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Published: Monday, Jan. 28 2013 6:30 p.m. MST

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Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@BlueCoug

As far as "better" football program, you have absolutely no evidence from the past two seasons that Utah has a better overall football program than BYU. Head-to-head doesn't prove anything if you have worse overall seasons.

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Last 2 seasons...

vs. BCS Teams:
Utah 9-11 (1-4 against final ranked teams)
BYU 4-6 (1-5 against final ranked teams)

vs. Other Teams:
Utah 4-1
BYU 14-2

Pretty even, the difference head to head Utah owns BYU: 2-0 (8 of last 11). Ask the NFL who has the better players.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Christy B

Sorry to disappoint you, but there aren't any trophies awarded for playing a tougher SOS.

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True, but I rather go 8-5 playing in the PAC-12 then go 10-3 playing a WAC-lite schedule. I think TCU fans will agree:

2011 TCU SOS #82 finished #14 11-2

2012 TCU SOS #16 finished 7-6

Don't worry one day BYU fans will understand what playing a "real" schedule feels like.

Just Smiling
BOUNTIFUL, UT

WOW!!!! Jabari Parker and now Gaius Vaenuku...It looks like Campus Institute of Religion Program - 2 BYU- 0. Looks like LDS athletes are seeing you can have your cake and eat it too! Play for a PAC-12 team, beat BYU consistently and have a powerful religious influence all in the same bite. No wonder there are 23 rm's on the U football team. Keep on coming and the U will give you the whole experience along with diversity. Wow- that would prepare you even more for a missionary experience!!!!

Wireless Lawyer
Lehi, UT

Best wishes to this young man. He appears level headed and well-grounded. I hope he finds success on and off the field.

Reading the comments about the difference between the Y and the U is always interesting, if not always enlightening. Having attended both schools, there clearly are some differences, but I enjoyed my experience at both. I find most of the time folks find what they're looking for wherever they go. If they're looking for problems they find them, looking for controversy they find it, looking for happinesss they find that as well.

I had no trouble finding the good on both campuses. There was plenty of it in Provo and on the hill.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

"I rather go 8-5 playing in the PAC-12 then go 10-3 playing a WAC-lite schedule."

And I suppose you'd rather play a tougher schedule and stay home for the holidays than go bowling.

LOL!

It's laughable that you throw records against ranked teams out there as a badge of honor, yet completely ignore the fact that of the two teams, BYU was the only team to actually finish in the Top 25 in 2011 and was the only team to actually beat a ranked team in 2012.

2011 BYU #25/#26/#34 > Utah unranked #39 (in Sagarin)
2012 BYU unranked/#26 bowl winner > Utah unranked/#61 bowl no show

Utah's SOS and record are already calculated into the final rankings, so as much as you desperately want to spin the results because the rankings don't support your own biased opinion, no double-dipping allowed.

What's the point of bringing TCU into the discussion? The exact same formula was used for the Horned Frogs.

Bottom line: BYU's record against BYU's schedule was more impressive than Utah's record against Utah's schedule in both 2011 and 2012.

That's just the way it is. Live with it!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@mussingaround

Let me explain:

TCU with a #82 SOS finished #14 in the MWC.... in Big 12 they went 7-6 with a much tougher SOS.

Utah went 33-6 in the last three years in the MWC... in the PAC-12 we are 13-12.

Now given the fact that both TCU and Utah:

A) OWN BYU on the field
B) Have better talent according to the NFL draft

What makes you think BYU with a "real" schedule would do any better?

Congrats on the accomplishments, but BYU isn't even in the same league playing a WAC-lite schedule.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

Uteology

No explanation necessary; we all understand how records and SOS are used in calculating final rankings.

Despite your frantic spamming of irrelevant "facts", BYU finished ahead of Utah in the final rankings in 5 of the last 8 years.

Instead of basing the success of your entire season on one game, maybe you should try beating a conference opponent with a winning record.

btw, Utah was 0-1 against the WAC last season. You're lucky you didn't play a WAC-lite schedule in 2012 - at 2-2, with losses to Utah State and San Jose State, you wouldn't have fared much better than you did in the PAC 12.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Uteanymous

Have you ever noticed that if you, Duckhunter, and others find comments I make about BYU sports to be unfavorable to you, then I get personal criticism in return. Suddenly I live in a "crimson bubble, I am jealous, and I have indignant meltdowns" ect...

My comments are NEVER riddled with attacks. If you can't stand differing opinions and can't disagree respectfully, then maybe the labels given me are more suitable to the pot calling the kettle black.

To see only Utah fans as hypocritical is justified inductive reasoning. It's not healthy and even if you don't respect me, I will still try and warn you that hate is a cancer that eats away at your soul.

Both fan bases have a small percentage of those walking the extreme edge of dogmaticism. Let's decrease those odds within ourselves eh? For every Ute fan predicting Rose Bowls, there are Cougar fans thinking Cosmo at QB would have had your defense undefeated.

You can 'Rise and Shout' and still rise above it as well. Okay that was goofy.

bdckpakccd
Plano, TX

J-TX---I never said anything about Allen. They are a great team and have a beautiful new stadium. Our game against you this season was one of the best I've seen in a long time. Sooooo exciting and the best team did win, albeit by one point. Please understand I was quoting Plano's record over the last 50 years. They're not ALWAYS good, but usually. I only say this because every other college in the country pays attention to our program because of that record----except BYU. I only know about recruiters in Plano because of my involvement with the program. I would hazard a guess that they aren't anymore diligent in Allen than they are in Plano, but I can't say for certain.

And bringing Allen into the discussion adds to the point---our district is overflowing with good teams. And that's only ONE district. The state of Texas is gushing with them. And yet BYU doesn't actively cultivate relationships in Texas. WHY NOT??? Every other team does!

And congrats to Allen's State Championship this year!

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@bdckpakccd from Plano Texas

Regarding Texas recruiting and BYU?
That is all going to change with Anae in charge.
He knows Texas well.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

He's in for a rude awakening with the U's Professors and the Utah fans.
He'll need the sanctuary which the Institute will provide to him.

Utah is the only school in the Nation which does not honor it's founder with either a plaque or a statue. Why?

reasonableUTE
Provo, UT

ya'll can throw around SOS and sagarin rankings all you want... The only real way to measure who is better is by competing against each other on the field. We all know how that has turned out recently. BYU fans... It is quite clear that Utah is a better football team than BYU.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

gdog3finally

"Have you ever noticed that if you, Duckhunter, and others find comments I make about BYU sports to be unfavorable to you, then I get personal criticism in return."

Not that I don't sometimes characterize some comments as "biased", but where in my response to your comments did I criticize you personally?

BYU was forced to play some pretty weak WAC teams in order to fill their schedule on short notice, but Utah has also played a bunch of pretty weak teams during the last two seasons.

More carefully scrutinizing the BYU and Utah schedules from 2012 shows that BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams; Utah only TWO. BYU played FIVE patsies, but Utah played FOUR.

The argument that Utah's worse 5-7 record is mainly a product of Utah playing a MUCH tougher schedule simply isn't true. Sure, you can argue that Utah's average SOS is a little tougher than BYU's, but, which team has the better chance of winning two games, the team that plays a Top 25 and a Bottom 25 opponent, or the team that plays two teams ranked somewhere in the middle?

Utah 2012 simply wasn't as good as BYU overall.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

unreasonableUte

"ya'll can throw around SOS and sagarin rankings all you want... The only real way to measure who is better is by competing against each other on the field."

The problem with your pronouncement is Utah fans don't even believe it, except when the circumstances conveniently favor Utah.

Here's proof. Answer the following question honestly:

Which of the following is true?

1. Texas A&M was better than National Champion Alabama in 2012.
2. Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2011.
3. UNLV(2-10) was better than Utah(9-4) in 2007.
4. New Mexico(6-7) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2006.
5. SDSU(5-7) was better than Utah(7-5) in 2005.
6. Texas A&M(4-8) was better than Utah(10-2) in 2003.
7. BYU(2-5) was better than Conference Champion Utah(6-2) in 1942.

The evidence is overwhelming and is reflected in the polls and in the national rankings that one single head-to-head game during an entire season doesn't prove which team is better.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

FAX man

You're using way too much logic. Just let them believe in their own little fantasy. It's the only thing they have to cling to since becoming a "big boy".

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Just the Fiction

On that day, the team that won was better. Were they better at the end of the season? Maybe, maybe not, but we will never know unless they play each other again. It's really a simple concept/fact; unless you are trying to defend a loss.

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

Spokane Ute

"On that day, the team that won was better."

Or luckier!

"Were they better at the end of the season?"

I'll let you answer your own question, by answering the question posed by Just the FAX.

Which of the following is true?

1. Texas A&M was better than National Champion Alabama in 2012.
2. Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2011.
3. UNLV(2-10) was better than Utah(9-4) in 2007.
4. New Mexico(6-7) was better than Utah(8-5) in 2006.
5. SDSU(5-7) was better than Utah(7-5) in 2005.
6. Texas A&M(4-8) was better than Utah(10-2) in 2003.
7. BYU(2-5) was better than Conference Champion Utah(6-2) in 1942.

If you can truthfully answer that all 7 examples are true, without any qualifiers, then I'll buy your argument that the results of one game definitively proves which team is better.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gdog

Please show evidence of this "personal criticism" you have received from me? Is it that I have pointed out your, and most of the other utah "fans" around here, hypocrisy?

I like having you post, I like having christina b post, I like having naval lint, howie s, stg, and all of the other utah "fans" around here post. You see for me this is fun and entertainment and that is the difference between us. You take this stuff seriously and get offended and indignant when anyone says anything less than delusionally positive about utah. I actually enjoy it when you guys say things about BYU because it is fun to expose you and mock you for saying it and in the end I don't care at all what you guys actually think about BYU, it's just fun for me to respond.

And that is the difference, I don't care what you think, you get offended by what we think and take it as a personal insult. And to me that shows the difference between the 2 fanbases, if you are confident in the accomplishments of your school it doesn't matter what someone else says.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@messyguy

Right off the bat, Texas A&M was better then Bama. They beat them at there house, late in the season. So I guess when BYU beat Utah State it was "Lucky". On that day, the team that won was better: Fact! Who was better at the end of the season? Opinion, subjective. You may want to google those words, since this is a tough concept for you and many other Cougs to grasp. I guess anything but give the other team credit; or admit defeat. What a sad and pathetic concept.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

In my opinion, Utah was better than Arizona, UCLA and Utah State. In fact they were not, they lost to all three and I give those teams credit. BYU fan thinks BYU was better than Utah, Boise State, Notre Dame and SJSU. In fact, they were not, they lost to all of those teams. There in lies the difference, I can man up and admit defeat and credit my opponent when I lose. BYU fan can only spin the truth and think they were better. What an awesome concept for BYU fan. They win, even when they lose. Nice!

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