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Published: Monday, Jan. 28 2013 6:30 p.m. MST

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Salt Lake City, Utah



"Group Think in Provo is NOT a myth. I have experienced it time and time again. You are programed to think a certain way, have certain values, view situations the same. It is a huge machine that robotically programs people to think a certain way. I don't care if there are 180 countries represented by BYU, the professors, clubs, fraternaties, and everything about BYU is a huge group think exercise. If you don't believe me, just try putting an Obama/Biden sticker on your car and pull into a BYU parking lot. You will get stares like you just ran over someone's dog.

At Utah you have people raised differently, with different moral compasses, with different opinions."


It's quite obvious that you've bought into a stereotype and don't have a clue what you're talking about. I have some very good friends who are avid BYU fans, yet their families have been die-hard Democrats for several generations.

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ Swoopy

"And BYU is what?"

"Better than U!

2011 - BYU(10-3) Ranked > Utah(8-5) unranked
2012 - BYU(8-5) Bowl Winner > Utah(5-7) no bowl"

Let me get this straight! According to BYU logic:

BYU is better than Utah because they had a better record which includes beating up on cupcakes (which made up half their schedule) and lost to all their tough opponents.

Utah on the other hand had a worse record because they played quality conference opponents which makes up most of their schedule.

Yet, Utah still beats BYU head to head for the third straight year and 8 out of the last 11 years. But that loss doesn't matter to Y'ners because they had a better record than Utah. So in their minds they're better!

Wow! That logic makes no sense!

But this logic does:

Utah was better than BYU because they beat the Cougies last year head to head. So that means we're better than you last year, and the year before, and the year before that!


I'm a Cougs fan, but I remember the single biggest impediment to my serving a church mission was the "mission prep" priesthood-meeting class I had to attend during my freshman year at the Y (which was taught by three Grant Von Harrison disciples, one of whom was the son of a GA). It was so off-putting that it took me six additional months, and a big pep talk from my stake president at home (who assured me I could be myself and still be a good missionary), before I submitted my application.

On a lighter note, I'm reminded of the old joke about the BYU football fan who asked the Utah fan in front of him to sit down, saying, "You're blocking my vision!" To which the Utah fan replied, "Sorry, I didn't know you were having one."

Las Vegas, NV

Welcome home Gaius!!! You picked the right school! Great play with the hats on T.V - hilarious!!

Go Utes!

Love those kitty trolls!!

Las Vegas, NV

Wiscougar fan - words to live by. Thanks for being an objective fan, we need more like you.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

midmajor, swoop(really, was "cosmo" busy?), troy, et al:

Lots and lots more words don't erase 3-in-a-row and 8-of-11 from the scoreboard.

But thanks for playing. Your consolation prize is another late-November, late-night home game against Idaho State to try to get bowl-eligible.

Christy B
Salt Lake City, Utah


"BYU is better than Utah because they had a better record which includes... blah, blah, blah"

No, BYU is better than Utah because BYU beat the 16th ranked WAC champion, BYU beat an ACC division champion (on the road), and BYU beat a MWC co-champion in a bowl game, which FAR exceeds anything Utah did in 2012.

Just as in 5 of the last 8 seasons, BYU finished higher in the rankings than Utah.

In 2012, it wasn't even close!

BYU #26
Utah #61

Sorry to disappoint you, but there aren't any trophies awarded for playing a tougher SOS.

Las Vegas, NV

All the trollers are just still angry that they only have one home game after Halloween, and that's against the Bengals - the Idaho State Bengals!! That's in addition to the horrible 2013 recruiting class!!! Ain't irrelevance grand?

Cottonwood Heights, UT

"No, BYU is better than Utah because . . . [fill in tortured logic here]"


Reading some of these "explanations" from the cougies makes one wonder: If the Y is so much better why they couldn't they beat the Utes on the field the last 3 years, and could only win 3 nail-biters in the last 11 years?

Of course, I realize I'm just inviting more inane explanations [Riley was hurt, Roscoe and Doman are lousy coaches, Heaps had a hangnail, Max ("Kruger Is Still Open") Hall is color-blind, ad nauseum), but they ARE quite entertaining.

River Falls, WI

I want to weigh-in on the whole "group think" criticism of BYU. As a BYU alum I definitely agree that there are many like-minded persons living and teaching in Provo. However, making a sweeping generalization that students are taught to think in the same way and value exactly the same things is ridiculous. BYU is very unique given the spiritual nature of the university and the accompanying culture (praying in class, honor code, mandate to attend a church, etc.). Having taught at a Big 10 school (and in it's institute program) I can understand why someone (like Vaenuku) might want to attend a public university with a strong spiritual component (e.g. institute), but that doesn't make BYU a brain washing machine.



In response to your post, again, we OWN YOU.

You insult our overall record over you, implying that it's old, yet you turn around and give a bunch of meaningless, irrelevant individual stats from 30 years ago as if that validates your position.

2004 and 2008 is current, and 2 undefeated seasons during the BCS era is a great accomplishment. Where has BYU been during this time, besides beating up on lower-tier WAC teams and getting pummeled by the good teams?

You say "The Utes have been in a steady decline since 2008." Haha! During that time Utah has beaten your BYU team 4 out of 5 times. What does that say for BYU?

Come on, surely you can do better than that.

Christine B. Hedgefog
Meridian, ID

Unfortunate that Kyle W. will probably be history at the U before he gets to see the fruits of this recruit. After 3 consecutive years competing with Wazzu for PAC basement squatting rights and 2 years in a row spending December at home watching bowl games I'm betting Ute fans will have had enough and start calling for Boylen's, er I mean Whittingham's head.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT


"All the trollers are just still angry that they only have one home game after Halloween, and that's against the Bengals - the Idaho State Bengals!!"


Is that the best you can come up with?

While BYU fans are home watching games at Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Nevada, Utah fans will be freezing their behinds off in RES watching ASU and Colorado (yeah, that's a season finale to look forward to every season, LOL!)

Meanwhile, BYU fans can look forward to attending games against Texas, Utah, Ga Tech and Boise State in September and October while the weather is still nice.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT


Utah's overall record over BYU was compiled almost entirely during the period when football was little more than a club sport at BYU. 30 of the first 40 games in the series were played at Utah, because BYU didn't even have a football field of their own for many of those years.

It's not just that most of Utah's wins came over half a century ago, it was that Utah had absolutely no accomplishments of any kind on a national scale during their entire history from 1892 to 1962. Utah was nothing more than a mediocre team beating up on even more mediocre teams in conferences that don't even exist today.

It's a proven FACT that Utah has been in steady decline since 2008.

2008 13-0 #2/#4
2009 10-3 #18/#18
2010 10-3 unranked/#23
2011 8-5 unranked
2012 5-7 no bowl

If you're having a hard time grasping the concept of steady decline, have your math teacher graph Utah's record for you - maybe that will help you see what steady decline looks like.

Las Vegas, NV

Little kitty trollers making fun of Utah's recruiting class, when their own is so far beneath ours, is hilarious. It would be like Max Hall making fun of Alex Smith because he only won six games as a starter this year!!

Go Utes!

Go Utes
Salt Lake City, UT

@ BlueCoug 9:59 a.m.

I find your post very amusing. Looks like I struck a tender nerve!

Depsite your personal anecdotes, you have no evidence of what you are saying. I have been to games in Lavel stadium and have certainly been bothered by drinking (BYU) fans. Sure, there may be less, but you said you have never seen. I have. I have seen a hot dog hurled into the U fan section. I have seen a lot. Unlike you, I will not claim that it never happens at LES.

I attended the U for two degrees and not once did I ever hear a professor demean the church. Does that mean it does not happen? I don't know, but unlike you, I am not going to claim that based on my own experience I know what goes on everywhere. All I can say is, my faith grew while at the U.

Lastly, you assume that I think that the honor code at BYU is the "burden" to which I referred. Not at all. The burden I see is primarily the arrogance culture. I lived by all church standards while at the U, by my own choice.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Y was also heavily recruiting Mr. Vaenuku! Luckily for Utah the decision did not rest solely on "football" considerations but the Institute program at the U was a deciding factor!

fred Vaenuku
san mateo, ca

I'm very proud of my nephew. I[m more a BYU fan but now I'm going to go for Utah. More important I'm happy he will be serving a mission and thats more important to me than football even though I love the game. I believe he will be a better player when he return home from his mission. A mission teaches you discipline and values which it will help him. Go Keio!!!

Hank Pym

@ Snack PAC 10:44 a.m. Jan. 29, 2013

In order for that scenario to occur, byu has to beat the U.

Until it happens, your hypothetical is null & void.

Wally West

to atl134 on 1/29

Even more convincing, look at NFL rosters... SF, Baltimore, Carolina, & Miami for starters.

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