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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 29 2013 12:43 a.m. MST

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Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Let's make this exchange.
We've agreed as a nation what our annual legal influx will be. It stands at about one million green cards a year.
Whatever this amnesty turns out to be...seven million...eight...eleven...whatever the number is, will result in a moratorium of new immigrants for that many years. Amnesty for eight million = an eight year moratorium of new immigrants.
Why should we heap that many more immigrants on top of the status quo? Then watch the activists holler.

raybies
Layton, UT

Mike Lee is wrong to back out for the reasons he gave. By providing legal means for illegals already in this country, we can decriminalize many decent hard-working families who have already sacrificed to be a part of what we cherish in this country. His protectionist attitude is precisely why republicans continue to be perceived as anti-immigration, when many of us want to provide legal means to draw out the illegalities. If we don't offer a path that encourages those already here to come forward and do things according to the law, we're only embracing the criminal behaviors we pretend to condemn by not offering that path.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

It's good to see the nation rallying around the Obama immigration reforms, It will be interesting to see if the Tea Party yahoos in the House sabotage the reforms.

If they do, Hillary will be able to count on another 70% advantage among Hispanic and Asian voters on her way to the White House!

prelax
Murray, UT

Once passed, the enforcement part will be set aside, and amnesty will be given for the eighth time. Amnesty just puts off enforcement. Do you really think Obama will enforce any laws passed, when he has ignored them in the past?

Of those here illegally, most will lose their jobs in the first year or two. They will require a fair wage and benefits. As a new wave of people here illegally, and those who never applied, take their jobs, we dump several million onto our welfare rolls and Obamacare. They are working, because they are cheap labor.

Last week the President of Mexico announced a new program for the 7.5 million poor there.

There is no reason to keep families together, Obamas waiver January first of this year covers immediate family.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

I've read the new bill.

Its LONG on providing employers a way out of hiring legal American citizens, and SHORT on providing substantive enforcement. The enforcement provisions of the "new" law aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Kudos to Sen. Lee for abandoning it. The "new" bill actually will put illegal trespassers BEFORE legal citizens because it allows very hazy reporting by employers in regards to hiring practices.

"liberal larry" - I really couldn't care less whether Hillary or my neighbors cat gets elected in 2016. What I do want though is immigration laws ENFORCED.

Adhering to the laws of the land really isn't a partisan issue.

flint
Cortez, CO

We don't need "Immigration Reform" which really means amnesty. We need enforcement of our laws which are in place to protect our border against this criminal invasion. There are really 30 million illegal aliens in the US and every one who gets legalized had many more relatives in Mexico just waiting to come next. There is no end to amnesty until we are as poor as Mexico from providing free health, education and retirement to them.

prelax
Murray, UT

raybies

We already have a path to citizenship. It's called legal immigration, over a million are allowed each year. And if they are looking for jobs, there were 3.3 million work visas given out each year.

Decent people come here legally. They are being abused by the government and business. Depressed wages, higher taxes, the American citizen is being used.

Give it to the students on waivers, and the immediate family members that are on waivers.

Prove enforcement to America by deporting the rest. Then, and only then, work out a path to citizenship for the estimated 3 million students and family members.

Immigration reform is the big lie. The open border business folks are rich and powerful. They are destroying our middle class and replacing it with cheap surplus labor.

SLars
Provo, UT

Why will the house Republicans give Obama 11 million (+relatives) new voters? Hispanic's have never voted Republican. Instead the Republicans should tackle getting America's 20+ million back to work full time, and gain almost double the votes.

Business, government, Churches, law enforcement. Who can trust them after this ruse? It's a labor war that will tear this country apart, as Americans are being ignored over foreign born workers.

You don't reward years of dishonesty.

I-am-I
South Jordan, UT

@raybies. granting amnesty to illegal immigrants also encourages (probably more so because the benefits are greater and risk is less) than does Mike Lee's theory.

bawanaboy
slc, UT

It's interesting that the so-called "Progressives", who claim that they are all for social justice, impartiality, and fair treatment for all, are proponents of preferrential treatment of illegal immigrants- seems a bit hypocritical. How fair is it to those seeking to come here legally? What kind of preferrential treatment are they receiving? Also, how fair is it that a disproportionate number of immigrants (many of which are illegal immigrants) are being allowed to come here from south of the border (and allowed to stay), relative to the number of people going through the legal channels to come here from all other countries- including many who are living in far worse conditions than those who live south of the border. Since the U.S. cannot house the entire world, what would be a fair percentage, or a fair number of immigrants to allow to come here from every country per year?

LGJHERE
LOS ANGELES/USA, CA

A new worldwide book/ebook by ex-Salt Laker Lance Johnson (East High, UofU) explains the role, struggles, and contributions of immigrants and minorities: "What Foreigners Need To Know About America From A To Z: How to understand crazy American culture, people, government, business, language and more." Endorsed by ambassadors, educators, and editors, it paints a revealing picture of America on numerous subjects to help those who will benefit from a better understanding. Perhaps intelligent immigration reform, White House-Congress cooperation, concerned citizens and books like this can extend a helping hand to those in need.
Here's a closing quote from the book's Intro: "With all of our cultural differences though, you'll be surprised to learn how much our countries—and we as human beings—have in common on this little third rock from the sun. After all, the song played at our Disneyland parks around the world is 'It's A Small World After All.' Peace."

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Meanwhile, Senator Mike "Shortsale" Lee won't sign this eminently reasonable measure. He won't be satisfied until the Sheriff gets his trucks loaded up with eeleegals and dumps them all over the border--11 million of them, mostly women and children who clean toilets and wait tables for a living. Hey Mike, who's going to clean up after you?

Speak2Truth
Santa Rosa, CA

The US has no obligation to allow even one foreign person to immigrate. A wise nation only allows immigration of those who have needed skills and who are financially self supporting.

The Democrat strategy in forcing a flood of illegal foreigners into this nation is to guarantee they can outvote the Americans. Obama has forcefully stopped States from defending their own borders against this invasion - while the Constitution requires him to repel said invasion with whatever force is necessary.

And that's how the US was conquered by foreign invasion - with a lot of help from the inside. The foreigners, naturally, will vote for their accomplices.

SLars
Provo, UT

What's wrong with deporting people who come here illegally?

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Rubio and the other Republican senators are walking into a demo. trap on this issue.

If "comprehensive immigration reform" passes, obviously Obama and the demos. will take FULL credit for passing it. Their helpers in the lamestream media will make sure of it.
Within a year, the demos. will give some excuse as to why they have stopped the enforcement component. Then we're right back to where we are now. As Republicans press for enforcement, they will be portrayed as the mean uncaring ones.
There's nothing stopping Obama from enforcing the law now. Why doesn't he?

raybies
Layton, UT

The republicans had their chance to fix immigration during George W's reign of the ridiculous. The CONSERVATIVES shot down the McCain sponsored bill, claiming the evils of amnesty and such.

While I am conservative, I deeply disagree with the direction the republicans have taken on this issue... and have since the minutemen decided to treat every hispanic family just trying to make a living like an islamic terrorist.

Their fear-based rhetoric has come due. Romney lost the election, even though he has ancestors from Mexico, because of the scare-based nonsense that the Republicans initially engaged in, and the dem's simply took advantage of...

It's time to do the right thing, regardless of who gets credit. Give our Hispanic brothers living among us and working productively a path to citizenship that doesn't treat them like unwanted criminals.

AmberDru
Xenia, OH

Why do none of the discussions on "immigration reform" ever mention the negative effects on those of us in the bottom 50%?
None of the immigration proposals ever tell us how their new and improved immigration laws are going to stop future illegal immigration (we did illegal alien amnesty in 1986- gave us millions more illegals), or why we should believe new laws will be enforced when the old laws aren't. ...........The immigration cowards, also never say what they think the numbers should be......The U.S. already admits over 1.1 million legal immigrants every year- more than all other nations combined! We also admit more refugees than all other nations. .So, what do they propose the cap should be? .... And what will they do to stop future illegal immigration? About 50% of illegals are visa overstays. Only internal enforcent and manditory E-Verify will curb this, not border security. Even so the President has shown that the laws do not have to be enforced. An illegal alien can now have a work permit and have their many felonies waived! It is not believable any new laws will be enforced either.

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