-Wilson McMahon-Young-Bosco Detmer-Sarkisian and maybe Hall). I
NEVER said Utah had a richer history than BYU. If I say something that
doesn't praise BYU football, then ya'll act like I am ignorant for not
seeing things your way. The problem I have is when BYU fans feel the
need to slam Utah's recent success as if they haven't had any. I
understand when BYU fans throw out being in the polls, winning 10 games, having
a heisman, and winning a national championship. I get it. I would do that if I
was a BYU fan. Utah has positives as well. 8 out of 11 and 13 out of
20 over BYU. Two undefeated seasons and BCS Bowl wins. And BEFORE joining the
PAC 12, Utah had beaten more BCS schools than any other so called mid major
(including BYU, Boise State, and TCU) from 2000-2010.
gdog3finallyWest Jordan, Utah"BYU has a brand name. There
is much history to be proud of as a BYU fan. But of course they have an
advantage over Utah in getting ranked. Brand name, wideband following across the
country, and ESPN exposure help BYU get ranked."Finishing 5-7
doesn't help. Even when you beat your rival. Three years in a row.To be fair, "Brand name, wideband following across the country, and
ESPN exposure" combined with beating Utah State couldn't get us a
higher ranking than the Aggies. They did just fine with no other advantage than
winning a lot of games.
scenic viewYou forgot to mention why BYU is an ESPN favorite.I've heard it began with ESPN's first ever nationally
televised college football game, which just happened to be 1983's
7th-ranked BYU playing at 1984's pre-season #3-ranked Pittsburgh, the game
that launched BYU's National Championship season and sent panic waves
through the elites of college football.
gdog3finallyHow do you think BYU got that brand name rankings
advantage and why is BYU an ESPN favorite?Utah cracked the Coaches
Poll 8 years before LaVell became BYU's head coach, 10 years before BYU
appeared in its first bowl game, and 13 years before BYU cracked the AP and
Coaches Polls.Here's a clue:Shiede-Neilson-Wilson
McMahon-Young-Bosco Detmer-SarkisianFrom 1976 to 1985, BYU won
TEN-straight WAC championships, finished in the Top 20 SEVEN times, in the Top
12 FIVE, with 24-straight wins, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a National
Championship. Six years later, Ty Detmer opened his Heisman Trophy winning
season by beating #1-ranked, defending National Champion Miami.While
BYU was building a legacy, Utah completely disappeared off the national radar
from 1965 to 1993.Ten years later, Utah has a couple of
flash-in-the-pan seasons in 2004 and 2008 and Utah fans whine when BYU fans
aren't enamored with Utah's instant success.Sorry to
disappoint you, but BYU fans have seen what it takes to build a legacy and,
despite your fortunate invitation to the PAC 12, Utah isn't even close.
@Anti BCS & other BYU fans, so many of you are against the BCS. I am as well
even though I am glad to be in the PAC 12. The hypocrisy however that I see in
many BYU fans is that they focus on polls and rankings so much. these rankings
are much like the BCS. they are a beauty pageant and BYU has a brand name. There
is much history to be proud of as a BYU fan. But of course they have an
advantage over Utah in getting ranked. Brand name, wideband following across the
country, and ESPN exposure help BYU get ranked. also these stats and records
that some BYU fans put out are inductively subjective. It's not like Utah
doesn't have similar claims of seniority.
"It's laughable that utah fans whine about how 'difficult'
their schedules have been, when the utes have at least 3 or 4 patsies on their
schedule every year. Yet, even with four gimmies - No. Colo(5-6),
California(3-9), WSU(3-9), and Colorado(1-11) - on their 2012 schedule, the
sorry utes only managed to win 5 games, and without BYU's gift scoop and
score to utah, the utes wouldn't have made it to 5 wins."During the same season referenced above, byu also played Washington State at
home as well as Weber State which, coincidentally, happened to play against
& lose to the above-referred to Northern Colorado at home in Ogden and
finished the season looking up to Northern CO in the standings....Furthermore,
byu played both Hawaii and Idaho at home, in addition to closing-out their
regular season in fashion down there in Las Cruces against New Mexico State.Finally, UTAH was up 24-7 in the 4th-Quarter against byu, hit
cruse-control and just simply fell-asleep, out of sheer-boredom....Just see
their unforced muffed-punt, for instance....And this was w/myriad key-players
out for UTAH.
"You do realize, don't you, that Bronco with FOUR AP/Coaches Top 25
finishes in the last 7 years, has nearly as many as AP/Coaches Top 25 finishes
as Utah, with only FIVE, has in its ENTIRE HISTORY?"Ahhhh, yes,
conveniently omitting the all-important stat--SOS....Such as in 1984 when
byu's SOS ranked #96 nationally out 98 total D1 schools ranked.But, SOS is not relevant, correct?
Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last
decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little
Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.
Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too:
they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national
champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98
division 1A schools. And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.
They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in
their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far
the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion."
How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a
horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only
conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.
For those of you who believe USC's problem isn't exclusively Kiiffin
and ineptness beyond just simply recruiting, check-out their current recruiting
class, per ESPN.com--USC 2013 verbal commitments: 14 Spotlight: The Jason Hatcher drama continues, and now it looks like the No. 14
defensive end in the country has re-committed to the Trojans after de-committing
a week and a half ago. If it holds up, it's a good way for the Trojans to
stop some of the bleeding that had gouged the recruiting class in recent weeks.
ESPN 150 members: 9 (Su'a Cravens, S, Murrieta, Calif.; Jalen Ramsey,
CB, Brentwood, Tenn.; Max Browne, QB, Sammamish, Wash.; Kenny Bigelow, DT,
Elkton, MD.; Leon McQuay III, S, Seffner, Fla.; Michael Hutchings, OLB, Concord,
Calif.; Chris Hawkins, CB, Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.; Steven Mitchell, WR,
Mission Hills, Calif.; Ty Isaac, athlete. Joliet, Ill.; ESPN 300 members:
14 (Jason Hatcher, DE, Louisville, Ky.; Justin Davis, RB, Stockton, Calif.; Nico
Falah, OT, Bellflower, Calif.;Torrodney Prevot, DE, Houston; Khaliel Rodgers,
OG, Elkton MD.)
Wow over 130 comments. I'd say the Cougars schedule is having a huge
impact on the Universities' Publicity. If Hollywood teaches anything any
press is good press.
Solomon Levi:"The whole concept behind rankings is evaluating
teams according to their entire body of work, not just a single game."The entire body of worked proved Utah was the better team.First and foremost, we won the head-to-head matchup. And winning 3 in a row,
and 8 of the last 11 shows there's nothing "flukish" about Utah
beating our little brother in these contests.Secondly, and somewhat
less significantly, just look at our common opponents. Utah went 2-2 vs. OSU,
WSU, USU, and the Y. The Y went 2-2 vs. OSU, WSU, USU and the U. Utah wins the
edge in entire body of work by beating WSU by more points, losing to OSU by
fewer points, and winning the head-to-head matchup.Only a desperate
Y fans would try to compare their wins vs. Hawai'i, NMSU, Idaho, et al. to
Utah's losses vs. teams like UCLA, Washington, ASU, etc. There's just
no comparison. The ONLY legitimate comparison are games between USU, OSU, WSU,
and the head-to-head game. Those are the only relevant "body of work"
truecoug1:"We just smile, pat U on the head, remind U of how BYU
has been, and will continue to be, the dominant program in the state of
Utah"No you don't. You just roll over and play dead when
you take the field vs. your big brother on the Hill, and then make excuses about
how the better team didn't win. You don't pat us on the head. You
get paddled out of the stadium. The most dominant team in the state is the one
that with the better record these past 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 years.And that would be Utah.
@mussingaroundI agree completely.@spokane uteYou're floundering badly. Regroup and come back with something
If I understand the dialogue correctly, Utah's 2013 season will end on
September 21st when the Utes lose to BYU.After that, no matter what
Utah does, even if they miraculously go on to win the PAC 12 title, and win in
their first Rose Bowl, and finish in the Top 5, Utah fans will still acknowledge
BYU as being a better team than Utah.Right!I've got
some lovely beach front property that Utah fans might be interested in.
spokane ute"Why can't our friends simply reference head to
head games?"Because one game does not a season make.Head-to-head wins give you just that, head-to-head bragging rights.But, they don't prove you're a better team.The whole
concept behind rankings is evaluating teams according to their entire body of
work, not just a single game. Better overall season, yields higher ranking and
equate to better team.It's a simple concept.Utah
won the battle. BYU won the war.
@54-10Why can't our friends simply reference head to head
games? It's such a simple concept, but one they can't grasp. It's
the only program I know who thinks they win; even when they lose. Who thinks
they are better than there opponent, even when they get beat beat by them. I
guess anything but man up and give credit where credit is due.
CordonBleuPark City, UTskywalker."Was unranked
BYU(8-5) better than #16 Utah State(11-2)?"I'll take a stab
at that... OF COURSE NOT! The Aggies had a fabulous season and represented the
state of Utah very well. It was one of the few bright spots of our season to
have beaten the best team in the state. Alabama is the NC, Texas
A&M beat the NC, but 'Bama is still the national champ.
The constant bickering from both sides is just ridiculous. Here is a good
analogy for fans to consider. While Utah is winning the battle (Head to
Head), BYU is winning the war (better overall records, higher rankings). I guess fans have to decide what is more important to them?
Duckhunter"utah had one high point that was higher than any of
BYU's high points"True, but Utah also had several low
points that were lower than any of BYU's low points.2012 - 5-7
losing season and no bowl2011 - losing to 3-10 Colorado2007 - being
shut out by 2-10 UNLV 0-272005-2007 - losing to every MWC bottom dweller -
New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLVWhen citing their record
against "bcs" teams and Top 25 teams, Utah fans conveniently forget
about those low points, and then wonder why Utah hasn't been ranked more
often.For a program that thinks of itself as one of the "big
boys", only FIVE AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history not only shows
Utah's true stature on the national stage, but shows where Utah really
stands in comparison to BYU, which has SEVENTEEN AP Top 25 finishes, including
FOUR during Bronco's tenure.
skywalkerYou've created a great little Catch 22 for our friends
on the hill.If they answer your question truthfully without any
qualifiers, they completely invalidate their head-to-head proves superiority
argument.If they answer your question based on their head-to-head
argument, they'll not only look foolish, they'll completely invalidate
their SOS argument, since one game carries more weight than an entire season.Obvious solution, punt, and spin some irrelevant nonsense that
completely ignores the question.Can't wait to see the reaction
when BYU fans start claiming that BYU's 1942 2-5 team was BETTER than
Utah's conference championship winning 6-2 team.Oh wait, that
was so long ago is doesn't count, except of course, in the overall series
record.arrrrrgh, it's all so confusing when you try to
logically follow the spin from the kids on the hill.
@2irreleventandancient"wins'kyle has not "done it
twice", he did it once and it was certianly a great accomplishment, all
credit to him on that one. But overall BYU has done better. More wins, more
rankings in the final polls. Just like one game does not make a season one
season does not make an 8 year tenure. Sure a school can get some mileage out of
1 win or 1 season, but overall they are measured by all of the games in a season
and all of the seasons in the coaches tenure. kyle has not had as much success
winning games nor has he had as much success having winning seasons, nor has he
had as much success being ranked, as Bronco has during their tenures. You can't claim otherwise because those are facts. utah had one high
point that was higher than any of BYU's high points during that time but
utah has had less high points overall. Just the facts, learn to deal with it.
@2BCSWINS (and most of the other Utah 'fans' on this board)I think it's interesting that when confronted by the fact that BYU has
had a consistently better/more successful program than Utah over the last 8
years, you immediately fall back to the "3 straight, 8 of 11, absolutley
[sic] dominate overall series!" rhetoric.As always, you once
again are showing that the only metric of success for Utah fans is beating
BYU.That's about as little brotherish as it gets.Once a little bro, always a little bro. I love Ute fans...U guys are so cute,
coming on BYU boards, stomping your feet and trying to get BYU fans to think U
are relevant.We just smile, pat U on the head, remind U of how BYU
has been, and will continue to be, the dominant program in the state of Utah
(made all the more evident by U all posting on here trying to convince us that
BYU isn't), and then tell U to enjoy being in a high-chair with Colorado at
the "big boys" table while BYU continues on its path of national
relevance.So whine away, Utes. It's adorable.Go
DuckhunterHighland, UT.....and yet BYU still hasn't beat
Utah for the last 3 years.Now scurry off to Tulsa.
skywalkerI wonder how Aggie fans would respond.Was
unranked BYU(8-5) better than #16 Utah State(11-2)?If not, why not?
2B"One great season would be better then [sic] 0 significant
accomplishment's for Bronco...LOL"So obviously, two epitome
of major college football accomplishments for one program would be better than 0
such accomplishments for another program.Such as winning a National
Championship and a Heisman Trophy."Read my comment again I
didn't trot out the top 5 ranking."By asking the question,
you absolutely did trot out Kyle's Top 5 ranking.Undefeated
seasons are only as significant as the rankings they achieve.BYU's best season still far exceeds anything Utah has accomplished in
their entire history.BYU's 35 years of perennial Top 25
finishes far exceeds Utah's brief seven year flash-in-the-pan.You do realize, don't you, that Bronco with FOUR AP/Coaches Top 25
finishes in the last 7 years, has nearly as many as AP/Coaches Top 25 finishes
as Utah, with only FIVE, has in its ENTIRE HISTORY?
@Sky walkerSo what your saying is Arkansas St is better then the
@sky walker"Why not? ONE great season is Kyle's ONE
significant accomplishment in 8 seasons."One great season would
be better then 0 significant accomplishment's for Bronco...LOL"It's interesting that you immediately trot out Kyle's Top 5
ranking in 2008, yet you conveniently choose to ignore the rankings when they
don't support your agenda."Read my comment again I
didn't trot out the top 5 ranking. I asked why your fellow cougie stopped
at top 15 ranking and didnt continue to top 10 or top 5 the cougie troted the
rankings out. @Duckycontinuestohavenoclue"Based on
the college football system in place over that span BYU has unquestionably been
the superior team in national accomplishment."Why becasue you
say so...LOL! The best a team can do in a season is go unbeaten. Kyle has done
it twice Bronco 0. The utes have done it 9 times the cougies 1. So overall the
utes have had far greater success then the cougies. They have also done it twice
in the last decade where the cougies only one was 3 decades ago....get it?
Actually no need to ask.... you don't get much...LOL!
This is a heck of a schuedule for BYU. Good luck in all games except the October
26th geme. BYU should at least end up 7-5 with this schedule, while the Yewtes
are 4-8 at best! Cant wait to kick off the season again.GO BRONCOS
2B"Too bad they can't make that a fact on the field where
it matters."Here's your answer courtesy of another blogger
on another thread.Which of the following is true? Answer
each one truthfully and you'll have your answer why head-to-head results
don't definitively determine which team is better.1. Texas
A&M was better than National Champion Alabama in 2012.2.
Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2011.3. UNLV(2-10) was better
than Utah(9-4) in 2007.4. New Mexico(6-7) was better than Utah(8-5) in
2006.5. SDSU(5-7) was better than Utah(7-5) in 2005.6. Texas
A&M(4-8) was better than Utah(10-2) in 2003.7. BYU(2-5) was better
than Conference Champion Utah(6-2) in 1942.The evidence is
overwhelming and is reflected in the polls and in the national rankings that one
single head-to-head game during an entire season doesn't prove which team
@2irreleventandancient"wins"The nfl has playoffs, college
football doesn't, not yet anyway. Based on the college football system in
place over that span BYU has unquestionably been the superior team in national
accomplishment. More wins, more top 25 finishes, those are the measuring
2B"Why did you stop at listing top 15 and not continue to top 10
and top 5?"Why not? ONE great season is Kyle's ONE
significant accomplishment in 8 seasons.Kyle has as many losing
seasons as he has great seasons."Using your logic the Ravens
shouldn't be in the superbowl [sic] the Bronco's and Patritots [sic]
both have better rankings and records."The one who's not
using logic here is YOU!Super Bowl teams are determined by which
teams win in the PLAYOFFS, not by which teams are the better.It's interesting that you immediately trot out Kyle's Top 5 ranking
in 2008, yet you conveniently choose to ignore the rankings when they don't
support your agenda.
@talkin sports"Bronco has FIVE Top 25 finishes; Kyle only
three.Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes; Kyle only one."Why did you stop at listing top 15 and not continue to top 10 and top 5? It
wouldn't be becasue Bronco has 0 and Kyle does would it? Anybody can come on here and list things that favor their team while leaving
off things that don't. Cougie fan's are famous for it.....LOL!"BYU has been more impressive against BYU's schedule than Utah
has been against Utah's schedule. That's a fact reflected in the final
rankings."Too bad they can't make that a fact on the field
where it matters. Rankings schedules etc. are subjective the game is not my
friend. Using your logic the Ravens shouldn't be in the superbowl the
Bronco's and Patritots both have better rankings and records. The ravens
beat em head to head on the field however thats why they are better...get it?
National acclaim. A BCS bid. And we'll beat Notre Dame!
@gdogBut you see the hypocrisy from utah "fans" is the
issue. It doesn't bother me if utah "fans" make delusional
predictions about their teams, I actually enjoy it as it gives moe stuff to mock
them about. What I enjoy doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of utah
"fans". You see many of you make absolutely insane
predictions about the quality of the utah athletic program while alternately
knocking the quality of the BYU program, then you whine about it when a BYU fan
says anything that might even be slightly construed as a negative about BYU. In
otherwords blatant hypocrisy. And I LOVE it!There is not an argument
that can be made that utah has a superior, or for that matter even equal,
athletic program to BYU's. utah's is so vastly inferior across the
board that they are not even a blip. Yet utah "fans" still delusionally
claim that utah is superior based on nothing more than an affiliation with other
schools vastly superior to themselves yet roughly equivalent to BYU as athletic
programs.But I have no problems with your comments, keep them up, it
gives me stuff to mock.
Keep drinking the koolaid whatsinit. Of course it is possible for the y to go
undefeated, it is also possible for earth to be destroyed by a giant meteor this
year. Now lets talk about probabilities. Not likely.
snack"BYU's schedule could very easily be more difficult
than utah's."You sound very sure of yourself. lolLet's just all agree that both schools will see their most difficult
schedules in their respective school's history. That's a fact.Can't wait.Go Utes!
2B@Snack Pac"You crack me up, even your screen name
shows how truly jealous you are of Utah being in the Pac 12."You
obviously don't understand the difference between mocking and jealousy.No matter how you spin it, finishing higher in the rankings is BETTER
than finishing lower in the rankings.BYU beat Utah StateUtah
State beat UtahUtah beat BYUOf the three, who was the best?Obviously, Utah State, which not only finished with the best record,
but, more importantly, the highest ranking.AP/Coaches/Sagarin#16/#17/#19 Utah State(11-2) > unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61
Utah(5-7)That's just the way it is.Why does
EVERYONE understand this very simple concept, except for Utah fans?
2BNo spin necessary to prove that BYU is better than Utah. The final
rankings are the final word on every season.Nobody claimed that one
game doesn't matter and that BYU fans don't care about beating Utah,
but one game does not a season make, unless, of course, it's the national
championship game.Just as in school, it doesn't matter how many
quizzes you ace during the term, the only thing that really matters is the final
grade.During the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has finished higher in the
rankings than Utah in 5 of the 8 seasons.Bronco has FIVE Top 25
finishes; Kyle only three.Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes; Kyle
only one.BYU has been more impressive against BYU's schedule
than Utah has been against Utah's schedule. That's a fact reflected in
the final rankings.Why would BYU fans be jealous of a conference
bottom dweller who isn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl with four
gimmies on their schedule?
@Snack PacYou crack me up, even your screen name shows how truly
jealous you are of Utah being in the Pac 12. You write posts all the time trying
to spin how the cougies are better. Only problem is no matter the spin you put
out there you can't change the fact the utes own the cougies. 3 straight, 8
of 11, absolutley dominate overall series!You continue to claim one
game don't matter. Um ok I'm sure Bronco's pre-game speach when
playing Utah is one game don't make a season guys. Lets head out there lose
to Utah again then finish the year strong beating as many teams as we can in the
state of Idaho and New Mexico thats what matters guys not this game against
AZUTE1"Wasn't this during the same season utah humiliated
BYU on their homefield [sic], 54-10?"Not only did BYU finish
higher than utah in Sagarin (#34 vs #39), but BYU also finished #25 in the
Coaches Poll and #26 in the AP Poll.PROVING...that one
game does not a season make!It's laughable that utah fans whine
about how "difficult" their schedules have been, when the utes have at
least 3 or 4 patsies on their schedule every year. Yet, even with four gimmies -
No. Colo(5-6), California(3-9), WSU(3-9), and Colorado(1-11) - on their 2012
schedule, the sorry utes only managed to win 5 games, and without BYU's
gift scoop and score to utah, the utes wouldn't have made it to 5 wins.BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012. Utah only played TWO. The bottom
five teams of BYU's schedule may have been "easier", but seriously,
how tough were utah's patsies with a combined record of 12-35? In reality,
BYU had one more gimmie than utah.As far as the "gap"
widening in 2013, you're seriously delusional. BYU's schedule could
very easily be more difficult than utah's.
Naval Vetdefinitely INferior:#34 BYU vs #35 Tulsa in
Dallas > #39 Utah vs #56 Ga Tech in El Paso#26 BYU vs #66 SDSU
in San Diego > #61 Utah vs couch potatoes in SLCWAC #16 Utah
State and #21 San Jose State > PAC 12 unranked USC and Utah2011
#25/#26/#34 BYU > unranked #39 Utah2012 unranked/#26 BYU bowl
winner > unranked/#61 Utah bowl no showWhen are you going to
wake up and smell the coffee? Conference labels like "team from a relevant
conference" don't mean diddly when determining where any particular
team places in the final rankings.
"#35 Tulsa, BYU opponent in the Armed Forces bowl, was ranked higher by
Sagarin, than either of last season's Sun Bowl participants - #39 Utah and
#56 Ga Tech"Wasn't this during the same season UTAH
humiliated byu on their homefield,54-10?And memo to byu fans....You
all collectively guaranteed a victory last year against UTAH and also the year
before that....When do you believe you'll finally learn your lesson?Furthermore, let me get this straight, because byu manages to barely
beat USU at home these past two years and after losing key-players, particularly
those surrounding Van Noy on D, and how byu's last visit up there
turned-out [one which didn't go into OT following a missed game-winning FG
and later involve a phantom-call during OT reversing a called TD], which
produced USU whipping byu convincingly, byu's a lock to beat USU up there?
USC has yet another top-flight recruiting class incoming....Their problem
isn't athletes/talent, it's Kiffin, the great equalizer....ASU returns
Consensus All-America Will Sutton and yes, his impact is that significant....ASU
is a legitimate contender to win The South Division.This is the
first schedule in byu's history which even remotely resembles the week in,
week out grind of a schedule UTAH's played the past 2 years....And their
desperation regarding UTAH is palpable in conveniently placing a bye-week just
prior to it, but alas, it will unequivocally be in vain, as such is life in
being straight owned by your rival, as byu is straight owned by UTAH.Remember, humility is the key....I recall the supreme confidence of the
byu-fanbase just prior to last September's game to not just simply be a byu
victory over UTAH but rather via brutally curb-stomping UTAH, w/outrageous
final-margin predictions...."Be Thou Oh Humble", or something to this
effect....We could all learn its application and all find it equally
useful....Good luck to us all in doing so.
Per Sagarin, byu's SOS ranked #63 nationally, UTAH's #41....W/an
Oregon team returning most of their starters being added as well as an even
stronger Stanford, the disparity between the two will widen closer toward the
even greater disparity of 2011 and beyond.Don't kid yourselves,
The PAC-12, from top-to-bottom, was greatly improved this past season and will
continue trending upward this coming season.ND didn't have
their starting QB against byu last year....On the same, exact field, ND made yet
another mediocre team in PITT look like a world-beater, too.
@DuckhunterThere are Utah fans speaking of PAC 12 championships and
Rose Bowls. So what! They are a small percentage even though most of us hope for
the best in that regard. Still, it's not like your so called life mission
of correcting hypocrisy in Ute fans is worth the trouble. There's just as
many BYU fans speaking of national championships and undefeated seasons as
possible, if anybody, including Cosmo plays QB over Riley Nelson? How's that for an indignant meltdown? I don't mind you said that
actually. I think you were half joking, but even the serious side of that label
deserves some specifics on my end. I mean you said "if I made similar
comments you would meltdown". What are those comments? Be fair Duckhunter.
Here's how I see it. I make tons of comments. I pump up my Utes
and find fault as well. I say things about BYU that could be viewed as critical
or unpopular. But I also give many compliments BYU's way. Right, wrong or
in between on my takes, I speak my opinions with the intent of having a sincere
Hasn't anyone noticed that most of the games, including some BCS games, are
during the warmer months, and only one (an easy win) is in the colder November?
This is a home-game ticket-holder's dream!And, if BYU can win
all of its November games in 2013, they'll likely be either undefeated or
only have one loss against Texas. Either scenario could get them into a BCS bowl
IF Texas also is top-5 ranked, because BYU's SOS for the year WILL be high,
and thus they'll be pretty highly BCS-ranked.
Naval Vet"Except for when your opponents in SF or SD are
also-ran mid-majors, whereas one's El Paso opponent is a team from a
relevant conference."LOL!BYU stomped the "team
from a relevant conference" that pummeled USC in the Sun Bowl this year.and#35 Tulsa, BYU opponent in the Armed Forces bowl, was
ranked higher by Sagarin, than either of last season's Sun Bowl
participants - #39 Utah and #56 Ga Tech You need to open your eyes
to see how utterly meaningless conference labels are when determining how good
or bad any particular team is.WAC teams Utah State and San Jose
State both finished in the Top 25 in 2012.Pre-season #1 USC
didn't even make the Top 25 and was pummeled in their bowl game by a team
that BYU easily handled on the road.
Duckhunter:"From a fans perspective going to SF or SD for a bowl
game is definately [sic] superior to going to el paso."Except
for when your opponents in SF or SD are also-ran mid-majors, whereas one's
El Paso opponent is a team from a relevant conference. Because THEN it's
Chris B:If you do better than 1-4 against Texas, Boise, notre dame, Utah,
and Wisconsin..IdahoCoog:Christina... against Texas, Boise,
notre dame, and Wisconsin, Utah wouldn't win a game. Not one!!!!!----------LOL... even BYU fans concede beating BYU isn't a
problem for Utah.Note the Cougar fan didn't include BYU in his
list of guarantee loses for the Utes.
BigCougarCome to San Francisco and enjoy a fun bowl and great city.
Forget all of the bowl hype about which bowls are more "prestigious".
We had a great time in San Diego last month.Frankly,
outside of the National Championship game, hardly anybody except for fans of the
teams involved even remembers from year to year which teams played in which
bowls.For example, without looking it up, can you tell me who played
in the Holiday bowl in 2010?
Beware the Idaho State Bengals. I heard ISU is easily going to break top 10,
without question. BYU is going to need all the luck they can get to come out
with the win against one of the nation's top performing football programs
in American history.
The ONLY thing I don't like about next season's schedule is the bowl
game. If we win 9 or 10 games on that schedule that's a great season and it
will seem pretty anti-climactic to have to then go to the Kraft Food Fight
Hunger Bowl and play a lame Pac12 bottom feeder. The Pac12 sure has some lousy
I quit reading and posting on this board for a long time because I could not
care less about the Utes but every article published about BYU ends up becoming
a childish argument about whether BYU or Utah has the better program. Ute fans,
seriously, don't you have anything else to do with your lives than come
here and try to disparage BYU? Pretty pathetic really. Now that
I've gotten that off my chest, what a great schedule for BYU this fall.
This is exactly what we were promised when we went independent and now we have
what we've been hoping for. This may not be the year but if we can keep
putting together schedules like this, one of these years we'll have a
special year and beat most if not everyone on the schedule and that will make
everything we've been through worthwhile. Can't wait till football
season. Go Cougs!
statman - interesting analysis. I think, however, your odds are overly
optimistic for Utah, Boise St., Wisconsin, and Nevada. Maybe underly optimistic
for Virginia. But probably still pretty goods of going bowling.
Oh, finally I love the November schedule. Way to finish hard. Hopefully we will
have a game in Provo next year though.
Very balanced, BCS-esque schedule.
965What inside information? That if these recruits went
to Utah they could count on spending the holidays with family and friends?btw, where'd you get idea that Travis Wilson was a first year
starting QB?More of your supposed "inside information"?LOL!
As a die hard Ute, I am so excited for this BYU season. For the first time, I am
glad to be in different conferences, so I can go rabid for both teams.
Coach Mendenhall and his staff are going to have to figure out how to win the
big games. It doesn't matter how broad the Cougs fan base happens to be,
ESPN is not going to renew its contract with BYU with predictable wins and
losses. If the 2013 season is worse than last year's, Mendenhall is going
to have to go and take the firesides with him.
This is a great schedule. For years everyone talked about how BYU and Utah
would do against a tough schedule and now we'll get to find out.While
I don't expect either BYU or Utah to win more than 7 games, and likely
fewer, at least we get to see them both play great competition and can hope for
the best.USU will once again be the best team in the state, but I'm
excited for all three teams in 2013.
6 recruits re opened recruitment instead of going to BYU.They
obviously have some inside information and made a smart decision to jump off the
SINKING SHIP.Good luck on that 10-2 record with a first year
starting QB Yners.Bwahahaha
Given games and probabilities of winning of:@ VirginiaW60%Texas
L40%Utah W60%Middle TennesseeW95%@Utah StateW66%Georgia TechW65%@ Houston W60%Boise StateW60%@
WisconsinT50%Idaho StateW99%@ Notre DameL33%@ Nevada
W75%Conclusions:Probability of going undefeated (regular
season): 0.26%Probability of double digit wins (regular season) = 10.9%Probability of going to a bowl (at least 6-6) = 91.66%Specifically:Probability of 12-0 = 0.26%Probability of 11-1 =
2.24%Probability of 10-2 = 8.41%Probability of 9-3 = 18.13%Probability of 8-4 = 24.98%Probability of 7-5 = 23.08%Probability
of 6-6 = 14.56%Probability of 5-7 = 6.24%Probability of 4-8 =
1.76%Probability of 3-9 = 0.31%Probability of 2-10 = 0.03%Probability of 1-11 = 0.001%Probability of 0-12 = 0.000008%You can argue with seed probabilities, but the rest is simple math.Given my seeds, BYU has about a 92% shot at going bowling next year. Anyone
saying they won't is nuts...
ute4everHow entertaining was it to watch Utah play in the couch
potato bowl?With Utah's ability to lose to practically anybody
on your schedule, your margin of error is much smaller than you think.What's truly laughable is Utah only won six conference championships in
the WAC/MWC conferences COMBINED, yet Utah fans are so arrogant that they
thought that Utah could step into a power conference andt start winning
conference championships left and right. From 1965 to 1991, Utah
didn't win a single WAC championship. Arizona has been in the PAC 10 since
1979 and is still looking for its first Rose Bowl. Don't be too surprised
if Utah is still looking for its first Rose Bowl 25 years from now.You do realize, don't you, that Utah will actually have to beat a
conference opponent with a winning record in order to win a conference
The biggest benefit for USU in playing BYU in Logan is they will fill their home
stadium. Last year, with the best team in the history of the school, and
winning a conference title outright (the first since 1934---not a typo, it
really is 1934), the mighty Aggie's couldn't get 18,000 fans into
their stadium for any of the three final games of the season. So much for
claiming to have a "program."As to the Utes, I think their
fans who said they would rather be playing a tougher PAC 12 schedule week-in and
week-out, even if that meant losing the majority of those games, have had their
wish granted. Personally, I'd rather have a winning record at some level
than continually being a door mat of a league where I didn't belong but was
invited when the BIG 12 didn't implode as the PAC 12 Commissioner had
proposed and hoped it would.So good luck to everyone next year.
I'm very happy they actually play the games on the field where the final
score is what matters. Utah's greatest accomplishment last
year was barely beating BYU. They're truly happy about that.
@GoRed"Even with all of the self-hype BYU is putting out with
their schedule for next year, Utah's schedule will still be
tougher."The truth is, you couldn't possibly know which
schedule will ultimately be tougher.Did you predict last August that
Utah State, San Jose State, and Oregon State would all finish in the Top 25,
while USC would finish out of the rankings and lose to a team in their bowl game
that BYU handled easily on the road?Didn't think so.Utah fans are fond of making lame predictions based on nothing but their own
I am glad to see the season finale in Reno. I just got a job transfer back to
Sacramento and will head up for the game providing the Donner Pass cooperates.
I loved going out to see the Cougars play when I lived in Nor Cal before. We
played at Stanford and we had almost twice as many fans there as the Cardinals
did. BYU always travels well. Good luck to the team for this very tough
Go Big Blue!!!Bountiful, UT"As both a Longhorn and an
Aggie I love this schedule. What a great opportunity to beat the Y twice in one
season! David Ash and Chuckie Keeton will be two of the best qbs the Cougars
DEFENSE will face(plant) next season."In all seriousness, they
ARE two fine qb's and we'll be fortunate to beat them both, especially
USU @ Cache Valley. Good luck to the Aggies in almost every game next year!
Strength of schedule doesn't matter, it's all about who can beat the
most teams from Idaho!!Wait what's that..?Ok
nevermind strength of schedule is important again now.
They had to cancel the Hawaii game because the warriors might be in the MWC
championship game? Really? They should have kept it open, another game
wouldn't hurt anything - it would be extra practice time for the POSSIBLE
@alternateNot exactly sure why you got a smile out of my comment;
but I'm glad to help. Do you often smile for no apparent reason? What we
should learn, I have no idea? Great riddle though. Maybe you can post the
decoder information next. @TroytownThe spin cycle stops
when you hit the button. I know that won't happen anytime soon though.
@DuckhunterYou may or may not be right with your assessment of Utah
and a BCS game. It may be a very, very long time. That said, UCLA was 6-3 in
the PAC 12 this year and went to the PAC12 championship game. The margin for
error with Utah is lot bigger than it is for BYU. If BYU remains independent
and keeps a similar strength of schedule, it is a lot more likely that Utah
see's a BCS game than BYU. All it takes is 1 loss for BYU and they are
right back to the Poinsettia Bowl. I watch college football for entertainment
and there is slim to no entertainment value in knowing where you will be at the
end of the season regardless. Utah almost was in the PAC12
championship game in its first year. They were a few plays away in 2012 from
being bowl eligible. Give them some solid quarterback play this year and who
knows what can happen, especially when you can lose 3 PAC12 games and still have
a shot at the Rose Bowl.
Even with all of the self-hype BYU is putting out with their schedule for next
year, Utah's schedule will still be tougher.
motorbikeLet's not kid ourselves about Wisconsin. The Badgers
destroyed then #12 Nebraska 70-31 in the B1G championship game and Stanford only
beat Wisconsin 20-14 in the Rose Bowl.On the other hand, we all know
that Utah fans would still be beating their chests incessantly about playing in
the first PAC 12 championship game, IF the Utes hadn't stunk it up against
Colorado, even though USC was on probation and none of the other teams in the
PAC 12 South finished with a winning record.The spin cycle on the
hill never stops, does it?
You can tell Utah and USU fans are excited for BYU's season, or else why
would they take the time to read and post? The whole state will follow BYU next
season. It will be a really fun year!I do think they will beat Utah
(barely beat BYU with all those seniors and now they are gone and have no senior
QB and BYU returns nearly all their star players) and USU (only really has their
QB and lost their head coach).Every week will be a fun week! Lots
of comments will pile up BYU articles cuz no one will be able to stay away from
BYU football. Thanks for the support all!!!!!!!
Well, now this is better including this November 2013. Amazing how you guys
predict how we will do for 2o13 which I don't believe in predictions. Well
Cougars boys, get your warm up going which you guys got a lot of work to do.
Well done Tom Holmoe. (better than playing at Wyo, CSU and NM.
Wishful thinking just like last year when I wished USU would win the WAC and the
Aggies ended the season in the top 20. The Y has to play in Cache Valley this
year against the best qb in the state and against an amazing D. It is far more
likely that my teams will go 2 and 0 against the Y than 0 and 2. Vegas will
show the Y as the underdog in both the Texas and USU games. Write it down.
@CougFaninTXVirginia > Washington StTexas = StanfordMiddle
Tennessee < Arizona StGeorge Tech > USCUtah State = Utah
StateHouston > ColoradoBoise State > Oregon StateWisconsin > UCLAIdaho State = Weber StateNotre Dame =
OregonNevada = ArizonaStanford is better than Texas. UCLA and
Wisconsin are similar and Boise and Oregon States are similar.
@toosmartforyou"Remember UNLV (27 - 0 for the Rebels)"Protip: when taunting Utah do try to select games that current students would
have any knowledge of. "Plus, which two BCS bowls did you win
again?"How could you forget? You remembered a 27-0 loss from
sometime before at least one of those two BCS bowls.
DuckhunterHighland, UTIn fact, Utah has beaten BYU 3 years in
a row and 8 of the last 11.You wouldn't know that since you
were in Tulsa.
For me the ideal scenario would be BYU beating Utah and Utah winning the PAC12
and the Rose Bowl.
I smile at Spokane Ute's comments about a BYU fan talking about Utah
football. "I like how CougfaninTexas immediately compares it to
Utah's. Paranoid, envy, jealsous? Maybe a little of all three."I also smile because a devout Utah fan, Chris B, and others fit the very
same mold. SUte couldn't have said it better for Chris and his constant
badgering about BYU sports even to the point where he ignores his beloved
Utes.We all can learn from this. Probably won't, but should.
@965And we all read the delusional utah "fans" claiming
pac12 championship, rose bowl, and possibly undefeated season before this last
season began so what's your point? BYU fans saying 9-3, or even 10-2, is
far more realistic than that claim was by utah "fans".And no
BYU did not have as bad a year as utah did. utah had a losing record and did not
go to a bowl game. BYU had a winning record and did got to a bowl game. The
schedules are irrelevent to anyone other than utah "fans" trying to
justify their own bad season. Obviously you have no idea how BYU would have done
with utah's schedule and we have no idea how BYU would have done with
utah's. BYU was in all of their games against some pretty good oppnenets,
it isn't so far fetched that they might have beaten some of the teams utah
got absolutely smoked by. The truth is the only thing utah has to
say anything about was that they did beat BYU, there is nothing else of note or
praise that occured for them last season. Just the facts.
What was Holmoe's comment about a conference scheduling alignment? Where
can I find it?
CougFaninTXDude, come on man ... you're better than this.
Numbers ... straight numbers ... no bias._____________TrueBlue"...but Wisconsin won the B1G and played in the Rose
Bowl."Let's don't get ahead of ourselves ... Wisconsin
finished with the 6th best record in the Big 10 and 3rd in their division. They
made the Big 10 Championship game by virtue of Penn St and Ohio St being on
was extremely reasonable and level-headed. I'm with you on the November
schedule ... if the Y can get good road opponents lined up for November and play
good opponents at home earlier in the season in better weather ... well, just
makes good sense. I also like Nevada more than Hawaii on that schedule. Now
it's time for both BYU and Utah to go prove they can get the big wins this
year. Like you I have no predictions. However, I wouldn't book that trip to
San Fran just yet ... there's still enough softees to feel fairly
comfortable but one or two upsets could put things in jeopardy.
Congratulations to the BYU staff. It's a good schedule with a mix of easy
and tough opponents.Other "powerhouse" schools always have a patsy
schedule for the beginning of their season (eg Nebraska, Florida, USC, Ohio
State, etc.) I glad to see BYU hitting the ground running this year. If
everything goes right, they could find themselves in the mix of a BCS Bowl game
at seasons end.
@JDLYou're kidding, right? You haven't seen the many BYU
fan posts of saying 10-2, 9-3? If you win more than 6 games on that would be an
amazing accomplishment. Especially going in with a new QB.BYU is
going into the same situation almost, new OC with a new QB. You're going to
see the same growing pains we did, just hope your O-line is better.@UteanymousWe played more than 2 ranked teams, it doesn't
matter what they were when you played them.I understand Utah's
season was bad last year, but BYU was ranked when they played us and lost.
It's easy to sit here and say BYU had a better season, but they didn't
its equally as bad as Utah, given their schedule. If it the same outcome would
to happen this year then you have a point, but with WAC the majority of the
schedule and having a better record than Utah last year floats your boat.. then
@ute4everLet's be honest, IF utah goes to a bowl game next year
it won't be anything better than what BYU will go to. We already know utah
will not be going to any bcs bowls, or one of the 2-3 bowls with pac12
affiliation that's maybe a little better than the one BYU will be in.
Despite all of the rhetoric about this utah "fans" are not really in
much better of a position when it comes to those bowls because their odds of
winning enough games to qualify for one of them is extremely slim.There's a pretty good chance utah may never get to a bcs caliber bowl
ever again and that isn't just me trying to be provocative. I do think they
will some day but honestly it might be a long time and it will never be with
anything resembling regularity. From a fans perspective going to SF
or SD for a bowl game is definately superior to going to el paso.
CougFanin TX...Thanks for the laugh. Nice job trying to
"compare" schedules in such a very selective manner. And you didn't
even get that right. Stanford is better than Texas. Oregon is better than Notre
Dame. Arizona is better than Nevada.Nice try though.How
bout this instead?UVA>WazzuTexas
Finally it looks like BYU has put together a schedule comparable to a PAC12
schedule. We'll see how their record looks at the end of the season with a
challenging, BCS type schedule. Gone are the days of the gimmie wins, so BYU
will actually have to play well against good teams to win. The sad
part of BYU's schedule is the fact that we all KNOW where BYU will be
playing in a bowl next year. They won't go undefeated. They should get 6
wins. So that leaves them out of a BCS game but in a bowl game....which has
already been decided. That is one of the good things about being in a BCS
league...you don't have to be undefeated to play in a BCS game.
There's always hope, albeit a sliver of hope.
"I say again. If you do better than 1-4 against Texas, Boise, notre dame,
Utah, and Wisconsin I will sing the byu fight song and post it on YouTube. If
you don't do better than 1-4, and in all honesty if you can't do at
least 3-2 against those schools you once again have proven to be a nobody in
college football. Just a gimme game for big name schools who actually know how I
have bcs success. Mark that down."Chris B - Will you
really do it if BYU goes 2-3 in that stretch? I'm not expecting BYU to
compete for a BCS bowl or anything but,1. Texas is not Texas of
old2. Boise barely won in Boise; game is in Provo3. ND beat Riley
Nelson by 34. Utah has owned it as of late but, given where the teams tend
to finish I don't see any reason Utah comes in a big favoriteOh, and to all of you: GO ROCKETS
Finally, a good schedule for the boys in blue.Now go win a few games
against good competition.
965"Hopefully this schedule will humble you a little
bit."BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012; Utah only played
TWO.Who really needs to be "humbled" here?The
team that actually finished with the better overall season, but was disappointed
that they didn't do even better?orThe team that
finished with the poorer overall season, but still wants to pretend that they
were better?One game does not a season make.
965, You posted "Hopefully this schedule will humble you a
little bit." I haven't heard any thing that resembles pride
or arrogance in any of the comments or in the article. I hear/read excitement,
enthusiasm and even some realistic worry from most BYU posters and several Utah
fans have been positive.I think your own post exposes who you really
are and what you really feel. You're trying to have it both ways but
it's not working.
2BTwo words: Reading ComprehensionTrueBlue didn't
make a team-by-team comparison at all; in fact, he gave several examples of why
a straight team by team comparison could be completely invalid.
Aug. 31 at Virginia = Toss up, but I will be nice. WSept. 7 Texas =
LSept. 14 ByeSept. 21 Utah = L (I'm not trying to
be biased, yes I'm a Ute fan I'm going with history here, 3 in a row 8
of 11...)Sept. 27 Middle Tennessee State = WOct. 4 at
Utah State = WOct. 12 Georgia Tech = Not sure, toss up really.Oct. 19 at Houston = Lost their coach, toss up.Oct. 26 Boise
State = LNov. 2 ByeNov. 9 at Wisconsin = LNov. 16 Idaho State = WNov. 23 at Notre Dame = LNov.
30 at Nevada = WI'm being pretty nice, its different playing
good teams every week. Hopefully this schedule will humble you a little bit. It
isn't tougher than Utah's schedule either...
@ EastcoastcougI would call it a tie, but who's counting? I
have a feeling that many of the negative comments come from the same
individual(s), using 3 different screen names. Oh well, we can't control
others, only support our teams. I like both Utah and BYU's schedules; like
others have said though; it's time to do something with those
schedules/opportunities, like win some games. It's nice to have civil
dialogue for a change. I will remember your screen name and we will talk in the
future. Thanks for the response; and take care Guy!
@Trueblue..."Both BYU and Utah have very good schedules for next season, but
team by team comparisons are meaningless because there's absolutely no way
of knowing which teams will be better and which teams will be worse in
2013."Yet in your post right before you write this paragraph you
go through and compare the two schedules.... LOL typical cougie fan
@Spokane Ute,Sure, we're going to get the same group of
immature people on both sides. But take a look at the articles on Utah vs. the
articles on BYU over time and you will see more BYU-haters on the BYU articles
than Utah-haters on the Utah stories. I would love to see more Utes show up on
their blogs and be FOR their team. The blog count is so low for Utah articles.
There should be more sheer numbers given the size of the U and its alums.I personally think 'hating' another school or group of people
is silly and sad (teasing is another thing) and both schools represent the state
I grew up in, so I like to see them BOTH succeed. That they are going in
different directions (not in the same conference) is a plus in my POV.
Replacing hawaii with nevada is an upgrade, I like that. Overall the schedule is
very good, excellent opponents all through the schedule. Timely bye weeks, nice
home and away mix, I like having the home schedule front loaded, better weather
around here in Sept/Oct than in November, I'd rather watch the games on tv
in November than sit in the cold stadium, I must be getting old.Now
they just need to improve their performance. No predictions from me other than
they will be bowl eligible as usual so I'll more than likely spend some
time in SF in December which will be fun, one of my favorite cities to visit.
I like everything about it, now go get some wins.
motorbikeYou're a little too fixated on Sagarin rankings
without considering the broader picture in your comparisons.How do
you rate ASU, a team that was unranked, over #14/#18 Boise State?#20/#19
OSU did finish in the Top 25, but Wisconsin won the B1G and played in the Rose
Bowl.Who cares whether Idaho State 225 < 179 Weber State, they're
both gimme games?You chose to compare Ga Tech to UCLA, but why not to USC,
whom Ga Tech stomped in the Sun Bowl?Texas could easily be better than
Stanford next season.Notre Dame could easily be better than Oregon.Not to mention, you didn't account for home/road differences in the
schedules.BYU's 12 opponents have a combined record of 88-64.
Utah's opponents 90-64.Of course, BYU improves Utah's schedule,
while Utah drags down BYU's schedule.Bottom line: Both BYU and Utah have very good schedules for next season, but team by team
comparisons are meaningless because there's absolutely no way of knowing
which teams will be better and which teams will be worse in 2013.
Motorbike: Did you make up that quote on your own? very original..Great
Schedule for BYU minus Idaho State...
Hawaii will miss out on its biggest stadium revenue of the season, next to the
USC game. They really took a hit from their new conference..
Theirs no reason we cant be non defeated and number 1 on that schedule. We have
Kyle Van coming back and a #1QB coming in. Should be awesome like 1984
@motorbike - nice job trying to "spin" to schedule comparison. The
problem is you are trying to compare next years schedule with last years results
by using sagarin. Try adding a little of your own insight and you'll have
a more accurate comparison. With all the players and coaches moving on, 2013
will be completely different than 2012.My prediction is that
Stanford will be the toughest team U play and Texas will be the toughest team we
play.With the coaching change, Oregon is probably not a Top 10 team
next year. USC lost a lot of players. Notre Dame will be stronger
on offense, but weaker on defense. Boise State will be improved with more
experience. Come on . . . do U really think that ASU could beat Boise next
Y Dad/Y Grad-definitely the best post of the day. Thanks!
@ eastcoastcougIt goes both ways; don't kid your self. Look on
any Utah thread and there's the same cast of characters (haters) taking
shots at Utah. Kinda sad really; both ways. As far as the article goes,
that's a good schedule. Like I said, now it's time for both our
schools to go out and win; the opportunity for a great season is there.
That's a good schedule. Pretty cool that Holmoe could put it together. I
like how CougfaninTexas immediately compares it to Utah's. Paranoid, envy,
jealsous? Maybe a little of all three. I really don't know what one has to
do with the other? Any how, both teams play a good schedule; now it's time
to go out and beat some teams. Per the article "If the Cougars
are bowl-eligible in 2013, they will play in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San
Francisco." That's the bummer of being an independent. Whether you go
6-6 or 10-2; the end result is the same.
The past two years, we read over and again from anti-Y folks that the BYU
schedule stunk in November, which made the Cougars a suspect team.Now with a very decent schedule (not counting Idaho State), the Cougars will
stink again, we read, because the schedule is too difficult. They again are a
suspect team.So, we can expect the lesson learned from this is that
the anti-BYU folks would complain over anything BYU does.I live in a
state where Iowa and Iowa State are the biggest of rivals. Nowhere do I see the
nastiness of their fans toward each other that I read from the anti-BYU folks.
The "antis'" lives must be very sterile such their only excitement
seems to come from trashing BYU.This seems to be a small but
representative example of how society as a whole is operating today.
Nice to see 5 games east of the Mississippi. It will be great to see BYU in the
news in those markets leading up to the games. Wins there would be even better.
Keep scheduling BYU in the East!!btw - One thing you'll find
with people and programs that are truly great: they don't make much notice
of anyone who is not a real threat. By the daily presence of so many Ute fans
(early) on BYU blogs, Utah has clearly not "arrived". I've never
understood the obsession with BYU by the Utes. Can someone explain this?
Chris B: You're hilarious. Unfortunately, as a BYU alum, I don't
expect we will get to watch your YouTube rendition of Rise and Shout. I'm
afraid I have to agree with you on the prospects of BYU's ability to win
enough games to be bowl eligible.
Tom Holmoe has delivered. He promised a quality schedule. He said
there would be changes to restore the BYU offense after an embarrassing, dismal
year. Check and check. Based on strength of schedule, if BYU is 6-6
and bowl eligible at the end of next season it will be a success.Predictions of double digit wins are not credible unless and until the Cougs
can actually defeat a top team. They face several next year so the opportunities
Smart job scheduling for Holmoe and BYU. Virginia on the road is
winnable. Texas at home in week two when bodies are fresh and motivation is high
means a legit chance for BYU. If 2-0 by then, BYU gets a bye week to prepare for
Utah (much needed). The Cougars are due for a win in the rivalry, and if that
plays out, then they have Middle Tennessee State at home and USU minus Gary
Anderson on the road. Not that I predict it, but 5-0 is imaginable for a BYU fan
here. From there momentum can kick in. GT can present problems with their option
but BYU is usually disciplined defensively for such attacks. Houston could be
tough but if BYU has their act together with their Anae offense by week 7, I
give them that game. Boise State at home will be tough, but Boise was down last
year (worst team they have had in 10 years). If they don't bounce back at
get QB play, BYU wins there. 8-0 would be a BYU dream. Wisconsin is next after
another bye (smart). Then comes Idaho State, Notre Dame and Nevada. Could be
Re: Chris BIf our team is a nobody what does that make your team?
Seriously you went 5-7 last year! Stop bragging. and no, I'm not bragging
on behalf of BYU either. Neither team earned bragging rights last year.That said, both teams have some great players. Let's hope the best for
both teams this next year.
We will see now if BYU will have trash to talk against Utah when they lose to
the Utes AGAIN and don't have an easier schedule to be bowl eligible. Even with this schedule, BYU might six wins because USU will fade
without Gary Anderson, Middle Tennessee State is on the schedule as is Idaho
USU will get owned, yet again by the Cougs in 2013. BYU will finish 10-3 next
year at the worst, book it.
This is a great schedule. Tom Holmoe's hard work really paid off.Notice how the whiners' complaints conveniently fall into one of two
categories: if the the opponent is too weak BYU is criticized for scheduling a
cupcake; if the opponent is a top tier school with a strong program, they
project a loss. You can't beat good teams unless you play good teams. So
stop complaining and enjoy the football.
For the first time in my life, I will cheer for BYU when they play Wisconsin.
Other than that, it looks like a 4 or 5 win season. The Y will be so beat up by
the end of the season that they might have trouble with the give me game against
CougFaninTXWow ... that was a very biased way to compare schedule
strength. How about we reign you in a bit and simply line up the final sagarin
ratings from best to worst of both teams opponents for next year. It's the
most accurate reading we have on things until the games are actually played.
There is absolutely no bias in this, just straight best to worst sagarin ranking
of each Utah and BYU opponent next football season from best to worst, side by
side, straight on down:Notre Dame 5 < 2 OregonTexas 16
< 9 StanfordWisconsin 23 < 15 Oregon StateBoise St 41 <
28 Arizona State Georgia Tech 46 < 31 UCLANevada 80 < 33
USCMiddle Tennessee 85 < 44 ArizonaVirginia 87 > 104
Washington StateHouston 108 > 156 ColoradoIdaho State 225 <
179 Weber StateUSU 19 = 19 USUUmmmm yeah ... that ought to
clear that up. You're welcome.
Go Big Blue!!!Wishful thinking - 1-1 at best, but more than likely
your favorite teams will go 0-2 against BYU.If the Aggies
couldn't put more than 3 points on the board with Kerwyn Williams,
they're going to have a difficult time mounting much of an offense without
As both a Longhorn and an Aggie I love this schedule. What a great opportunity
to beat the Y twice in one season! David Ash and Chuckie Keeton will be two of
the best qbs the Cougars will face next season.
Ranked Teams from 2012 on BYU/Utah 2013 SchedulesUtah - at #2
Oregon, #7 Stanford, #16 Utah State, #20 Oregon StateBYU - at #4 Notre
Dame, at #16 Utah State, #18 Boise State, #19 Texas - BYU also includes B1G
champ at WisconsinWhen was the last time both BYU and Utah played at
least four ranked teams in the same season?Regardless, very tough
schedules for both teams.
Great schedule. I would not be sad to only be 7-5. But, I think we win the
following:For sure: Virginia, Middle Tenn. St., Georgia Tech, Houston,
Idaho State, and Nevada= 6 wins. Tough to split: Texas, Utah State,
Boise State, Utah= 2 wins, 2 losses (I suspect we'll be 3-1 here)Likely to lose: Wisconsin, Notre Dame= 2 loses. Overall: 8-4 and a minor bowl
I, for one, think it is a great schedule. I will be anxiously following the
season and we'll see how the results are in November 2013. Not certain
about future schedules. 2014 shows 9 games -including UNLV, Middle Tennessee,
Houston (of the big least - if the conference exists), Souther Mississippi, Utah
State and then some top opponents. Leaving 3 games yet to schedule in 20
months.... short time for scheduling football opponents! Anyway - good luck in
11 of your 12 games next year.
Y Grad / Y Dad"You forgot to clean your oven."Touché my friend ... well played. :)
SLC BYU FanThere's no reason for BYU fans to be disappointed
with scheduling Idaho State; practically every Top 25 team has at least D1-AA
patsy on their schedule. Idaho State will give BYU a nice break between Notre
Dame and Wisconsin.
What a great schedule. Suddenly all the naysayers have disappeared. For an
Indy to put together a schedule that is comparable in every way to an AQ
schedule is very impressive. For those who say it is not comparable, I ask you
to draw your own comparisons from the comparison below.Virginia
> Washington StTexas = Stanford Middle Tennessee < Arizona
StGeorge Tech > USCUtah State = Utah StateHouston >
ColoradoBoise State > Oregon StateWisconsin > UCLAIdaho State = Weber StateNotre Dame = OregonNevada = ArizonaThere's no way that BYU comes out with double digit wins, but
I'm willing to bet we'll be bowling and Utah will be home for the
holidays again.Holmoe's comment about a scheduling alignment
with a conference was pretty interesting. It has to be with either the MWC or
Big12. I would not mind seeing 5 games with either conference. It sounds like
Boise State and Utah State are long term. It sounds like Notre Dame has no
intention to cancel any of their 6 games with BYU. It sounds like Hawaii
won't happen. And it sounds like more games against Texas.
Utah fans having nothing about which to talk. Remember UNLV (27 - 0
for the Rebels), Utah State (Utah lost in over-time in Logan) and Colorado (kept
Utah from playing in the inagural PAC 12 Championship game as Utah lost to the
absolute worst road team in America in SLC)? What about going to the Rose Bowl?
That's a laugher for sure. And now they're bagging on
BYU and whatever bowl game they might play, whereas Utah hasn't won a total
of 10 PAC 12 conference games yet. They need a 3RD YEAR to accomplish that, and
there's no guarantee they will do it in 3 instead of four.Plus,
which two BCS bowls did you win again? I think the country has forgotten.And yes, BYU won their bowl game at the conclusion of last season, one
of two who did from the State of Utah, the other being Utah State. Oh,
that's right, Ute partisans, you went "bowling" at Orchard Lanes.
motorbikeCottonwood Heights, UT"I smell some humble pie
baking in the oven."That's what spilled over from the end
of Utah's last season. You forgot to clean your oven.
Don't predict anything Sambone. You and your team are in no position to
predict anything for the 2013 season.
Christina... against Texas, Boise, notre dame, and Wisconsin, Utah wouldn't
win a game. Not one!!!!!This is a very tough BYU schedule, but
I'm feeling that BYU will make some big upsets, in a break-through year,
and insure that lovely but mouthy Christina does not darken the door of BYU
articles for a year. Now that will be sweet silence.
I hope most Cougar fans would much rather see a schedule like this than a MWC
schedule and the chance at a better bowl game. As far as I'm concerned the
Cougars have 6 or so games that are more exciting than any Las Vegas Bowl.Cougar fans should gladly give up a chance at a good bowl game and replace it
with a regular season packed with talented teams. It's a difficult regular
season and terrible bowl game much better than a cupcake regular season and a
marginal bowl game?
Home and home with Middle Tennessee State.Can't wait until 2014 when
BYU plays at Middle Tennessee STate.
Not a bad schedule at all. Now lets see if the cougs can deliver one of those
top 25 finishes their fans like to brag about while playing a real schedule. I
smell some humble pie baking in the oven.
This is similar to an SEC or PAC 12 schedule.
BYU is going to surprise some people this year. This schedule is smarter and
tougher than BYU has had for a long time, but I think the Cougars will be up for
You guys have had great success against good teams the past few years like
Texas, Tucson, Utah, Boise, notre dame, Florida state. So Utah,
Boise, notre dame, Texas, Wisconsin might as well be forfeits. I said last year
if you beat Utah or went better than 1-3 against notre dame, Boise, Oregon
state, and Utah state I wouldn't post all yearWhat happened?
You lost to Utah and went 1-3 against those othersI say again. If
you do better than 1-4 against Texas, Boise, notre dame, Utah, and Wisconsin I
will sing the byu fight song and post it on YouTube. If you don't do
better than 1-4, and in all honesty if you can't do at least 3-2 against
those schools you once again have proven to be a nobody in college football.
Just a gimme game for big name schools who actually know how I have bcs success.
Mark that down.
I bet the Cougars finish 7-5 or 6-6 next season.
Like many fans I'm sure, I'm disappointed with the addition of Idaho
State, and it shouldn't count in any way shape or for with respects to bowl
eligiability. Even worse than the other in-gem-state school Idaho. Not the way
to keep the home fans happy, not to mention Southern Mississippi wants out of
the 2014-15 home & home deal...which could result in more FCS cupcakes
rotating into Provo for paydays.But this all could come to an end
since all bets are BYU will be rejoining the MWC in time for the 2016 season as
a completely new TV deal kicks in, or if the real miricle for the Cougars comes
through would be for the Big 12 to add Florida State to defect from the ACC, and
BYU is invited to even the number. With Utah State securely in a strengthened
MWC, word is there will be less opposition from the BYU Board of Trustees on
such a move by BYU if it opens up this time, and a 12 team league can work
around the "no Sunday play" rule easier than 10 teams. GO COUGARS!!!
2 weeks to prepare for Utah still won't be enough.
6 and 6, and that's being generous. I think they will win no less than 4
and won't be going to a bowl game.
Looking forward to it. Go Cougars!
Couldn't ask for a better schedule if you're a BYU fan. Tough,
challenging games throughout the season with a good mix of home and away. We
even have a Jimmer-like Glens Falls tribute to KVN in his home town to end the
season.Well Done Tom!
Looks like a good schedule to me. If they manage to go 6-6 with this they
deserve to go to a bowl game. On that note; has BYU made a deal
with bowl yet for this year?
In year 3 of independence this is the caliber of schedule fans were promised.
Congrats to Tom Holmoe and company for delivering! This is great!